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crystalvelox November 2nd, 2008 9:02 PM

D/P Balanced OU Team
 
D/P Team. No Platiums move suggestions please.

Alright now that that is cleared up... Onto the team.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/aerodactyl.png
Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Jolly; 4 Hp/ 252 Atk/252 Spe
Rock Slide
Earthquake
Taunt
Stealth Rock

Now that Deoxys-S is uberized, Aerodactyl can rain supreme as the fastest taunter and stealth rock lead. As far as I know nothing can really prevent Aero from setting up stealth rock except for trick-choice scarf pokemon, which is too popular in platinum metagame thus I am not using this team in that environment, so that solves that problem.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/jirachi.png
Jirachi @ Light Clay
Jolly; 252 Hp/ 128 Def/ 128 SpD
U-Turn
Thunder Wave
Reflect
Light Screen

Since my favorite screener has been uberized (I like deoxys-s) this is my best result as a replacement. Instead of taunting pokemon this cripples them with paralysis and allows me to get a shield up. U-turn/Jolly allows me to escape dugtro and magnazone. Basically just stayed with Jolly/U-turn.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/suicune.png
Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold; 252 Hp/252 Def/ 4 SpD
Rest
Surf
Calm Mind
Sleep Talk

I have always like CroCune. It fits well on just about any team because it can status absorb, tank, and sweep all in one. This also takes on Jirachi's weaknesses (Fire and Earthquake) well.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/gengar.png
Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid; 252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Thunderbolt
Shadow ball
Focus Blast
HP Ice

Excellent Revenge-Killer. Not much more to say than that. Went with timid over modest as suggested along with Hp Ice over Hypnosis.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/lucario.png
Lucario @ Life Orb
Adamant; 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
Crunch
Close Combat
ExtremeSpeed
Swords Dance

So far the pokemon above got stopped by blissey and lacked physical power, so this covers that. Changed jolly for adamant and stayed with extremespeed as suggested.


http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/gyarados.png
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Adamant; 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Since I had a bit of a heatran problem this helps counter it. After one Dragon Dance everything without choice scarf is outspeed except for 130 Bases which are mostly used as leads anyways and will have been elimnated earlier.


Well that concludes my team. I would like to add a threat list, but I have never been good at isolating particular threats. Of any particular threats I can see it is the ever annoying status effects, but really what can you do about it most of the time. It is bound to happen. *shrugs*

Note: I have never used Blissey on one of my teams. Guess I have a biase against Bliseey or something.


Again no Platinum Suggestions.

Skip Shot November 2nd, 2008 9:15 PM

I can see a pretty nice Tyranitar weakness, who can outspeed Gar after a DD or two. I would make Gar Timid to counter this threat and revenge kill with Focus Blast, or you can go with Bullet Punch>> XSpeed on Luke. Crocune isn't going to help much on the Tar weakness though.

Jirachi and Aero are both more of Leads in their repsective situations. Maybe try running a Celebi set with Screens?

The Hero Without a Name November 2nd, 2008 9:18 PM

...DDTar can't outspeed Timid Scarfgar even after 2 DD's.

crystalvelox November 2nd, 2008 9:30 PM

Aero gets lead priorty over jirachi. It gets stealth rock up for sure which if not set up in the first turn is very difficult to set up after that. Also Jirachi has better typing versus celebi.

Timid it is than :)

Postman November 2nd, 2008 9:41 PM

Aero doesn't have a weakness to rock..

Aurafire November 2nd, 2008 9:52 PM

Luke doesn't care too much about that extra speed with Jolly. Yeah, you'll outspeed maybe a few threats, but you might miss that extra attack late game when he's trying to sweep. Up to you though.

I don't see too much else...Except Wish/U-turn is a more potent support combo for Jirachi. Perhaps drop one of your screens and add wish in if you like.

Not bad, I might come back.

luke November 3rd, 2008 6:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanye West (Post 4091853)
Aero doesn't have a weakness to rock..

Yes it does. The Rock-type doesn't resist itself, thus making Rock-type attacks super effective on Aerodactyl.

StrickeN November 3rd, 2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 4091786)
D/P Team. No Platiums move suggestions please.

