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Shuckmonlee is no longer a problem (OU RMT)
Skymin, Scizor, and Deoxys can go to Uber now for all I care. The way people abuse them these days in platinum is pretty pathetic. I made a team that doesn't include these beasts and can still do some damage- as well as counter Shuckmonlee.
Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash Jolly/ Nature 252 Atk/252 Spe/ 6 HP Stone Edge Fire Fang Earthquake Stealth Rock I made this set while testing around my monotype team, and it worked pretty well for me, destroying at least a third of the opponents team before going down. Machamp @ Leftovers Adamant Nature- No Guard 252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 6 Spe Dynamic Punch Rest Stone Edge Sleep Talk Standard Rest Talk champ. Stone Edge to hit more things than I usually would, including Skymin, Scizor, and the flying dragons. Salamence @ Choice Specs Modest Nature 252 Spa/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP Draco Meteor Fire Blast Hydro Pump Dragon Pulse SpecsMence hurts a lot, which isn't what most people think. Fire Blast for floaty steels that think I'm going to EQ, Hydro Pump is designed to kill Tran and Mamo, and Dragon Pulse/Meteor hurts as a stab. Kingdra @ Leftovers/ Salac Berry/ Leichi Berry Adamant Nature 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP Dragon Dance Outrage Waterfall Substitute This Kingdra has the ability to destroy. I'm not sure whether I want Lefites for recovery, Salac for speed, or Leichi for a better attack. Heatran @ Choice Scarf Timid Nature 252 Spa/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP Fire Blast Earth Power HP Ice Toxic My main revenge killer, Scarf Tran comes in to kill and destroy. Toixc wears down waters. Magnezone @ Life Orb Modest Nature- MagnetPull 252 Spa/ 140 Def/ 118 SpDef Discharge Flash Cannon HP Ice Signal Beam/ Magnet Rise I chose Magnezone because of its bulk at defense. 130 base Sp. Atk. also can give some murder as well. Discharge for parahax, Flash Cannon for STAB, HP Ice to hit grounds and dragons, and either Signal Beam for more coverage, or Magnet Rise to stop EQ users. |
No Rock resist (do not say Hitmonlee) thus it'll be really hard to stop a DD Tyranitar in late game. Replace Hitmonlee with something better, even if it's Hitmontop (to fix that TTar problem)
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Speaking of fail why are you using Confuse fail, utter trash, noob of a move, garbage Ray on Gengar =p? Thats an infractable offense. Hypnosis please or Focus Blast so at least t-tar doesnt get a free switch in. |
You're copying me like.... waaaaay too much.
And shut up, D_A. Blaze Kick OHKOs Breloom. >:< Quote:
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I personally can not see what Aerial Ace is doing on Aerodactyl. Flying has rather weak coverage, Fire or Ice Fang will be better here. Jolly nature.
Do you even know just how bad Confuse Ray is? Lacking Focus Blast is bad too. Lose HP Ice and Confuse Ray for Focus Blast and Hypnosis. Don't see the point of Return on Kingdra. I prefer Choice Band, Hitmonlee is frail enough here, Mach Punch over Blaze Kick, CB Mach Punch is more useful as proven from testing. -------------------------------- Tyranitar weak here, DDTar is the most severe problem. A decent Rock resist would help you here, heck, bulky Hitmontop over Hitmonlee would do. And yeah, Hitmonlee can REALLY switch into Tar eh with 50/53 defences eh? |
Sorry about the plagiarism, Mobile.
Based on comments here, it seems that no one likes sets I make :( I'm probably going to get a new special sweeper over Gar that can have some bulk, since Tran is here for R-Killing already. Maybe SpecsMence? *shot* For now, I'm changing Gengar around to SpecsDuggy to SpecsOven, see how that does. Tyranitar isn't proving to put up much of a ifght, since I usually get Kingdra DDing off before Tar can even think about battling and come in. Typhlosion, Return is on Kingdra To provide a great coverage amount, as it along with Outrage and Waterfall hits everything beisdes that annoying armored penguin. Life Orb Hitmonlee works beter for me because I hate getting locked in to moves unless I need the choice item to do things. In this case, Lee does not need a CHoice Band IMO. However, i do want to give you props for pointing out AA. Until Game Freak comes up with a 90+ base power flying move that Aero canlearn that doesn't waste a turn, Aerial Ace is STAB, which isn't o great. I'll go with Fire Fang to annoy Zong and Scizor leads, which i've been seeing recently. On a happier note, Sims actually won't murder me for this team. :) |
But WHAT is Return hitting Waterfall and Outrage aren't?
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Nothing. The days of Return are basically long gone. I'd suggest Substitute > Return so it cannot become the victim of status and such.
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Like breloom is going to switch in or can take a Close Combat regardless. Also iirc it only has 10 more BP than Close Combat even when SE. It also has poor coverage otherwise. Quote:
Well it allows you to combat bulky waters easier without getting locked into Outrage foolishly early game thus limiting revenge kills, but i see what you mean. Not like much can revenge a Kingdra regardless lol. I didnt mean switch into t-tar, i mean revenge kill it with Mach punch. However looking at this team again it does need a solid rock resist(which Hitmonlee IS NOT) so Hitmontop or another bulky fighter would work better in that aspect. To help with said tar. I feel Vileplumes slot could be put to better use aswell ... |
Which Bulky Waters are going to try to take on Kingdra anyway?
