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DarkTyphlosion157 October 3rd, 2008 4:56 AM

Gah, what the hell?
 
Looks like this place will be my main point of call, since now SPPF is no longer an option.

Gragh, onto the team.

Heatran w. Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpAtk/252 Spd/4 HP
Timid Nature
Fire Blast
Hidden Power Ice
Earth Power
Stealth Rock

Lead. Predictable sadly.

Gyarados w. Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 216 HP/148 Def/144 Spd
Adamant Nature
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Taunt

Registeel w. Shuca Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/80 Atk/176 SpDef
Sassy Nature
Rest
Sleep Talk
Ice Punch
Thunder

99% Shaymin-S counter we have here. IIRC, Ice Punch OHKOs, Earth Power 3HKOs, and RestTalk is ownage. EVs and nature being worked on as you read this.

Salamence w. Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 120 Atk, 176 Spd, 212 SpAtk
Rash Nature
Outrage
Flamethrower
Roost
Draco Meteor

Mixmence just got harder to counter.

Donphan w. Leftovers
Ability: Rick Roll
EVs: 252 HP/4 Spd/252 Def
Impish Nature
Earthquake
Ice Shard
Rapid Spin
Stone Edge

Helps my SR weakness.

Zapdos w. Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP, 36 Spd, 136 SpDef, 84 Def
Calm Nature
Heat Wave
Roost
Thunderbolt
Substitute

Oh no!

Should have covered the Platifail gang, probably missed a few old threats though.

Skip Shot October 3rd, 2008 8:06 PM

Why is EQ on a ScarfTran. TskTsk... It should have Earth POWAH!

If Stone Edge GYara can get in one or two DDs, it can kill this team. Consider T-Punch over Iron Head on Regi to help[ counter that with bulkiness, or bring a physical sweeper with an electric attack.

One more thing...

You need to teach me what this "Rick Roll" Ability does, I've never seen it. ;)

ABYAY October 3rd, 2008 8:27 PM

HUGE DD Gyara weak here. Registeel needs either Thunder or Thunder Wave (kill or cripple) to take it on. Honestly, Registeel isn't the greatest Rest-talker out there with common weaknesses.

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Relaxed
252HP/56def/200sp.def

Earthquake/Hammer Arm
Ice Punch
Thunder/Thunder Wave
Toxic/Explosion.

Okay, so this can't fully take on Gyarados, but it's an improvement on your current set. Iron Head is basically useless since it can't abuse the flinch rate well. Anyway, this set is nice for a tank. Earthquake/Ice Punch is wonderful coverage, and Thunder smacks Gyarados pretty hard, but if paralyzing it rather than taking a risk with damage is more appealing, pop in T-Wave instead. The last slot is stall against sweep; Toxic whittles slowly, Explosion takes quickly.

You really might want to invest in getting getting a Scarf Gengar or Vaporeon/Suicune to take it on much easier.

Gyarados can go more offensive and gain potential to sweep teams if you want. The Bulky DD set is just...too weak. Also, Heatran works SO much better with Earth Power.

Lalapizzame October 3rd, 2008 8:38 PM

What does Outrage do again that Brick Break can't without being locked in? Either I'm just forgetting something or you're doing something I've never seen. I really recommend Roost, Stealth Rock is common these days and with LO, the damage YOU take gets considerable.

. October 3rd, 2008 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dancing Salamence 1.1 (Post 3999438)
What does Outrage do again that Brick Break can't without being locked in? Either I'm just forgetting something or you're doing something I've never seen. I really recommend Roost, Stealth Rock is common these days and with LO, the damage YOU take gets considerable.

Basically hit everything bar steels harder than before? I agree with Roost > Brick Break.

MM_Zero October 3rd, 2008 8:46 PM

Gyarados' isn't really that bulky compared to other waters, and the bad typing isn't really helping him there either. That being said, consider making him more offensive, since the attack and speed EVs are just might what makes a 2HKO into a OHKO on several occasions.

