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My First Team... :) for Wi-Fi, NOT SHODDY
I was never fond of Shoddy because everyone there can legally have 31/31/31/31/31/31, not to mention have more than 255 EV's in one stat.
Jolly Aerodactyl, Pressure (Male) Focus Sash 20+/31/20+/x/20+/31 (I haven't actually bred this thing yet) 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe Taunt Stealth Rock Rock Slide Earthquake My starter. Aero's two goals are to set up Stealth Rock and prevent the opponent from doing the same. Rock Slide is chosen over Stone Edge because of the flinch chance, and seriously, who WOULDN'T want that on a Pokemon as fast as Aerodactyl? If those annoying anti-leads try to ruin your fun, Togekiss can get rid of them (Aura Sphere takes care of Weavile, and Air Slash gets Infernape) and Wish Aero back to full health to set up Stealth Rock! Adamant Lucario, Inner Focus (Male) Life Orb 31/31/18/21/31/31 255 Atk, 255 Spe (messed up EV's, I was gonna put 6 in HP, but it's okay) Close Combat Crunch ExtremeSpeed Swords Dance Physical Sweeper. Swords Dance powers up Luke's physical attacks, which allows it to go all out with Close Combat. Crunch is a good move for countering Psychics that resist CC. Luke gets ThunderPunch from Platinum, but I don't want Pokemon like Electivire to get a free switch-in. Expert Belt would be the item if Item Clause were on, and what a fine item it is. CC gets even more power against those Normal Pokemon, especially those who aren't meant to be walls, although if they survive, they could sweep, but I doubt that PorygonZ will be switching into a Steel-type that resists all its attacks anytime soon. Modest Togekiss, Serene Grace (Male) Leftovers 31/x/31/31/31/30 252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 6 Spe Air Slash Aura Sphere Thunder Wave Wish Special Sweeper, Flinch Abuser, Paralyzer, and Healer. Even though he's lived in Skymin's shadow ever since Platinum was invented, he's still a wonderful Flinch-Haxxor. Air Slash is a must on any set with Serene Grace. It is also a good counter for many Pokes that are weak to it. Thunder Wave helps Air Slash to go first and flinch, not to mention decreases the chance of opponents attacking. It can also help Porygon-Z beat even more Pokes. Aura Sphere is for those nasty Rocks and Steels. Finally, Wish is for healing the party, which is a good reason to switch him in. Timid Porygon-Z, Download Choice Scarf 31/x/30/30/30/30 6 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spe Tri Attack Hidden Power Fighting 70 Thunderbolt Ice Beam Special Sweeper. Easily the most powerful in OU. If Download gives this sweeper a Special Attack boost, it can quickly defeat most foes, with the crazy unresisted combo of Normal, Electric, Ice, and Fighting. One of the most important things that Scarfed Porygon-Z counters is DDMence and DDGyara. Plus, if Gliscor can Knock Off her Leftovers, Blissey will be slightly easier to defeat. Porygon-Z is my favorite Pokémon. IT IS THE BEST EVAR. And don't you forget it. This is interchangeable with the Porygon2 below. http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/7/74/233.png Bold Porygon2, Trace Leftovers 31/x/28/31/31/31 252 HP, 216 Def, 40 SpA Toxic/Magic Coat/Tri Attack Discharge Ice Beam Recover Special Sweeper. Not only does this effectively wall and counter Salamence and Gyarados, it also can put up a decent fight against others. It also can Recover its health, which is a big plus for something as bulky as Porygon2. Trace can copy the opponent's ability, which can be useful in some situations. It's Porygon2. Need I say more? http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/c/cb/Spr_4p_472.png Impish Gliscor, Sand Veil (Male) Leftovers 30/31/31/x/31/31 252 HP, 4 Atk, 252 Def Knock Off Ice Fang Earthquake Roost Pseudo-Physical Sweeper and Physical Wall. Knock Off can be useful for Knocking Off useful items like Blissey's Leftovers so as to make Gliscor's job a little easier. Ice Fang and Earthquake are good coverage, while Roost is a healing move. http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/9/98/Spr_4p_242.png Calm Blissey, Natural Cure (Female...of course) Leftovers 31/x/30/30/30/30 252 Def, 40 Sp. Atk, 216 Sp. Def Aromatherapy Toxic Flamethrower Softboiled Special Wall, Status Healer, Status Spreader. This is the best Special Wall in the game. This one is no different. Aromatherapy cures status problems; Toxic causes them. And if it's a haxy day, so does Flamethrower. Toxic, while useful, has no effect on Steel-types, which is why Flamethrower is there. Despite the fact that Blissey has Wish support, it can't switch out all day, so Softboiled is there.[/CENTER] |
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Heracross also provides problems, as it does the same thing Lucario does, but can be stopped by Thunder Wave and OHKO'd by Kiss' Air Slash. Watch out for Pursuit. Rhyperior and Spiritomb have questionable roles on the team. As such, I've found effective replacements for both. Gliscor @ Leftovers Sand Veil Impish 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 HP -Earthquake -Roost -Ice Fang / Fire Fang -Knock Off / Taunt >> Rhyperior, and Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash Jolly 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 4 Defense -Stealth Rock -Taunt -Stone Edge -Earthquake >> Spiritomb. You might also want to consider the standard Scarfgar >> Z, to deal with Gyarados and Tyranitar. This way, you don't have to resort to HP Fighting on Z. |
You do realize Rhyperior 2HKO's Skarmory with Stone Edge, and can predict a Roost and use Earthquake for the quick KO, right Don?