Plus you're just making Tyranitar switch out after a kill, so it can end something, you switch in Hitmonlee, it switches out, rinse and repeat. Like I said, Hitmontop>Lee |
I'm using Plume as a cleric. Since he doesn't epically fail at defense like Bliss does, i prefer him. However, I am considering a support Dragonite: Roost/Heal Bell/ Safeguard or Toxic/ Dragon Claw over him.
Everyone's been complaining about a Fighting resist, so I'm thinking of one of the following: Breloom @ Toixc Orb Adamant Nature 252 Atk/ 180 SPe/ 72 HP Spore Stone Edge Mach Punch Seed Bomb or: Machamp @ Choice Band Adamant Nature 252 Atk/ 252 Hp/ 6 Spe(Yes, I fail at EVs) Close Combat Stone Edge Payback Ice Punch Still looking for a special sweeper as well. On kingdra, Typhlo does have a point, I agree. I'm considering either running a mixed set with HP Electric to stop bulky waters, or go with Leftovers and Sub, as Vance suggested(not the lefites part) I don't want life orb due to the amount of recoil that and sub damage gives me in hp amount. |
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Also "Bliss epically fail defense" allows it to take physical hits as good as a max hp scizor =). Clerics waste turns and are set up fodder hence why people dont use them. Rest talk machamp will make it so you have a status absorber so you dont need a cleric >>>Hitmonlee. Then you have one more slot to play with since you wont need Plume anymore. As for that Aero you still wont stop Azelf setting Rocks up so that kinda defeats the purpose of hitting it lol. With a Sash you might aswell use Stealth Rock and Taunt >> Fire Fang and crunch and convert it to the standard suicide lead. This would then give you a slot to play with on Heatran (due to it not needing SR anymore since its now on aero). Im really partial to Toxic or Will-o-Wisp. Since people are adamant in switching bulky waters into it and it wears them down which makes me feel all like :t360: <--Sorry, im using these from now on lol. EDIT : - Quote:
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lol, meant rock. too many comments about the same thing melted my brain into scrap metal.
D_A, you mean Machamp over Plume, since i don't need a cleric, rite? And Oventom is just in there till i find a better special sweeper. Toixc on Heatran sounds good with suicide Aero, I kind of want to keep Fire Fang on there though to stop Scizor. EDIT: After testing out the team on Shoddy tonight, I found that i have a Heracross weak, and that Oventom is dead weight. To help with the problem, I am bringing in a SpecsMence. |
Uhhhhhhhhhhh Modest SpecsMence will outspeed Jolly Heracross all of the time. Timid makes SpecsMence a waste - use Modest.
Remove Hitmonlee or Machamp. One will do (and I'd keep Machamp for Tyranitar). |
Thanks for the help on Mence. Rlly, i would ignore Lee's slot right now, treat it as empty. I'm looking for a good physical sweeper to take his place. I'm considering Timid CB Dugy, however.
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Your Kingdra is damn Adamant, why can't I see Phyz moves on it? I see 2 Spec. moves which aren't good for it's nature.(Adamant-+ATT. -SPATT.)-Right? Sub on Kingdra is genius! Bulky Heracross would be a good PS for ya' (Jolly nature is preferred in my book.) But Dugtrio is fast... Your Ops. Dude. |
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EDIT : Hidden power Flying is utter garbage on specs mence and so is your reasoning for using it since Flamethrower/F-Blast OHKO Heracross. Dragon Pulse/Draco meteor/Fire Blast/Hydro pump or hp ground please. |
I don't see a single special move on Kingdra.
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Indeed. And send me the half that has my keys.
Bulky Machamp laughs in the face of Tyranitar, and Kingdra does not NEED a special move. Waterfall/Outrage/DD/Sub wreck most things Garchomp-style anyway, bulky waters not named Dragon Pulse Milotic during sleep get owned by it. Specsmence has DracoMeteor/DragonPulse/HydroPump/Flamethrower Its all it ever needed. HP Ground is overrated. Heatran is never used much to counter it and you are giving half the metagame a text saying ''Z0MG FR33 5W1TCH 1N N0W!!!1!'' |
THree faces...
*Sad, understanding face at D_A* *WTF face at EMY* *LOL face at Typhlo* I'll change HP Flying to Draco Meteor. Anyone up for making the call on a 6th poke? |
You could use a special wall. Blissey for example.
And lol @ quoting my post. |
Sorry for not saying this earlier, but the majority of my teams are offensive/bulkyoffensive, this one is no exception.
Ur post was win. Few people talk genuine leet anymore. |
Purely for effect. I wouldn't use it normally.
Well, there are a few bulky sweepers that work well as walls, like RestTalk Heatran, shame you already have that slot used for good purposes...I might need to think it over. |
I just had an idea- why not Bulky Sub-Roost Nite?
EDIT: 1. Love the new format. 2. I just realized we've been talking about a physical sweeper when it's a special sweeper I need. I'm going to run up a Magnezone for now. I'll post the set after school. |
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