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Netto-kun October 7th, 2008 4:03 PM

Rate my year old team
 
I have this year old team. What should I do with it?

Weavile "Renato" @ Expert Belt
Jolly Nature
252 Atk, 252 Speed
-Aerial Ace
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch

Gengar "Gustavo" @ Wise Glasses
Timid Nature
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast

Swampert "Satoshi" @ Chesto Berry
Adamant Nature
252 Atk, 100 Speed, 156 Sp. Def
-Waterfall
-Earthquaake
-Avalanche
-Rest

Togekiss @ King's Rock
Timid Nature
252 Sp. Atk, 252 HP
-Aura Sphere
-Air Slash
-Thunder Wave
-Wish

Tangrowth "Marcelo" @ Wide Lens
Impish Nature
I think it was: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Attack
-Sleep Powder
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip
-Knock Off

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 HP, 252 Sp. Def I think
-Seismic Toss
-Thunder Bolt
-Heal Bell
-Softboiled

What should I do?

Lunar Fang October 7th, 2008 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Netto-kun (Post 4012784)
I have this year old team. What should I do with it?

Weavile "Renato" @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
252 Atk, 252 Speed
-Aerial Ace
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch

Life orb's generally better since it gives you a boost on every hit.

Gengar "Gustavo" @ Wise Glasses
Timid Nature
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball/ Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast

I'm not sure what you're trying to cover with energy ball, but I'd say tangrowth probably has it covered as well. Hypnosis is a traditional gar move. It'll come in handy if you choose to use it.

Swampert "Satoshi" @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SpA
-Hydro Pump/Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam/Avalanche
-Stealth Rock

I recommend you slap SR on pert (Which I guarantee you, you will not regret), bias a bit more towards defense, and go mixed(optional).
Lefties to compliment it's defensive build.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Modest Nature
252 Sp. Atk, 252 HP
-Aura Sphere
-Air Slash
-Thunder Wave
-Softboiled

King's Rock is frowned upon to be honest and usually not allowed( Iirc it doesn't affect Air slash). Lefties is more beneficial. Also Wish -> Softboiled. If you plan on passing wishes have blissey do it since it's less vulnerable to SR. Timid -->Modest

Tangrowth "Marcelo" @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
I think it was: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Attack
-Sleep Powder
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip
-Knock Off

I'd reccomend leftovers over wide lends. Some of the accuracy may not be perfect, but Tangrowth's lack of good reliable recovery may come back to bite you. So I'd go lefties.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP, 252 Def
-Seismic Toss
-Thunder Bolt/ Ice Beam
-Heal Bell/ Thunder Wave

-Softboiled/Wish

It's a basic blissey set, nothing too tricky here.
It's biased more towards defense because blissey is already an awesome special wall with or without the evs.

Changes in bold.

What should I do?

I'd say it's pretty damn good for an old team considering how the metagame has changed. It's structured pretty well and can hit effectively on both the physical and special spectrum. It may look I reccommended some drastic changes, but from what I see it'd probably help you alot if you'd choose to use it again.

The Hero Without a Name October 7th, 2008 5:43 PM

No, Bold Blissey's outdated. It's definitely something when SpecsLuke only needs Aura Sphere to 2HKO it. Calm Blissey is the way to go.

sims796 October 7th, 2008 5:46 PM

Heh, Fabian, some Lucario are running Focus Blast, just for that purpose. This only furthers the cause that Blissey needs Calm.

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 4013068)
No, Bold Blissey's outdated. It's definitely something when SpecsLuke only needs Aura Sphere to 2HKO it. Calm Blissey is the way to go.

First of all, I hope you don't mean outdated = not viable, that's just wrong. It works just fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4013076)
Heh, Fabian, some Lucario are running Focus Blast, just for that purpose. This only furthers the cause that Blissey needs Calm.

Aura Sphere or Focus Blast it doesn't really matter, bliss shouldn't go 1 on 1 against a Lucario under any circumstance. I'm pretty it sure it'd be hard to fine someone who wouldn't switch out. So I'd say that "purpose" is pretty much nulled.