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Okay, one last reply. I'd get rid of those god awful CB Rhyperior for the Rock Polish set. CB Rhyperior, without Sandstorm support, just sucks, as it can't take a hit at all:
Rhyperior @ Life Orb Adamant/Jolly 252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP Rock Polish Earthquake Stone Edge Megahorn THIS is Rhyperior's best set. It's hard to stop once it gets a Rock Polish, and if your team is full of sweepers...eh, let's just say there's not much that's gonna stop it. |
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HP Ice is also superior to HP Electric, so that is almost never used. And there's no way HP Electric will be OHKOing, or even 2HKOing Togekiss. |
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How in the blue heck can it counter a pokemon when its 4x weak to its stab move ? Please dont defy logic =/. Even WITH solid rock, it dies after a DD and especially with a life orb lol. As said before, scarfing porygon-z would patch up some holes here letting you revenge stuff. |
So... should I replace Rhyperior with Gliscor or go with the Rock Polish variant?
And should I replace Spiritomb with Aerodactyl or Azelf? P.S. I still think Rhyperior and Spiritomb are valuable to me in the Battle Tower. |
Gliscor would probably be much better than Rhyperior.
Also, Battle Tower != Wi-Fi. |
I agree that Gliscor would probably be great, and that fighting an NPC is waaaaaay different from competitive battling. I just don't know about Azelf because then Spiritomb would be a problem. So Aerodactyl would be my choice, because it doesn't have many counters.
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scarf, hush now. you're just throwing a perfectly good brain out the window here.
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1) Uberchomp is Uber. 2) Who plays lead Spiritomb...? Anyone...? (Especially those designed to counter lead Azelf...which...can Spiritomb do...? lolno.) 3) If Azelf should be worried about any enemy lead, it's the flying fossil, Aerodactyl. Every single Aero lead should be the set I gave you, giving it the Speed to outpace any other non-Scarfed lead and Taunt it before Rocks go up. That's why I suggested it over LeadZelf. :) |
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Anyways, that Blissey set looks strange. I would go Calm Nature, and since it shouldn't even be staying in on most physical attackers that come in on it, I would scrap Counter for Seismic Toss or Toxic. Blissey kinda needs the recovery from Softboiled, seeing as you don't have Wish support. Also, go with Ice Beam>> Blizzard, since Bliss needs the extra PP support. |
I get the Blissey thing. And I DO have Wish Support, from Togekiss.
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didn't look at togekiss clear enough. LOL. I was looking at your team, and it is moderately slow. Not utterly slow like STALL slow, but sorta slow. Luke is the only poke with a good speed. Considering a revenge killer here would be a good idea. Scarfgar is probly best, seeing your (Rhyperior wallz it *shot*) Gyara weakness. T-Bolt/Focus Blast/ Shadow Ball/ HP Ice or Hypnosis if u can't get HP Ice.
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Well? Should I replace Z with Scarfgar?
I switched my team. |
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:tauCI5x2asjANM:http://www.legendarypokemon.net/images/dp_artwork/233.png Modest Porygon2, Trace Life Orb 31/x/31/31/31/31 6 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spe Nasty Plot Tri Attack Dark Pulse Ice Beam The Only Change would make.... |
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For the record, Porygon2 is much bulkier than Z- an extra 20 points in both Def and SDef. Not to mention Trace, which gives it free reign to switch in on Gyarados and Salamence.
