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Melash September 5th, 2008 1:28 PM

Silver...who, what, when, and where?!?!
 
Okay, I'm sure most of you know who Silver is. There's a topic on this page that's about him. But for those of you who don't know, he's your rival in GSC.

Anyway, I'm not sure about a few things concerning him, so could you please answer these questions? Thanks!:
3. Does it ever say why he hates the weak/Team Rocket?

Anyway, thanks. Also, please post here with any information that you know about him!

Kotowari September 5th, 2008 1:36 PM

There's a slight hint in FireRed that Silver is Giovanni's son.
There's a Rocket scientist that says that Giovanni's son is a boy with red hair. =/

Unfortunately, I don't know more about him.

But if that is true (he being Giovanni's son), you can start philosophying about why he would hate Team Rocket... Because he hates his father for abondoning Team Rocket? Or because Team Rocket is nothing without his father? And so on.

Luke128th September 5th, 2008 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulbapedia
In the FireRed & LeafGreen chapter it is revealed that Silver is the son of Giovanni.

'Nuff said. Silver is the son of Giovanni.

Melash September 5th, 2008 1:50 PM

Oh! Silver is the son of Giovanni? Wow! I never knew that!

Anyway, do you know where either Silver or Givonni lived/grew up at? And does it ever say who Giovanni's wife is? (I doubt it...)

squirtle rocks! September 5th, 2008 2:19 PM

well apparently like others have said there was a rumour of him being the son of giovanni:)

Harry Blue5 September 6th, 2008 1:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke128th (Post 3911994)
'Nuff said. Silver is the son of Giovanni.

Wasn't that talking about the Manga? Because the Manga isn't 100% accurate. It isn't cannon.

JX Valentine September 6th, 2008 6:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Blue5 (Post 3914211)
Wasn't that talking about the Manga? Because the Manga isn't 100% accurate. It isn't cannon.

Actually, it is. It's just a different sort of canon. It's licensed merchandise for the most part, which means it's not just some fan manga floating around because someone felt like writing a manga version of the games. That is, the writer and artists actually had permission to use Nintendo-copyrighted characters for the sake of a story. Otherwise, you'd see Nintendo come down hard because Special would therefore be a fairly popular copyright infringement.

However, manga canon (any of them -- and there isn't just one) =/= game canon. Special tries its best to respect the canon of the games (because that's what it's based on), but it takes some liberties.

That said, while Silver being Giovanni's son is canon in the manga, it's never explicitly stated in the games. Not even for the Japanese versions.

Melash September 13th, 2008 2:21 PM

Okay, but does it ever say where Giovanni/Silver grew up at?

Dukey September 13th, 2008 3:00 PM

nar don't think so just that he is quite possibly giovanni's son

Melash September 18th, 2008 6:25 PM

Okay, not to be spamming, but doesn't anyone know where Silver grew up/was born at? Aren't there any slight hints in the anime or anything else?

nssfleahedgehog September 20th, 2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Melash (Post 3950433)
Okay, not to be spamming, but doesn't anyone know where Silver grew up/was born at? Aren't there any slight hints in the anime or anything else?


According to Yellow saga of Pokemon Special, Giovanni was born in Viridian City (which makes sense since he's the gym leader there). In FR/LG saga, Silver is revealed to be Giovanni's son, so he might have been born there, or at least raised there, because of his Sneasel's memories.

bubblewrap September 20th, 2008 2:00 PM

Yeah. in Special, it says that Silver WAS actually raised in Viridian. (Well, until Ho-oh took him away to Neo Team Rocket) Nobody knows his mom or if he was actually BORN in Viridian.
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Originally Posted by Melash (Post 3950433)
Okay, not to be spamming, but doesn't anyone know where Silver grew up/was born at? Aren't there any slight hints in the anime or anything else?

Sadly, there are no hints in the anime because Silver never appeared, except for a cameo somewhere in The Legend of Thunder, I think in the opening song or something.

Melash September 20th, 2008 4:41 PM

Okay, so he was raised in Viridian. Waht happened next?
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Well, until Ho-oh took him away to Neo Team Rocket
Uhh....Neo Team Rocket? Huh? Is there any little history line about him anywhere? I've never heard of Neo Team Rocket....

Roronoa Zolo September 20th, 2008 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Melash (Post 3956832)

Uhh....Neo Team Rocket? Huh? Is there any little history line about him anywhere? I've never heard of Neo Team Rocket....

its the "evil" group in the special manga
It was form when giovanni disbanded the team rocket.
The new leader was called the mask of ice.

Volkner's Apprentice September 20th, 2008 8:49 PM

Here's a toss-up. In the anime, "Paul" acts as kind of a guy who hates weak people and treats his Pokemon badly. He's supposed to be the anime embodiment of Silver, right?

Melash September 22nd, 2008 6:43 PM

Okay, so what did Giovanni do after he failed in the Kanto Region? (Red Version)

Shiny Umbreon September 22nd, 2008 6:53 PM

Outside the manga, he just said he'd leave, and nobody has never seen him again. Probably he entered a religious group or something. >_>

MrsMime October 13th, 2008 9:12 AM

Yeah, he founded "Giovanni's witnesses".
If you're ever home on a weekday and hear a knock at your door, it could be him.
Don't accept the flyer.

Melash October 13th, 2008 6:01 PM

I wonder if the Viridian City Gym was actually his house? He could have had a underground room, like in the Celadon Game Corner, and the all the other bases....

Just an idea, though.

MrsMime October 13th, 2008 6:24 PM

Most likely..although the Pokemon games have a funny way of having alot of homeless people. Ever notice the house to person ratio? XD

Tanooki October 13th, 2008 7:19 PM

Those people might live in the numerous houses and buildings that don't have any doors for some reason... which begs the question, how do they get in? Saffron, Celadon, and Goldenrod especially had a bunch of these. Are they supposed to be apartments or something? =P

MrsMime October 13th, 2008 7:31 PM

Oh I was counting the doorless houses..even then, it's a pretty big difference! Think about all the random trainers scattered throughout the routes and stuff. Where the heck to they live? The bushes?

Furthermore, what about all the swimmers on the water routes? How do they CONSTANTLY STAY FLOATING?!
This is why Pokemon should never be taken seriously..

torferno lvl-X November 5th, 2008 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nssfleahedgehog (Post 3955458)
According to Yellow saga of Pokemon Special, Giovanni was born in Viridian City (which makes sense since he's the gym leader there). In FR/LG saga, Silver is revealed to be Giovanni's son, so he might have been born there, or at least raised there, because of his Sneasel's memories.

How can Sneasel have those memories? Cause in gold, silver and crystal it shows the part where Silver stole Sneasel and you have to protect Shuckel.

ハリマ☆ハリオ November 6th, 2008 3:19 AM

Pokémon Special draws off the canon presented in the games. The games do imply that the Gold/Silver rival's father is Giovanni. Or do they? It's really all just based on a person's interpretation of the matter.

Besides that reference and whatever's revealed in Gold and Silver, that's all the facts. The rest would be conjecture.


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