Alright now that that is cleared up... Onto the team.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/aerodactyl.png
Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Jolly; 4 Hp/ 252 Atk/252 Spe
Rock Slide
Earthquake
Taunt
Stealth Rock
Fine
Now that Deoxys-S is uberized, Aerodactyl can rain supreme as the fastest taunter and stealth rock lead. As far as I know nothing can really prevent Aero from setting up stealth rock except for trick-choice scarf pokemon, which is too popular in platinum metagame thus I am not using this team in that environment, so that solves that problem.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/jirachi.png
Jirachi @ Light Clay
Jolly/Timid; 252 Hp/ 128 Def/ 128 SpD
U-Turn/Icy Wind
Thunder Wave
Reflect
Light Screen
Fine
Since my favorite screener has been uberized (I like deoxys-s) this is my best result as a replacement. Instead of taunting pokemon this cripples them with paralysis and allows me to get a shield up. U-turn/Jolly allows me to escape dugtro and magnazone. Icy Wind/Timid can allow me to slow ground types and other pokemon that absorb thunder wave. Of the 2 option I can not decide which is better :/

Also I thought Uxie could to the same thing with the same everything, but with u-turn/jolly since it can not learn icy wind. Again I do not know which of the 2 are better for this particular role as both seem to have + and -.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/suicune.png
Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold; 252 Hp/252 Def/ 4 SpD
Rest
Surf
Calm Mind/Roar
Sleep Talk
Might consider roar over CM, as it helps you with PHazing, and I see a lack of that on this team.
I have always like CroCune. It fits well on just about any team because it can status absorb, tank, and sweep all in one. This also takes on Jirachi's weaknesses (Fire and Earthquake) well.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/gengar.png
Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid; 252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Thunderbolt
Shadow ball
Focus Blast
HP ice
HP ice is standard over Hypnosis, as it gives you "BoltBeam" type coverage, and helps with drags such as the DDOutrage Mence you see so much these days.
You outspeed even after 1 DD and OHKO with HP ice :)

Excellent Revenge-Killer. Not much more to say than that.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/lucario.png
Lucario @ Life Orb
Adament; 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
Crunch
Close Combat
ExtremeSpeed/Bullet Punch
Swords Dance
Adament is standard over Jolly , and Espeed is the prefered choice as it OHKO's the likes of Infernape, after 1 SD. Outspeeding a few minimal threats with Jolly doesnt' help too much to be honest, as with Adament, and this EV spread, you OHKO a lot of his usual counters, thus including Hippowdown (with rocks up), Cress and the likes.
So far the pokemon above got stopped by blissey and lacked physical power, so this covers that. With jolly I cover a lot of pokemon and outspeed many pokemon that might have spread of EVs to outrun adamant lucario. I have thought of bullet punch over extreme speed to be able to hit faster ghosts before they hit me.


http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/gyarados.png
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Adamant; 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Fine
Since I had a bit of a heatran problem this helps counter it. After one Dragon Dance everything without choice scarf is outspeed except for 130 Bases which are mostly used as leads anyways and will have been elimnated earlier.


Well that concludes my team. I would like to add a threat list, but I have never been good at isolating particular threats. Of any particular threats I can see it is the ever annoying status effects, but really what can you do about it most of the time. It is bound to happen. *shrugs*

Note: I have never used Blissey on one of my teams. Guess I have a biase against Bliseey or something.


Again no Platinum Suggestions.

Few comments in bold, a lot of 252 spreads I see, but I guess those sets do work pretty well on the chosen pokemon.

crystalvelox November 3rd, 2008 1:29 PM

Thanks for the input so far. Fixed the small things (natures and HP ice).

I'll keep the idea of wish/u-turn for jirachi open. I think maybe leftovers over light clay if I did. Same with roar instead of calm mind. Not sure which I will use for sure. With shields up from jirachi roar might be better as I could take more hits, seen more of there team. Any idea on wether icy wind/timid vs u-turn/jolly is better for my jirachi?

Any other weakness apart from the forementioned tyranitar?

StrickeN November 3rd, 2008 1:59 PM

Uturn definantly, as then Dugtrio lolz @ you trying to hurt him.

Light Clay really is better than your lefties, as 5 turns goes pretty quickly.

crystalvelox November 3rd, 2008 3:30 PM

If you look at battle damage the jirachi I have now has a chance to 2HKO Dugtrio with Icy Wind provided No HP/SpD EVs and a better chance with stealth rock (Unsure about the precentage of 2HKOing. And with the speed drop Jirachi would be faster allowing me to finish off dugtrio. So both U-turn and Icy Wind are effective against Dugtrio.

StrickeN November 3rd, 2008 4:53 PM

CBTrio will do quite a dent with out Reflect up, and from your EV spread I can run a calc on the amount of damage it will do.

So gimme a min, and I'll edit this.

OK I got the Damage Calc done

CBTrio with no Reflect up:
Min Avg Max
345 376.27 406

As you can see, wiht out a reflect up, his max damage hit, will OHKO your rachi.

Not to mention Uturn is better for Tbolt/sub magnezone, who completely walls the set with Icy Wind.

crystalvelox November 5th, 2008 6:16 PM

Alright I'll go with U-turn/Jolly.

Just wondering. Does anyone think that I need to switch out gyarados for another pokmeon or change it to a bulky gyarados? I do not really seem to need 2 physical sweepers. Lucario seems to function fine by itself for late game. I think I could get more team synergy from switching out Gyarados with something else.

BeachBoy November 9th, 2008 3:19 AM

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