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JezzaRules November 6th, 2008 8:47 PM

TMs you used and haven't regretted on?
 
Well for me, it'd be teaching my Swablu Ice Beam and my Charizard Dragon Claw ^^.
When my Swablu evolved into an Altaria, Ice Beam definately helped me dozens of times. As for my Charizards Dragon Claw, I didn't need to resolve using my other dragon/ice pokemon against Drake (the dragon trainer in the Elite Four).

shanecdavis November 6th, 2008 9:16 PM

These are basically what I use TMs on:

Focus Punch - Gengar
Dragon Claw - [email protected]
Calm Mind - Mew/Celebi
Roar - Suicune
Toxic - Crobat
Taunt - Gyarados
Ice Beam - Swampert
Light Screen - Zapdos
Rain Dance - Kingdra/Ludicolo
Thunderbolt - Gardevoir
Thunder - Kyogre
Earthquake - Salamence/Flygon
Return - Snorlax
Psychic - Electabuzz
Shadow Ball - Metagross
Brick Break - Salamence
Sludge Bomb - Crobat
Fire Blast - Salamence
Aerial Ace - Salamence/Swellow
Rest - Suicune/Snorlax

The other I don't typically bother with.

JollyRoger25 November 6th, 2008 9:21 PM

Yeah, I usally don't bother with TMs, for me there just good objects to find randomly and sell for a high price.

shanecdavis November 6th, 2008 9:44 PM

TMs can transform an average Pokemon into a good Pokemon. Look at Crobat for example. Here is the best moveset it can have by only using moves it can learn:

Crobat @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Bite
- Confuse Ray
- Poison Fang
- Wing Attack

Decent moveset, but it doesn't have much staying power.

Now let's use a few TMs:

Crobat @ Choice Band
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Return / Steel Wing
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb

With the 50% Atk increase from Choice Band, and its Spd that matches Jolteon and Aerodactyl, this moveset can cause some serious damage. Aerial Ace and Sludge Bomb are two solid STAB attacks, Shadow Ball takes down Alakazam on the switch, and Return or Steel Wing is pure preference. Great fast physical attacker.

SkyPioneer November 6th, 2008 10:01 PM

Sludge Bomb is a special attack dude... It won't do an amazing amount of damage.

JollyRoger25 November 6th, 2008 10:04 PM

Man, I suck, see when I play pokemon games, I just go with my gut, without thinking about the stats, and what not. And all of you guys that I see on here are all professonal with the games. I'm not new, just weird.

Ninja Caterpie November 6th, 2008 10:08 PM

This is the Advance Generation area, dude. It'll be a Physical attack.

thethethethe November 6th, 2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Lakitu (Post 4102391)
This is the Advance Generation area, dude. It'll be a Special attack.

What?
In the Advanced Generation, Sludge Bomb is a Physical Attack due to it's poison type.
In DPPt, Sludge Bomb became a special attack.

SkyPioneer November 6th, 2008 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Lakitu (Post 4102391)
This is the Advance Generation area, dude. It'll be a Special attack.

I know.
Quote:

Man, I suck, see when I play pokemon games, I just go with my gut, without thinking about the stats, and what not. And all of you guys that I see on here are all professonal with the games. I'm not new, just weird.
Quote:

I'm not new, just weird.
I know.

Just kidding.
It's simple. Here are some pointers.
-Physical attacks (like Aerial Ace and Mach Punch) utilize the Attack stat. This means, the higher your attack, the more damage done.
-Special attacks (like Sludge Bomb and Psychic) utilize the Special Attack stat. These do more damage depending on your Special Attack, like I said with Physical attacks.
-STAB means Special Type Attack Bonus. Don't bother remembering it if you don't want to. All it means is that if your Pokemon's type is the same as the move it uses, it gets a slight boost.
-Be diverse with your moveset! Take this Swampert for example:
Muddy Water
Surf
Water Gun
Water Pulse

Now compare it to this Swampert:
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Hammer Arm

Sure, the first set lets you take out an army of fire pokemon. But the second set covers you against:
Fire
Ground
Rock
Grass(swampert's weakness)
Dark
Dragon
Flying
Steel
Normal
Electric
Poison

So that's 11 of the 16 types. Not bad for one Pokemon, eh?

