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TRIFORCE89 October 9th, 2008 6:57 PM

I think we need all need to watch the Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington episode of the Simpsons XD

sims796 October 9th, 2008 7:00 PM

Actually, Brian's ex put it perfectly. "I think the government does things we don't know about, and truthishly, we should accept that."

A quote of epic win.

Netto Azure October 10th, 2008 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4018607)
And as I said, more than three times, that you need both experience & to be aware. Don't make me repeat it, please.

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So don't repeat it yourself. All you are doing is repeating everything I say, only in a simplier way. I won't go all multi quoting, as i laxz teh knowledge.

We are in a national debt. Been so for a while. I won't go into detail, as I don't have em' all at the time. We do not have the money. Hell, there was just a huge Wall Street backlash, affecting everyone in the US, trader or not. The 7 billion (million?) dollar bail out failed, as we just don't have the funds for it. We do not have the money. I'm not saying politics isn't corrupt, and that everything is peachy keen, but at the same time, things are not a simple as you think. It cannot just be chalked down to just "they're corrupted, and are doing it for teh cash".

You're just proving what I mean. I keep sayin gthis, while taking on your points, but it doesn't get through exactly, and it ends up with you nearly repeating everything. Ironically, the elder members got what I meant perfectly.

Uh...hay, why were we arguing again. Ok your message went through. Don't worry, I know not all polticians are in it for the money. I'm not chalking it down to "Every politician is a bad guy" I know many of them are doing it for the good of the constituents. But they have to work within the structured system so they appear "bad" as such. Why do have to make it appear as if I'm over simplifying everything and that I don't know what I'm talking about. Yes, yes, experience, experience, I know about the budget deficit. Why have we gotten this deficit? The external answer is obvious. Also the bail-out hasn't failed yet, it's still being implemented. Most of the Stock Market crash is due to fear and that people are going away from stocks and stashing their money away.

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 4018619)
I think we need all need to watch the Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington episode of the Simpsons XD

Funny episode, the Stereotype disillusionment to Washington Politics. IF ONLY getting caught was that easy.

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4018627)
Actually, Brian's ex put it perfectly. "I think the government does things we don't know about, and truthishly, we should accept that."

A quote of epic win.

xP This discussion has been constructive. I see parallels between this and the old Obama vs. McCain experience arguments. Yes, "We should accept that" :P So let's put this behind us and talk about the issues.

Well we have gotten off-topic. So the Stock Market is still crashing, everybody is still gittery.

Well any other topic you guys want to bring up, both candidates have devolved into mudslinging for the last month of the campaign.
We have already talked about Off-shore oil drilling, Healthcare, Education, Energy Independence, Immigration, the Economy, the candidates "skeleton's" in the closets.
So bring up topics.

sims796 October 10th, 2008 8:45 AM

We are arguing because this is a debate thread. I don't want camp fire songs & puppy dogs in a debate thread >=[. We...debate. Says it in the title.

We never gotten off topic, this is a legitimate issue that must be discussed.

Yeah, the bail-out, the bailout that is >9000 dollars (in Mexican money, of course) failed, and we are looking ito alternative ways of dealing with the crash. Global leader gete together & such. Now, how would this affect the common people at hand? There is no obvious answer to the cause of the cash. No fat cats involved directly, at least, and no one really gains from this. I'd like to hear the obvious external answer, that goes beyond "corruption".

As I said, this is a legitimate topic, not an off-topic argument. "The inexperience of todays youths may lead to blah blah blah".

Allstories October 10th, 2008 10:41 AM

I've been hearing from people I know (mostly in swing states) about receiving a DVD of this movie in the mail:

http://static.flickr.com/74/205817598_62708d72ab.jpg

Good grief. We sure don't mess around when it comes to propaganda. Apparently, they did something similar last election with United 93. I doubt you'd see something like this anywhere else in the world.

