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Jake♫ November 1st, 2008 7:09 PM

My New Platinum RMT
 
So I decided to the advent of Deoxys-S going Uber (HECK YES!), I thought I could start off fresh with a new team (And wait out the time that Skymin lands there :)). But first, I'm apologizing to BeachBoy and Magmortified, as I took some of their mojo and put it in here.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/spiritomb.png
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Careful Nature
Pressure
252 HP/140 Atk/116 SpD
Sucker Punch/Taunt
Pursuit/Taunt
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split

I'm sorry, but I love this thing to death. It has always been a successful lead for me, and it is in my top 10 favorite Pokémon, so I continue to use it. WoW for burning stuff obviously, Pain Split to recover. I definitely want to switch one of the first slots with Taunt, although it might not be worth it, as every other lead that generally uses SR/Taunt outspeeds me, so it renders it pretty useless. Overall, a great lead.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/snorlax.png
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Careful Nature
Thick Fat
168 HP/120 Def/220 SpD
Curse
Whirlwind
Earthquake/Crunch
Body Slam

Wait, what? Whirlwind? Actually, Snorlax can be a pretty good PHazer in the metagame, as its slower speed can allow them to try to boost, and then force the switch, waisting their turn. Self explanatory nature, Earthquake for coverage (Although I'm seriously thinking about switching for Crunch), and Body Slam for it's Para Hax chance and solid STAB.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/gliscor.png
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Impish Nature
Sand Veil
252 HP/216 Spe/ 40 Def
Earthquake
Roost
Fire Fang
Stealth Rock

Sets up some rocks for me, which is always great in the offensive metagame we seem to have today. Fire Fang eats Scizor and spits it out, as well as other Steel levitators (I'm looking at you Bronzong) that attempt to wall it. Also allows me to actually hit Skarmory (Although not too well). Earthquake for STAB, Roost for recovery.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/vaporeon.png
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Bold Nature
Water Absorb
188 HP/252 Def/68 SpA
Surf
Ice Beam/Toxic
HP Electric
Wish

My Gyarados counter, as well as my Wish passing friend here. Surf for STAB, HP Electric for Gyarados (Obvious :P), Wish for well, Wish Passing. The toss up between Ice Beam and Toxic is a little tough for me, as I'm not totally sure what my team really needs at this point in time.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/machamp.png
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Adamant Nature
Guts
252 Atk/128 HP/128 Spe
Close Combat
Payback
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch

Bye bye Tyranitar, as you get OHKOed by this monster's Close Combat (Then again, why would it stay in on it?) Although this set needs proper prediction, it RIPS through many opponents without any second thoughts, Although it isn't as durable as the Rest Talk variant, CB Champ is still an awesome contender and shouldn't ever be taken lightly


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Adamant Nature
Sniper
168 HP/188 Atk/ 152 Spe
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Rest
Sleep Talk


The duo of Jirachi and Kingdra just compliment each other quite well (Again, pat yourselves on the back). Since I'm not doing double dance, Sniper for the greater critical damage. Dragon Dance, Waterfall, and Outrage are all self-explanatory. That last move slot is kind of a filler, but I want to use something useful in it. So I need help deciding there.

Overall, this is a more defense oriented team (Holy crap, they all hold leftovers?). Although it kind of goes against the offensive metagame these days, why be afraid to be different?

Problems I See:

  • The fact that Skarmory/Forretress completely walls me. Although HP Electric on Vappy can hit it, the second it roosts it becomes totally useless. Fire Fang on Glisor barely hits it, so I need a more reliable Electric/Fire attack to hit with. Need suggestions on what to replace there.
Possible Changes:
  • Killing off Spiritomb for something more offensive oriented (More than likely :P)
  • Delete CroRachi for something to stop T-Tar from running rampant on my entire team (Not sure what...) Done, CB Champ in place
  • Adding another Sleep Talker (Maybe changing Kingdra, or adding Machamp in place of CroRachi) Kingdra changed to a Sleep Talker

Noir Lancer November 1st, 2008 7:31 PM

Taunt > Stealth Rock on Gliscor or Choice Specs on Vaporeon can help with the Skarm/Forry problems you say you have.

Sorry, I can't give a full rate at the moment.

. November 1st, 2008 7:36 PM

CroRachi is just inviting Tyranitar to come in and 2HKO half your team. Choice Banded Stone Edge does 84.87%-100.00% to your Spiritomb. Your entire team has no true answer to it, as even your Gliscor takes 96.05%-114.12% from Ice Punch.

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Adamant
184/252 Att/74 Spe
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Crunch
Ice Punch

You have nothing to handle that monster, which is why I reccomend a Machamp to cover this weakness up. Rest-Talk Machamp specifically.

Dark Azelf November 1st, 2008 7:36 PM

Why does celebi wall your entire team lol ?


Sub dra still sucks


What i suggest is getting rid of croRachi since the metagame just goes roflcopter at it (im looking at heatran, scizor and tyranitar etc). Something more offensive would be in your best intrests, tomb doesnt do much either tbh, but meh. So yeah replace awfulRachi.

If you want a rest talker in its place ;


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168 HP / 188 Atk / 152 Speed
Adamant Nature
Trait : Sniper
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Bump your gliscors speed to 308 and use a jolly nature or ice punch Lucario goes lololol.



This is one of those "balanced teams" which are easilly stalled and easilly swept, you are best picking offense or stall. =x



Ill come back for a better rate later.

Jake♫ November 1st, 2008 7:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir Lancer (Post 4087897)
Taunt > Stealth Rock on Gliscor or Choice Specs on Vaporeon can help with the Skarm/Forry problems you say you have.

