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deadmuffin November 20th, 2008 3:09 PM

Anyone else getting pissed off by movie adaptations?
 
well, hollywood writers have done it again, I have looked around the net to find such movies as the live action Dragonball (-_- already pissed off already), Star Trek , Green Hornet,Kick-ass, Where the wild things are, the endless slew of X-men backstories, and now...astro boy.....

anyone else agree with me that writers need to stop making adaptations and start, oh i dont know, WRITING!? I mean, astroboy? might as well make a gigantor movie now v_v

oni flygon November 20th, 2008 10:14 PM

Well, a lot of these movies are made to make a profit for the franchise. So these movies are written and made not only to appease the fans (well, some of them), but also to make it presentable towards a mainstream audience. Producers are expecting to make money, and of course that certain niche isn't enough to cover the cost of making the movies.

In a way, you can call it butchering...

But hey, I'm optimistic towards Astro Boy.

Oh, and some movie adaptations turn out to be as good or better than their original form of media.

ShadowofTime01 November 20th, 2008 11:07 PM

How does Star Trek fit into this? It's not an adaptation, it's a continuation of a the movie series, and it takes something from the TNG timeline and some how brings us back to before TOS, but it's still linear in terms of the movie series. At any rate it's a pseudo-reboot, more along the lines of Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace, not an adaptatioon... And Star Trek needs to come back to the big and small screen, it's sorely missed.

While I agree Dragon Ball looks horrible, completely destroys any integrity the story had and rapes us of our childhoods, I'm still going to go see it in theaters... maybe. And yes writers are reaching for stupid ideas, I just want to clarify that Star Trek is not one of those things...

Cherrim November 21st, 2008 5:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oni flygon (Post 4135610)
Well, a lot of these movies are made to make a profit for the franchise. So these movies are written and made not only to appease the fans (well, some of them), but also to make it presentable towards a mainstream audience. Producers are expecting to make money, and of course that certain niche isn't enough to cover the cost of making the movies.

In a way, you can call it butchering...

I agree with this and probably couldn't have put it better myself. :\

Yeah, it really sucks when they cut stuff out, but that's why it's an adaptation. Obviously things have to be cut out of a 700-page book or a 70 episode series (I actually can't remember how many eps DB has 8D) in order to make it work in theatres. Fans are supposed to be appeased because... hey, their fandom is getting more attention and they get to see someone else's take on the show/book/etc. as well as see their favourite characters portrayed a different way and on the big screen. But like oni flygon said, the director also has to make sure the movie will appeal to peopleoutside the fandom too--so that people who've never heard of things like Dragon Ball before will see the trailer and want to go watch the movie.

:( That's how things work but... I for one feel that any movie is better than no movie. If it's terribly bad? You get to watch it and laugh at how bad it is. If it turns out decently, or dare I say, well? Then you can enjoy it.

I used to get all worked up about changes to movies a la plot, characters, etc. but now I just enjoy them and read/watch the original material if I need all the detail.

deadmuffin November 22nd, 2008 2:11 PM

look, all im saying by wat i meant, is that just it is getting annoying about how whenever you go to the movie theatre....you will rarely find some movie that isnt based off a movie/book/comic/anime/posterboard/board game (they are trying to make a monopoly movie) but thats all Im saying....i just want something original, ya know

GFA November 22nd, 2008 4:54 PM

Just a bit, I am however delighted with Disney's portrayal of Narnia ...

I Laugh at your Misfortune! November 22nd, 2008 5:49 PM

The most horrific butchering ever has to be 'The golden compass'. If you want to read a very long rant then click below. (WARNING: this was written several years ago and contains much bashing of americans)

Spoiler:
The eagerly awaited 'Golden Compass' (stupid americans) is here, and yes, it sucks ass, bigtime. I don't really know where to begin, so I'll start with the stupidest, most pointless change: the switching around of Bolvangar and Svalbard. In 'Northern Lights' Lyra is captured by a group of Samoyed Hunters, and taken to Bolvangar, or the Experimental Station. She is rescued from intercission by Mrs. Coulter, and then from her and the tartars by Iorek and the gyptians. Lyra, Roger, Lee Scoresby and Iorek then fly north towards Svalbard, but are attacked by cliff-ghasts. The Balloon crashes, and Lyra is stranded alone, and pretends to be Iorek's daemon. I'm not going through the whole thing, but Iorek kills Iofur, the evil bear and then goes to find Asriel with Lyra and Roger. When they get there, it turns out that Asriel is in fact a bad guy, and kills roger to get to the city in the lights.

