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Shaymin @ Petyta Berry
Timid Nature 252 Sp Atk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP -Seed Flare -Substitute -Hidden Power Ice -Air Slash If you want to go different Mixed Sweeper Shaymin @ Life Orb Naive Nature 170 Sp Atk/ 252 Spd/ 82 Atk/ 6 HP -Seed Flare -Return -Hidden Power Ice -Air Slash Or a Sunny Day set.. Shaymin @ Leftovers Modest Nature 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd/ 6 HP -Solar Beam -Sunny Day -Hidden Power Fire -Synthesis .............. |
I still need to see all the new moves some Pokemon got.
I wanna try Bullet Punch Scizor. |
of course the lawn mower is evil, why wouldn't it be? Any who, Shaymin Sky can't be sereiously injured by Flying types, that's a start.
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Can't be injured by flying types? Wait........what? It's weak to flying! Aerodactyl still outspeeds it and KOs it most likely, although 100/75/75 defenses surpass Starmie's 65/85/85. However, 4x weak to Ice is a problem. Ice Shard from Weavile can quickly lay on the KO with CB, although Skymin has that Quick Attack to get the jump on weakened Weavile.
The more offensive Giratina...I really don't think it's going to be too useful without a Scarf. It's too slow, but Ghost + Dragon in Ubers = wonder offensive typing. Shadow Ball + Dragon Pulse or Shadow Claw + Dragon Claw destroy most Ubers, even the likes of Shedinja. Its defenses are still adequate enough to tank, but not wall. The new Rotom forms, I don't know. I'll wait for more information. Two things that make me facepalm: Neither Flareon or Entei got Flare Blitz. They got Lava Plume and Eruption, respectively. Seriously, one of them needed a good Fire STAB, but Game Freak didn't grant this...I wanna gun them down now. Also, with the expected Outrage tutor, Dragonite is 95% outclassed by Salamence or heck, even Kingdra! (Dragonite still has a more varied special movepool and Focus Punch, although that special movepool isn't useful.) Dragonite better get a saving grace of some sort this coming generation or else it's going straight to BL and remaining there for eternity. |
Skymin @ Life Orb / Leftovers ** Can't touch this
Timid, 252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 HP Leech Seed Substitute Air Slash Seed Flare Skymin is clearly Uber judging by the information released. 127 Spe coupled with 120 SpA obviously grants it a one-way ticket to Ubers, as it has a great STAB move in Seed Flare, with Serene Grace its abilities are doubled. |
The Rotoms will all be stuck in UU for bad speed, except the oven forme becuase it can't be walled by bulky waters and is therefore in BL.
Shaymin will break OU in five seconds flat and be thrown into Ubers to get raped at sonic speed. Giratina will just flat out suck. |
This is fun, all these pre-tested speculations.
Dark, do you mean LawnMower isn't walled by bulkywaters? He's the only one with a supreme grass type, that raeps all competition, because grass types are the strongest ones evar. But yeah, grass beats bulky waters. Can't Mew help out Shaymin if she gets thrown into uber? |
I think people are dismissing Giratina. The origin form is no longer a wall, but a tank. It still has 150/100/100 defenses, which are almost as good as Cresselia, while boasting a 120 Base SpA stat and a far better movepool. It could do some damage in Ubers.
Sky Shaymin is so totally Uber. Seriously, did Gamefreak mess up or what? 80% chance of -2 SpD. Jesus, nothing is safe anymore! Not to mention Air Slash is boosted and it's incredible speed. Also it doesn't have the worst defenses with 100/75/75, and a new fighting resist. Nasty Plot Darkrai and (supposedly) Outraging Salamence could bring new life into the metagames also. This looks interesting, and why I was against moving Garchomp until these new changes were seen. The whole metagame is going to get a reshuffle IMO. btw, playing it now, and the graphics rock. CHIMCHAR IS THE SEX I TELL YOU. PICK CHIMCHAR, THE LITTLE MONKEY IS TOOOOO GOOD! ~T_S |
i think Giratina Origin Form is faster than its old form in Diamond&Pearl. isnt it?
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5 more base speed. It's not much, especially for Ubers.
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I disagree totally. Dusknoir looks fruity, damned new graphics.
I pray to God that these Outraging tutors are just rumors. The game would literally be broken, then. Seriously, dragons would rule the metagame with no problem. |
even if they made the origin form of giratina. still dialga is The Most Powerful Dragon Pokemon
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Hmmm. Donphan got Seed Bomb (btw, wtf is that? How does Donphan get Seed Bomb???) so maybe CB Donphans will be used more with their Ice Shards now that they can threaten bulky water switch-ins?
