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Strongest pokemon up to R/S/E
Ok here are the rules for these posts.
1. You have to present a pokemon, not including ubers or legendaries, and defend it as the strongest pokemon in the game up to R/S/E. 2. A moveset is required, with an explanation, and a hold item. EV training is not required, but it would probably help you make your case. 3. No "ZOMG BLAZIKEN FTW HE PWNS ALL N00BS". Please, have a real reason for what you are suggesting. I believe that the strongest pokemon is heracross. Monster ATK stat, decent defense and speed. Biggest problem is a 4x flying weakness, but that can be covered with Rock Slide. Anyway, here is my Heracross: Heracross [email protected] Berry Megahorn A 120 ATK move w/STAB is always good. Endure Purely to set up Reversal. Reversal Endure + Salac Berry + STAB = Almost guaranteed OHKO Rock Slide Flying types begone! Rock slide owns you all. EVs: 252 ATK (obviously) 252 SPD (this is a personal choice, cuz Salac Berries aren't easy to find) 6 in whatever |
Aggron Or Rhydon
There Both Really Powerful There favourites of mine |
The most powerful Pokemon in the game (including Ubers/Legendaries) is Snorlax. It single-handedly changed the entire metagame. It is feared in every version of the game, and a good competitive battler MUST account for it while constructing their team. While it has a good number of effective movesets, there is nothing more powerful than Curelax:
Snorlax @ Leftovers Trait: Thick Fat EVs: 144 HP / 68 Atk / 132 Def / 164 SpD Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Body Slam/Return - Curse - Rest - Shadow Ball/Earthquake/Fire Blast First of all, outside of Blissey, Snorlax is the best special wall in the game. High base SDef (110) and HP (160), along with no weakness to special moves allows this to switch in on a special attacker, and give a free Curse while the opponent switches out. Anyone not familiar with Curse should know that while it is a Ghost move that drops the target's HP by 1/4 each turn, if a non-Ghost Pokemon uses it their Atk and Def will increase one stage (50% increase) while their Spd will decrease one stage instead. Basically, it seems this alternate effect was created with Snorlax in mind. Since Snorlax is already not swift afoot, the decrease in Spd doesn't matter, but the Atk/Def is what turns this sleepy giant into a team sweeper. The basic concept is use Curse multiple times, allowing your opponent to attack, then Rest to cure all lost HP and rid it of any status, and then proceed to destroy any opponent. The rest of the moveset is basically preference. Body Slam might not have the power that Return does, but its paralyzing effect can make up for it. Personally, I would go for the power since Body Slam would require an extra Curse to do equal or more damage to Return, meaning Return allows you to start attacking sooner. Shadow Ball rips through Ghosts and Psychics that are stupid enough to stay in, but Earthquake takes down Tyranitar and Metagross. Fire Blast is for the truly paranoid, that fear Skarmory or even Forretress the most. Simply the best. |
I disagree that Snorlax is best. I think Heracross is much better. Curselax is bleh these days and you didnt mention the other kinds of Snorlax.
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I am afraid "Heracross is much better" and "Curselax is bleh" fail miserably as arguments. Here, again, are the reasons why Snorlax is the best:
- High base HP and SAtk, along with its type, allow it to absorb many special attacks. - It's lack of speed make it the perfect candidate for Curse. - Curse increases its Atk and Def by 1 level every time it is used. (I believe the max is 6) - It can withstand physical attacks as easily as special attacks after 2 Curses. - Rest replenishes ALL lost HP and curses it of ANY status ailment. - After using Rest, it cannot attack for two turns, while the opponent has to, giving it an advantage in stalling against almost all other Pokemon. I didn't mention the many other movesets that Snorlax can use (namely Stalkerlax which is my favorite) because all of them are inferior to Curselax. It is this moveset that makes it such a beast and the strongest Pokemon in the game. |
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- High base HP and SAtk, along with its type, allow it to absorb many special attacks. Ok, first of all, it has a SAtk base stat of 65, which is hardly high. Also Blissey and many other special walls can special wall much better than Curselax. It's lack of speed make it the perfect candidate for Curse. This is true, but who says a wall has to be fast? Any wall could have curse and use it - they dont have to be slow to use curse, almost any sweeper will outspeed them anyway. Curse increases its Atk and Def by 1 level every time it is used. (I believe the max is 6) Thank you captain obvious. But seriously, many other pokemon can use curse as well. Rest replenishes ALL lost HP and curses it of ANY status ailment. Captain Obvious strikes again! Pretty much ANY pokemon can learn rest, FYI. After using Rest, it cannot attack for two turns, while the opponent has to, giving it an advantage in stalling against almost all other Pokemon. Ok...not quite seeing your logic here...having a two turn loss of movement is good how? Why is the opponent at a DISADVANTAGE because they can attack? This makes no sense. Any other arguments? I'll admit, Curselax and his brethren are cool, but he is NOT the best pokemon. Not by a long shot. |
All of the strongest pokemons are ethier legendary or über(the über means über-powerful pokemon, why else should it be called über!)
