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I think we need all need to watch the Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington episode of the Simpsons XD
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Actually, Brian's ex put it perfectly. "I think the government does things we don't know about, and truthishly, we should accept that."
A quote of epic win. |
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Well we have gotten off-topic. So the Stock Market is still crashing, everybody is still gittery. Well any other topic you guys want to bring up, both candidates have devolved into mudslinging for the last month of the campaign. We have already talked about Off-shore oil drilling, Healthcare, Education, Energy Independence, Immigration, the Economy, the candidates "skeleton's" in the closets. So bring up topics. |
We are arguing because this is a debate thread. I don't want camp fire songs & puppy dogs in a debate thread >=[. We...debate. Says it in the title.
We never gotten off topic, this is a legitimate issue that must be discussed. Yeah, the bail-out, the bailout that is >9000 dollars (in Mexican money, of course) failed, and we are looking ito alternative ways of dealing with the crash. Global leader gete together & such. Now, how would this affect the common people at hand? There is no obvious answer to the cause of the cash. No fat cats involved directly, at least, and no one really gains from this. I'd like to hear the obvious external answer, that goes beyond "corruption". As I said, this is a legitimate topic, not an off-topic argument. "The inexperience of todays youths may lead to blah blah blah". |
I've been hearing from people I know (mostly in swing states) about receiving a DVD of this movie in the mail:
http://static.flickr.com/74/205817598_62708d72ab.jpg Good grief. We sure don't mess around when it comes to propaganda. Apparently, they did something similar last election with United 93. I doubt you'd see something like this anywhere else in the world. |
Heres my answer...
I believe with both Candidates. BUT I also Believe in the war..what if they INVADE us, and then fight in our country destroying our stuff? exactly why it is not available now. YES the terrorist are IN AFGHANISTAN. But we also need people, who support the freedoms. Such as, The Right to Bare Arms..and Freedom of Speech. Those seem, to have seemed to have deteriorated over the years..how can we call AMERICA a FREE COUNTRY when it is so twisted? And yes, we need the right to bare arms.. |
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In a nut shell, here in Canada public schools and Catholic schools are publicly funded. Catholic schools are only really funded to keep the French population happy, so the probability Catholic funding being stopped is slim-to-non. So, the UN stepped in and said that we either have to stop Catholic funding or fund other private and specialty schools because it's unfair otherwise. Not-funding Catholic schools is not an option, so that only leaves you with one choice - funding them all...and that' what the PC candidate backed. Mind you, the bit about the UN never really went through the media like it should have. Instead, the Liberals spread it around as "public funding for religions" and in some cases Liberal members and supporters when going door to door in their riding would ask the potential-voter if they felt comfortable with their tax-dollars supporting Muslim schools specifically. That is low and that is wrong and for some reason that flew. The PCs lost big time and the leader candidate didn't even get elected in his own riding all because of this non-issue. And one of the first things that happened when the Liberals got re-elected? Why publicly funded black specialty schools of course. <_< |
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Well anyways the Central Banks around the world did get together yesterday to "deal" with this through the usual rate cuts. A lot of reasons contributed to the crash as I said earlier so the blame can be handed around pretty easily. As for obvious reasons for the budget deficit: The general War on Terror (Defense Expenditure), The general "Bail-out" of the Financial Market (2FM, AIG, Bear Sterns, etc.), [Social Programs (Social Security, Medicaid, Medical) Don't get me wrong I'm for these social programs, just pointing out how expensive they are generally] Edit: The National Debt clock in New York has run out of space. Just shows you how much "change" the past 8 years has brought us. |
Bah. War on Terror. Moar leik war on ninjas, amirite? I swear, I saw Ganadorf give Garaa a ride in that picture. And doesn't the one in the right look liek he's developing hand signals?
