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Well, running with the stall element, you've only got a few options for TTar. ResTalk Machamp/Hariyama or Reflegross - Like CB Gross but with Leftovers and Reflect. Same EVs, although you can run it bulkier if you wish.
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Machamp @ Leftovers Adamant 252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 Def / 4 Spe Dynamicpunch Ice Punch / Stone Edge Rest Sleep Talk |
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For the record, 252 HP / 104 Def Metagross cannot be 2HKOd by Crunch or OHKOd by Earthquake. Meteor Mash on the other hand, OHKOs Max HP TTar. It's not that unreliable. |
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306 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 25.74%-31.19% Sure is making short work of TTar. Even if you run MAX Attack, the results aren't "making short work of him". 405 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 34.16%-40.59% Who even runs BP on a Reflect Metagross? Anyway, get your facts straight before suggesting something to counter something. |
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This has to assume that Metagross is switched in on a Crunch. It only requires a little prediction to see whether you're going to take a Crunch or Stone Edge. If you can see a Crunch coming, switch in Skarm. I never actually said it was a "counter". It is shakey, an you'd have to tweak it, but it could work. I'll admit Bullet Punch was a stupid suggestion. On another note, what's Hariyama like for dealing with TTar? It gets decent support options... |
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Eh, CB on a Stall team isn't great, in my opinion... I think Machamp can just switch in on a Crunch, and plus with Wish support, he can take the damage. IDK if he will outspeed Tyranitar (which may not with 4 Spe EVs), he can still take a hit since he is physical wall based, and hit with a Dynamic Punch to OHKO. Hariyama is a option over Machamp, although he seems just a lower based Machamp... Here is a Rest Talk set that absorbs status:
Hariyama (M) Item: Leftovers Ability: Thick Fat Nature: Impish EVs: 76 HP/ 180 Atk/ 252 Def Moveset: ~ Ice Punch ~ Rest ~ Sleep Talk ~ Cross Chop/ Force Palm Also, Metagross could fit in my team nicely if he is a Scarf Tricker? |
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Consider Hariyama, then as you have Paralysis support with Force Palm and the option to run Thick Fat. Rest / Sleep Talk / Force Palm / Ice Punch would be the set to run, but Machamp is fine. For the record, Stone Edge may have 8 PP, but it won't lose PP when selected by Sleep Talk, so keep that in mind. |
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Also, everyone, I think my team needs a Perish Songer as D_A said, it will get rid of Suicune once they are down to one Pokemon (like the looooooooooooooooooooooooooong battle against a Stockpile Rest Talk Swalot, which surprisingly good), and I have two Pokemon... And also causes a switch eventually. Here was a battle log if you are interested in skimming through about the looooong battle...: Spoiler:
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Note to self. Never open that spoiler again....Ever.
Perish Song is a really limited move. Probably the only viable users in OU are Celebi and maybe Mismagius/Politoed. Celebi is great on a stall team, giving Cleric support as well as Reflect support if you need it. I don't see where you'll fit it in, though. |
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Celebi @ Leftovers Calm 252 HP/ 220 SpD/ 36 Spe ~ Psychic ~ Perish Song ~ Leech Seed ~ Heal Bell Although, I miss my Wish support............ OR Celebi @ Leftovers Calm 252 HP/ 220 SpD/ 36 Spe ~ U-turn ~ Perish Song ~ Grass Knot ~ Recover Except this seems a bit bad since I have no Cleric or Wish support... Usually I have Def EVs, but SpD EVs since I have mostly physical walls... |
Sorry, Celebi isn't going to be replacing Blissey anytime soon. Its typing makes it a poor Special Wall. Ghost, Dark, Fire, Ice... Shall I stop there? That's why I said it'll be a pain to fit in.
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Unless you can find a better way to deal with Mence and Put Celebi over Porygon2, as it can handle Gyarados pretty well.
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>.< Internet went down...
If that, then it would do well actually. Here is a maybe moveset: Celebi @ Leftovers Bold 252 HP/ 220 Def/ 36 Spe ~ Thunder Wave ~ Grass Knot ~ Perish Song ~ Recover Hmm... Is that okay? Machamp handles DD Mence, CB Mence (hopefully) w/ Ice Punch. MixMence a Specs Mence is a problem though... Specs Mence gets destoyed by Blissey though. |
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EDIT: +1 Mence's Outrage: 607 Atk vs 250 Def = 81.51% - 96.09% With Life Orb it's an undeniable OHKO. |
K, I wasn't for sure on that... Anyways, I think I should keep Porygon2 in there the way it is.
Does anyone think Skarmory should be taken out for Gliscor? |
I think u're fine with Skarmory actually...since it is immune to earthquake and toxic, and has little weaknessed...
but also, why not make ur porygon2 a Zee instead? for the extra power??? |
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:O Definitely not!!! P2 is my counter for DDMence and such... I don't need power since this is a Stall team, and PZ gets lowered defenses. Plus he doesn't have Trace which back fires Intimidate and Flash Fire. |
May I just add something?
If you have No guard on Champ...I would seriously consider switching Ice Punch for Stone Edge...More power, and accurasy won't matter ... |
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Umm... Should I replace Ice Beam/ Flamethrower with Softboiled? Also, what is better on Skarmory? SR, or Spikes? |
Since Skarmory is your lead it may be alright with those two moves (SR and spikes) as for Blissey...I do not think it would be too much of a bad idea...I think...
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