Raff October 10th, 2008 10:56 AM

Heres my answer...

I believe with both Candidates. BUT I also Believe in the war..what if they INVADE us, and then fight in our country destroying our stuff? exactly why it is not available now. YES the terrorist are IN AFGHANISTAN. But we also need people, who support the freedoms. Such as, The Right to Bare Arms..and Freedom of Speech. Those seem, to have seemed to have deteriorated over the years..how can we call AMERICA a FREE COUNTRY when it is so twisted? And yes, we need the right to bare arms..

TRIFORCE89 October 10th, 2008 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Allstories (Post 4020020)
I've been hearing from people I know (mostly in swing states) about receiving a DVD of this movie in the mail:

http://static.flickr.com/74/205817598_62708d72ab.jpg

Good grief. We sure don't mess around when it comes to propaganda. Apparently, they did something similar last election with United 93. I doubt you'd see something like this anywhere else in the world.

Last year's Ontario Provincial election. The Liberals were up for re-election and after slapping Ontario with the largest health tax in Ontario's history after saying he wouldn't raise the tax at all, it looked like a Progressive Conservative win was a sure thing. However, the PC candidate took an unpopular stance on something.

In a nut shell, here in Canada public schools and Catholic schools are publicly funded. Catholic schools are only really funded to keep the French population happy, so the probability Catholic funding being stopped is slim-to-non. So, the UN stepped in and said that we either have to stop Catholic funding or fund other private and specialty schools because it's unfair otherwise. Not-funding Catholic schools is not an option, so that only leaves you with one choice - funding them all...and that' what the PC candidate backed.

Mind you, the bit about the UN never really went through the media like it should have. Instead, the Liberals spread it around as "public funding for religions" and in some cases Liberal members and supporters when going door to door in their riding would ask the potential-voter if they felt comfortable with their tax-dollars supporting Muslim schools specifically. That is low and that is wrong and for some reason that flew. The PCs lost big time and the leader candidate didn't even get elected in his own riding all because of this non-issue. And one of the first things that happened when the Liberals got re-elected? Why publicly funded black specialty schools of course. <_<

Netto Azure October 10th, 2008 3:59 PM

heh...
 
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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4019761)
We are arguing because this is a debate thread. I don't want camp fire songs & puppy dogs in a debate thread >=[. We...debate. Says it in the title.

We never gotten off topic, this is a legitimate issue that must be discussed.

Yeah, the bail-out, the bailout that is >9000 dollars (in Mexican money, of course) failed, and we are looking ito alternative ways of dealing with the crash. Global leader get together & such. Now, how would this affect the common people at hand? There is no obvious answer to the cause of the crash. No fat cats involved directly, at least, and no one really gains from this. I'd like to hear the obvious external answer, that goes beyond "corruption".

As I said, this is a legitimate topic, not an off-topic argument. "The inexperience of todays youths may lead to blah blah blah".

Ok. I agree us youth still neds to learn a lot of things. But since this is a "Representative Democracy" please don't smash our "idealistic" view of the world. :P
Well anyways the Central Banks around the world did get together yesterday to "deal" with this through the usual rate cuts. A lot of reasons contributed to the crash as I said earlier so the blame can be handed around pretty easily.

As for obvious reasons for the budget deficit: The general War on Terror (Defense Expenditure), The general "Bail-out" of the Financial Market (2FM, AIG, Bear Sterns, etc.), [Social Programs (Social Security, Medicaid, Medical) Don't get me wrong I'm for these social programs, just pointing out how expensive they are generally]

Edit: The National Debt clock in New York has run out of space. Just shows you how much "change" the past 8 years has brought us.

sims796 October 10th, 2008 6:42 PM

Bah. War on Terror. Moar leik war on ninjas, amirite? I swear, I saw Ganadorf give Garaa a ride in that picture. And doesn't the one in the right look liek he's developing hand signals?

