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Mr. Epic November 23rd, 2008 10:22 AM

Windows 7
 
So after the release of the somewhat unpopular operating system Vista, mainly because of its high system requirements and the other problems with privacy, security, performance, and product activation, Windows introduce 7!

Unlike its predecessor Vista, Windows 7 is made to be fully compatible with existing device drivers, applications and hardware.

It is already known to have a redesigned Windows Shell with a very hot taskbar, a home networking system called HomeGroup, and performance improvements.


So what are your views?

SegaSaturnGal November 23rd, 2008 10:58 AM

Clarification, Please
 
Do you have any proof? If not, feel free to post a rickroll.

wakachamo November 23rd, 2008 11:09 AM

The taskbar is butt-ugly, and it's simply Vista with a few minor UI upgrades here and there.

I'm not impressed.

Mr. Epic November 23rd, 2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikachu192 (Post 4142397)
Do you have any proof? If not, feel free to post a rickroll.

-_-
Proof:
Official Microsoft Website
Wikipedia
Google

mewthree w/armor November 23rd, 2008 1:32 PM

It's Vista but fixed. Were all being ripped off in many many ways. I hope to be testing it more shortly, but I've seen nothing particularly impressive yet.

Mr. Epic November 23rd, 2008 2:03 PM

Well I am just happy that Vista has been fixed but there is more yet to come, it is still in pre-beta.
I am just hoping for much better performance and that it does not have the massive lag Vista has.

Zebra Thunderhead November 23rd, 2008 2:10 PM

I'm happy with my non-breaking XP. (b'-')b

And that taskbar is hideous. Even if I got it, I'd stick with my WindowsBlinds skin.

Yuoaman November 23rd, 2008 2:13 PM

My XP will suit me fine for years to come, until they stop supporting it...

Arjun - PeeB4UGo November 23rd, 2008 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 4142976)
My XP will suit me fine for years to come, until they stop supporting it...

I think that time passed in Feb '08.

mewthree w/armor November 23rd, 2008 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arjun - PeeB4UGo (Post 4142995)
I think that time passed in Feb '08.

Updates for many, many years to come .

From Wikipedia
Windows XP Service Pack 2 will be retired on 13 July 2010, almost six years after its general availability. As per Microsoft's posted timetable, the company stopped general licensing of Windows XP to OEMs and terminated retail sales of the operating system on 30 June 2008, 17 months after the release of Windows Vista. However, an exception was announced on 3 April 2008, for OEMs installing to subnotebooks or UMPCs either until 30 June 2010, or one year after the availability of the next client version of Windows, Windows 7—whichever date comes later.

On 14 April 2009, Windows XP will begin its "Extended Support" period that will last for 5 years until 8 April 2014.

Blue Tomoshibi November 23rd, 2008 2:42 PM

I'll stick with my Vista looking XP.(Bricko Packs for the win) IF this Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista with better backwards compatibility, then I don't want it. Vista is too much of a resource hog for my taste.

ruby November 23rd, 2008 2:56 PM

I upgraded to Vista to see what it was like, and then shortly switched back to XP. xD

The biggest problem when using Vista for me was the file security, even if you enabled the Administrator profile and used that, or disabled those annoying permission messages you were still not able to have full control. >:[

Seeing as the things they've advertised are "New Task bar" and "Home Networking" I doubt they'll be going back to how XP dealt with security, which means I will not be getting it.

Besides, it looks as fugly as ever. :p

Mr. Epic November 23rd, 2008 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Tomoshibi (Post 4143049)
Vista is too much of a resource hog for my taste.

That is what Windows 7 is for to be more efficient and have much better performance.
I like the taskbar and if you don't there are already visual styles already coming out for it on DeviantArt.
I am still on XP and have replaced my UXTHEME file to make it look better rather than switching to the power hungry Vista but If I find 7 to be have a much better performance with its better GUI and features I would go for it. There is still a long time untill proper decisions on whether its good or not can be made.
So for me its XP or Windows 7!

bgt November 23rd, 2008 3:03 PM

Personally I think its just a bunch of eye candy. Personally, I don't think Windows 7 brings anything different to the table.

