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By Beach Mortified Productions | Platinum Team
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/03/Ani386SMS.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/7/77/Ani385MS.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/d/d8/Ani230MS.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/b/b4/Ani212MS.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/4/47/Ani134MS.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/15/Ani145MS.png Introduction One day, I ran across the set Double Dance Kingdra moveset in the Kingdra discussion thread, by McGraw. I was eager to build a team around it and use it to the best of it's potential. When I was on the server talking about it and going on about the general draft of the team, Magmortified and the gang were talking about Crocune and where "Cro" came from, and developed into Mag drooling over CroRachi like me and Double Dance Kingdra. After we ironically posted drafts of our team at the same time, we soon joined forces to build a team around Double Dance Kingdra, and CroRachi. Two mostly unexpected, yet deadly (Not to mention fun!) sweepers. After a lot of discussion about what to mold around these two and such, both Magmortified and I came up with this team... Feedback, suggestions for improvement, etc would be lovely. :D Also, guys, let's try and keep the "rates of other rates" to a minimum. Remember, we want to gear discussion in this thread towards the improvement of the team, not bashing of other rates, as long as we're geared towards the same goal, improving the team, we'll be fine with it. And Magmortified has equal power as me in the regard to reply to rates and such. Okay? Let's start then~ Team http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/2/2c/Spr_4d_386S.png
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Conclusion | Final Word A party using two very fun sweepers that Magmortified and I personally enjoy with other providing support, coverage, etc. Just pointing out the weaknesses and suggesting improvements. That's where you come in. Suggestions that will provide more pros than cons are what we're looking for. It's a fun team, doesn't have loads of Pocket Monsters that are on every single team such as Heatran, Skymin, Dugtrio and such. ._. Regardless, we've had fun building this, and the future looks pretty bright. Credits | Updates Zema, of Smogon University. This, this amazing format is not mine. I still love this format, and will continue to use it till I make something better. Bulbapedia & PE2K For providing these sprites, some the new Platinum ones, sorta hard to find. |
I notice a heap of improvements from the other team, notably, no Gengar weak. However, Metagross poses a problem ironically. Scizor can come in, but is outsped by all Metagross. And in the long run, will lose to Metagross due to inferior HP/Def/Att.
Tyranitar also hurts, since your only Rock resist (Jirachi is potentially bounded to Psychic) becomes utter set up fodder. Scizor is your only "safe" bet, and even that's iffy since a DD LO Stone Edge does 93.60% - 110.76% Kingdra also hurts your team, since if it uses Substitue, then it can get a FREE Dragon Dance. It also resists a lot of your teams moves; Scizor's Bullet Punch, Jirachi's Flash Cannon, Vaporeon's Surf, etc... To remedy this weakness to physical sweepers (hey, it's hard to find a single good counter to all of them) I'd honestly ditch Zapdos or Jirachi. You could replace one of them with a bulky ground (though I doubt it'd fully cover up those weaknesses) Something like Hippowdon and Donphan come to mind, since the DD set usually never has Aqua Tail, and CB set can be predicted (but not fully stopped) around. Swampert could fit nicely, since it resists steel, and can come in on TTar DDing (use prediction!) and live a DD LO boosted Crunch, and hopefully OHKO with EQ (you could use CB or Curse, though you aren't guaranteed an OHKO on TTar w/ Adamant + Max Att vs. 6 HP/0 Def) It's really hard finding a patch up for all of these things. I have no real advice on Kingdra, I'm guessing that Vaporeon can *sort* of handle it, but that's a weak counter. |
If you're having such a problem with Tyranitar, Jirachi should have Flash Cannon. A lot of what is resisted by Flash Cannon is hit hard by the rest of your team (specifically Heatran).
I would consider Discharge over Thunderbolt on Zapdos as it provides a more reliable paralysis chance. With that, it permits a drop of Agility for Sleep Talk or, if you're brave enough, Roost; but only if you prefer another move over it. The detail you've given to this team is amazing. The team is amazing. ;o |
Wow! The Kingdra is just evil! I've been working on a deoxys stall but I never would have thought of using it in speed formation. I'm just not that elaborate. :( But i'll see what i come up with after my 15 posts so i can post the sprites to make it look more organized kinda like this.
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As ive said before Tyraitar puts BIG holes in your team it has a free switch in pretty much on zappy then it locks you into a deadly mind game guessing the set and what its going to do.