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Originally Posted by Netto Azure (Post 4018557)
Want to talk about corruption? "Why do we still don't have Universal Healthcare?" when every other "Modern" Western Country does. The problem is were talking about a huge amount of money. But we have the the money (Medicare, Medicaid), so people hold back. What about those pork barrel spending John McCain keeps talking about, what about those last-minute add-ons to Apropriations Bills. Hay...So how are politicians not corrupt? It's part of human nature.


It's getting a bit hard to understand...where you stand. You say one thing, then swap to the opposite, and repeat just what I have on my post. It's confusing.

Well, regardless, I'm glad that this whole crash may blow over if all goes well. Of course, things are never that simple, but they aren't always complicated. Deep...I r an geneous. And this whole "pull out" thing people keep saying, well, it also ain't that easy. While my views are largley democratic, we lose the --how to say this for uderstanding-- "repsect" of the the other nations, and democracy as a whole takes a burn.

Aurafire October 10th, 2008 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Netto Azure (Post 4020924)

Edit: The National Debt clock in New York has run out of space. Just shows you how much "change" the past 8 years has brought us.

Sure the war on terror is going to cost a lot of money. It's a war, for crying out loud. If it's not well funded, the cost will be paid for in American lives. Some might argue that the war wasn't necessary in the first place. I'll disagree with that, but I think we can all agree that the war was mismanaged and could have been dealt with a lot more efficiently than this. This might sound cruel to some, but if you can remember very early in the war, we carried out a very many bombing raids on various terrorist hide outs. Well that's all well and good, but why did we stop? Yes, the risk of collateral damage is much greater, but I'll tell you what: Our selectivity with the areas we bomb has cost us billions of dollars and thousands of American lives. One could argue that a more aggressive approach would have yielded much quicker results...yes the collateral damage would have been much greater and many innocent people would have died. But think about the 6 or so years we have been fighting in the Middle East, and think about the massive cost of this war. With greater time, more people are guaranteed to be killed, both soldiers and civilians. Once again, this will sounds cruel to some, but I would have favored much more aggressive bombing raids and decreased selectivity on the areas that were raided. If there was even a hint of terrorist activity in a certain area, you can bet I would want our military to go in hot and heavy.

Now before everyone jumps down my throat, think about it: More civilian lives lost in the long term. Yes, that is a down side, but think about all the American lives we would have saved. Think about all the money we wouldn't have to spend for years of of combat on the ground. Think about all the civilian lives LONG TERM that would have been saved. We obviously would have had to send in troops, but the job would have been much quicker and easier with less terrorists to root out. We've been in the Middle East for years now, uncovering hide outs and such, and it has cost billions to keep the troops well funded. It just goes to show how deep their networks a woven in. I hate to say it, but the strategy we've been using for the past however many years was not the right one. This war could have been over a year after it started.

I suppose now a days a strategy like mine is considered too violent and indecent for todays moral compass, but I invite everyone to look back at the end of World War II, when we dropped the H bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Something like 100000 innocent Japanese lives were lost! That is a staggering number, and at first glance could be considered too hefty a cost. But think about how many American lives were saved. Instead of an invasion, which would have cost thousands and thousands of troops and an incredible amount of money, we did the cruel thing and killed the innocent. But guess what? We won the war.

Meh....that's just what I think. Feel free to comment, and don't hate me too much =P.

Anti October 10th, 2008 7:29 PM

Sarah Palin is enough of a reason not to vote for any candidate, let alone McCain.

I know this thread is for issues, but I feel Palin IS an issue. She believes that humans coexisted with dinosaurs and that the earth is 6000 years old (if I remember that right). She wants creationism to be taught in public schools. I'm sorry, what? That's a total religious bias, something that I'm pretty sure is supposed to be a big no-no for our government. I'm Christian myself, but seriously, creationism education is the biggest joke. I'm cool with fundamentalist Christians believing what they want - we all have a right to have such opinions and beliefs. Forcing such views onto children going to public schools is incredibly narrow-minded and stupid.