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It's getting a bit hard to understand...where you stand. You say one thing, then swap to the opposite, and repeat just what I have on my post. It's confusing. Well, regardless, I'm glad that this whole crash may blow over if all goes well. Of course, things are never that simple, but they aren't always complicated. Deep...I r an geneous. And this whole "pull out" thing people keep saying, well, it also ain't that easy. While my views are largley democratic, we lose the --how to say this for uderstanding-- "repsect" of the the other nations, and democracy as a whole takes a burn. |
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Now before everyone jumps down my throat, think about it: More civilian lives lost in the long term. Yes, that is a down side, but think about all the American lives we would have saved. Think about all the money we wouldn't have to spend for years of of combat on the ground. Think about all the civilian lives LONG TERM that would have been saved. We obviously would have had to send in troops, but the job would have been much quicker and easier with less terrorists to root out. We've been in the Middle East for years now, uncovering hide outs and such, and it has cost billions to keep the troops well funded. It just goes to show how deep their networks a woven in. I hate to say it, but the strategy we've been using for the past however many years was not the right one. This war could have been over a year after it started. I suppose now a days a strategy like mine is considered too violent and indecent for todays moral compass, but I invite everyone to look back at the end of World War II, when we dropped the H bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Something like 100000 innocent Japanese lives were lost! That is a staggering number, and at first glance could be considered too hefty a cost. But think about how many American lives were saved. Instead of an invasion, which would have cost thousands and thousands of troops and an incredible amount of money, we did the cruel thing and killed the innocent. But guess what? We won the war. Meh....that's just what I think. Feel free to comment, and don't hate me too much =P. |
Sarah Palin is enough of a reason not to vote for any candidate, let alone McCain.
I know this thread is for issues, but I feel Palin IS an issue. She believes that humans coexisted with dinosaurs and that the earth is 6000 years old (if I remember that right). She wants creationism to be taught in public schools. I'm sorry, what? That's a total religious bias, something that I'm pretty sure is supposed to be a big no-no for our government. I'm Christian myself, but seriously, creationism education is the biggest joke. I'm cool with fundamentalist Christians believing what they want - we all have a right to have such opinions and beliefs. Forcing such views onto children going to public schools is incredibly narrow-minded and stupid. She can't even go away from her talking points without self-destructing, as the interviews with Couric and other anchors showed us. Her foreign policy "experience" is actually humorous. I think it's pretty hard to argue that seeing Russia from your house is foreign policy experience. Bush could see Mexico from his house and look how respected we are around the world now. Palin also essentially lied about the selling the plane on Ebay story and a lot of what she said in that RNC speech. She clearly lacks experience, something that McCain has SLAMMED Obama for the entire campaign. I personally don't think experience means a thing (just look at Lincoln and Washington), but if you're going to bash the opponent for lacking experience, don't pick someone with even less experience (and the little experience Palin has already has her linked to scandal). It's funny what you can learn from watching a little John Stewart, and that isn't even serious reporting, or reporting at all. Also, I know the VP is supposed to be like "alpha attack dog 1.1 beta" or whatever, but I think the campaign just might be taking the mudslinging a little too far. First of all, both campaigns need to cut the crap and post negative advertising that's actually TRUE, especially McCain. But when I say taking it too far, I'm talking about the "Obama is a terrorist" and "kill him!" cries at the rallies that have gone ignored by the campaign. That needs to be STOPPED. Period. Also, one of Palin's more recent rally appearances couldn't help but rub off on me as though she was implying Obama is a terrorist or works with them? you can say "well she wasn't saying that," but "Obama pals around with terrorists" is enough for me. John McCain is a better man than that. He should be above all of this, and so should Obama. That's just my opinion on the election. I just don't expect McCain to make it to age 76, and I fear a Palin presidency more than about anything. Palin being president would be worse than a third term for Bush, which is why I wouldn't vote for McCain. If Romney was McCain's VP pick, I really wouldn't press for Obama as much as I do now. So now that my "Palin is an incompetent, narrow-minded disaster" rant is finished, I can move on to the other issues. Economy: Don't trust either candidate to fix things. I'd probably go with Obama just because McCain seems even more clueless than Obama on the matter, though they're both pretty poor in my opinion. Global Warming: One of the most important issues to me, I don't think either candidate has seriously addressed the topic. I actually