I have seen 0 corporate environments who have upgraded to Vista.

Legobricks November 23rd, 2008 3:13 PM

I don't care how it looks because I still use the 95/98/2k style.
I really don't like the way Windows has been going since Vista, just in general with the system requirements skyrocketing, poor backwards compatibility and lack of the new OSs actually being necessary at all. I won't be going beyond using XP unless it becomes necessary for the sake of any games I may want to play.

txteclipse November 23rd, 2008 3:19 PM

The heck? That is Vista. Why don't they just release all those fixes as a service pack, instead of making an entire new edition? For the love of Arceus, don't they have enough money already?

Anyways, Vista is plenty fine in my opinion. I've had no problems with it thus far.

Mr. Epic November 23rd, 2008 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txteclipse (Post 4143166)
The heck? That is Vista. Why don't they just release all those fixes as a service pack, instead of making an entire new edition? For the love of Arceus, don't they have enough money already?

Too many people saying its just like Vista but as I said before its still in pre-beta so it is still a bit early to tell because they may add more.
I think it can't be a service pack because of the plans for it to have better performance but from what I am hearing it seems I may stay XP for a long time!

Zet November 23rd, 2008 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyen (Post 4142317)
So after the release of the somewhat unpopular operating system Vista, mainly because of its high system requirements and the other problems with privacy, security, performance, and product activation, Windows introduce 7!

Unlike its predecessor Vista, Windows 7 is made to be fully compatible with existing device drivers, applications and hardware.

It is already known to have a redesigned Windows Shell with a very hot taskbar, a home networking system called HomeGroup, and performance improvements.


So what are your views?

1. the current beta builds don't support all drivers
2. the theme is gigantic and ugly even though blue is my favourite colour
3. not much of a different to a regular network :P
4. only performances improvements are, new library of installers, .exe are now virtualized

not much of a change, but it should do better than vista, thats for sure

doesn't matter November 23rd, 2008 5:41 PM

I only just installed Windows 7 last night, and since I've managed to find with Vista drivers for my hardware, everything has been going pretty smoothly.

I haven't had much of a chance to really use Vista, so this all is mostly a new experience for me. That said, I'm finding it pretty damn pleasant. As stated, I only just installed it last night, so I haven't explored this much, but so far, I like how it looks, I think the libraries feature is a nice and handy addition, and there are a few other little things that improve the experience (such as encouraging better use of space on widescreen resolutions). Plus it runs fine, not laggy at all. But then again, I'm not running any resource hogging programs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by txteclipse (Post 4143166)
The heck? That is Vista. Why don't they just release all those fixes as a service pack, instead of making an entire new edition? For the love of Arceus, don't they have enough money already?

Anyways, Vista is plenty fine in my opinion. I've had no problems with it thus far.

Not that Vista is a bad OS, but it has too much negative press, so they're pretty much abandoning it.

Ashen November 23rd, 2008 5:47 PM

I might upgrade to Windows 7 when it comes out, if I have the money for it. OSes are decently expensive (at least for a broke college student) so...

I'm actually a Mac person, but I like using Windows just as much – XP's the one for me, though, since I've used Vista and I'm not too fond of how much of a resource hog it is (I have lots of programs open most of the time) nor the fact that the computer has more access to its own files than the administrator does. I don't mind using Vista, though; it's a decent OS on the surface, just like all OSes. It's when you get down into the nitty-gritty stuff that things start to look ugly, which, other than the bad press, is partly the reason why not a lot of companies are switching to Vista from XP. Only the future knows if that trend will hold for Windows 7.

The main reason I'd use Vista is for DirectX 10 support. That's about it. Windows XP does everything that I need in a PC OS (ironic coming from a Mac user; I'm planning on installing WinXP with BootCamp and a virtualization program soon, though).