But Breloom is almost unbeatable if trained right! Moveset: Giga Drain Leech Seed Sky Uppercut (something... currently Strength in lack of better moves...) Nature & EV's: I don't really care that much of that... Something with +Atk or +SAtk Or maybe Milotic: Moveset: Recover Ice Beam Surf Hypnosis/Dragonbreath Natures & EV's: Modest and if you have time, all EV's in Sp. Atk and Speed/Defense |
Hmm Curselax is strong but now I'm remembering my old Blaziken. It was awesome. With Sky Uppercut and Blaze Kick it was my best. Now I think it might be Blaziken. Yes.
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Milotic is pretty strong when it has the right moves, but Starmie can get pretty powerful when it has it's electric attacks so I'm kind of undicided.
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Skarmory is possibly one of the strongest pokemon ever, being immune to 2 types and being resistant to 9 types and only being weak against 2 types and 4 other types giving average damage, with this moveset, it is very strong:
Air Slash Damage: 75 Accuracy: 95% PP: 20 Rock Slide Damage: 75 Accuracy: 95% PP: 10 Night Slash Damage: 70 Accuracy: 100% PP: 15 Steel Wing Damage: 70 Accuracy: 90% PP: 25 It is stronger against Electric than Fire as most Electric moves are physical with Skarmorys being very strong in Defense, but Fire is most effective as the moves are Special and Skarmorys being quite weak in SP.Def. Also, with Razor Claw, Skarmorys can be very effective! |
Although Snorlax is strong, I think that Lapras is the strongest Pokemon.
Lapras's greatest weakness is electric attacks, though even these do not do a great deal of damage to Lapras. Lapras can also learn a variety of super effective attacks which make it nearly invincible. A Lapras with an Enigma Berry is. . . . just unstoppable. Ice Beam Ice Beam is a very effective attack that does quite a bit of damage, and may freeze the opponent. This attack is one of my personal favorites due to it's high accuracy rate. Thunderbolt This attack can be learned by Lapras [I taught it to mine yesterday] and it protects Lapras from its slight disadvantage to other water types. This attack, like Ice Beam, has a possibility to incapacitate the opponent. Psychic Another attack that has an occasional dual effect ---- psychic in itself is a very powerful attack, but it may also confuse the opponent. Hydro Pump Hydro Pump is just a very powerful attack. That is why Lapras is the best. Ever. |
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Starmie would work much better with that moveset than would Lapras
It gets STAB psychic and surf/hydro pump. It can also learn BoltBeam combine that with good Speed and SAtk. Not to mention rapid spinning abilities. I don't know if I would call Starmie best though. Gengar would probably be a better special sweeper even. Walls are fine and dandy, but they bore me. I like pokemon who will do some damage. |
Lapras is freaking BL.
Also another good Pokemon would definitely have to be Suicune. It has it's fair amount of counters, but when used correctly it's extremely annoying to take down. With bulk on both defensive sides, Suicune can be a complete monster if it gets to set up. Roar will take care of any other Pokemon that tries to set up on it, and Substitute is a nice move to Pressure stall low PP moves out of their PP, but not used very often. Anyways, it's basic strategy is to just Calm Mind up and set a sweep, with Rest to recover off the excess damage. Then, it sets for a sweep with its average Speed, but the extra bulk in it's arena. It's a monster if you let it set up, and can counter opposing Snorlax with Roar. Snorlax and Suicune are two definite candidates for the best Pokemon. |
Tyranitar gets my vote, he is just so damn diverse that half the time he will take your team by surprise and drop your pokemon like nobodies business.
His only real let downs are his speed and his quad weakness to fighting, but with Dragon Dance that only really leaves his fighting weakness (among others mind you). Sandstream just makes this guy hella annoying as well, negating leftovers for all those non rock/steel/ground types out there. |
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Well, since Thick fat is there, it leaves it vulnerable to annoyers. THEY WILL STATUS YOU. There not just gonna mind a large and heavy behemoth raise its stats. Sure, rest is there but what happens if you are asleep for three turns? You have Leftovers there to heal you but no instant wake... They will attack you physically because his base Def. stat is 65... (Not cursed) Hazers are a good counter as its stats increase.Or, a slower death with the Evasion Clause and Toxic, Will-o-the-wisp or Leech seed. A few weaknesses... Quote:
OU's like Salamence and Metagross http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/e/ea/Spr_3e_376.gif [email protected]/Quick claw Characteristic: Clear Body EVs: /252 Attack /252 Sp.Def./ 6 Hp Sassy Earhquake Meteor Mash Psychic Shadowball Metagross does have at least one thing going for it in my book, and that would be its incredible type combo. An awesome and unique dual type is something that isn't limited to legendaries, and Metagross is fortunate enough to be possessed of one of the very best. A Steel/Psychic marriage yields many resistances and few weaknesses (none of which are compounded), and while I would've rather seen this combo on an average Pokemon who could really use such an advantage (as opposed to a pseudo-legendary with the stats to make even a sucky type combo like Fire/Rock work), I will say I'm satisfied to see that it made its way into the game at all. http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/2/25/Spr_3e_373.gif [email protected]/Scope lens Trait: Intimidate EVs: 4 HP/252Atk/252Speed(Dunno?) Mild Aerial Ace Dragon Claw Earthquake Fire Blast/Hydro Pump Definitely the most unexpected Mixed Sweeper in R/S/E Aerial and D-CLaw for STAB Hydro or BLast for those annoying mid-class sweepers and Earthquake for that grand physical sweep. http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/b/b9/Spr_3e_257.gif "ZOMG BLAZIKEN FTW HE PWNS ALL N00BS" |
Gyarados, seriously, as soon as he got EQ he can beat the game with ease...