think they both have decent plans for it though, at least better than what Bush is doing for the environment, or more like what Bush has done to the environment. Health Care: I don't know enough about this to comment, so I won't act like I do. It isn't really of importance to me for now but I'm sure it will be, haha. War in Iraq: I don't know what to think. I just want the least amount of troops to die as possible without giving up too much (though I'm not sure what exactly that is). Offshore Drilling: Totally useless. It only damages surrounding habitats and wildlife and doesn't really address the energy problems we have, it just band-aids them (and the band-aid won't even come for awhile). Sorry, I just find the whole "drill baby drill" thing a political device that neither candidate seriously believes will help. There are other issues, but I'm really not in the position to comment on them. In case you haven't figured it out, I support Obama and am the least Conservative person you'll find. That last point kind of adds fuel to my anti-Palin fire, so to speak. :P That being said, I'm not really a huge fan of Obama. I like him, but he's not amazing or anything. I generally don't like McCain but I don't hate him or anything. Then there's Palin...my least favorite presidential candidate ever, and she beat out Andrew Jackson. If you know my views on Jackson's presidency, you know that's saying a lot. Eh, I'm not really optimistic either way. As long as we avoid a Palin presidency, I'd consider this year's election a success (sad how low Bush has raised the bar for a successful election lol). so yeah, Palin is the deciding factor for me. I really hope people look into her and see just how bad things could turn out... Just my view on things. I kind of wish Hillary was still around. |
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McCain did not agree or encourage any of that. In fact, he immediately corrected them. McCain told them he never said that, that he doesn't encourage that, that he knows Obama, that Obama is a wonerful family man, and that put simply what they believe is totally false. McCain and Obama don't hate each other. They're probably friends or at least chummy. But, we're late into the campaign now and that's when things get dirty. But, when things do get way out of hand they do stand up for each other. |
Everyone missed my post X(
But Triforce brings up an excellent point. Just because some McCain supporters hold false accusations of Obama's past doesn't mean he himself believes them. Quote:
And don't argue full-on alternative energy, because there's no way we have the technology to do that (If we did, we wouldn't be arguing this right now). |
Gah, didn't mean to imply that McCain supports the awful things the supporters say lol. Yes, I can't agree more there. I wasn't aware McCain stopped them, but I know Palin didn't.
About offshore drilling, it might be because I'm a global warming junkie but I really don't like the idea of drilling when it doesn't even produce oil for a few years (I don't remember the exact number). I don't see the benefit of only increasing environmental problems when only temporarily prolonging the time we still have oil. For energy independence, I totally agree that we need a plan. I just don't think drilling is going to help a whole lot. I understand it's only a part of the plan, I just don't think it's necessary. If and when the economy rebounds, I really hope energy independence and the environment become more prominant issues since they are very important. I live in the swing state of Ohio so every college football game or CBS Tuesday night we get a whole load of those negative ads. That's probably why I'm so annoyed by them ;) |
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Off-Shore Oil Drilling: Yes, but it should only be a stop-gap measure until we develop new technologies. And it should only be a part of the larger plan. War on Terror: I still am not sure. But focus must be moved to Afganistan since Pakistan is starting to become the Front-lines. Healthcare: FULL TRUE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FOR ALL! SIMILAR TO OTHER WESTERN NATIONS! Education: I'm not an expert but I agree that NCLB MUST be improved. A lot of people here are under NCLB. Energy Independence: No-brainer, Fossil-fuels are finite, New technologies are needed. Emphasis on Hydrogen and Cheap Solar technologies. Immigration: Touchy subject since I am one myself. Legal Immigration I fully support. Undocumented Immigration, Congress must pass comprehensive reform to streamline the process. (Wow. The McCain-Kennedy Bill of 2006 almost got us started...But eh...) The Economy: I support the development of a mixed economy . When all hell broke lose this past month it just proves that pure laizze-fair policy is big No-no. Responsible Restrictions must be put in place that is appropriate for the 21st Century. The answer is not Socialism, Fascism, Mercantilism nor pure Laizze-fair. The free-market works, but oversight and restrictions must be in place. The Candidates "Skeletons": It really depends on what things pop up from the past. Foreign Policy: Diplomacy is a must, Military action should only be taken as a last resort. We should start rebuilding our image to the World. But in this heavily multi-polar and interdependent world we should also listen to other nations and cooperate with them especially our allies. Edit: I fully support Barack Obama and the Democratic Party of the United States. |
It's almost time so I really think Obama will win!