Not that I'm bashing calm bliss or anything by the way, it's an alright set, your reasoning just doesn't seem relevant. In the end it depends on what he'd like to use. On another note, Tangrowth seems to be the only thing stopping tauntrados.

El Gofre October 8th, 2008 12:54 PM

Actually bold bissey no longer works. That's what comes with being outdated- the game changes around you and you stay still. Blissey came under pressure in particular, with everybody adapting their special sweepers to take on the old set. The afformentioned Lucario is a good example, with Specsluke being able to 2HKO with aura sphere.

And blissey would have to try and stay in against some variants lucario, it's a special walls job to take on special sweepers. Surely the need to switch out, by your own admission, is a sign of that? New blissey spread is essential.

DarkTyphlosion157 October 8th, 2008 1:08 PM

Life Orb over Expert Belt, Swords Dance over Aerial Ace on Weavile. Also this should not be lead.

Ugh, no. Scarf Gengar here, Hypnosis (D/P) or Trick (Pt) over Energy Ball.

Swampert should be Impish, 252 HP/252 Def/4 Atk and Avalanche, Stealth Rock, Earthquake and Waterfall/Stone Edge. Leftovers.

I'll do the rest some other time, my parents are literally throwing me off the laptop now XD

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 4014976)
Actually bold bissey no longer works. That's what comes with being outdated- the game changes around you and you stay still. Blissey came under pressure in particular, with everybody adapting their special sweepers to take on the old set. The afformentioned Lucario is a good example, with Specsluke being able to 2HKO with aura sphere.

And blissey would have to try and stay in against some variants lucario, it's a special walls job to take on special sweepers. Surely the need to switch out, by your own admission, is a sign of that? New blissey spread is essential.

eh..I added my 2 cents, I don't have anything more to say that I haven't already. It's pretty much just preference. I still stand by Luc vs Bliss = no no comment.

Sheek October 8th, 2008 2:25 PM

Are you using this team on DP Wi-Fi, or Shoddy?

The Hero Without a Name October 8th, 2008 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunar Fang (Post 4014835)
First of all, I hope you don't mean outdated = not viable, that's just wrong. It works just fine.
.

Only it IS no longer viable. Bold Blissey no longer has the walling ability to take special hits as well; in addition to Lucario, Specs ALAKAZAM 2HKO's with Focus Blast.

See now? Bold Blissey just can't do it anymore; she needs to be Calm if she wants to stay alive.

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 2:55 PM

I still don't concur personally, but if you're going to propose the spread go ahead and post it. :/

sims796 October 8th, 2008 4:13 PM

Just use Calm and this EV spread:

252 Def, 40 SpA, 216 SpD

Netto-kun October 8th, 2008 4:29 PM

Well, as for Blissey, I can't change her nature and put Wish on her, since I EVed her and teached her Seismic Toss in my Leaf Green. And I've lost my Leaf Green game.

Don't you people think I should change one of those team members? I don't feel secure with those members.

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 4:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Netto-kun (Post 4015640)
Well, as for Blissey, I can't change her nature and put Wish on her, since I EVed her and teached her Seismic Toss in my Leaf Green. And I've lost my Leaf Green game.

Don't you people think I should change one of those team members? I don't feel secure with those members.

I was actually avoiding that >_____>.

The best I can say now is Tangrowth -->Celebi, but honestly you may be better off making a new team. I can't really tell you who to change other than to pokemon who happen to do the same job better. Your team is structured fine (2 special sweepers, 2 physical sweepers ,2 walls) , but it doesn't really abide by any kind of synche. Ie: Celebi, Heatran...but that's just how I see it. =/

sims796 October 8th, 2008 4:52 PM

I agree. This team, well, is a year old. Sure, it may be structured well, but at this point, that structure won't work as well. The whole 2 sweepers, 2 walls, etc doesn't really cut it. Pokes can hit harder than ever, and the ability to easily charge up can decimate this team. Revenge killers are more important, yada yada yada.

anywho, i second blowing this team up, and rebuilting from scratch.


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