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TwiggyTwink December 22nd, 2008 9:28 AM

Marshtomp's Weakness
 
SHORT STORY:

Which Pokemon is Marshtomp weak to?


LONG STORY:
Hi,

My cousin and I have had a rivalry since the first the Red/Blue version on the GameBoy. Now, ever since the beginning, I've always chosen the "cute" Pokemon like Jigglypuff, Chansey, Oddish, Clefairy, Evee, etc., and needless to say, my cousin was always able to beat me easily.

Now, we both have just started a challenge. Since our first semester of college is over and we both have time to kill, we've reignited our rivalry and we shall compete on Christmas Day... Now, he chose Mudkip, and I chose Torchic. We're both at the second stage of evolution (he's Marshtomp, I'm Combusken), and I would like to know Marshtomp's weakness. Like what Pokemon may I catch that will hit Marshtomp hard?


Thanks!


UPDATE: My cousin totally ruined the event last night because he leveled up his Pokemon to levels 34-35! I was pretty upset to say the least. He did a good job of ruining the whole match.

December 22nd, 2008 9:32 AM

To be honest, Flash works nicely for disrupting in any low-level RSE matches (>25, forget it). Other than that, obviously get a fungus on your party...

TwiggyTwink December 22nd, 2008 9:33 AM

We are both at level 30. Which fungus Pokemon do you suggest?

GoldenBagon December 22nd, 2008 9:41 AM

i think he meant a grass type but yeah marshtomp/swampert/wooper/quagsire are all hit hard by grass type moves

TwiggyTwink December 22nd, 2008 9:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenBagon (Post 4215406)
i think he meant a grass type but yeah marshtomp/swampert/wooper/quagsire are all hit hard by grass type moves


I have a Lombre, is that sufficient?

Haza December 22nd, 2008 9:49 AM

I think since you like Peach so much you should get a Shroomish and evolve it. Itll be kinda Toadish and be super effective on his starter.

syphilis December 22nd, 2008 9:54 AM

i don't know how far you are in the game, but if you can catch a tropius, that would be perfect.

GoldenBagon December 22nd, 2008 9:55 AM

yeah shroomish mega drain shud 2hko if not 1hko it

Kozoi December 22nd, 2008 10:17 AM

I'd reccomend you get an Oddish, not a Shroomish. The reason is that you do not want two fighting types in your team who are suspecible to flying-type moves.

I'd reccomend a Gardevoir, too since it can learn Icepunch, Firepunch and Thunderpunch which may provide a suprise to your friend when you next battle him. Yeah, Gardevoir can also learn Thunderbolt which you can get quite early in. They are rare and hard to train, but worth it.

Artemis December 22nd, 2008 11:03 AM

basically a grass type with great stats and moves can KO marshtomp.....

TwiggyTwink December 22nd, 2008 11:21 AM

Thanks everyone for your suggestions and assistance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozoi (Post 4215478)
I'd reccomend a Gardevoir, too since it can learn Icepunch, Firepunch and Thunderpunch which may provide a suprise to your friend when you next battle him. Yeah, Gardevoir can also learn Thunderbolt which you can get quite early in. They are rare and hard to train, but worth it.

Oh yeah, I have a Kirlia right now that I'm leveling up- she's my secondary/Lieutenant Pokemon after Combusken.

SethCullen December 22nd, 2008 11:26 AM

Well, Combusken should know Double Kick.

That should do some damage along side its Peck attack.

True Reign December 22nd, 2008 11:27 AM

You should get a Gloom with Mega Drain (or Giga Drain?), that way it would be easier for you to defeat your cousin. Once you get a Leaf Stone, you should evolve your Gloom for higher stats on your newly evolved Vileplume.

Good luck.

Lana. December 22nd, 2008 11:59 AM

Yeah. Listen to what everybody else is saying xD

Grass types.
They were/are the bane of my Swampert's existence, even with Ice Beam (seeing as Swampert isn't exactly fast...). A Breloom would outspeed a Marshtomp easily. Tropius wouldn't be bad either (immunity to ground types doesn't hurt, eh? xD)

shanecdavis December 22nd, 2008 12:32 PM

Personally, I wouldn't take any of the above advice. I am not sure how smart your friend is, but if I were him, I would make sure I had a Pokemon that covered Marshtomp's only weakness - Grass. An inexperience trainer will use Fire, exposing their team to further weaknesses, but a skilled opponent will use Flying.