However, in the film, the samoyeds take Lyra to Svalbard, the bear fight occurs, lyra is then trapped across a crevasse from Iorek, next to Bolvanar, and for some stupid reason, goes inside, instead of waiting for scoresby. When they escape, after about two hours in bolvangar, Lyra and Roger fly off into the sunset, and the film ends before we meet Asreil for just a tird time, leaving Roger alive, and Daniel Craig with about three lines.

The CGI, the effects, the music, the acting; all of this is good but the film is mising its heart. It is nothing like the book, and I still find it hard to believe that Pullman likes it.To be utterly honest, I am disgusted by the film's cheapness, american-ness and dumbing down. Worst of all is the patronising, which is almost a major theme. As a review that I agree whole heartedly with said: "The worst crime is that the film is not only retarded, it expects its audience to be retarded too." Basically, this film is a load of @!$*?+}#@!

And come on: 'The Golden Compass'? What next? 'The Not-obvious Dagger'? 'The Orange Telescope'? Stupid Yankees...

Vernikova November 22nd, 2008 6:41 PM

Ignoring alipeewee's rant.

As others have already said, they make money and that's what directors want to make. There are things that have been improved from the original such as Narnia IMHO. Some have gone down.

But you always have the choice to ignore it. You know? Also, remember there are movies that become shows, etc.

Infamous Amos November 22nd, 2008 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadmuffin (Post 4140119)
(they are trying to make a monopoly movie)

LMAO!
That actually sounds interesting!
I would watch it! XD

Spinor November 22nd, 2008 10:29 PM

Monopoly, Dragonball, ASTROBOY?!

Oh dear me, I must've grabbed Arcanine's toothbrush @[email protected]

Where has this world gone to? Unfortunately, adaptations will not grab much money from me. Maybe my bro, but not me.

GFA November 23rd, 2008 5:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alipeewee (Post 4140613)
The most horrific butchering ever has to be 'The golden compass'. If you want to read a very long rant then click below. (WARNING: this was written several years ago and contains much bashing of americans)

Spoiler:
The eagerly awaited 'Golden Compass' (stupid americans) is here, and yes, it sucks ass, bigtime. I don't really know where to begin, so I'll start with the stupidest, most pointless change: the switching around of Bolvangar and Svalbard. In 'Northern Lights' Lyra is captured by a group of Samoyed Hunters, and taken to Bolvangar, or the Experimental Station. She is rescued from intercission by Mrs. Coulter, and then from her and the tartars by Iorek and the gyptians. Lyra, Roger, Lee Scoresby and Iorek then fly north towards Svalbard, but are attacked by cliff-ghasts. The Balloon crashes, and Lyra is stranded alone, and pretends to be Iorek's daemon. I'm not going through the whole thing, but Iorek kills Iofur, the evil bear and then goes to find Asriel with Lyra and Roger. When they get there, it turns out that Asriel is in fact a bad guy, and kills roger to get to the city in the lights.

However, in the film, the samoyeds take Lyra to Svalbard, the bear fight occurs, lyra is then trapped across a crevasse from Iorek, next to Bolvanar, and for some stupid reason, goes inside, instead of waiting for scoresby. When they escape, after about two hours in bolvangar, Lyra and Roger fly off into the sunset, and the film ends before we meet Asreil for just a tird time, leaving Roger alive, and Daniel Craig with about three lines.

The CGI, the effects, the music, the acting; all of this is good but the film is mising its heart. It is nothing like the book, and I still find it hard to believe that Pullman likes it.To be utterly honest, I am disgusted by the film's cheapness, american-ness and dumbing down. Worst of all is the patronising, which is almost a major theme. As a review that I agree whole heartedly with said: "The worst crime is that the film is not only retarded, it expects its audience to be retarded too." Basically, this film is a load of @!$*?+}#@!