-Secondly, learn to utilize Stat Boosts. Boosting your defenses will give your pokemon more time left in the field. Boosting your Offenses gives your opponent less time. And remember that stat boosts remain until you switch.
Also, look into Baton Passing. Have a Pokemon use a stat boost move, then use baton pass to pass the boosts to another pokemon. You can pass attack and defense boosts, subsitutes and (I think, don't quote me on this) future sight attacks.


Wow, one hell of a response.

Ninja Caterpie November 6th, 2008 10:39 PM

Wait, this is the Advance Generation, not the DPPt Section! Sludge Bomb's still a Physical move!

Sorry about my typo. xD

BrainWave November 6th, 2008 10:49 PM

Fire Blast on charmander. Its trump card when flamethrower's not enough.
Same goes for brick break which once 1-hit ko blissey.

shanecdavis November 7th, 2008 2:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPioneer (Post 4102381)
Sludge Bomb is a special attack dude... It won't do an amazing amount of damage.

This is the main reason I hate DDP. All it has done is create confusion. Sludge Bomb may be a special attack in that watered-down metagame, but here in ADVANCED GEN (RSE/FRLG) it is a physical attack. Before, you knew that a Poison-type attack was physical. Now you have to determine whether or not it is a contact move or not. One of the stupidest ideas GF ever came out with.

BTW - I wouldn't classify a 50% increase for a STAB move as a "little boost". That basically means when Blaziken uses Earthquake (which it shouldn't) it has a 100 Attack Power. When Swampert uses it though, it is 150 Attack Power. Pretty big difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainWave (Post 4102451)
Fire Blast on charmander. Its trump card when flamethrower's not enough.
Same goes for brick break which once 1-hit ko blissey.

Fire Blast is a bad idea on Charmander. 85% accuracy is not a good thing when you are banking on a trump card. The last thing you want it to do is miss when you need it the most.

JezzaRules November 7th, 2008 2:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainWave (Post 4102451)
Fire Blast on charmander. Its trump card when flamethrower's not enough.
Same goes for brick break which once 1-hit ko blissey.

Why waste Fire Blast on a Charmander when you have Blast Burn? Blast Burn is more of a trump card than Fire Blast.
It varies from version to version, it would be useful in Generation 1 and 2 though but not really in generation 3.

shanecdavis November 7th, 2008 2:38 AM

Blast Burn is even worse than Fire Blast. Not being to attack for a turn is never a good idea.

JezzaRules November 7th, 2008 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 4102616)
Blast Burn is even worse than Fire Blast. Not being to attack for a turn is never a good idea.

That's why it's a trump card. You use Blast burn as your last resort.

shanecdavis November 7th, 2008 2:49 AM

Ah, yes. I stand corrected. Thank you.

Ayouki Emerald November 7th, 2008 2:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 4102319)
These are basically what I use TMs on:

Focus Punch - Gengar

Gengar using focus punch with its base 65 attack stat.. It's horrible... I'd rather go with the special attack type Gengar.. Unless you make an Adamant Gengar...
Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPioneer (Post 4102381)
Sludge Bomb is a special attack dude... It won't do an amazing amount of damage.

It's physical, this is the AGG not DPP...
Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 4102616)
Blast Burn is even worse than Fire Blast. Not being to attack for a turn is never a good idea.

Blast Burn is far better than Fire BLast..(Trump. Hehe..) 150 base attack power. Your target will be KO'd even before you recharged...

shanecdavis November 7th, 2008 3:03 AM

Not just Adamant Gengar, but Choice Band Adamant Gengar. Too many people see Gengar and think "OMG Special Sweeper! Gotta get my special sponge out." Focus Punch on the switch ftw.

Ayouki Emerald November 7th, 2008 3:08 AM

So you are thinking both Sp. Atk and Atk. Gengar? Epic. Good idea.

shanecdavis November 7th, 2008 3:17 AM

No. Choice Band Gengar.

