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. October 9th, 2008 12:50 PM

GO GO POWER RANGERS
 
Introduction
The main idea behind this team is to use Pokes I haven't used before (or recently, in both Deoxys-e and Cune's case), like Feraligatr. Unfortunately, it was having trouble with standards, so I had to tweak it up a bit and didn't get to use things like Aerodactyl (back in OU baby!) Still, this should be considered a serious team, although I didn't plan nor do I believe it shall do excellent or soar to the top of the leaderboards (you never do know though T_T) Oh, and sorry, no Power Rangers theme.


Aerodactyl {Lead}
http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/aerodactyl.png
Aerodactyl @ Life Orb
Jolly
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Earthquake
Crunch
Stealth Rock
Stone Edge


Suicune {Status Absorber}
http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/suicune.png
Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/252 Def/6 Spe
Surf
HP Electric
Rest
Sleep Talk


Weavile {The Wall Breaker}
http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/salamence.png
Weavile @ Life Orb
Rash
120 Att/252 SpA/138 Spe
Draco Meteor
Fire Blast
Brick Break
Roost

Feraligatr {The Physical Sweeper}
http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/feraligatr.png
Feraligatr @ Salac Berry
Jolly
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Substitute
Swords Dance
Waterfall
Return


Deoxys-e {The Revenge Killer 2)
http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/deoxyse.png
Deoxys-e @ Life Orb
Hasty
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Superpower
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Psychic


Breloom {The Physical Sweeper 2)
http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/breloom.png
Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Adamant
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Focus Punch
Seed Bomb
Substitute
Spore

DarkTyphlosion157 October 9th, 2008 1:33 PM

Ice Fang is no use anymore on Hippowdon with Garchomp in ubers. And an endless Sandstorm which nothing else on your team resists isn't that good of an idea.

I prefer 212 HP/120 Def/176 SpDef as RestTalk Milotic's EV spread. You get more defence to double and the SpDef after 176 does not much in particular

HP EVs seem pointless on Weavile. Better with max speed.

Has trouble with standards like you said, even CBTar now due to Aqua Tail. Not sure how to fix this becuase it seems to be a team with your favorites more than competitively brilliant 'mons.

. October 9th, 2008 1:43 PM

I'm gonna replace Hippowdon. I realized the complete brain relapse when I saw SubSalac Gatr and Hippowdon on paper ;_; Any suggestions? (I was thinking of Aero, not suicide, but meh)

Zurich October 9th, 2008 2:13 PM

What about azelf for a lead? That all i can think of.

[email protected] Choice scarf
U-turn
Stealth rock
Zen hedbutt
Explotion/ if you dont want suicide maybe put ice punch or something like that

. October 9th, 2008 2:13 PM

Eh, I guess Azelf could work. I'm trying out ol' Aero for a while.

El Gofre October 9th, 2008 2:31 PM

I'm dissapointed by the lack of power rangers, those guys rules my childhood =]

Lack of fight resist and reliable walls is also regrettable, I can see machamp chewing through a lot of this. I'm tired and can't bring myself to do a full rate (Damn you jack daniels), I'll have a better look tomorrow.

Syaoran October 9th, 2008 4:10 PM

Quite a noob team.

Heracross pulls the SubSalac thing a lot better. That Suicune is stat up fodder. Weavile doesn't hit hard enough imo, but let's ignore that for the moment. Your entire team gets massacred by the common SD Scizor, even Suicune can't take on SD X-Scissor.

Enjoy your death! ^__^

. October 9th, 2008 4:34 PM

Don't see how that helps me, but thanks for taking time to look over it <3

By the way, Feraligatr is much cooler, and I've used Hera already.

sims796 October 9th, 2008 5:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 4017835)
I'm dissapointed by the lack of power rangers, those guys rules my childhood =]

Lack of fight resist and reliable walls is also regrettable, I can see machamp chewing through a lot of this. I'm tired and can't bring myself to do a full rate (Damn you jack daniels), I'll have a better look tomorrow.

I agree 100%, and give this teem a -12/10 d00d. There are NO Power Rangers here, and I deem this team epic phail.

To make it less phail, couldn't you add Machamp here?

. October 9th, 2008 5:13 PM

I've used Machamp very recently (and still am) so that'd destroy the purpose of this team =/

sims796 October 9th, 2008 5:16 PM

That doesn't excuse the lack of Power Rangers.

But my bad, I didn't read the intro, I was too pissed from not seeing a pink ranger in a miniskirt, jerk.

How popular is Haryiama? Or Hitmontop, for that matter?

. October 9th, 2008 5:19 PM

Using both currently (Yama on my Platinum and Top on my mixed tier team) =/

I should make the extra effort...and make this a power ranger theme...

sims796 October 9th, 2008 5:30 PM

Wait...doesn't Breloom resist both Rock, Dark, AND Ground? Couldn't you give it Mach Punch & make it teh Green Rangah?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!1/1/!/1/1/1?!!?/

That'll hanlde Tar somewhat.