With that in mind, I would highly suggest you use Gengar as your Marshtomp counter. It has Levitate, which makes it immune to Ground attacks, and can learn Giga Drain (a OHKO against Swampert). Not only is a good counter for Marshtomp, but it can learn Thunderbolt, which can take out the probable Flying-type Pokemon that your friend would probably use. On top of that, Gengar is also one of the best special sweepers in the game. The only question is whether or not you can get yourself a Gengar.

Good luck.

SethCullen December 22nd, 2008 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 4215795)
Personally, I wouldn't take any of the above advice. I am not sure how smart your friend is, but if I were him, I would make sure I had a Pokemon that covered Swampert's only weakness - Grass. An inexperience trainer will use Fire, exposing their team to further weaknesses, but a skilled opponent will use Flying.

With that in mind, I would highly suggest you use Gengar as your Swampert counter. It has Levitate, which makes it immune to Ground attacks, and can learn Giga Drain (a OHKO against Swampert). Not only is a good counter for Swampert, but it can learn Thunderbolt, which can take out the probable Flying-type Pokemon that your friend would probably use. On top of that, Gengar is also one of the best special sweepers in the game. The only question is whether or not you can get yourself a Gengar.

Good luck.


If you payed any attention, There both at level 30. As since I have been playing Pokemon Swampert isn't available at level 30.

True Reign December 22nd, 2008 2:24 PM

Shane, I'm pretty sure, that 'the above posters' clerified what to do. From what I see she's not a very experienced trainer, and even if they are, they have limited choices on what to do.

Ninja Caterpie December 22nd, 2008 2:43 PM

Lolwut! No! You should have chosen Mudkip! It's cuter too.
Marshtomp's only got one weakness - Grass. That, quite unfortunately, is covered by the most common move on Water Types - Ice Beam. If your friend's got Ice Beam, you're screwed. Get a Breloom/Tropius.

shanecdavis December 22nd, 2008 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SethCullen (Post 4215956)
If you payed any attention, There both at level 30. As since I have been playing Pokemon Swampert isn't available at level 30.

Not sure what this has to do with anything, as Marshtomp is the same type as Swampert, but I changed my original post to prevent some people from getting confused.

MetalMario December 22nd, 2008 7:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 4215795)
Personally, I wouldn't take any of the above advice. I am not sure how smart your friend is, but if I were him, I would make sure I had a Pokemon that covered Marshtomp's only weakness - Grass. An inexperience trainer will use Fire, exposing their team to further weaknesses, but a skilled opponent will use Flying.

With that in mind, I would highly suggest you use Gengar as your Marshtomp counter. It has Levitate, which makes it immune to Ground attacks, and can learn Giga Drain (a OHKO against Swampert). Not only is a good counter for Marshtomp, but it can learn Thunderbolt, which can take out the probable Flying-type Pokemon that your friend would probably use. On top of that, Gengar is also one of the best special sweepers in the game. The only question is whether or not you can get yourself a Gengar.

Good luck.

Good luck capturing Gastly in R/S. :cheeky:

Naturally, both teams can be expected to do their best to cover weaknesses. Since Marshtomp is your main concern, I'd suggest going with a special wall that resists Earthquake--Marshtomp's main Physical attack. (or a weaker, low-level Ground equivalent)

Claydol (Baltoy if you have a strict level rule and can't train) would be a good choice for this purpose, being immune to Earthquake. Without any EVs invested in HP/Sp.Def, he can still take at least two Surfs from a max Sp.Attack Marshtomp and KO with Solarbeam. (Too bad this isn't D/P, where he'd get the better option, Grass Knot.) Since EVs/IVs, or even Natures, aren't likely to be perfect, you'll probably be able to manage a third, or even a fourth hit if you make sure you have a +SDef Nature (Calm for this purpose) and lots of defensive EVs. You might like to have a Sunny Day assist from someone else on your team, such as Combusken, to remove the chargeup turn.

Kirlia also learns Magical Leaf by tutor in FR/LG (but not if you evolve it!), so that's an option if you have them. Shane's Gengar is also an option if you have them.

SkyPioneer December 22nd, 2008 8:28 PM

Your Lombre would work fine, if you could find the Giga Drain TM. Don't worry about tha 'tomp having ice beam, it's too early in the game to find the TM and your friend probably wouldn't think of teaching it anyway. Lombre is only weak to poison, flying, and bug type attacks.
The Giga Drain TM may be found on route 123.

