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BeachBoy December 17th, 2008 12:22 AM

Well, at least the good thing is he won't be facing any Dusclops past 28. Seeing as Dusclops is a Tier 2 Pocket Monster, it'll show up from 7 - 27, after that, won't be a problem. If it pops up randomly after that, it'll be pretty rare. There's one guy, eppie iirc, on Smogon who encountered Wartortle on Battle 166, so it's not completely concrete that he won't see it afterwords, but at least rare, haha. XD; Although some Dusknoir won't exactly be fun to play with...

Dusknoir 3 Spell Tag (Stats: 152 167 155 85 155 58) Trick Room Shadow Punch Earthquake Ice Punch (EV'd: HP/Atk) If it leads... Reflect as it sets up Trick Room, you're going to have to toy around with it. Switching to Lucario on Shadow punch, switch to Mes on EQ, etc. Until you can hurt it enough to get by. Garchomps Outrage without an SD can 2HKO, 51.97% - 61.84%, but it'll be troublesome to get by.

By the way, no need to thank me for the Garchomp set, I learned 'n' experienced how incredible it was from FastHippo. d(' 'd)

dark_seeker December 17th, 2008 2:47 AM

Quote:

Flash Cannon>Dragon Pulse
fighitng attacks hit ice for se..so it is not neccesary +steel coverage is so poor that i would not recomend it1

FinalPaladin December 18th, 2008 11:30 AM

can i please have a final poke for my bt team.cant be botherd to post evs

i have

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sandveil
adamant nature
earthquake
crunch
dragon claw
swords dance

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marvel
modest nature
hydropump
icebeam
hypnosis
recover

please help

Zetta-Chan December 18th, 2008 1:28 PM

You really need EVs,
you'll be destroyed without them.

SkyPioneer December 18th, 2008 3:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_seeker (Post 4201268)
fighitng attacks hit ice for se..so it is not neccesary +steel coverage is so poor that i would not recomend it1

*Sighs*
So you think you're good with type coverage, yet you're missing the point of my reccomendation?
What does Dragon Pulse cover? Dragon only.
What does Flash Cannon cover? Rock and Ice. Plus, you get alot of extra juicy attack power from STAB.
He already has an SD Outrage Chomp to deal with dragons.

So he might as well get an aditional STAB move that does not lower his stats.
Capeesh?

Angelic Diablo December 18th, 2008 7:55 PM

Flash Cannon hits what Vacuum Wave already does for Super Effective, no point in limiting his effectiveness by giving him Flash Cannon.

By the way, Dragon Pulse pretty much guarantees neutral coverage, since the only thing that resists it, is Steel, which Fighting takes care of with ease.

Now for my question, is speed or power better for the Battle Tower. I want to center a team around a sweeping Gliscor, but I don't know what stat boost I should use (or focus on) more.

[email protected] Orb
Hyper Cutter
Jolly Nature
EVs: 120 HP, 200 Atk, 188 Spe
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Swords Dance / Rock Polish
- Roost

I am leaning towards SD, but that won't help against faster pokemon that can OHKO.

dark_seeker December 19th, 2008 3:21 AM

Quote:

Flash Cannon hits what Vacuum Wave already does for Super Effective, no point in limiting his effectiveness by giving him Flash Cannon.

By the way, Dragon Pulse pretty much guarantees neutral coverage, since the only thing that resists it, is Steel, which Fighting takes care of with ease.

Now for my question, is speed or power better for the Battle Tower. I want to center a team around a sweeping Gliscor, but I don't know what stat boost I should use (or focus on) more.

[email protected] Orb
Hyper Cutter
Jolly Nature
EVs: 120 HP, 200 Atk, 188 Spe
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Swords Dance / Rock Polish
- Roost

I am leaning towards SD, but that won't help against faster pokemon that can OHKO.
your answer is sd..or ninjask
that gives me an idea...
Quote:

*Sighs*
So you think you're good with type coverage, yet you're missing the point of my reccomendation?
What does Dragon Pulse cover? Dragon only.
What does Flash Cannon cover? Rock and Ice. Plus, you get alot of extra juicy attack power from STAB.
He already has an SD Outrage Chomp to deal with dragons.