. October 9th, 2008 5:32 PM

Breloom already massacres all but DDTar (who, by the way, it raped by Deoxys-e) it comes in on Crunch and EQ (Stone Edge CAN 2HKO, so it's risky) and uses it as set up fodder.

Archer October 10th, 2008 3:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vance (Post 4018393)
Breloom already massacres all but DDTar (who, by the way, it raped by Deoxys-e) it comes in on Crunch and EQ (Stone Edge CAN 2HKO, so it's risky) and uses it as set up fodder.

There are a few things you can do here... My first idea would be to run a remotely bulkier set, so Stone Edge can't OHKO. Spore should be able to do it's magic, and let you sub. Any Lum sets should be Leads, so Aero should be able to take them. *RUNS CALC*... 68% - 80%, so if it decides to attack rather than DD, you can always revenge it with Weavile/Deoxys.

One other thing is to consider Sashing your lead Aerodactyl. It lets you get at least two attacks unless you are facing a fast scarfer or Hail-Inducer.

All I can see now... Besides the Trick Room weak.

If you don't use the Power Ranger Theme, I will. I'm warning you....

Noir Lancer October 10th, 2008 9:12 AM

- 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spd on Weavile the HP Evs really do not accomplish anything really, Smogon claims it can survive an Azelf's unboosted Flamethrower, which a 4 HP version can also do, however, Azelf nowadays have LO or Fire Blast. Allowing Weavile to be hit defeats its purpose anyway, and with 252/252 you can revenge kill other Weavile who run the Smogon standard. Besides that's how the current offensive metagame operates, might as wel jump on the bandwagon.


I apologize I'm short on time, however I dont think that Gatr nature and spread is going to work quite frankly, as well as max speed on a positive nature Deoxys, will provide alternatives in a later post.

. October 10th, 2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4019325)
There are a few things you can do here... My first idea would be to run a remotely bulkier set, so Stone Edge can't OHKO. Spore should be able to do it's magic, and let you sub. Any Lum sets should be Leads, so Aero should be able to take them. *RUNS CALC*... 68% - 80%, so if it decides to attack rather than DD, you can always revenge it with Weavile/Deoxys.

I'll sacrifice Speed EVs, since all the things I use as set up fodder can't outspeed me even if I lower it to 0.

One other thing is to consider Sashing your lead Aerodactyl. It lets you get at least two attacks unless you are facing a fast scarfer or Hail-Inducer.

Eh, I REALLY don't want to turn it into a suicide lead. Life Orb actually makes Aero into a capable sweeper. Kills off suicide leads as well.

All I can see now... Besides the Trick Room weak.

If you don't use the Power Ranger Theme, I will. I'm warning you....

Lol noob poser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir Lancer (Post 4019827)
- 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spd on Weavile the HP Evs really do not accomplish anything really, Smogon claims it can survive an Azelf's unboosted Flamethrower, which a 4 HP version can also do, however, Azelf nowadays have LO or Fire Blast. Allowing Weavile to be hit defeats its purpose anyway, and with 252/252 you can revenge kill other Weavile who run the Smogon standard. Besides that's how the current offensive metagame operates, might as wel jump on the bandwagon.

Agreed, thank you.

I apologize I'm short on time, however I dont think that Gatr nature and spread is going to work quite frankly, as well as max speed on a positive nature Deoxys, will provide alternatives in a later post.

+Spe lets me outrun Max Spe Metagross, but I don't see many of them.

I'm updating it to the Power Rangers now =/

Noir Lancer October 10th, 2008 5:05 PM

For Deoxys, 96 Atk/ 252 S.Atk/ 160 Spd will probably be all it needs in terms of speed for beating Scarf Gengar, otherwise use 116 EVs to outspeed other Deoxys-e, it needs the Attack in my opinion.

ExtremeDarkness October 11th, 2008 8:01 AM

i honestly don't think that breloom would be a good choice.

Dunsparce October 11th, 2008 8:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 333DarknessLugia (Post 4022924)
i honestly don't think that breloom would be a good choice.

What are you talking about? Breloom is offically OU in the Smogon Tiers.

It's a great Pokemon. Spore+Focus Punch and Toxic Orb+Poison Heal are great Stategies only it can use. Smeargle can learn Spore+Focus Punch, but is better off BPing than attempting to sweep.

"I honestly don't think" you know what you're talking about. ;/

Anti October 11th, 2008 8:45 AM

Huge offensive Suicune weakness. Most of them blaze past breloom and your own Suicune and you just can't do anything to them. Raikou is similar, but a little less threatening really. Like Sya said, SD Scizor is going to cause a ton of problems as well. Deoxys-S is also a problem, and really you can't stop it reliably at all.

Realistically, I don't see Feraligatr pulling off a sweep. The metagame hits too fast and too hard and feraligatr isn't fast or powerful enough to sweep, even after a salac boost. It still falls to standard scarfgar and deoxys-s, two VERY common pokemon. I would use a more direct approach if you're using Feraaligatr. I don't really think the speed from salac helps him much, so you can use the standard SDer (though like subsalac, it's inferior Heracross really).

