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Aquilae November 29th, 2008 7:23 AM

Rate my team (hi Vance)
 
I haven't played in a long time, so I'm hoping to get back into the game by creating a new team, all help and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Bronzong @ Macho Brace
Levitate
Sassy, 252 HP / 84 Attack / 80 Def / 92 SpD

Trick
Light Screen
Gyro Ball
Earthquake

DDMence check , Mamoswine counter and it sets up Screens ensuring that my team has extra survivability. Trick also cripples pokemon that I may not be able to deal with, ensuring they can be finished off by another pokemon due to the reduced Speed.

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Adamant, 252 HP / 252 Attack / 6 Spe

Pursuit
Stone Edge
Crunch
Aqua Tail

One word: Pursuit. It is probably the best move in the game in my book trapping stuff and more often than not securing the KO on Pokemon weak to Dark, such as ScarfGar and Rotom. Will-O-Wisp means I wouldn't switch Tar in there all the time though, only when I'm certain they would use an attacking move. Tar's amazing SpD with SS up also makes alot of stuff easily taken care of by Pursuit.

Tentacruel @ Choice Scarf
30 SpA IV
Timid, 252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 HP

Ice Beam
Hidden Power [Electric] 70
Hydro Pump
Toxic Spikes

Absorbs Toxic Spikes, and serves as a revenge-killer for the likes of RP Rhyperior, DDMence (speed tie unfortunately) and takes a chunk off DDGyara. Tenta also resists loads of stuff allowing it to come in on Infernape, Fire Blasts from Heatran, and other special attackers, and score KOs. If said Infernape happens to run anti-Tenta moves (SD Thunderpunch anyone?), Hydro Pump gets rid of it before it even makes a move.

Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Adamant, 252 Attack / 196 Spe / 56 HP

Ice Shard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Stealth Rock

Earthquake 2HKOes loads of pokemon who, ironically are supposed to wall Mamo in the first place. The main reason why Mamo is here is for Ice Shard, as a revenge-killer for Salamence, and for other speed boosting pokemon as priority is always neat. Skarm and Weezing aren't as common anymore so I don't want to rely on Blizzard to hurt them.

Celebi @ Life Orb
Timid, 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP

Recover
Grass Knot
Earth Power
Calm Mind

Offensive Calm Minder and a Lucario check, outspeeding and OHKOing them with Earth Power. It also guards against CroCune and other bulky stat-uppers.

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Bold, 252 HP / 88 Spe / 168 Def

Thunderbolt
Overheat
Will-O-Wisp
Reflect

Rotom-H covers Scizor, Metagross and Gyarados, Will-O-Wisp wards off Tyranitar / Weavile and Reflect increases its physical durability.

. November 29th, 2008 10:03 AM

Aqui notices my existence D= Nevertheless, the team looks great, except for a few...odd nitpicks.

First off, is it really wise to have Overheat on a Sleep Talk set? I'd use a Reflect/Overheat/Thunderbolt/WoW or Thunder Wave set. Rest-Talk, from my experiances, makes it either set up fodder, or just PLAIN Pursuit bait. With WoW, you can burn the incoming Tyranitar/Weavile, set up a Reflect, and then escape and receive the smallest damage possible from Pursuit, while also crippling the opposition. Rotom-H is very durable, its just that things hit so hard in this metagame, people forget about that.

Props for using Scarf Tentacruel; I always wanted to try one out. I highly dislike CM Celebi without Recover...I dislike any Celebi without Recover honestly. I'd remove Calm Mind for Recover, Grass Knot for either Leaf Storm (or keep Grass Knot). This still handles Lucario, while retaining some bulk and freedom to spam away attacks since LO recoil will be recovered off anywho. Let's not forget that Leaf Storm's power coming off Celebi's attacks is rivaling Salamence's Draco Meteor.

Overall, great team. Can't find a big weakness yet (at least until I fight and crush it lol).

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The Hero Without a Name November 29th, 2008 10:07 AM

Well, Aqui... Don't you think you'd wanna give Tyranitar 84 or so Speed EV's so he can outspeed (and slam) Skarmory with Stone Edge, before it even gets a chance to roost?

Aquilae November 29th, 2008 4:41 PM

If I remove CM from Celebi it basically means bulky Calm Minders would do a number on my team, so I was considering running GK + EP or GK + HP Fire, the latter one failing to OHKO Lucario, so I put GK + EP.

I can't help but think of Tyranitar coverage, I don't have any safe switchins to Crunch, CBDonphan could go over Mamoswine retaining Ice Shard that OHKOs Mence, but CB Crunch 2HKOs it anyway and its as slow as molasses.

I was thinking about SpecsLuke, serving as a check for SDLukes and other Lucarios not using Vacuum Wave, and most probably it would fit in over Celebi as I don't rely on it for countering major threats. The sole exception is that I may face CroCunes and such and I would have to sacrifice a pokemon to take it down.

. November 29th, 2008 5:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 4158964)
If I remove CM from Celebi it basically means bulky Calm Minders would do a number on my team, so I was considering running GK + EP or GK + HP Fire, the latter one failing to OHKO Lucario, so I put GK + EP.

I can't help but think of Tyranitar coverage, I don't have any safe switchins to Crunch, CBDonphan could go over Mamoswine retaining Ice Shard that OHKOs Mence, but CB Crunch 2HKOs it anyway and its as slow as molasses.

I was thinking about SpecsLuke, serving as a check for SDLukes and other Lucarios not using Vacuum Wave, and most probably it would fit in over Celebi as I don't rely on it for countering major threats. The sole exception is that I may face CroCunes and such and I would have to sacrifice a pokemon to take it down.

You could go Specs Infernape, with Focus Blast / Grass Knot / HP Ice / Fire Blast. Against the standard 252 HP/252 Def Suicune, Grass Knot does 63.39%-72.77%. Focus Blast against 0 HP/252 SpD Blissey still does an impressive 45.16%-53.46%. Fire Blast still does a lot against Max HP/Max SpD Cresselia, but can only 3HKO (keep in mind NO Cresselia run Max HP/Max SpD). If Cresselia feels lucky and runs 0 SpD EVs, the outcome is much more devastating; 2HKO without the need for Stealth Rock. If you run Modest, the 2HKO on Blissey with Focus Blast occurs almost 100% of the time due to Sandstorm and Stealth Rock.

In short; Specs Ape can be a nice idea for things like Suicune, Lucario, Celebi, etc...

Infernape @ Choice Specs
Timid/Modest
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Focus Blast
Grass Knot
HP Ice
Fire Blast

Samson November 30th, 2008 2:59 AM

spec nape sounds like a neat idea, but i dunno, i just don't think it'll do much good.

. November 30th, 2008 3:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 4160243)
spec nape sounds like a neat idea, but i dunno, i just don't think it'll do much good.

Eh, it seems shaky at first, but so did Focus Blast on NP Ape (which does up to 93% to standard Salamence IIRC). Lucario has more power, but Infernape has a better offensive typing, and little need for a priority move.


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