Gengar @ Choice Band
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Explosion/Shadow Ball
- Focus Punch
- Sludge Bomb
- Thunderbolt/Fire Punch

This set gets its Atk in the high 300s. Bring it in to take out special wall and it can be used to take down Skarmory too. Generally, a big surprise to your opponent.

I will also use the McGar set (Atk/SAtk version you alluded to) on occasion, just to mix things up:

- Focus Punch
- Giga Drain/Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Sweeps teams once Sub is up.

Azonic November 7th, 2008 4:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayouki Emerald (Post 4102632)
Blast Burn is far better than Fire BLast..(Trump. Hehe..) 150 base attack power. Your target will be KO'd even before you recharged...

Blast Burn is far worse than Fire Blast. It only offers about 75 power a turn, and has to be TRAPPED to recharge the next turn, allowing the opponent a free switch in or time to set up. It’s never good, not even as a last resort unless its on Porygon-Z, which doesn’t even exist yet.
Quote:

This set gets its Atk in the high 300s.
372 with max Attack IVs, Adamant nature, Choice band, and 252 Attack EVs. It’s special attack without Choice Band is still superior with a 394 with max IVs, Modest, no item, and 252 Sp.Atk EVs. But still, with the Choice Band set it gets use of it’s two STAB moves


shanecdavis November 7th, 2008 7:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayashi (Post 4102714)

Blast Burn is far worse than Fire Blast. It only offers about 75 power a turn, and has to be TRAPPED to recharge the next turn, allowing the opponent a free switch in or time to set up. It’s never good, not even as a last resort unless its on Porygon-Z, which doesn’t even exist yet.

You fell into the same trap I did, my friend. I had the same knee-jerk reaction. The original idea was that Blast Burn was better than Fire Blast as a trump card. While I believe if you have to rely on a trump card you have already lost, Blast Burn does provide at 225 AP (STAB calculated) 90% accurate move instead of a 180 AP 85% move. It wins on principal only. Bad news is that if you don't get the OHKO, you are screwed. Personally, I will take a 142.5 AP 100% Flamethrower move, since if I have to attack again, I do have to worry about (1) being trapped, or (2) missing.

Glitter Stain November 7th, 2008 1:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPioneer (Post 4102428)
Now compare it to this Swampert:
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Hammer Arm

Sure, the first set lets you take out an army of fire pokemon. But the second set covers you against:
Fire
Ground
Rock
Grass(swampert's weakness)
Dark
Dragon
Flying
Steel
Normal
Electric
Poison

So that's 11 of the 16 types. Not bad for one Pokemon, eh?

Wow, one hell of a response.

Since when was Hammer Arm an ADV move? (Not to mention, a typical ADV Pert set doesn't look like that.) Besides, no one would even use that first set. Your advice is rather officious since what you're saying is pretty obvious.

Lynnx November 7th, 2008 2:06 PM

Vaporeon - Ice Beam, Water Pulse, Surf
Pidgeot - Aerial Ace, Fly, Steel Wing
Aerodactyl - Earthquake (and Double-Edge & Rock Slide from Move Tutors)
Charizard - none
Raichu - Shock Wave, Strength
Clefable - Return, Softboiled, Psychic

These are pretty much all the TM's I used for my whole LeafGreen team. Some of them probably seem ridiculous, but it works perfectly well ingame. My favorites would probably have to be Ice Beam on Vaporeon, Earthquake on Aerodactyl and Psychic on Clefable, because I needed a move that would take advantage of Clefable's hefty Special Attack stat and cover her weakness to Fighting-types. I'm terrible at movesets, but they work for me.

shanecdavis November 7th, 2008 2:50 PM

The only criticism I would offer is to drop Water Pulse on Vaporeon. There is NEVER a time where you would use that instead of Surf. Use Substitute or Wish or Toxic or Protect or about 10 other moves that will actually benefit such a good Pokemon. I prefer Wish, but if your team is strictly in-game, you don't have to worry about it. Personally, I never use items during battle, just to make the game at least somewhat competitive.

Also, don't waste Aerial Ace on Pidgeot. Give that to Aerodactyl for a 2nd STAB move. Pidgeot is basically useless on your team, other than an HM Fly slave.


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