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The same way Pachurisu got Seed Bomb.
You know, I'm good with this thread for a while. I'm just pissed at how some pokes got updates, yet others that needed it got forsaken. I mean what the frack? What the hell does Bellosom need Leafblade for? Why didn't Vileplume get himself a useful offensive move? What the *$#@% were the thinking when they gave Lava Plume to Flareon? I freakin' hate GameFreak now. |
Of course a Grass type beats a bulky water, the fire one gets Thunderbolt from form switching.
Seed Bomb Donphan??? Was there anything good that Typhlosion got? |
When I say bulky water, the first thing I think of is Swampert, who walls the fire one hard.
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Already posted this in raters guild, but i might aswell post it here too. EDIT : Sims, Plume got seed bomb ^_^ lol |
Absolutely unacceptable. Sure, Tauros & Venasaur (wtf) & possibly Gyarados could use it, but Salamence makes Dragonite useless.
I'm sorry, I'm just too happy. Plume gets Seed Bomb! Sure, it's no Leaf Blade, but it doesn't make sense if he got it. Now he & Bella could use Swords Dance without totally sucking! To hell with Mence, these two are uber matierial!!! |
Wow, Donphan got Seed Bomb but half of the Grass types didn't?
OHSNAP, MY KYOGRE CAN'T LEARN SURF OH LOOKY! INFERNAPE GOT ANOTHER RANDOM MOVE!!! And Typhlosion wasn't even mentioned once on here. That's destroyed whatever interest I had in the game now. (In the Borderline house) Hello Dragonite! Coming to stay for eternity are you... *Dragonite cries, I would too* |
Well, Nite does have acess to the Pawnches...
This list isn't finalized. If we are lucky, Nite could get akiller new move that decimates the compettition...like Seed Bomb... |
And Salamence gets Leaf Blade.
I really hope Typhlosion gets Outrage. After all, they give it to the Pokemon who can lose their temper easy, and Typhlosion stuff about it losing its cool all around the Johto Pokedexes. |
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So i could well be that one heck of alot more pokemon get these moves. Ice Punch Lucario and Heat Wave Zapdos seem nifty, hmmm. Im also kinda glad forry got a stab bug move, stab steel is ass =/. |
Some thoughts:
Signal Beam on Manectric is cool, adding Dark/Psychic coverage for him :) Luxray got some love, gaining Superpower (gg Clefable) and Magnet Rise (WTF?!). Now all we're missing is Volt Tackle... :) Salamence got a LOT of love, gaining Outrage (gg Dragonite, now banished to the realm of gimmick sets) and Aqua Tail (somewhat useful) I already mentioned Donphan getting Seed Bomb. I'm looking forward to using CB Donphan when Garchomp comes back (which he will with all of these tutor moves messing things up). Kingdra with Outrage is cool :) zomg Zapdos and Crobat get Heat Wave. Specs Zapdos just got 10x better. Lucario gets TPunch and IPunch... SD Lucario even more dangerous now? A lot of Aqua Tail around... Garchomp, Rhyperior, Armaldo, Ttar, etc. Some pokes gaining Knock Off is kinda cool... interesting to see what Empoleon can do, especially with all these Outrages running around. Victreebel/Vileplume/Bellossom now have some semblance of a chance with an SD set with Seed Bomb/Leaf Blade :) Lols GF gave Flareon Lava Plume just to make everyone cry :( Ok, wtf. Why would you give Umbreon Guard Swap?? I suppose it might be useful in Double Battles? Bug Bite on Forretress ftw. Scrub you Celebi! :) Scyther/Scizor get Bullet Punch. :) Curse Bibarel ftw :) Lols Kricketune got a lot of love. Why GF? Why waste your time? :( Darkrai with Nasty Plot. 'Nuff said. Shaymin sky forme with all sorts of ridiculous moves. 'Nuff said. |
Well, Leaf Blade Salamence does beat all the other pokes around...
Hopefully, they will help D-Nite out a bit. If they cuold just give him Ice Pawnch. But he does boast a better mixed set than Mence, what with Ice Beam, Thunder[Bolt], as well as Outrage & DD. I feel that even if Mence get's Outrage, it will result in some more sets for Dragonite, rather than him being bumped off. EDIT:RAICHU SIGNAL BEAM?!?!?! OH, HELL YEAH |
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