She can't even go away from her talking points without self-destructing, as the interviews with Couric and other anchors showed us. Her foreign policy "experience" is actually humorous. I think it's pretty hard to argue that seeing Russia from your house is foreign policy experience. Bush could see Mexico from his house and look how respected we are around the world now. Palin also essentially lied about the selling the plane on Ebay story and a lot of what she said in that RNC speech.

She clearly lacks experience, something that McCain has SLAMMED Obama for the entire campaign. I personally don't think experience means a thing (just look at Lincoln and Washington), but if you're going to bash the opponent for lacking experience, don't pick someone with even less experience (and the little experience Palin has already has her linked to scandal). It's funny what you can learn from watching a little John Stewart, and that isn't even serious reporting, or reporting at all.

Also, I know the VP is supposed to be like "alpha attack dog 1.1 beta" or whatever, but I think the campaign just might be taking the mudslinging a little too far. First of all, both campaigns need to cut the crap and post negative advertising that's actually TRUE, especially McCain. But when I say taking it too far, I'm talking about the "Obama is a terrorist" and "kill him!" cries at the rallies that have gone ignored by the campaign. That needs to be STOPPED. Period. Also, one of Palin's more recent rally appearances couldn't help but rub off on me as though she was implying Obama is a terrorist or works with them? you can say "well she wasn't saying that," but "Obama pals around with terrorists" is enough for me. John McCain is a better man than that. He should be above all of this, and so should Obama.

That's just my opinion on the election. I just don't expect McCain to make it to age 76, and I fear a Palin presidency more than about anything. Palin being president would be worse than a third term for Bush, which is why I wouldn't vote for McCain. If Romney was McCain's VP pick, I really wouldn't press for Obama as much as I do now.

So now that my "Palin is an incompetent, narrow-minded disaster" rant is finished, I can move on to the other issues.

Economy: Don't trust either candidate to fix things. I'd probably go with Obama just because McCain seems even more clueless than Obama on the matter, though they're both pretty poor in my opinion.

Global Warming: One of the most important issues to me, I don't think either candidate has seriously addressed the topic. I actually think they both have decent plans for it though, at least better than what Bush is doing for the environment, or more like what Bush has done to the environment.

Health Care: I don't know enough about this to comment, so I won't act like I do. It isn't really of importance to me for now but I'm sure it will be, haha.

War in Iraq: I don't know what to think. I just want the least amount of troops to die as possible without giving up too much (though I'm not sure what exactly that is).

Offshore Drilling: Totally useless. It only damages surrounding habitats and wildlife and doesn't really address the energy problems we have, it just band-aids them (and the band-aid won't even come for awhile). Sorry, I just find the whole "drill baby drill" thing a political device that neither candidate seriously believes will help.

There are other issues, but I'm really not in the position to comment on them. In case you haven't figured it out, I support Obama and am the least Conservative person you'll find. That last point kind of adds fuel to my anti-Palin fire, so to speak. :P

That being said, I'm not really a huge fan of Obama. I like him, but he's not amazing or anything. I generally don't like McCain but I don't hate him or anything. Then there's Palin...my least favorite presidential candidate ever, and she beat out Andrew Jackson. If you know my views on Jackson's presidency, you know that's saying a lot.

Eh, I'm not really optimistic either way. As long as we avoid a Palin presidency, I'd consider this year's election a success (sad how low Bush has raised the bar for a successful election lol). so yeah, Palin is the deciding factor for me. I really hope people look into her and see just how bad things could turn out...

Just my view on things. I kind of wish Hillary was still around.

