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Bonzai-Cat November 1st, 2008 9:27 PM

Lt. Surge the American
 
Alright In the Game they describe Lt. Surge as the Lightning American. What I wish to know, is he an American in the Japanese version of the game, or did they merely call him that for the Western versions of the game?

icomeanon6 November 1st, 2008 9:31 PM

I haven't played the games in Japanese, but you can tell from how he's drawn that he's meant to be an American soldier.

ErickaVolt November 1st, 2008 10:08 PM

Yeah. Look at his face and the clothes he's wearing. He's really an American.

Slin November 2nd, 2008 6:02 AM

I don't play the japanese games srry...

IIMarckus November 2nd, 2008 5:57 PM

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89/iimarckus/bulba/greensurge.png
クチバ シティ ポケモン ジム リーダー マチス イナズマ アメリカン!
Kuchiba City Pokémon Gym leader: Machisu, Lightning American!

Yu_&_Rei November 2nd, 2008 6:04 PM

ok that proves hes really american. I guess in the japanese for Fantina she would also be american.

DGexe November 2nd, 2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamachi (Post 4091429)
ok that proves hes really american. I guess in the japanese for Fantina she would also be american.

I thought Fatina was (according to her accent in the English versions; not sure about Japanese) French? She peppers her speech with French words and phrases...


But on topic, mostly, yeah... Lt. Surge is American, as it has already been pointed out. ^^;

Azzurra November 3rd, 2008 12:58 AM

Lieutenant Surge is 100% American, look at his face, and his clothes.
It's obvious that he has been serving in the armed forces.

coolcatkim22 November 3rd, 2008 5:19 PM

Ash: You're not American! You're not even wearing a flag on your head.
Lt. Surge: You're right. I must have left it back home. In America.

FairyGarland November 3rd, 2008 5:26 PM

He pretty obviously seems American.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ November 3rd, 2008 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGexe (Post 4091909)
I thought Fatina was (according to her accent in the English versions; not sure about Japanese) French? She peppers her speech with French words and phrases...

I believe she was made French for the American release. Her Japanese name is Merisa/Melissa, which is American. At least that's what I heard.

Back on topic, the Japanese screencap pretty much verifies that Surge is American. Does anyone know if he uses American phrases when you speak to him in the Japanese version?

Bonzai-Cat November 3rd, 2008 6:17 PM

Well now that it is Unanimously been said that Lt. Surge is American. Does anyone feel weird that knowing in the world of Pokemon there is America? Something about that just ruins the fantasy of Pokemon

Red1530 November 3rd, 2008 6:31 PM

I actually like the fact that Lt. Surge is an American because it adds a little realism to the game.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ November 3rd, 2008 6:35 PM

Not at all. In my fan-fiction's universe, America is a very real part of the world - my main character's even from South Carolina! With Lt. Surge an American, it clearly shows that the Pokemon canon (game-wise, at least) agrees that America does exist in the Pokemon world.

IIMarckus November 3rd, 2008 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPersian479 (Post 4094182)
Back on topic, the Japanese screencap pretty much verifies that Surge is American. Does anyone know if he uses American phrases when you speak to him in the Japanese version?

English words are sprinkled throughout the text, and he uses occasional phrases like “Poor little boy” composed entirely of English words.

Master Control Program November 3rd, 2008 8:06 PM

I think all of the real world references they make in the games (they made them especially in the original games and as such the remakes) kind of ruin the Pokemon mythology for me. Mew being found in South American is ridiculous, and Lt. Surge being an American, etc... All of the Pokemon games take place in made up regions of a nation and at this point are now featuring Pokemon that control space and time, Pokemon that helped create the universe (Mesprit, Azelf, Uxie), and a Pokemon deity (Arceus). Referencing the real world ruins this, because they're now making Pokemon practically a religion in the games. It ruins the fantasy.

See Final Fantasy games, Lord of the Rings, etc. for good examples of fantasy worlds. Pokemon doesn't cut it.

coolcatkim22 November 4th, 2008 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Control Program (Post 4094488)
I think all of the real world references they make in the games (they made them especially in the original games and as such the remakes) kind of ruin the Pokemon mythology for me. Mew being found in South American is ridiculous, and Lt. Surge being an American, etc... All of the Pokemon games take place in made up regions of a nation and at this point are now featuring Pokemon that control space and time, Pokemon that helped create the universe (Mesprit, Azelf, Uxie), and a Pokemon deity (Arceus). Referencing the real world ruins this, because they're now making Pokemon practically a religion in the games. It ruins the fantasy.

See Final Fantasy games, Lord of the Rings, etc. for good examples of fantasy worlds. Pokemon doesn't cut it.

I always thought that the Pokemon world was some sort of earth. I mean, it has animals, plants, cultures and other things that are found here so why not.

Red1530 November 4th, 2008 4:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Control Program (Post 4094488)
I think all of the real world references they make in the games (they made them especially in the original games and as such the remakes) kind of ruin the Pokemon mythology for me. Mew being found in South American is ridiculous, and Lt. Surge being an American, etc... All of the Pokemon games take place in made up regions of a nation and at this point are now featuring Pokemon that control space and time, Pokemon that helped create the universe (Mesprit, Azelf, Uxie), and a Pokemon deity (Arceus). Referencing the real world ruins this, because they're now making Pokemon practically a religion in the games. It ruins the fantasy.

See Final Fantasy games, Lord of the Rings, etc. for good examples of fantasy worlds. Pokemon doesn't cut it.

I hate to break it to you, but all of the regions in the main RPG's are based on real locations. For example Kanto is based on the real-life Kanto in Japan and Orre is based on the state of Arizona.

Pingouin_7 November 4th, 2008 4:53 PM

... And Hoenn is a little Island on the south, and Sinnoh is Hokkaido.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3406/japanbo3.png

invisible-chan November 4th, 2008 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolcatkim22 (Post 4093981)
Ash: You're not American! You're not even wearing a flag on your head.
Lt. Surge: You're right. I must have left it back home. In America.

*dies* My hair thinks this is very hilarious.

Te-em November 15th, 2008 2:23 PM

Kantou is a place in Japan, just as it is in the Pokemon world.

Most people in the games with yellow hair are Americans. When you fight them they have English names like Johnny and Mike. They play a guitar and usually have electric Pokemon. At least in DP. I think they are from America. One of them speaks English when you talk to him (in Tobari City).

Skaterzpenguin November 15th, 2008 2:25 PM

Yes, in the japanese version they say Lt. Surge was the Lightning American soldier and had his electric pokemon on his side in war. ;]

yanamaru November 17th, 2008 2:58 PM

arcainine
 
It also says in arcanine's pokedex info that arcainine is thought as a legend in china... so china and america exist......

lol.. wonder if it says that in the chinese version....

Virtual Chatot November 17th, 2008 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonzai-Cat (Post 4094193)
Well now that it is Unanimously been said that Lt. Surge is American. Does anyone feel weird that knowing in the world of Pokemon there is America? Something about that just ruins the fantasy of Pokemon

I recall an episode in the anime where a certain magician wanted to perform in Las Vegas ;)

Ninja Caterpie November 17th, 2008 11:48 PM

It's not strange. In the Pokémon world, the regions are all just replacing parts of our world, and those regions grew Pokemon. Or just that only them got Pokémon put into them. So it isn't weird. I hope.


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