Post Office Buddy December 23rd, 2008 12:26 AM

Whatever you do, do not use Tropius. Marshtomp/Swampert can destroy that thing with Ice Beam, while easily taking down your Combusken/Blaziken with a water or ground attack. Unless you had some unholy backup plan, you would lose a third of your team right off the get-go. I would suggest evolving your Lombre to Ludicolo ASAP, since that thing is a pain to kill without exploiting it's weaknesses. I normally would agree with Shanecdavis about the Gengar, but unless you have access to FR/LG, then there is no way you can get that. Any other grass type you could possibly choose will have at least a possible 2x weakness, 4x for Tropius, to Ice Beam. So yeah, Ludicolo is the way to go.

Oh, and good luck. Swampert is a beast. It isn't considered one of the best Pokemon in the without reason.

Yu_&_Rei December 23rd, 2008 12:32 AM

Wut u need is definantly a grass type, it works best.

Post Office Buddy December 23rd, 2008 1:01 AM

Everyone already said that above, and it's obvious that a grass type will work best when it is Marshtomp/Swampert's only weakness. The only issue here is determining which grass type to use against it. Still, I say Ludicolo... Ludicolo's typing will ensure that Marshtomp/Swampert will never hit it with anything more than 1x damage and it has STAB grass attacks with already a 4x grass weakness the Marshtomp/Swampert has.

dragpyre December 23rd, 2008 3:14 AM

get a sableye

then let your mate try to find its weakness

either that or what everyone else is saying, a ludicolo

Post Office Buddy December 23rd, 2008 3:53 AM

Sableye may not have any weaknesses, but it also won't have anything that can take a Swampert or Marshtomp down. That thing is simply too powerful and has a great blend of physical and special moves. You're almost required to take it down with a grass type. Very few non-grass type Pokemon in the game can touch it. Ludicolo just happens to have the right typing.

You have to balance out everything good with everything bad here. You could go with Sableye, but you would be compromising power for immunity from weakness. If you go with Tropius, you can avoid ground attacks but have 4x weakness to Ice Beam. Ludicolo is hit with, at most, 1x anything that family can throw at it, and can deal some damaging blows. The starter, Combusken or Blaziken, will just get owned at the start from either ground or water attacks. Gengar would be great, but getting one in R/S/E is impossible without FR/LG. Legendarys would work, but are 1)cheap and 2)impossible to get this early in the game.

There are several other Pokemon that I could give pros and cons for, but I think I have covered the significant ones as of now. Anyone else can feel free to suggest a valid Pokemon to take on Marshtomp/Swampert, but I doubt anything you can catch ingame can even compare to Ludicolo's advantage here.

nofxdino13 December 23rd, 2008 1:36 PM

Well, the only thing i can think of is that it is extremely weak against grass so you should get a grass pokemon

magix7 December 23rd, 2008 3:10 PM

Hmmmm...i dont think anybody said grass was its weakness....yeah so get a grass pokemon ;) im also having a christmas eve battle with my cuz....im going to wipe the floor with him.....

Zelda December 23rd, 2008 3:14 PM

Ok...well this is simply easy...the only weakness it has is Grass like everyone else said....lol

Post Office Buddy December 23rd, 2008 7:57 PM

Quote:

Hmmmm...i dont think anybody said grass was its weakness....yeah so get a grass pokemon
Did you even read the other twenty-something replies? Almost everyone that has posted has mentioned grass being it's only weakness. You're basically reiterating what everyone said, but without providing evidence.

If you use Ludicolo, then I would suggest either teaching it Giga Drain or Sunny Day and Solar Beam. Sunny day will weaken the power of ice, which is pretty much the only thing it has that will do any sort of damage against it, and Solar Beam won't have that annoying charge turn as long as Sunny Day is in effect. Plus, Blaziken/Combusken will benefit from the powerup if you need to switch in later in the battle.

Oh, and give it Ice Beam in case your opponent switches in to a flying type. That will certainly surprise him/her.

Haza December 23rd, 2008 8:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrincessPeach (Post 4215634)
Thanks everyone for your suggestions and assistance.



Oh yeah, I have a Kirlia right now that I'm leveling up- she's my secondary/Lieutenant Pokemon after Combusken.

Eh? A physical set on Gardevoir is sooo not cute!

Idiot! December 23rd, 2008 10:21 PM

Make sure Gardevoir has Psychic and ThunderBolt. Calm Mind is recommended.

Flygon can learn Sunny Day and Solar Beam, or Giga Drain if you cannot afford to set up. It is guranteed to be faster than Swampert and enjoys an immunity to EQ. The draw back is that you can only get Flygon by training Vibrava (which evolves from Trapinch at Lv35) until Level 45. Vibrava also have the same benefits, but it cannot gurantee to outrun Swampert. If I had misunderstood you when you posted that both of you are at Lv 30, ignore this paragraph.