Not liking the CroJirachi (who gives a free switch in to heatran THE most common poke in the game along with Gyarados, Tyranitar etc depending on the attack move of choice you use.) So Rest talk Machamp could well be considered here for both jobs. Be careful of mixmence too, not only can it shatter screens with Brick Break buts capable of putting a dent in your team. But you can beat that with prediction and revenge. Heat form Rotom may be problematic too since it can come in on Zappy or w/e and wreak havoc via Overheating Jirachi/Scizor, paralyzing Kingdra/Zappy and T-Bolting Vappy and Shadow Balling Deoxys. (I have no idea about what counters this thing due to me being noob at platinum, need help someone D=). Why people use Wish without protect on vappy ill never know as it looses to the metagame lol. Looks like a pretty cool team though. Good luck with it. EDIT : - I was thinking something like Lum Berry Lead Stealth Rock Tyranitar >> Deoxys to help with Heat Rotom. However im unsure if you want to loose lefties recovery and the support Deo grants. [email protected] Berry 240 HP / 48 DEF / 22 SP.ATT / 200 SP.DEF Sassy Nature - Stealth Rock - Thunderwave - Fire Blast / Ice Beam - Crunch |
Snorlax completely stops Heatran and Ovenform Rotom by the way. Blissey does too, but I'm mentioning Snorlax since it resists fire =]
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I don't know about Tyranitar being such an enormous problem, really, maybe I'm insane? With SR support, Bullet Punch is ensured an OHKO. Even without SR, it has a chance to. Granted, Scizor can't exactly switchin on some sets though. Deoxys Reflecting over to Scizor to sponge a physical hit can set Scizor up to rip it in half. Yes, Tyranitar comes up late game, and if my team is depleted at worst I can sacrifice something and revenge it. But when I hear "87.72% 94.74% 103.51%" From Bullet Punch on Tyranitar from Vance, I'm not that intimidated by it. =/ But honestly, what scares me with Tyranitar is the versatility. D: Maybe I should be completely scared of it, apparently, and judging by the reaction of "OMFG TYRANITAR OWNS UNTIL SUNDAY" kinda replies. A bit disheartening, but hmm, gotta fix it.
I'm actually liking the suggestion of Discharge on Zapdos, could feed Zapdos roost and paralyze some opposition, such as annoying Salamence. <.< I don't know it we'd replace Sleep Talk with it, though. And D_A, yeah, Rotom doesn't look healthy for the team. On the suggested lead, I'm not sure if losing that Deoxys support is outweighed by that Tyranitar. Of course SR is still there, which is wanted. Thunder Wave would be generally nice for the team. Well hey, it's definitely worth a test. We'll see what happens, and edits will come accordingly. On Kingdra, well, it's Kingdra. I'm not really sure what we could do to completely stop that insane beast. (That wouldn't open more holes in the team) I'm sleepy, so I'll say yadayada and address more later. And, don't be afraid to dive in with suggestions~ We just want what's best for the team. :D And Mag if you want to address any of this, feel free. |
Hmmm, The only change I seem worth considering is Taunt>Recover on Deoxys.
One threat I have noticed is Magnezone. Heat Wave on Zappy helps, but if it Subs on the Switch in, you'll be sorry. It can also Paralyze Kingdra. Just be aware of it. It can trap and kill Scizor after a Pursuit or BP. The high Def means it can take you down, while keeping a sub up. |
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I've been working with a lot of set variants - Sub Kingdra, SD Scizor, Jirachi with Flash Cannon, and so on. So far, I've been doing well with Double Dance Kingdra, SD Scizor over CB (I wasn't able to do enough Physical damage as I needed to on bulkier Pokemon with CB). And Flash Cannon Jirachi was able to help surpress Tar while being able to build up enough Calm Minds to hurt Zapdos and Rotom badly while insulating against Fire moves. Heatran was actually not a huge issue with Kingdra and Vaporeon running around.
I found most Tars killable, since pretty much everything but Deoxys hit it for hard damage. My main problem being the rare boah. I found my biggest issues to be Rotom - big surprise. But I was able to wear it down, usually with Kingdra and Jirachi. And Swampert was usually worn down by Zapdos and Scizor. The main issue being a combination of the two. Which I'm kind of at a loss on how to deal with. Dual Screen Deoxys has been pretty helpful for the team so far, so I'm a little loathe to give it up. Tyranitar does seem like a fairly interesting option, though... may try it if Rotom becomes too big an issue. |
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Rotom Oven is a beach to take down. >_> I'll have more later, gotta go. D: |
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But anyway, since we're obviously just going back and forth on useless jaja... as you suggested earlier, I'm liking the possible slot of Swampert somewhere, so I'll be testing that to see how it works out. :o Then we can finally put this Tyranitar mess to an end, really. :P Thanks for all the comments, Vance. :D |
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Wouldnt Swords Dance/Agiligy Scizor work better then Choice Banded Scizor, since your Dual Screens can make Scizor last a very long time?
Also. Swampert I think would work very well in your team, since Swampert can easily stop Rotoms, and you have know one that really wants to get thunder waved, and Swampert can switch in on that. Maybe give Swampert Stealth rocks, and Deoxys s spikes for more switch in damage, so you can sweep easier. Other then that. Looks nice. |
Vance, okay, I think we can just drop it now. We'll see how Swampert does.
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And that seems to be the general suggestion, doesn't it? I think Swampert would fit well too. And generally damper the Tyranitar talk. Thanks for the feedback and suggestion, WingsOfFaith. :D I haven't been able to test with this a whole lot, since I've been working on another team. :x But if Mag agreeing on any complete changes, fine by me. Edits should come later~ |
Cant wait to see the updates, and are you looking for a new replacement for Deoxys (s)? Knowing that is is going to uber =O
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I'm really not sure. =/ Somewhere I'll be putting in Swampert to take care of Tyranitar. I really haven't toyed around with this team recently. :x Buuut since Deoxys is out of the question, anyone have suggestions? Haven't adjusted to his loss yet really, since speed adjustments and what not. Maybe there will just be an entirely new team, I don't know. *shrugs* |
Dual Screen Azelf is your fastest/best bet...Oh, and another thing: BOUNCE GYARA WEAK.
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Dual screen Azelf, as said before, is your best bet if you need to 'replicate' Deoxys-S.
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...you know, after thinking about it, I'm just going to lock this. Mag, if you want to restart since the Deoxys ban you can send me a PM if you'd like. Until then, Beachy Mortified: out. |
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