Ayesha November 23rd, 2008 5:55 PM

It kinda reminds me of Apple's Mac. I mean they have a little bar at the bottom and all. It's kinda pointless. But I like the name, Vienna. It's a pretty kick name. :D

SegaSaturnGal November 23rd, 2008 6:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyen (Post 4142493)

I believe you now. I'd rather stick with XP, however...

Gerri Shin November 23rd, 2008 7:42 PM

I've had a blog post up for almost a week on this. The main things that MS has been working on with Windows 7 is reducing the resource footprint, while still maintaining Vista's 'pretty' aesthetics. As well as implementing a way for Windows to boot from VHDs. as for the theme, it's sill a work in progress; but I'm sure it will get better, especially with the superbar.

The resource footprint for 7 is much lower than Vista already. I've been able to run 7 at a pretty decent speed on a single core machine with less than a gig of RAM and it performs just as well as the XP install I have on the same machine. so i that respect MS has done a decent job, now all they need to do is implement a way to mount dvd images from within the OS and not with 3rd party apps.

Ashen November 23rd, 2008 8:28 PM

I'm wondering where you guys are getting Windows 7. Because I'm tempted to use it (even though it's beta) instead of trying to find my WinXP install disc; that is, if it's free from Microsoft. I'm not exactly someone who wants to pirate an OS just to use it. But I looked on the Microsoft website and they said they only gave copies of Windows 7 to the press.

Zet November 23rd, 2008 8:28 PM

you might wanna do some searching ;P and it's not beta just yet

Gerri Shin November 23rd, 2008 9:03 PM

I believe they're hoping to release a beta to developers sometime in december, but it's not for sure yet. either way, I'm really hoping that this version doesn't get prematurely released like Vista. Even though it's only a 'pre-beta' it still shows a lot of potential.

Mitchman November 24th, 2008 7:42 AM

Hmm although its vista but boxy i acually like it. Its super intresting and if low stat computers can handle it im in.

Mr. Epic November 24th, 2008 2:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerri Shin (Post 4143765)
The resource footprint for 7 is much lower than Vista already. I've been able to run 7 at a pretty decent speed on a single core machine with less than a gig of RAM and it performs just as well as the XP install I have on the same machine. so i that respect MS has done a decent job

I agree, that is exactly why I may like this as it is a much better performing and updated Vista.

Virtual Chatot November 24th, 2008 2:26 PM

Microsoft should have fixed Vista before moving on to a Windows 7, what a stupid decision. The fact that the new deskbar practically copies the KDE Desktop is just shameful and stupid.

I'll stick with my Mac OS X and Ubuntu thanks.

bgt November 24th, 2008 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by You Homosexual Blood Elf (Post 4145095)
Microsoft should have fixed Vista before moving on to a Windows 7, what a stupid decision. The fact that the new deskbar practically copies the KDE Desktop is just shameful and stupid.

I'll stick with my Mac OS X and Ubuntu thanks.

I got a better one. Vista should have never been released in the first place.

It's almost on par with the awesomeness of Windows ME... almost.

Virtual Chatot November 24th, 2008 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikki Tikki Tavi (Post 4145216)
I got a better one. Vista should have never been released in the first place.

It's almost on par with the awesomeness of Windows ME... almost.

Oh of course XD
Then again, I'd even go as far to say that Microsoft should have never separated DOS and Windows.
( Thinks backs to the days of having his first computer, which was running DOS... )
Ah, good times :B

doesn't matter November 24th, 2008 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by You Homosexual Blood Elf (Post 4145095)
Microsoft should have fixed Vista before moving on to a Windows 7, what a stupid decision. The fact that the new deskbar practically copies the KDE Desktop is just shameful and stupid.

I'll stick with my Mac OS X and Ubuntu thanks.

Do you mean like, appearance wise, or size? Cause having just activated/unlocked the enhanced taskbar, it's pretty different from what I've seen of KDE aside from the obvious similarities in size and what, dragging. It's actually pretty awesome the way they've utilised it for their own programs, and I hope other programs use it as well in the future.