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I vote for the third party canadite, Cobra Commander. I really think that his brand of evil beliefs may really turn this country in the right direction.
This really gets on my nerves, and it's the "skeletons" withi each canadite. oestly, who gives a frick. If Bill wants to cheat on his wife, they have no right to disbarr him (that isn't the word I am looking for, could somebody help?) from office, as he has not usurped his position. The same goes with any other canadite. I don't give a shark what the frick Palin reads on her frickin' spare time, I really don't. |
Replies...*Call the Wahhhmmmbulance* Wahhh!!!
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Also my position on Climate Change: It's real and it must be fought responsibly with an emphasis on clean green technologies. :D You mean "Impeach" Prez. Clinton (Part of Congress' power in the balancing act of the US Constitution) Ay...Don't remind me of the Clinton Administration...We could have done so many of our major issues today on that administration, so many missed opportunities. First, Hillary Clinton's drive for Universal Healthcare, Second, The Passage of the Kyoto Treaty which would have also started us on the path to Energy independence and fight Climate Change! Why did the Republicans have to shoot those down? Why?!!! Argh!!! It's like a bunch of students procrastinating on their homework until the last minute! Look at where we are now, playing catch-up on Energy Independence and the fight against Climate Change. 50+ Million Americans without Health insurance (Now even increasing with the economic meltdown.) Seriously even John McCain now wants everyone to have the money to buy health-insurance! TT^TT *sob* I just want to bang my head against the wall until I start hallucinating about a Parallel Universe where we have Universal Healthcare and started fighting Climate Change much earlier....:( Eh...As I said earlier, It depends on what pops up from their past....:\ |
Well, it is my understadning that Obama was friends with the terrorist who started 9/11, or something like that. That instantly maekz him a terroists, and that instantly maekz not fit to run this country.
Also, Mclain littered on 43 St two days ago, so he obviously doesn't care about our enviormental issues. Yeah,, propaganda has been reduced to catty BS like that within the past few years, and the entire campain was a joke. |
lol i sorry i'm freakin stupid. I just moved to America a while ago and haven't listened to a word they've said :P. However after looking at how it's going, i say Obama/Biden will win =/ Also, my parents (who miraculously know everything about it WTF?) are going for Obama but cannot vote since we are no fully citizens (FAIL). meh Americans are mean lol
(and for those who are wondering: I am NOT changing my location... i miss my home...) |
Oh my...
And I thought the US $850 Billion bail-out was big. Look at the European Union's combined bailout amounts: about $1 Trillion+
BBC: Europe acts to strengthen banks... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7667342.stm Also, finally Obama puts forth some kind of economic plan in writing... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7667772.stm |
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In Ohio ACORN is currently under investigation for voter registration fraud. Senator Obama recently had to change a FEC to show that he payed an ACORN subsidiary for a get out the vote operation. Today's Washington Times printed a story showing a connection between Senator Obama and Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Mr. Odinga has connection to radical Muslims and participated in a 1982 coup attempt. |
Please....
Watch the PBS Frontline Special Tonight!: The Choice 2008
An Independent Documentary on the 2 Prez. candidates. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/ Check your local listings. Just to emphasize, Google the truth behind the smears YOURSELF: http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/10/14/tomo/story.jpg It really would be a long 3 weeks...Lucky, Canadians...(Another Minority Government?) You guys only had to endure a month of campaigning, and actually know who the party leaders are...3 Major Parties and 2 Minor Parties....D= |
Tonight is the third and last Presidential debate and it is about domestic policy. I hope that it is more lively then the second debate and the moderator ask other domestic policy questions besides the economy and health care like immigration and gun control.
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