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I really think that, if she really respected and cared about her daughter's choice, she'd rethink her stance on the issue altogether. WHY is it okay for her daughter to have a choice when she advocates that no one should have a choice. I find it disgusting that she can have this viewpoint when "to abort or not to abort" was obviously a heated issue in her own household. Her daughter had a choice. She may have chosen to keep the baby, yes, but her daughter had the CHOICE. To take that choice from millions, especially in circumstances that they cannot control? That's disgusting. I don't care if she's not the personal mother of all those women--as a mother to someone who had to have struggled with the choice (and her daughter had consentual sex, which to me makes a big difference), she should realize how important it is that everyone should have the right to choose. Quote:
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And, about "murder being fair", just look at the people who are waiting for the electric chair. My bad, killing a bunch of cells that aren't even a being by themselves is a crime, killing a full living person isn't in some cases. Quote:
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I'm on my iPod right now, but I'll be sure to get back to all of you. 3 vs. 1 Is totally fair btw =p
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I have to agree with them...you've seen how vehemently I was for Universal Healthcare. Also if we can make things better for our fellow citizens, why shouldn't we. I mean we have more than $800 Billion for Wall St. in corporate welfare why can't we give some of that to the poor...(Yeah I know you'll say "throwing money") =D but eh I don't have time to elaborate yet...Also I'm probably going to rant and babble later on about my Mom voting Republican due to single-issue topics (Abortion & Gay-marrage) >:-( |
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@TheBold: OMFG! Christians are allowed their beliefs and think that me marrying another man is wrong, but how the hell does me getting married affect them? It's not like I'm forcing them to be gay! You're trying to set up a government based around Christian beliefs! You deserve to live your life however you want and follow whatever religion you want, just as I deserve all those same liberties! I'm tired of feeling like a second class citizen! I can't marry, I can't adopt (cuz you know all we queer-o-sexuals do is molest children right?), and I can't even join the army. It is still socially and politically accepted to discriminate against gay people. Quote:
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Allstories: I'll have to apologize for my "obtuseness" that you think I exhibit. There's you go with the name calling again. Paranoid cretin....haven't heard that one before. Forgive me if I'm coming off in a displeasing way. I'm just trying to express my opinions, not about you personally, but liberals in general. And while you continue to argue your points in a way that is characteristic of a liberal, I am forced to call you call you out on it. I'm so tired of arguing this, So you know what? STATEMENT RETRACTED. Liberals are unbiased, patriotic and don't think that the U.S. is a horrible place! HAPPY???
You've made me to goddamn angry about liberals and how they think, I really just could not help myself. The way you think, the way you argue your points....It just bothers me, ok? Feel free to bite right back with how you hate conservatives and such, at least I won't call you anything. I respect your opinion, but you obviously don't respect mine. Fox News is not conservatively biased, and I invite you to prove me wrong. Don't mistake bias for giving both sides of the argument. I am not religious, I'm agnostic. However, I believe that life is sacred and should be protected. That cluster of cells is a human life, sorry you don't see it that way, but I do. And thusly believe that the destruction of those cells is murder. And before you go jumping down my throat, in extreme cases of rape and when there is a danger to the mother's life, I think abortion is acceptable. Lightning: I'm not as conservative as you might think on this issue. Sorry for not pointing this out before, but I am in favor of optional universal healthcare, and those who want/are in need of it should definitely have this option open to them, as long as it doesn't cost any more taxpayer money. I don't know how in the world we would fund it, but if it works, wonderful. The top 1% of the populations pays something like 35% of the U.S. tax burden, and I think that's high enough. I already explained my position about abortion above: In extreme cases, yes abortion is acceptable, but I still don't like it, and that's my personal opinion on the issue. I agree with you on the rape thing as well, it's ridiculous. I am totally against that law. And thank you for being civil, Lightning. You expressed your views in a very calm way (Unlike some people I know...) Went: Sorry about that, I forgot that you live in spain. And yes, some of our current policies have been causing problems and need changing, I agree. We just disagree on which issues and how to correctly deal with them. I also agree with your definition of a patriot, I just happen to disagree on the way people choose to express themselves as such for reasons that should already