TRIFORCE89 October 10th, 2008 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 4021608)
Also, I know the VP is supposed to be like "alpha attack dog 1.1 beta" or whatever, but I think the campaign just might be taking the mudslinging a little too far. First of all, both campaigns need to cut the crap and post negative advertising that's actually TRUE, especially McCain. But when I say taking it too far, I'm talking about the "Obama is a terrorist" and "kill him!" cries at the rallies that have gone ignored by the campaign. That needs to be STOPPED. Period. Also, one of Palin's more recent rally appearances couldn't help but rub off on me as though she was implying Obama is a terrorist or works with them? you can say "well she wasn't saying that," but "Obama pals around with terrorists" is enough for me. John McCain is a better man than that. He should be above all of this, and so should Obama.

John McCain is a better man than that. Today, at one of McCain's rallies, a couple of people were saying completely false and terrible things about Obama. Things like "We're afraid of him", "You NEED to beat him", "He's an Arab", etc.

McCain did not agree or encourage any of that. In fact, he immediately corrected them. McCain told them he never said that, that he doesn't encourage that, that he knows Obama, that Obama is a wonerful family man, and that put simply what they believe is totally false.

McCain and Obama don't hate each other. They're probably friends or at least chummy. But, we're late into the campaign now and that's when things get dirty. But, when things do get way out of hand they do stand up for each other.

Aurafire October 10th, 2008 8:53 PM

Everyone missed my post X(

But Triforce brings up an excellent point. Just because some McCain supporters hold false accusations of Obama's past doesn't mean he himself believes them.

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Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 4021608)

Offshore Drilling: Totally useless. It only damages surrounding habitats and wildlife and doesn't really address the energy problems we have, it just band-aids them (and the band-aid won't even come for awhile). Sorry, I just find the whole "drill baby drill" thing a political device that neither candidate seriously believes will help.

I was almost going to you post slide, but I just have to comment on the off shore drilling thing. The benefits clearly outweigh the losses, as we have new ways of drilling that have less of an impact on the environment. We'd be drilling in such an incredibly minute part of the ocean, the impacts on the environment would barely even be noticeable. Of course drilling doesn't address the whole problem (Hello, we're running out of oil), but there is little reason why the environmental risks out-weigh the gains, and there is certainly no reason as to why it wouldn't be beneficial economically. It's part of the solution for energy independence, not the whole solution. In case you haven't noticed, our economy needs oil like we need oxygen: Without it, the entire country would collapse.

And don't argue full-on alternative energy, because there's no way we have the technology to do that (If we did, we wouldn't be arguing this right now).

Anti October 11th, 2008 1:09 PM

Gah, didn't mean to imply that McCain supports the awful things the supporters say lol. Yes, I can't agree more there. I wasn't aware McCain stopped them, but I know Palin didn't.

About offshore drilling, it might be because I'm a global warming junkie but I really don't like the idea of drilling when it doesn't even produce oil for a few years (I don't remember the exact number). I don't see the benefit of only increasing environmental problems when only temporarily prolonging the time we still have oil. For energy independence, I totally agree that we need a plan. I just don't think drilling is going to help a whole lot. I understand it's only a part of the plan, I just don't think it's necessary.

If and when the economy rebounds, I really hope energy independence and the environment become more prominant issues since they are very important.

I live in the swing state of Ohio so every college football game or CBS Tuesday night we get a whole load of those negative ads. That's probably why I'm so annoyed by them ;)

Netto Azure October 11th, 2008 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Allstories (Post 4020020)
I've been hearing from people I know (mostly in swing states) about receiving a DVD of this movie in the mail:

http://static.flickr.com/74/205817598_62708d72ab.jpg

Good grief. We sure don't mess around when it comes to propaganda. Apparently, they did something similar last election with United 93. I doubt you'd see something like this anywhere else in the world.

Well the election is in the next 3 weeks, so negative ads bloom like mushrooms. Propaganda?, I could see the fear mongering. Yes, the terrorists are out there but we already have invested so much in the War on Terror already, what about the other issues?