The Windows 7 Taskbar on the Windows 7 blog.

And my own screenshot.

Also, MSPaint is nice :3

Zet November 24th, 2008 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by You Homosexual Blood Elf (Post 4145095)
Microsoft should have fixed Vista before moving on to a Windows 7, what a stupid decision. The fact that the new deskbar practically copies the KDE Desktop is just shameful and stupid.

I'll stick with my Mac OS X and Ubuntu thanks.

it's funny, I swear linux have the same style by looking at KDE screenshots

HeavensNightSH November 24th, 2008 5:19 PM

Well, I'm very unsure about this whole windows 7. But I'd like to give this almost beta version a test

EDIT: The link doesn't work now, what's up with that?

Gerri Shin November 24th, 2008 8:15 PM

What link are you talking about, HeavensNightSH?

I have to agree with Amachi on this one, the 'superbar' on Windows 7 isn't at all much like the KDE bar. I think the only things they have in common are the size, the fat that they both display running programs, and the ability of transparency. however the Win7 bar incorporates those loading/ progress bars into the bar as well as allow you to have a pseudo-stacks shortcut to certain folders. also instead of grouping multiple instances of a program into one button on the taskbar and giving it a number like in XP, they've made it so that the program box shrinks to a quarter of the full size and given it a look of 'stacked' application boxes. I think that looks loads better than just grouping them all in one and sticking a number on it.

doesn't matter November 25th, 2008 4:19 PM

Also, you can make the Win7 taskbar noticeably smaller. Plus by changing how they group you can either show or hide the text.

I just set them to group now, it actually works quite well. Just hover your pointer over the icon and the open windows pop up, allowing you to select which one you want.

SegaSaturnGal November 25th, 2008 9:00 PM

Windows 7=cheap Vista remake. Trust me, I've seen pics.

HeavensNightSH November 25th, 2008 9:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerri Shin (Post 4145853)
What link are you talking about, HeavensNightSH?

Sorry, it works again. It was the link that went to microsoft :)

Dukey November 25th, 2008 9:40 PM

I for one think the taskbar looks good, or it would look good on my mac xD (BootCamp ftw)

Anyways, I suppose its better than installing XP on my Mac...

Ashen November 25th, 2008 11:29 PM

Install XP anyways. Like I mentioned before, the only plus to Vista/Windows 7 (at least it seems for the latter) is DirectX 10 support. And if you're running a Mac, though I haven't had my experience with BootCamp and virtualization yet (hoping to this week), that's not going to happen anyways.

Not fully counting out Windows 7, but it's not going to be out for another year or so -- use XP in the meantime if you're going to dualboot. Or, more fun yet, use Linux! (... okay, that was partly a joke. But only partly.)

Zet November 25th, 2008 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikachu192 (Post 4148415)
Windows 7=cheap Vista remake. Trust me, I've seen pics.

sadly no, you might as well call vista a cheap XP remake, think before posting, windows 7 is far superior to vista

Mr. Pokemon November 27th, 2008 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amachi (Post 4145368)
Also, MSPaint is nice :3

I see Paint is getting the Office ribbon (I think that's what they call it.) I hope it runs just as fast as previous versions. I've used Office 2007 before and it was slow and hard to use. They moved everything around in an attempt to make it easier to use, didn't help me much at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Win7paint.png

Wordpad got the ribbon too. I don't use Wordpad much anyways (or Word, Google Docs for the win!) I use Notepad occasionally, to remove formatting such as hyperlinks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Win7wordpad.png

Conman November 27th, 2008 12:20 PM

Meh, I may look into 7 but so far my Vista has yet to screw me over excluding appearance...anyway I use VS styles anyway.

Mr. Epic November 27th, 2008 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conman (Post 4152836)
Meh, I may look into 7 but so far my Vista has yet to screw me over excluding appearance...anyway I use VS styles anyway.

Your better to upgrade to Windows 7 its basically Vista that has much better performance and visual styles are already being designed for Windows 7, check Deviantart!


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