Not really digging this one. There seems to be a lot of dead weight (like Breloom and Weavile...honestly don't see either one helping a whole lot). I would get rid of that and put in things that fill in your weaknesses. I'm hesitant to make too many changes since this seems to be more a a fun team (and yes I read that it's a serious team, but Feraligatr kind of gives off such an impression lol).

Also Dunsparce, don't you think going "womg u don no wat ur talkin bout" is just a little uncalled for? I actually agree with him...Breloom isn't a great choice for this team that already has plenty of physical attackers, none of which can hit very hard or sweep much of anything. "I honestly think" that was a useless post.

. October 11th, 2008 9:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 4023040)
Huge offensive Suicune weakness. Most of them blaze past breloom and your own Suicune and you just can't do anything to them. Raikou is similar, but a little less threatening really. Like Sya said, SD Scizor is going to cause a ton of problems as well. Deoxys-S is also a problem, and really you can't stop it reliably at all.

I haven't had trouble with SD Scizor whatsoever, but I noticed the Suicune weak. And a Zapdos weak. It seems as if I can't kill them =[

Realistically, I don't see Feraligatr pulling off a sweep. The metagame hits too fast and too hard and feraligatr isn't fast or powerful enough to sweep, even after a salac boost. It still falls to standard scarfgar and deoxys-s, two VERY common pokemon. I would use a more direct approach if you're using Feraaligatr. I don't really think the speed from salac helps him much, so you can use the standard SDer (though like subsalac, it's inferior Heracross really).

Gatr has done so well for me, so it's staying, sorry.

Not really digging this one. There seems to be a lot of dead weight (like Breloom and Weavile...honestly don't see either one helping a whole lot). I would get rid of that and put in things that fill in your weaknesses. I'm hesitant to make too many changes since this seems to be more a a fun team (and yes I read that it's a serious team, but Feraligatr kind of gives off such an impression lol).

Lol @ Gatr. I honestly don't see how Breloom's a dead weight. It's won me a majority of my matches, and I know the common response would be "that's not saying much" but I don't think I could've won the matches I did without it.

Also Dunsparce, don't you think going "womg u don no wat ur talkin bout" is just a little uncalled for? I actually agree with him...Breloom isn't a great choice for this team that already has plenty of physical attackers, none of which can hit very hard or sweep much of anything. "I honestly think" that was a useless post.

Ownt?

For the team, I'm really trying to make Aero and Gatr work, so they're in for good. All the others are replacable. Any suggestions? (Although Breloom really helps)

Zurich October 11th, 2008 10:43 AM

your team is fine, if you are having some problems with cune and Zapdos try out something that can paralyze those threats such as blissey or porygon 2 but if you also have trouble with scizor then oven rotom can do a fine work in this team. (replace it with deoxys)

. October 11th, 2008 3:59 PM

Actually, Oven Rotom could REALLY work out. It counters Zapdos, Scizor, AND Suicune, right?

Zurich October 11th, 2008 4:45 PM

Yeah, but you MAY have problems if scizor have pursuit. But at leat it doesnt OHKO you.
Then you could use this set:

[email protected] Lefties
Bold
252 HP/252 Def/6 Sp.Atk
Light screen
Discharge
Overheat
Reflect
Or something like this.

. October 11th, 2008 4:57 PM

Eh, I need a status absorber, so if I'm using Oven Rotom, it'll be Rest-Talk.

Noir Lancer October 11th, 2008 5:14 PM

Overheat Rotom doesnt make a good ResTalker quite frankly, that S.Atk drop leaves it useless after one use.

If you want to counter said threats while still keeping that offensive feel in your team, then may I suggest a personal set I came up with?

Rotom-h @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature (+S.Atk -Atk)
176 HP/ 124 S.Atk/ 208 Spd
- Trick
- HP Ground
- Shadow Ball
- Overheat

Does quite a fantastic job at three things: revenge killing, tanking and crippling a wall. The S.Atk EVs are enough to guarantee a OHKO on Azelf and the Speed EVs allow it to outspeed Skymin with the Scarf, as well as making sure Luke doesnt beat you with an SD Crunch, as you can outspeed it before it can try it. The rest in HP for better switching in on things like Scizor. HP Ground is mainly for hitting the ever so common Heatran switch ins, and as a makeshift answer to Electivire.

It's best if you look for a ResTalker in something else though

. October 11th, 2008 5:20 PM

Blegh, I'm not a fan of Trick, but that's still a very interesting set.

Sadly, I've been talking, and it seems a lot of people agree Weavile is a dead weight.

Noir Lancer October 11th, 2008 5:28 PM

That Rotom I suggested could take Weavile's place, as it roughly does the same thing,in terms of revenge killing, while providing useful resistances and counter for Scizor. Gatr and/or Breloom should be removed for better walls and a ResTalker.

. October 11th, 2008 5:32 PM

Losing both Gatr and Rotom leaves me only with Aero and Deoxys-e as true sweepers. That means I get destroyed by 100% of the metagame =/


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