That being said, that set, while not only being retarded, is illegal- P2 can't learn Nasty Plot. That is basically an inferior P-Z- if you want to use P2, make use of its 85/90/95 defenses. Like this: Porygon2 @ Leftovers/ Lum Berry Bold, Trace 252 HP/ 120 Def/ 40 SAtk/ 96 SDef - Ice Beam - Discharge / Thunderbolt - Magic Coat / Thunder Wave - Recover |
Okay, I see you made a lot of changes to the team, but those changes can't stop a Dragon Dance Gyarados/Salamence. One option is to change Porygon-Z to a Timid Choice Scarfer, which outruns any Gyarados after a DD, and Admant Salamence after a Dragon Dance:
Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP Tri Attack Thunderbolt Ice Beam Dark Pulse It provides a decent revenge killer, although not the ideal one. You can settle for Modest, but then Salamence destroys you. Or, you could just use a Porygon2 over Z, who can be a wall and answer to Gyarados/Salamence. |
I wonder...If I replaced Luke's Crunch with Ice Punch, would it be able to counter Salamence if, on the first turn that Salamence is out, Lucario uses Ice Punch and then Extremespeed? Maybe, because before a Dragon Dance, Lucario outspeeds Salamence. (at least the DD varieties) But I think that if Salamence uses Earthquake instead of Dragon Dance, then Lucario is doomed.
I doubt Dragon Dancing Gyarados will be very speedy if Togekiss manages to Thunder Wave it... Also, I think that Porygon-Z will be faster compared to other Pokémon if Togekiss paralyzes something. |
For Luke to counter Mence, he'll need to be able to reliably switch in on him- which he can't. And in most situations, Mence would just outright kill Luke- if Mence switched in on an SD, he would lower Luke's attack, then OHKO with Earthquake (especially if it's not a DD variety).
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I know, I know... It would just use Earthquake. Just a thought, though.
I'll either go with the moveset shown below on PoryZ, or use the Special Attacker Pory2 set. Alternatively, I could go with the Sub Salac PoryZ set. Agility/Nasty Plot Thunderbolt/Dark Pulse Ice Beam Tri Attack |
You don't understand. That does not handle Gyarados or Salamence after a Dragon Dance. They will not let you set up an Agility once they're in. They will OHKO you with one of their moves, and then you're basically done for, as nothing on your team reliably defeats either of these two. Scarf that P-Z, or just use P2. Both are decent "checks" for Gyarados and Salamence, although P2 is much, much more reliable.
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Few new changes... Rate this new team!
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A few things....
Lucario would be much better with Jolly and Ice Punch. This means Salamence cannot come in and end your sweep unless it is a Jolly 252 Spd variant, +Spd variants becoming increasingly rare... Aside from that, it also takes slow Gliscors out. Which brings me to antoher point. Gliscor should probably run enough speed to outrun Jolly Luke. Sure, it limits it's Defensive ability, but it lets it deal with the threat that it's there for. Um, that Porygon2 won't work properly. Either run ScarfZ or Airconditioning's Bulky P2. |
Different Porygon-Z!
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...Um, it won't be doing more if you OHKO it with Earthquake. For the record, the Smogon Standard now runs 216 Spd, so I don't think suggesting 188 is unreasonable. |
OMG! I FEEL SO BAD FOR YOU! YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOME WORK YOURSELF AND BREED YOUR OWN POKEMON! HERE, BREEDING POKEMON IS HARD WORK AND YOU DESERVE A BREAK. LET ME RUB YOUR FEET.
Listen. I'm getting tired of your attitude. People who are rude to those taking their time to rate their team don't deserve their own thread. Cut the crap or don't expect another RMT thread in S&M for a while. And in my experience, you always want to ensure you outrun Gliscor with Lucario. Not all of the analysis have been updates yet, so some may feature outdated movesets / EV spreads. |
That's not what I meant! I actually quite enjoy breeding, especially breeding Porygon! But it's hard, because HP breeding is hard and I've only ever bred once. I think if I can breed this, I'll have the confidence to breed anything! THAT'S why I'm not giving up or stopping for any reason. I don't do it because I think it'll be easy. I do it because I think it'll be hard. And it's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it. Maybe I'll have to breed my Aerodactyl too. I'm just so used to trading, I hadn't had time to breed. But that changed when I bred a quint-flawless Cacturne for no apparent reason.
And about my attitude, I'm sorry. I do realize now that Gliscor and Lucario need to run enough speed, being natural enemies. I do realize all the time that teams take time to be rated. I just was afraid that the teams weren't being rated at all. Now I'm lucky that ANYONE's rating my team, after what I did. |
Let me rephrase that dreadful post-
Since this is a Wifi team, you can't always expect me to have access to these Pokemon. Fortunately, I do, but I can't get them immediately because I'm busy breeding. Breeding is NOT hard work, by the way. All you have to do is press up and down and you can multitask it. What spread do you recommend for Gliscor? |
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