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I know a lv 100 Blaziken can Beat the E4 without taking any damage(exept for sharpedo) in R/S but not E(Wallace) otherwise i'd say Flygon,fast,strong and cool
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Any level 100 could take on the E4...This is competitive battling, with EVs and all. Ya know?
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Im not sure if this moveset counts in R/S/E but ill post it anyways cause I simply love it
[email protected] Trait: Synchronize Attacks: Toxic Mean Look Baton Pass Wish I know that a taunt or a substitute would completely ruin this moveset, but it has set me up alot of the battles oh and Sornlax > Herracross |
I think some people aren't quite getting the point to this thread. Or maybe I am not.
1. This is only for up to RSE (DPP Pokemon and DPP movesets don't count) 2. This is only for non Uber/Lengendary Pokemon 3. This has nothing to do with beating the game. ANY Lv100 Poekmon sweeps the Weak 5 with ease. This thread, again unless I am reading into it wrong, is about the strongest overall non-Legendary Pokemon in the game. Strongest doesn't just mean the highest Atk or SAtk, but also strong defensively. With that in mind, while I love using Metagross and Salamence (especially on the same team as they compliment each other very nicely), neither has the staying power of Snorlax. Earthquake ruins Meta's day and Ice Beam takes out Salamence quite easily. Sure there is Roar/Whirlwind and Psych Up out there, but they are much less common than EQ/IB. Rest also removes Toxic, and if you fear Toxic that much, just go with Immunity over Thick Fat. No worries. Umby is also one of the strongest defensively with a truly great moveset. It just lacks any offensive punch to speak of. Blaziken and Gyarados, due to bad typing, are just too weak defensively to even come close. |
Just saying that shanecdavis is right. this thread is for pokemon up to R/S/E, which means only items and moves up to R/S/E as well. Also, the only great argument i've seen so far defending a pokemon is by shanecdavis, although i don't really understand the whole "two turn stalling advantage w/rest" either. However, in light of the posts so far, i'd like to re-present my defense of heracross:
Quite frankly, heracross has one of the best movepools in the game considering his types. a STAB Megahorn = 180 ATK, taking advantage of 125 base ATK, and for my personal Heracross, 372 ATK. Also, Heracross gets STAB Reversal. I'm actually not sure what the ATK for Reversal is when HP is at 1, but i'm sure that w/STAB it is above 250 (if some1 could confirm this that would be great, i haven't found anything figuring Reversal damage). A battle between a Heracross and Curselax would, IMO, be closer than it appears. On Serebii, Heracross base ATK = 125 and Snorlax base DEF = 65. Entering this information on a damage calculator (from marriland), the damage was 250-294. assuming a Curse on that turn and Heracross going first next, that looks like a KO to me. However, i may be missing something, i haven't actually tried this, and if someone shows me something disproving this theory with actual evidence backing it up, i will accept it. Edit: just went to psypoke and did damage calculation on lvl 100 Heracross w/1 HP vs. lvl 100 Snorlax w/full HP and sleep. says average damage would be 902.5. just saying. |
Here is the Reversal chart:
0% - 3.124% HP remaining - Base Damage 200 3.125% - 9.374% HP remaining - Base Damage 150 9.375% - 20.3124% HP remaining - Base Damage 100 20.3125% - 34.374% HP remaining - Base Damage 80 34.375% - 67.1874% HP remaining - Base Damage 40 67.1875% - 100% HP remaining - Base Damage 20 I do agree that head-to-head Heracross has an advantage over Snorlax. That said, I don't think that makes Heracross better. There isn't a Pokemon in the game that doesn't have a weakness of some sort. For example, Skarmory can come in on Heracross, put up a Sub the first turn (regardless if Heracross uses Endure or Rock Slide) and then use Drill Peck (regardless if Heracross uses Reversal or gambles with Endure again). Does that make Skarmory better? I don't think so. As I said before, Skarmory is DEFINITELY one of the best due to its terrific typing and stats, but it just doesn't have the offensive firepower. Heracross is the exact opposite. It has terrific offensive firepower, top 5, but its mediocre defense combined with that nasty 4x Flying weakness just doesn't make it as well-rounded as Snorlax. |
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