So he might as well get an aditional STAB move that does not lower his stats.
Capeesh?
im not the only 1 saying it and fighting hits rocks my freind+it gets stab..no need to get angry..just a

FinalPaladin December 19th, 2008 5:34 AM

could i use this ape

[email protected]???????
blaze
naive nature
spe252/atk173/spa173 (think that is right)
flamethrower
close combat
grassknot
thunderpunch

oh and how do i use this set!!!!!!!
thanx

luke December 19th, 2008 6:48 AM

Guess what hits Rock and Ice for Super Effective? FIGHTING-TYPE ATTACKS. Guess what has better coverage overall? FIGHTING-TYPE ATTACKS. Guess what also gets STAB on Lucario? FIGHTING-TYPE ATTACKS.

Guess which type gets the second worst coverage in the game? STEEL-TYPE ATTACKS. Guess what type should be dropped when there are better options available? STEEL-TYPE ATTACKS.

There are very few instances where Steel-type attacks are used and this time isn't one of them. So SkyPioneer, quit giving illogical advice or expect an infraction. :D

Skip Shot December 19th, 2008 8:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4206226)
could i use this ape

[email protected]???????
blaze
naive nature
spe252/atk173/spa173 (think that is right)
flamethrower
close combat
grassknot
thunderpunch

oh and how do i use this set!!!!!!!
thanx

First of all, the basic set. 1: Ape wants a Life Orb in this case. 2. you have 598 EVs posted. The maximum number of EVs is 510. The EV set I recommend is 252 Spe/ 232 Spa/ 24 Atk, although you can tweak those around to your preference.
The moves themselves are a nice choice, if you can get an Electric Hidden power, though, put it over Thunderpunch. Otherwise, the set is fine.

Dark Azelf December 19th, 2008 9:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc4rfCh0mp (Post 4206564)
First of all, the basic set. 1: Ape wants a Life Orb in this case. 2. you have 598 EVs posted. The maximum number of EVs is 510. The EV set I recommend is 252 Spe/ 232 Spa/ 24 Atk, although you can tweak those around to your preference.
The moves themselves are a nice choice, if you can get an Ice Hidden power, though, put it over Thunderpunch. Otherwise, the set is fine.

Fix'd

eww hp electric.... hp ice please

FinalPaladin December 19th, 2008 10:42 AM

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sandveil
adamant nature
atk252/spe252/HP6
earthquake
crunch
dragon claw
swords dance

[email protected]
marvel scale
modest nature
SpD252/spA252/spe6
hydropump
icebeam
hypnosis
recover

i added the evs.who else should i put in.

i was thinkin of

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static
????? nature
spA???/atk???/spe???
explosion
light screen
thunderbolt
????????????

could i use this.please correct the ??????????s

TIC TAC December 19th, 2008 11:21 AM

So yeah, I've been using this Machamp along side other pokes to see how it fares, rate it? *I made this up uber quickly*
Machamp @ Expert Belt / Life Orb (Usually LO)
No Guard
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 Hp
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch
Dynamic Punch

Has worked Miracles with D-Punch!! Rate away! I give it 9.5/10 as it doesn't really cover everything, but it covers a lot and enough!

Zetta-Chan December 19th, 2008 12:19 PM

I would never use a No Guard 'Champ in BT ;_;. With all the OHKO moves around Sheer Cold, Fissure, Horn Drill, and others he gets eaten up. Guts is defiantely the way to go in BT, Rest Talk with Guts is the way to go. :>


http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/a/ae/068.png
Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature / Guts
252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Spe
Cross Chop
Stone Edge / Ice Punch
Rest
Sleep Talk

Stone Edge Vs. Ice Punch is just what kind of coverage you need. From lots of experience in BT I can say when you get to the higher numbers at least 1/2 of the trainers use OHKO. Personally though, I would prefer Swords Dance Luke > Champ.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/8/80/Spr_4p_448.png
Lucario @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature / Inner Focus
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Swords Dance
ExtremeSpeed
Close Combat
Stone Edge / Crunch / Ice Punch


This lets you have a better chance of evading OHKO's, and removes flinching because of Inner Focus. Stone Edge Vs. Crunch Vs. Ice Punch is all about coverage really.

moments. December 19th, 2008 12:22 PM

Ooh I have a question about making a Battle Tower team.
Would it be wise create a BT team based around Sandstorm so you can get the SP Def raise and the accuracy decrease on Pokemon using Sand Veil?

TIC TAC December 19th, 2008 12:25 PM

I'm pretty happy with my champ as it is, been working miracles.

