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Matt-O December 11th, 2008 2:25 PM

Guess what this is.
 
Did you guess RMT thread? Good, you were right. This is a team I've been using for a while, and I've really gotten to like it, but I think it could be better. This is a D/P team mind you, so I can't use Platinum moves. So without further ado, here's the team.

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Relaxed Nature
EVs: 240 HP, 216 Def, 52 Sp.Att
Ability: Torrent
Moves:
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock
Roar
My lead. Set's up rocks, attacks or switches, can return to P-Haze later. EQ for STAB, Ice Beam for flyers or anything else that EQ doesn't hit.

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Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Att
Ability: Pressure
Moves:
Will-o-Wisp
T-Punch
Shadow Sneak
Pain Split
My physical wall. Burns opponent with WoW, Pain Split for recovery. T-Punch covers Gyara and Shadow Sneak gives him priority, which is very useful to him.

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Careful Nature
EVs: 244 HP, 36 Def, 230 Sp. Def
Ability: Thich Fat
Moves:
Rest
Sleep Talk
Body Slam
Crunch
Rest-Talk Lax. Need I say more? Takes Special hits like a champ, and Rests off the damage. Sleep Talk so I'm not set up fodder. Body Slam for STAB, Crunch for Ghosts.

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Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Sp.Att, 172 HP, 84 Spd
Ability: Magnet Pull
Moves:
T-Bolt
HP Ice
Substitute
Magnet Rise
Possibly my favorite thing to use. Traps steels and kills them with ease. If the opponent switches he sets up a sub to hide behind, and can Magnet Rise away from Ground moves. T-Bolt and HP Ice for BoltBeam-ish coverage.

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Rash Nature
EVs: 252 Sp.Att, 64 Att, 192 Spd
Ability: Inner Focus
Moves:
Draco Meteor
T-Bolt
Fire Blast
Focus Punch
Choice Specs Dragonite?! What?! Actually, he's pretty good. Draco Meteor for STAB, T-Bolt and Fire Blast for covering steels that swich into him a lot. Focus Punch can, I believe OHKO Blissey on the switch, almost definately if SR is up.

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Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Ability: Arena Trap
Moves:
EQ
Stone Edge
Aerial Ace
Sucker Punch
Do I really need to explain? Standard revenge killer. Traps stuff and kills it. End of story. Sucker Punch for priority, EQ for STAB, Aerial Ace is for Hera I suppose, and Stone Edge covers flyers.

So there you have it, Rate Away! I've had success with it, but if there's some way to make it better, I'd love to hear it.

wolf December 11th, 2008 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt-O (Post 4186870)
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Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 224 Def, 28 Att These EVs are good on Dusknoir, just enough to 2HKO a few pokes.

Changes in bold, I might come back if I see something...

Matt-O December 11th, 2008 5:16 PM

He's not meant to kill much, his purpose is more to stand there and say, "Physical Attacks, LOL!" but I'll consider it. Giving him more power might be good. Anything else?

Noir Lancer December 11th, 2008 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt-O (Post 4186870)
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Relaxed Nature
EVs: 240 HP, 216 Def, 52 Sp.Att
Ability: Torrent
Moves:
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock
Roar
My lead. Set's up rocks, attacks or switches, can return to P-Haze later. EQ for STAB, Ice Beam for flyers or anything else that EQ doesn't hit

Standard spread is bad.

The special attack EVs aren't accomplishing anything without Hydro Pump unfortunately, might as well just put them into special defense.

I also never understood the reasoning behind 240 HP EVs instead of 236 EVs. Blissey can outstall Swampert so easily it's not even funny so whats the point to surviving 4 Seismic Tosses I ask? 236 gives you leftovers recovery.


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Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Att
Ability: Pressure
Moves:
Will-o-Wisp
T-Punch
Shadow Sneak
Pain Split
My physical wall. Burns opponent with WoW, Pain Split for recovery. T-Punch covers Gyara and Shadow Sneak gives him priority, which is very useful to him.
Shadow Sneak is such an overrated move, it cannot 2HKO Azelf and it cannot OHKO Gengar, as for actually countering them, Snorlax can do it so much better.

Fire Punch isntead, which provides a makeshift answer to Breloom and Heracross.

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Careful Nature
EVs: 244 HP, 36 Def, 230 Sp. Def
Ability: Thich Fat
Moves:
Rest
Sleep Talk
Body Slam
Crunch
Rest-Talk Lax. Need I say more? Takes Special hits like a champ, and Rests off the damage. Sleep Talk so I'm not set up fodder. Body Slam for STAB, Crunch for Ghosts.
204 HP/ 52 Def/ 252 S.Def

Much cleaner spread. Just an option to ponder over, but I found Earthquake + Fire Punch to have wonderful coverage as far as countering threats and hitting switch ins hard is concerned.

Matt-O December 12th, 2008 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir Lancer (Post 4187824)
Standard spread is bad.

The special attack EVs aren't accomplishing anything without Hydro Pump unfortunately, might as well just put them into special defense.

I also never understood the reasoning behind 240 HP EVs instead of 236 EVs. Blissey can outstall Swampert so easily it's not even funny so whats the point to surviving 4 Seismic Tosses I ask? 236 gives you leftovers recovery.


Shadow Sneak is such an overrated move, it cannot 2HKO Azelf and it cannot OHKO Gengar, as for actually countering them, Snorlax can do it so much better.

Fire Punch isntead, which provides a makeshift answer to Breloom and Heracross.

204 HP/ 52 Def/ 252 S.Def

Much cleaner spread. Just an option to ponder over, but I found Earthquake + Fire Punch to have wonderful coverage as far as countering threats and hitting switch ins hard is concerned.

Swampy: What does extra Sp.Def accomplish? Do I live an extra turn against anything, or is it just to put the EVs somewhere. I don't use him to stop Bliss much, and the extra point only helps with Bliss if he's lost his Lefties.

Dusknoir: Fire Punch is a good idea, I'll give it a try. I like Shadow Sneak, but with Scizor usage though the roof I might benefit from my physical wall packing a Fire move.

Lax: I think I'll leave him with Body Slam and Crunch, just because I love paralysis support. Might change the EVs though. Do I really need the Def? I was considering getting rid of those and maxing HP and Sp.Def.


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