Lalapizzame October 3rd, 2008 8:50 PM

I would recommend using Earthquake and Ice Punch instead of Iron Head and Ice Punch. That coverage, Ice + Steel, is completely walled by Fire and Steel-types, Earthquake can at least attempt to fix that. :<

Qwilfish October 3rd, 2008 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc4rfCh0mp (Post 3999314)
You need to teach me what this "Rick Roll" Ability does, I've never seen it. ;)

It sings 'Never gonna give you up' to the opponent and makes it confused. XD

Heatran wants Earth Power > Earthquake.

I find Gyarados a good counter of Shaymin-S, IMO.

Stone Edge OHKOs.

Dark Azelf October 4th, 2008 5:18 AM

Nice Troll 1/10 lol.

Naughty on Heatran ? I do believe you mean Timid. I know you meant to do that but w/e =p.


Pretty much everything else has been said. Especially about the Gyarados weak. You could consider Scarfing Zappy as it makes a pretty sweet revenge killer and lead for that matter. U-Turn/T-Bolt/HP Grass or Ice/Heat Wave.


Ive dont get Outrage on Mixmence, but meh.

DarkTyphlosion157 October 5th, 2008 7:38 AM

OK, I've sorted a few things, like Thunder on Registeel and Timid Earth Power Heatran (damn, forgot they have to be 252/252) Roost on Mixmence.

ABYAY, I prefer my current set. Any RestTalker with resistance to 12/17 types is going to be good, and coverage isn't really needed as this isn't doing much to things it attacks aren't SE against anyway. Btw, does Thunder OHKO Gyara, even w. 0 EVs and neutral nature?

Can I ask for some calculations please?

252 SpAtk Timid LO Skymin Earth Power vs 252 HP/176 SpDef Sassy Registeel activating Shuca.

80 Atk Neutral Registeel Ice Punch vs 4 HP/0 Def Skymin

These'll help to see where I'm going with Registeel.

Lalapizzame October 5th, 2008 7:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkTyphlosion157 (Post 4005365)
OK, I've sorted a few things, like Thunder on Registeel and Timid Earth Power Heatran (damn, forgot they have to be 252/252) Roost on Mixmence.

ABYAY, I prefer my current set. Any RestTalker with resistance to 12/17 types is going to be good, and coverage isn't really needed as this isn't doing much to things it attacks aren't SE against anyway. Btw, does Thunder OHKO Gyara, even w. 0 EVs and neutral nature?

Can I ask for some calculations please?

252 SpAtk Timid LO Skymin Earth Power vs 252 HP/176 SpDef Sassy Registeel activating Shuca.

80 Atk Neutral Registeel Ice Punch vs 4 HP/0 Def Skymin

These'll help to see where I'm going with Registeel.

Damage calculations courtesy of http://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html

That Skymin does 18.68% - 22.25% to that kind of Registeel with Shuca activated.

80 Atk Registeel with neutral nature does 70.18% - 83.04% to aforementioned 4 HP / 0 Def Skymin.

So even without Shuca, that Registeel can indeed counter such LO Skymin.

Standard LO Gyarados ( 72 HP / 0 SDef ) takes 77.94% - 92.84% from 0 SAtk Registeel with neutral nature.

DarkTyphlosion157 October 5th, 2008 8:24 AM

Lol @ small chance of 4HKO from Skymin.

Here is another...

252 Atk Adamant LO Gyara Waterfall vs 252 HP/0 Def neutral Registeel

Might put about 16 EVs into Registeel's SpAtk. Dunno why.

Lalapizzame October 5th, 2008 9:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkTyphlosion157 (Post 4005507)
Lol @ small chance of 4HKO from Skymin.

Here is another...

252 Atk Adamant LO Gyara Waterfall vs 252 HP/0 Def neutral Registeel

Might put about 16 EVs into Registeel's SpAtk. Dunno why.

34.89% - 41.48% from aforementioned Gyarados with not a single Dragon Dance.

+1 Atk Gyarados does 52.20% - 61.81%.

DarkTyphlosion157 October 5th, 2008 9:51 AM

Oh dear. I can see myself either putting Thunder Wave instead of Thunder or going Relaxed and putting a few EVs into Defence. Don't know which is better.

Can this be closed? Its lost too much now, so I'm scrapping this team for a new idea.

Ah yeah, and sorry about double post...felt it would be seen better in a second post...

Dark Azelf October 8th, 2008 10:08 AM

Thread Closed on request of OP.


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