Anti December 19th, 2008 12:35 PM

Well this is for the battle frontier's battle tower in emerald (that's third generation for those who are clueless), and I haven't tested it but whatever, it couldn't be any worse than my noob teams. In no particular order, my planned team:

Metagross @ Choice Band
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 24 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Meteor Miss
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Rock Slide

CBgross was awesome enough in adv competitive, but the advantage in this is that the slow stallish teams will lose two members to this (one from the appropriate CB attack and another from Explosion). good defensive typing and Toxic immunity is amazing. Yea, Rock Slide is a filler but Gyarados could be a problem otherwise.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

This is really fast (and trust me, I have the breeding resources available to make this have max speed. I mean it's pretty standard LOstar minus the LO because this is the previous generation lol.

Regice @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 56 SAtk / 4 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic
- Rest

The staller. Regice was actually really good when SR didn't exist for those who didn't know. Boltbeam is cool with 100 base SAtk and Toxic/ChestoRest is a good temporary staller.

-----------

i'm building up a whole army of competitive pokemon for the entire frontier, so I can make tons of switches between pokemon if necessary...which means feel free to move stuff around. I would like to keep Meta though since it's pretty damn awesome.

TIC TAC December 19th, 2008 12:38 PM

Yeah, they're decent one thing, I think Zen Headbutt might hit more pokemon for a SE hit or neutral damage than Rock Slide.

moments. December 19th, 2008 12:40 PM

Anti:
"Meteor Miss"? lol.
Do you mean Choice Band or something else because there were no Choice Bands in the previous generation.

Ambient December 19th, 2008 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noxious. (Post 4207075)
Anti:
"Meteor Miss"? lol.
Do you mean Choice Band or something else because there were no Choice Bands in the previous generation.

There were actually, take a look here:

http://www.smogon.com/rs/pokemon/metagross

Anti - Why not Psych Up instead of Toxic on Regice, it'll allow you to copy those annoying double teamers if their giving you a hard time, as well as giving calm minders something to think about.

moments. December 19th, 2008 12:57 PM

Reply:
Oh woah there were to!
Well I never did the BT in Gen 3 so I suppose I wouldn't know would I? :P

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/455.png
Item : Leftovers
Nature : Impish
EV's : 252 HP / 16 Atk / 152 Def / 88 SpD
Moveset :
  • Yawn
  • Slack Off
  • Toxic
  • Protect
Ok this is based off the set on Smogon for a Physical Wall with my own tweaks to the moveset. Basically I am wanting to abuse Sandveil in a BT team and I need someone to set up the sand. I intened to come in and start a sand storm, Yawn on Turn 1 and then switch to an attacker. I haven't used this in action yet but I presume it will be able to come in later (if need be) and toxic stall later on. Protect + Toxic = Stall fun and Slack Off is there for healing purposes and to help me stall.
I am all ears for removing Protect for an attacking move, perhaps Ice Fang so that I can hit things. I can still cripple Pokemon with Toxic while dishing out damage and aiding the stall with Slack Off.

Yes this is a lead set, no I have no experience in the Battle Tower so I am all ears to suggestions.

TIC TAC December 19th, 2008 1:02 PM

I may be rong, but I would recommend taking out yawn for EQ, two reasons :
1. EQ can take down Steels that Toxic doesn't hit.
2. You don't need two status moves, just keep toxic and wear them down ;)

Hope I helped!

moments. December 19th, 2008 1:05 PM

Well I read that Yawn leads are effective and that is basically why I chose it.
I have a question about that though. If I use Yawn in the Battle Tower, will the opponent be likely to leave his or her Pokemon in the Battle or switch to avoid sleep?
I haven't done a BT battle before and I am inclined to think that the AI's reasoning might be different to a person.

TIC TAC December 19th, 2008 1:15 PM

I don't use yawn, but I don't think they switch, but EQ is kind of a must have here, otherwise it's game over for your Hippo when a steel comes out.

Anti December 19th, 2008 2:00 PM

Specs and Scarf didn't exist but CB did.

Double Teamers are hardly annoying though since they're easy to stall out or kill right away. Besides, copying their evasion doesn't really solve the problem (lack of ability to hurt them) and it destroys regice's ability to really stall. I actually I had to make the Sleep Talk vs. Toxic decision on my own since nobody said anything when I posted in in the sticky lol

You know even in 4th gen Regice is pretty legit. SR (as far as I know) probably isn't a problem in the BT and it can just ChestoRest it off. I mean, SR was essentially THE reason of Regice's decline (amog others but that was 3/4 of it).


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