And come on: 'The Golden Compass'? What next? 'The Not-obvious Dagger'? 'The Orange Telescope'? Stupid Yankees...

I take offense (I'm using the wrong word aren't I?) to that, but I do agree with you

I Laugh at your Misfortune! November 23rd, 2008 6:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodbye, Farewell, & Amen (Post 4141723)
I take offense (I'm using the wrong word aren't I?) to that, but I do agree with you

no, i think offense is what you mean :P
sorry about the extensive criticism of all things on the other side of the atlantic, though I think most of the points are valid

Allstories November 23rd, 2008 7:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alipeewee (Post 4140613)
Spoiler:
The eagerly awaited 'Golden Compass' (stupid americans) is here, and yes, it sucks ass, bigtime. I don't really know where to begin, so I'll start with the stupidest, most pointless change: the switching around of Bolvangar and Svalbard. In 'Northern Lights' Lyra is captured by a group of Samoyed Hunters, and taken to Bolvangar, or the Experimental Station. She is rescued from intercission by Mrs. Coulter, and then from her and the tartars by Iorek and the gyptians. Lyra, Roger, Lee Scoresby and Iorek then fly north towards Svalbard, but are attacked by cliff-ghasts. The Balloon crashes, and Lyra is stranded alone, and pretends to be Iorek's daemon. I'm not going through the whole thing, but Iorek kills Iofur, the evil bear and then goes to find Asriel with Lyra and Roger. When they get there, it turns out that Asriel is in fact a bad guy, and kills roger to get to the city in the lights.

However, in the film, the samoyeds take Lyra to Svalbard, the bear fight occurs, lyra is then trapped across a crevasse from Iorek, next to Bolvanar, and for some stupid reason, goes inside, instead of waiting for scoresby. When they escape, after about two hours in bolvangar, Lyra and Roger fly off into the sunset, and the film ends before we meet Asreil for just a tird time, leaving Roger alive, and Daniel Craig with about three lines.

The CGI, the effects, the music, the acting; all of this is good but the film is mising its heart. It is nothing like the book, and I still find it hard to believe that Pullman likes it.To be utterly honest, I am disgusted by the film's cheapness, american-ness and dumbing down. Worst of all is the patronising, which is almost a major theme. As a review that I agree whole heartedly with said: "The worst crime is that the film is not only retarded, it expects its audience to be retarded too." Basically, this film is a load of @!$*?+}#@!

And come on: 'The Golden Compass'? What next? 'The Not-obvious Dagger'? 'The Orange Telescope'? Stupid Yankees...

THAT was your biggest gripe with the movie? Switching around the two places in the movie? How was THAT the most pointless one? It didn't really change anything, it just switched them around so that the movie could flow better and end with a satisfying climax. Leaving the ending out is probably the more pointless flaw, but it's not like it was removed from the whole story, it just would have been included in the next film. It's not like changing things in movie adaptations is always a travesty.

It's not like changing movie adaptations is always a travesty. I mean, I loved Lord of the Rings, even though it completely omitted the ending in the books.

Also, it's not named The Golden Compass because Americans are dumb hurr hurr. It's because of this:

Quote:

For some time during the pre-publication process, the series of novels was known as The Golden Compasses. The word Compasses referred to a pair of compasses—the circle-drawing instrument—rather than a navigational compass. Pullman then settled on Northern Lights as the title for the first book, and continued to refer to the trilogy as The Golden Compasses. Like the eventual title for the trilogy, the original title The Golden Compasses comes from a line in Milton's Paradise Lost.
In the United States, in their discussions over the publication of the first book, the publishers Alfred A. Knopf had been calling it The Golden Compass (omitting the plural), which they mistakenly believed referred to Lyra's alethiometer, because the device superficially resembles a navigational compass. Meanwhile, in the UK, Pullman had replaced The Golden Compasses with His Dark Materials (a title that Pullman had taken from a line in Paradise Lost) as the title of the trilogy. According to Pullman, the publishers had become so attached to The Golden Compass that they insisted on publishing the U.S. edition of the first book under that title, rather than Northern Lights with the title used in the UK and Australia.
PS. I'm not saying the movie was good, I'm just saying, some of your reasons are flawed.


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