be clear. I CERTAINLY agree with you on getting both sides of the argument and making your own decisions, but the point is most people in our county do not in fact get both sides of the argument, thus altering theit own decision-making abilities. And again, I invite you to prove to me that Fox News in conservatively biased. Our death penalty system is an absolute joke. You might be convicted of a crime and sentenced to death and wait upwards of 15-20 years before you've exhausted all your appeals. That's not a death penalty. The system is broken, but yes, I'm a supporter of the death penalty. I just think the way we go about enforcing it is horrible. Thanks for the link. Yup, McCain came off as a blubbering idiot. The man isn't perfect, and I never said he was. The U.S. doesn't have anything against Spain, and I'm pretty sure we maintain a policy of friendship with them...McCain could have just came out and said that. -_- Ugh...please let's not get into the banking crisis. (Yes it's a crisis)...I'm not fully versed on this issue as well. Also Went, thank you also for being civil and expressing your points clearly. (Unlike some people I know) Tommy: 4 vs. 1? No problem =P Hopefully I've made my views on healthcare clear. Honestly, when it's 4 minds against one, you all make me sound like an idiot. I guess that's just what I get for being an 18 year old conservative....I'm already vastly out numbered. The vast majority of young people are liberal, and sometimes I find myself thinking that the words that come out of my mouth don't even make sense because of everything I hear from my peers. Just know that there are plenty of other people out there that think like me and will back me up. Unfortunately, PC seems to be out of those people -_- EDIT: 5 VS 1! Thanks Xairmo....the nail in the coffin. Because this thread has debate in the title, I'm forced to comment on it. BUT I DON'T NEED 5 PEOPLE QUOTING EVERY ONE OF MY POSTS SAYING HOW I'M FLAT OUT WRONG. 1 or 2 is fine. But you guys just do not let up, do you??? I don't even know anymore. I'm not going to take the time and effort to try to explain the Republicans argument if I don't even get any enjoyment out of it. I'm honestly quite tired of this. Please rename this thread "Election 2008: Why Democrats are right and Republicans aren't" Just to clarify: I AM PRO LIFE. You have seriously got to be kidding me. I never, EVER, said I was pro choice. My beliefs on abortion should be clear. Yes, now I see the typo. But seriously dude, couldn't you have just realized that, or we're you just too eager to prove me wrong? |
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We aren't ganging up on you, though most of us did joke about it. You just happen to be the only one here defending that viewpoint right now unless someone wants to play devil's advocate. Like you said, the younger generation is just very liberal (especially the forum-goers, as I've noticed) so it's not really a fair debate in that sense. :(
Anyway, Allstories just summed up my reply to the health care thing. But I'll also toss in that universal health care can't be an opt-in, opt-out thing. It wouldn't work that way, because the funds just wouldn't be significant enough. |
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Just to lighten up this conversation. :D ....Continue. |
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I read the CNN article about Wasilla charging for rape kits. Wasilla was not the only town to charge for them as some posters conveniently forget to mention. Also according to local records the issue was not brought up at city meetings.
To the posters that say governors are not qualified to be President, I have a list of twentieth century presidents that were governors.
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Getting back on topic, the current issue of debate was education and not "Let's splurge right back into Democrats vs. Republicans part twelve-hundred and sixty two." O_O Seriously dude, read the current discussion before hurtling the masses into an uproar. I'm even voting for McCain and I'm disliking that guy for not thinking before turning a handful of PC greats against Aurasphere in this respect. Not to insult you Red, but if you want to state your beliefs about the election in general, perhaps that can be done during somewhat of an intermission to topics? From what I can see those statements were present at the beginning and only the beginning of this thread, afterwards it's just side-track on issues which debate threads try to avoid. There is a difference between debating something and arguing with someone, just to clear that up. If you want to enrage someone, do it on your own time, that goes for everyone to responded too. There is such a thing as level-headed behavior. You have to analysis a collection of posted information before you deem "wow this person is insulting me" when one should be thinking "Oh he's misunderstanding what I'm presenting, let me try to clear things up from my point of view." Just remember we're all here because of our love of Pokemon :mudkip^_^:, don't let political issues come completely between you and another user. Respecting other's viewpoints is key to success, you don't get there by ganging up or name calling. Politics might seem like the only fun to it is completely ripping each other apart, but hey, c'mon, focus on the real things at stake here. What are