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4021437)
Bah. War on Terror. Moar leik war on ninjas, amirite? I swear, I saw Ganadorf give Garaa a ride in that picture. And doesn't the one in the right look liek he's developing hand signals?

It's getting a bit hard to understand...where you stand. You say one thing, then swap to the opposite, and repeat just what I have on my post. It's confusing.

Well, regardless, I'm glad that this whole crash may blow over if all goes well. Of course, things are never that simple, but they aren't always complicated. Deep...I r an geneous. And this whole "pull out" thing people keep saying, well, it also ain't that easy. While my views are largley democratic, we lose the --how to say this for uderstanding-- "repsect" of the the other nations, and democracy as a whole takes a burn.

Oh, I so sorry, I know that my position has started to look contradicting on my past posts. I'll try to clear it up since my positions on things have changed over the past month:

Off-Shore Oil Drilling: Yes, but it should only be a stop-gap measure until we develop new technologies. And it should only be a part of the larger plan.
War on Terror: I still am not sure. But focus must be moved to Afganistan since Pakistan is starting to become the Front-lines.
Healthcare: FULL TRUE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FOR ALL! SIMILAR TO OTHER WESTERN NATIONS!
Education: I'm not an expert but I agree that NCLB MUST be improved. A lot of people here are under NCLB.
Energy Independence: No-brainer, Fossil-fuels are finite, New technologies are needed. Emphasis on Hydrogen and Cheap Solar technologies.
Immigration: Touchy subject since I am one myself. Legal Immigration I fully support. Undocumented Immigration, Congress must pass comprehensive reform to streamline the process. (Wow. The McCain-Kennedy Bill of 2006 almost got us started...But eh...)
The Economy: I support the development of a mixed economy . When all hell broke lose this past month it just proves that pure laizze-fair policy is big No-no. Responsible Restrictions must be put in place that is appropriate for the 21st Century. The answer is not Socialism, Fascism, Mercantilism nor pure Laizze-fair. The free-market works, but oversight and restrictions must be in place.
The Candidates "Skeletons": It really depends on what things pop up from the past.
Foreign Policy: Diplomacy is a must, Military action should only be taken as a last resort.

We should start rebuilding our image to the World. But in this heavily multi-polar and interdependent world we should also listen to other nations and cooperate with them especially our allies.

Edit: I fully support Barack Obama and the Democratic Party of the United States.

LilLoveGirl October 12th, 2008 12:42 AM

It's almost time so I really think Obama will win!

sims796 October 12th, 2008 11:57 AM

I vote for the third party canadite, Cobra Commander. I really think that his brand of evil beliefs may really turn this country in the right direction.

This really gets on my nerves, and it's the "skeletons" withi each canadite. oestly, who gives a frick. If Bill wants to cheat on his wife, they have no right to disbarr him (that isn't the word I am looking for, could somebody help?) from office, as he has not usurped his position. The same goes with any other canadite. I don't give a shark what the frick Palin reads on her frickin' spare time, I really don't.

Netto Azure October 12th, 2008 12:54 PM

Replies...*Call the Wahhhmmmbulance* Wahhh!!!
 
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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4028045)
I vote for the third party canadite, Cobra Commander. I really think that his brand of evil beliefs may really turn this country in the right direction.

This really gets on my nerves, and it's the "skeletons" withi each canadite. oestly, who gives a frick. If Bill wants to cheat on his wife, they have no right to disbarr him (that isn't the word I am looking for, could somebody help?) from office, as he has not usurped his position. The same goes with any other canadite. I don't give a shark what the frick Palin reads on her frickin' spare time, I really don't.