Sorry, I can't give a full rate at the moment.

I need the SR Support :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vance (Post 4087916)
CroRachi is just inviting Tyranitar to come in and 2HKO half your team. Choice Banded Stone Edge does 84.87%-100.00% to your Spiritomb. Your entire team has no true answer to it, as even your Gliscor takes 96.05%-114.12% from Ice Punch.

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Adamant
184/252 Att/74 Spe
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Crunch
Ice Punch

You have nothing to handle that monster, which is why I reccomend a Machamp to cover this weakness up. Rest-Talk Machamp specifically.

And this is why I ask for rates :P I do love Machamp, but I'm always more partial to the CB Set, as I can always Rest Talk on Kingdra as D_A has pointed out, right now it's a total toss up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4087917)
Why does celebi wall your entire team lol ?


Sub dra still sucks


What i suggest is getting rid of croRachi since the metagame just goes roflcopter at it (im looking at heatran, scizor and tyranitar etc). Something more offensive would be in your best intrests, tomb doesnt do much either tbh, but meh. So yeah replace awfulRachi.

If you want a rest talker in its place ;


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168 HP / 188 Atk / 152 Speed
Adamant Nature
Trait : Sniper
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Bump your gliscors speed to 308 and use a jolly nature or ice punch Lucario goes lololol.



This is one of those "balanced teams" which are easilly stalled and easilly swept, you are best picking offense or stall. =x



Ill come back for a better rate later.

Advice taken for Glisor, but what should I kill Spiritomb off with?

Aurafire November 1st, 2008 7:49 PM

Not a lot of fire power on this team...It's way too defensive, and like D_A said, you're easily set up on.

I like taunt over > SR as well on Gliscor, or else he turns into an uber set-up fodder.

CroRachi needs to go...It's not doing much, and can be replaced with a more powerful sweeper to give you some offense that this team definitely needs. There's a bunch of options here, I can't really name them all =(

Defensive isn't really viable anymore with todays attack-oriented metagame. To copy D_A again, either go with full-out stall or add some offense.

DonRoyale November 1st, 2008 8:04 PM

CBChamp >> CroRachi.

Machamp @ Choice Band
Adamant / Guts
EV's: 128 HP / 252 Attack / 128 Speed
-Close Combat
-Payback
-Ice Punch
-Thunderpunch

As stated earlier, you're TTar weak.
(Vance, you seriously say that too much. :#)

Jake♫ November 1st, 2008 8:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonRoyale (Post 4088048)
CBChamp >> CroRachi.

Machamp @ Choice Band
Adamant / Guts
EV's: 128 HP / 252 Attack / 128 Speed
-Close Combat
-Payback
-Ice Punch
-Thunderpunch

As stated earlier, you're TTar weak.
(Vance, you seriously say that too much. :#)

Done :P And D_A, if you could give me the EV Spread for 308 Spe Glisor I'd appreciate it :P

DonRoyale November 1st, 2008 8:27 PM

252 HP / 216 Speed / 40 Attack (or 40 Defense, not sure), Jolly. Considering I have my numbers right...:#

Jake♫ November 1st, 2008 8:29 PM

Thank you very much Don, greatly appreciated

DonRoyale November 1st, 2008 8:42 PM

Wait, there's a Smogon set specifically for countering Ice Punch (or HP Ice) Lucario. Shift 12 of its Defense EV's into Attack so that OHKOing it with Earthquake is assured. The rest is fine as is. (It says to run 218 Speed, but 218 / 4 = 54.5, so it's just 2 extra EV's that do moot. 216 is fine; it makes no difference anyway.)

DarkTyphlosion157 November 2nd, 2008 4:18 AM

Make sure to run your own calcs before fulling listening to Smogon, mind.

Prefer if you went a bit close to equalizing HP and Defence on Gliscor. But thats just me.

SpAtk is absolutely useless with Garchom: P being uber now. It was useless as soon as YacheChomp became popular to be honest 124 HP/252 Def/132 SpDef is superior really, Vaporeon finds itself taking on more special attackers nowadays. Protect over Ice Beam/Toxic.

Oh yeah, and CBChamp isn't really that great at stopping Tyranitar.

Also you have problems with Scizor, Gliscor isn't that good of a counter from my experience, and Ice Punch Heracross weak.

Gam3r47 November 3rd, 2008 5:26 PM

Looks like a good team just becareful about scizor

StrickeN November 3rd, 2008 5:34 PM

Wow, you have 1 *counts again* yes 1 special sweeper :P

Vappy goes bye bye and physical walls/tanks block about everything you can throw.

Your also very defensive orientated, with the use of 3 known physical walls

As to WHAT to put in place of the others, I'm not sure, as I haven't taken an extremely hard glare at your team.

The Abyss November 4th, 2008 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StrickeN (Post 4094040)
Wow, you have 1 *counts again* yes 1 special sweeper :P

Vappy goes bye bye and physical walls/tanks block about everything you can throw.

Your also very defensive orientated, with the use of 3 known physical walls

As to WHAT to put in place of the others, I'm not sure, as I haven't taken an extremely hard glare at your team.

Look on the bright...Less Blissey fodder. IMO Dynamicpunch>CC for Machamp with No Guard but if you need to stay with CC. I s'pose Guts is needed?

Archer November 4th, 2008 1:52 AM

True, CB Champ is unable to counter TTar as reliably as it should. I really suggest going with the ResTalk set. If you still want a Choice Bander, then CBSnorlax is a viable option. Especially with either Pursuit/Explosion, you are able to take out all Psychic/Ghost or Special threats respectively.

I'll give you the sets, should you choose to use them.


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