you going to do by doing that? That is the worst way of trying to get someone to see your point of view. It's also the worst way, which if you didn't notice is what politicians usually try to do, to persuade the public to think like they do. How else will they get your vote? Being honest, I'm sure once in awhile everyone likes to blow off steam and this kind of thing seems the best way to do it, but when you take into consideration that these issues kind of reflect our countries and...well, our futures? That's kind of an important thing to be taken calmly. Swiftly, sure, but calm would be nice. So again, not pointing fingers, Red, but it's probably better not to taunt the masses. So ANYWAY, what does everyone think about education? Hopefully everyone chimes in for the particular issues and not just ZOMG ARGUMENT, ME JOIN. -_- |
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Wow...I totally forgot about the education part...=P But yes, our passion for our views on politics can cloud ourselves and hurt other people's feelings (Sorry...Aura (;_; ) Yes our love for Pocket Monsters (Yay for PokeSpe!) is what brought us here to this forum. Let's not devolve this debate thread into "my political party is better than yours" arguments. Let's start by not devolving to name calling (Seriously has anybody read that breach of etiquette exchange between me and Aura, Then how I resented it later) You guys are some of the MOST friendliest people I have ever seen. Let's not have our Political views create schisms and grudges, remember the person your replying to IS A PERSON!) SO LETS KEEP DISCUSSIONS ON TOPIC AND ON THE ISSUES! PLEASE :D Also I'm watching PBS and they're right Wall St. is changing right in front of our eyes...Very historic times...=D Quote:
=D And yeah let us try not to be a bunch of hypocritical politicians. Seriously if politicians just follow what they say in their 4th of July speeches things might actually become better, Instead of taking lobbyist money and become a bunch of corporate sellouts. Help...Don't bash me...XD |
President Bush has summoned top lawmakers including Senators John McCain and Barack Obama to a meting in the White House to discuss the Bailout plan.
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Anyways the first Presidential Debate was scheduled for Friday (Wow...Moderated by Jim Lehrer? I might actually watch this one since I always try to tune into "The News Hour w/ Jim Lehrer" on PBS which I trust...?cautiously?) but the economic crisis will probably postpone it while McCain, Obama, Congress, and Congress debate on which course to take. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=at0jj_i8qxN4&refer=us Anyways in anticipation for the Presidential/VP Debates: If you could ask the Presidential/VP candidates one question what would it be? Me...I'm not sure since it's an opportunity of the lifetime... Also if you want to talk about the Economy and Education, go ahead... Now for some Campaign ads: I know they're outdated since it was made before/around the Primaries. Sorry Republicans if it's offending but I just had to post it since this is a Pocket Monsters forum. Seriously if Campaign ads were made like this, maybe we'll actually listen to them for once. If you guys have found a Republican version post it....=D |
Great video finds vtommy1.
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I actually found these a couple of months ago during the primaries....I actually wanted to post them up but was too lazy to do so...But yeah they're funny...If politics were like this things would be A LOT EASIER...=P J/K So anybody watching the Presidential Debates tonight? I'll try since the economy is tanking as it is...But isn't it supposed to be about foreign policy? |
This might be off topic for a moment. But do you think McCain is going to the debate tonight?
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Haha, I saw the first video earlier in the summer but the Ron Paul one I like better, it has better graphics :P
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Senator McCain has decided to go to the debate. The first forty-five minutes of the debate was focused on the economy. Now it has moved onto the original topic of foreign policy. Also I am posting the JibJab satire of this campaign.
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What I just love about McCain is that:
About 90% of his commercials just bash Obama and say what Obama wont do. But still wont say what McCain will do. McCain says he is against lobbyists. While, all of his advisers are lobbyists. :\ McCain voted with Bush on economic issues. Also with things like privatizing social secrurity. Which would cause basically anyone over 75 years old to become poor. :\ McCain will be a Bush. Although I will say McCain > Bush....Everyone > Bush. :] (Also to all those idiots, being imprisoned during war is NOT a qualification to be president. His senate terms are. So stop saying "WELL HE WAS IMPRISONED IN VIETNAM" or you will get a "WELL MY FOOT IS IN YOUR EYE") At least Obama isn't a hypocrite and says what he will do. Obama all the way. Why? He actually says what he WILL do. He doesn't spend 99% of his life just bashing the other candidates. He isn't Bush. He wont spend 12 billion dollars a month on a quite possibly endless war. Oh, and he has common sense. That is always fun. |
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