LOL! How are we supposed to vote for Cobra Commander if he's hiding in his little ship of death underwater. We haven't even seen him campaign and the election is within 3 weeks. How are we supposed to support him if we don't know what his positions on the issues are? Anyways with the economy as it is, How could we still fund G.I. Joe to hunt the Cobras down and bring them out to campaign? They use some pretty expexsive equipment you know... :P (j/k)

Also my position on Climate Change: It's real and it must be fought responsibly with an emphasis on clean green technologies. :D

You mean "Impeach" Prez. Clinton (Part of Congress' power in the balancing act of the US Constitution) Ay...Don't remind me of the Clinton Administration...We could have done so many of our major issues today on that administration, so many missed opportunities. First, Hillary Clinton's drive for Universal Healthcare, Second, The Passage of the Kyoto Treaty which would have also started us on the path to Energy independence and fight Climate Change! Why did the Republicans have to shoot those down?
Why?!!! Argh!!! It's like a bunch of students procrastinating on their homework until the last minute!
Look at where we are now, playing catch-up on Energy Independence and the fight against Climate Change. 50+ Million Americans without Health insurance (Now even increasing with the economic meltdown.) Seriously even John McCain now wants everyone to have the money to buy health-insurance! TT^TT *sob*
I just want to bang my head against the wall until I start hallucinating about a Parallel Universe where we have Universal Healthcare and started fighting Climate Change much earlier....:(

Eh...As I said earlier, It depends on what pops up from their past....:\

sims796 October 12th, 2008 12:58 PM

Well, it is my understadning that Obama was friends with the terrorist who started 9/11, or something like that. That instantly maekz him a terroists, and that instantly maekz not fit to run this country.

Also, Mclain littered on 43 St two days ago, so he obviously doesn't care about our enviormental issues.


Yeah,, propaganda has been reduced to catty BS like that within the past few years, and the entire campain was a joke.

CHG-Swampert October 12th, 2008 12:59 PM

lol i sorry i'm freakin stupid. I just moved to America a while ago and haven't listened to a word they've said :P. However after looking at how it's going, i say Obama/Biden will win =/ Also, my parents (who miraculously know everything about it WTF?) are going for Obama but cannot vote since we are no fully citizens (FAIL). meh Americans are mean lol

(and for those who are wondering: I am NOT changing my location... i miss my home...)

Netto Azure October 13th, 2008 12:51 PM

Oh my...
 
And I thought the US $850 Billion bail-out was big. Look at the European Union's combined bailout amounts: about $1 Trillion+

BBC: Europe acts to strengthen banks...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7667342.stm

Also, finally Obama puts forth some kind of economic plan in writing...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7667772.stm

Red1530 October 13th, 2008 6:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4028355)
Well, it is my understadning that Obama was friends with the terrorist who started 9/11, or something like that.

You are wrong. The terrorist is Bill Ayers, a domestic terrorist that founded the terrorist group, Weather Underground. One of their targets was the Pentagon, so that is were the 9/11 mix up is coming from.

In Ohio ACORN is currently under investigation for voter registration fraud. Senator Obama recently had to change a FEC to show that he payed an ACORN subsidiary for a get out the vote operation.

Today's Washington Times printed a story showing a connection between Senator Obama and Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Mr. Odinga has connection to radical Muslims and participated in a 1982 coup attempt.

Netto Azure October 14th, 2008 9:35 AM

Please....
 
Watch the PBS Frontline Special Tonight!: The Choice 2008
An Independent Documentary on the 2 Prez. candidates.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/

Check your local listings.

Just to emphasize, Google the truth behind the smears YOURSELF:
http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/10/14/tomo/story.jpg

It really would be a long 3 weeks...Lucky, Canadians...(Another Minority Government?) You guys only had to endure a month of campaigning, and actually know who the party leaders are...3 Major Parties and 2 Minor Parties....D=

Red1530 October 15th, 2008 12:10 PM

Tonight is the third and last Presidential debate and it is about domestic policy. I hope that it is more lively then the second debate and the moderator ask other domestic policy questions besides the economy and health care like immigration and gun control.

Allstories October 15th, 2008 7:04 PM

This election in a nutshell:

http://dylanimages2.googlepages.com/mccainblergh.jpg


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