Beautifly cannot outrun Swampert 100% of the time, but it usually does. It learns Mega Drain at Lv 24 and Giga Drain at Lv 38. It also benefits from an EQ immunity. Its SpAtk is even higher than Flygon's.

Sure, all of them suffers from Ice Beam, but if you can get them in safely (predict when your opponent uses EQ), it will mean trouble to Swampert.

Mind you, I am using Swampert here to give you a perspective of how strong Beautifly can be towards Marshtomp.

May I ask, which game are you using? Are you able to trade? Who is part of your team?

Kozoi December 24th, 2008 5:56 AM

Okay, a team i'd reccomend for you which is perfect for someone new or experienced to the game.

http://pokejungle.net/other/pokepet/Gardevoir.gif
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Calm Mind or Icepunch
Firepunch
(Okay, this one will just be a general powerhouse thanks to its great Sp. Attack and such)

http://pokejungle.net/other/pokepet/Blaziken.gif
Blazekick
Overheat
Sky Uppercut
Thunderpunch or Earthquake
(Okay, Blaziken owns. I'd reccomend you teach it Thunderpunch to deal with Water + Flying types)

http://pokejungle.net/other/pokepet/Whiscash.gif
Earthquake
Surf
Icebeam
Rock Tomb or Your Choice
(Okay, Whiscash is a vital powerhouse. Ice to deal with its grass weakness. It can learn Spark as an egg move if bred with Chinchou I think. I reccomend this moveset since it is typical and easy for a newbie to own their opponents with)

http://pokejungle.net/other/pokepet/Bellossom.gif
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Petaldance
Sludgebomb / Razor Leaf
(Okay, i'd reccomend a Bellossom for the simple fact you can get Oddish early in the game and a Sun Stone near the psychic gym)

http://pokejungle.net/other/pokepet/Wigglytuff.gif
Icepunch
Firepunch
Thunderpunch
Hypervoice
(Okay. Wigglytuff provides a good wall of HP to heal up and such. It also has a high attack stat for all three elemental punches which is very useful. Yes, I bet your thinking why should you have two elemental punch users. Wigglytuff and Gardevoir are completely different since Gardevoir will use special and Wigglytuff will use Physical and it will provide a very good wall of HP)

Thats my two cents on your team, its what I would reccomend considering you chose Torchic as your starter and evolved it. I'm not reccomending natures because I don't use natures or do EV training. You could also go with a flying type such as Skarmory or you could get a Flygon.

I'm not reccomending legendaries and good luck.

TwiggyTwink December 26th, 2008 6:44 AM

UPDATE: My cousin totally ruined the event last night because he leveled up his Pokemon to levels 34-35! We agreed on level 30 being the average of our Pokemon. I was pretty upset to say the least. He did a good job of ruining the whole match.

shanecdavis December 27th, 2008 8:10 AM

Sorry to hear that. That is mainly why I will only battle Lv100.

SkyPioneer December 28th, 2008 10:20 PM

Gah, what a royal pain. I suppose he's evolved it to Swampert now. Well, there's always next time. And make sure that if he overlevels his pokemon you won't battle, simple.

True Reign December 28th, 2008 10:50 PM

Wow, that must have been a complete bummer. Maybe next time?

Tbird December 28th, 2008 11:54 PM

I was in the same predicament a long time ago, but there were four of us, like a team battle so to speak.

Any who i too had a the combusken while my designated rival had the marshstomp.

long story short i got my partner to trade me a sun stone and tm 22 i think it is (solar beam) along with a sunkern ( i think either way i either ended up with sunflora or belossom).... short story even shorter i won lol

sucks that he's killed you with the training though, better luck next time eh ;)

Shiny December 29th, 2008 9:52 PM

If you guys will battle again, catch a Lotad, it'll be super effective against Marshtomp but Marshtomp's water attacks won't do that much damage to you

caseythomasowns December 29th, 2008 10:36 PM

very easy u like cute pokemon right get odish and if you want it beautiful ust trade it to get bellosom.

pokeninja147 January 3rd, 2009 1:04 AM

any leaf pokemon, NOT electric because he'll just use his mud shot or something

preferably a shroomish, no attackis his marshtomp will know will be effective agianst it

GOOD LUCKS

ps mega drain is gonna be your best friend

Aegis January 3rd, 2009 4:17 PM

Okay guys, the question was answered long ago XD And now I'm seeing talk of Sableye and Oddish and other random stuff @[email protected]; Getting off topic.

Also, in the future, just use Google or consult a fansite to find answers to questions like these, or just use the Simple Question & Answer thread~ :3

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