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Archer January 15th, 2009 5:12 PM

Well, running with the stall element, you've only got a few options for TTar. ResTalk Machamp/Hariyama or Reflegross - Like CB Gross but with Leftovers and Reflect. Same EVs, although you can run it bulkier if you wish.

. January 15th, 2009 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283083)
Well, running with the stall element, you've only got a few options for TTar. ResTalk Machamp/Hariyama or Reflegross - Like CB Gross but with Leftovers and Reflect. Same EVs, although you can run it bulkier if you wish.

I'd like to be the first to say DON'T USE METAGROSS AS YOUR TYRANITAR COUNTER. DO NOT. Machamp is a great answer to Snorlax, Weavile, Tyranitar, Blissey, etc...

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 Def / 4 Spe
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch / Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk

Archer January 15th, 2009 6:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by . (Post 4283104)
I'd like to be the first to say DON'T USE METAGROSS AS YOUR TYRANITAR COUNTER. DO NOT. Machamp is a great answer to Snorlax, Weavile, Tyranitar, Blissey, etc...

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 Spe / 4 Spe
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch / Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk

I said it could deal with it. Bullet Punch makes short work of it. I realise it can't take too many Crunches/EQs/Fire Punches. Don't you mean 216 Def on that Machamp? Otherwise it won't do any better than Gross.

For the record, 252 HP / 104 Def Metagross cannot be 2HKOd by Crunch or OHKOd by Earthquake. Meteor Mash on the other hand, OHKOs Max HP TTar. It's not that unreliable.

wolf January 15th, 2009 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283083)
Well, running with the stall element, you've only got a few options for TTar. ResTalk Machamp/Hariyama or Reflegross - Like CB Gross but with Leftovers and Reflect. Same EVs, although you can run it bulkier if you wish.

Hmm... *Looks below*
Quote:

Originally Posted by . (Post 4283104)
I'd like to be the first to say DON'T USE METAGROSS AS YOUR TYRANITAR COUNTER. DO NOT. Machamp is a great answer to Snorlax, Weavile, Tyranitar, Blissey, etc...

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 Spe / 4 Spe
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch / Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk

Wait? I those 216 Spe EVs for Def instead, if not, then he will not survive a single hit from Tyranitar, unless a few. Other than that, and I can switch bak to him!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283279)
I said it could deal with it. Bullet Punch makes short work of it. I realise it can't take too many Crunches/EQs/Fire Punches. Don't you mean 216 Def on that Machamp? Otherwise it won't do any better than Gross.

Although, since Tyranitar is a bit bulky, and Machamp's EVs are not solely for Attack, it might not OHKO, but maybe 2HKO... Yeah, I was wondering what those EVs were for... BTW, thanks for more posts! ;)

. January 15th, 2009 6:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283279)
I said it could deal with it. Bullet Punch makes short work of it. I realise it can't take too many Crunches/EQs/Fire Punches. Don't you mean 216 Def on that Machamp? Otherwise it won't do any better than Gross.

Yes, 216 Def, obvious typo. And LOL @ "Bullet Punch makes short work of it". If you want a Defensive Metagross, I assume you're using 252 HP / 234 Def / 12 Spe <--- ?

306 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 25.74%-31.19%

Sure is making short work of TTar. Even if you run MAX Attack, the results aren't "making short work of him".

405 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 34.16%-40.59%

Who even runs BP on a Reflect Metagross? Anyway, get your facts straight before suggesting something to counter something.

wolf January 15th, 2009 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by . (Post 4283305)
Yes, 216 Def, obvious typo. And LOL @ "Bullet Punch makes short work of it". If you want a Defensive Metagross, I assume you're using 252 HP / 234 Def / 12 Spe <--- ?

306 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 25.74%-31.19%

Sure is making short work of TTar. Even if you run MAX Attack, the results aren't "making short work of him".

405 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 34.16%-40.59%

Who even runs BP on a Reflect Metagross? Anyway, get your facts straight before suggesting something to counter something.

Yeah, I knew it had to be Defense EVs. Oh, I was right, Bullet Punch doesn't do much either way!

Archer January 15th, 2009 6:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by . (Post 4283305)
Yes, 216 Def, obvious typo. And LOL @ "Bullet Punch makes short work of it". If you want a Defensive Metagross, I assume you're using 252 HP / 234 Def / 12 Spe <--- ?

306 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 25.74%-31.19%

Sure is making short work of TTar. Even if you run MAX Attack, the results aren't "making short work of him".

405 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 34.16%-40.59%

Who even runs BP on a Reflect Metagross? Anyway, get your facts straight before suggesting something to counter something.

CB Bullet Punch 2HKOs DDTar. The CB Set can be outpaced with 12 Spd and both are OHKOd with Meteor Mash.

This has to assume that Metagross is switched in on a Crunch. It only requires a little prediction to see whether you're going to take a Crunch or Stone Edge. If you can see a Crunch coming, switch in Skarm. I never actually said it was a "counter". It is shakey, an you'd have to tweak it, but it could work. I'll admit Bullet Punch was a stupid suggestion.

On another note, what's Hariyama like for dealing with TTar? It gets decent support options...

. January 15th, 2009 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283352)
CB Bullet Punch 2HKOs DDTar. The CB Set can be outpaced with 12 Spd and both are OHKOd with Meteor Mash.

This has to assume that Metagross is switched in on a Crunch. It only requires a little prediction to see whether you're going to take a Crunch or Stone Edge. If you can see a Crunch coming, switch in Skarm. I never actually said it was a "counter". It is shakey, an you'd have to tweak it, but it could work. I'll admit Bullet Punch was a stupid suggestion.

On another note, what's Hariyama like for dealing with TTar? It gets decent support options...

It's a check if all else, and therefore you might as well be using CB Metagross, since it does the EXACT same thing but also isn't useless as hell outside of them. Hariyama is also the best TTar counter in the game btw.

wolf January 15th, 2009 7:16 PM

Eh, CB on a Stall team isn't great, in my opinion... I think Machamp can just switch in on a Crunch, and plus with Wish support, he can take the damage. IDK if he will outspeed Tyranitar (which may not with 4 Spe EVs), he can still take a hit since he is physical wall based, and hit with a Dynamic Punch to OHKO. Hariyama is a option over Machamp, although he seems just a lower based Machamp... Here is a Rest Talk set that absorbs status:

Hariyama (M)
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Impish
EVs: 76 HP/ 180 Atk/ 252 Def
Moveset:
~ Ice Punch
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Cross Chop/ Force Palm

Also, Metagross could fit in my team nicely if he is a Scarf Tricker?

Archer January 15th, 2009 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by . (Post 4283375)
It's a check if all else, and therefore you might as well be using CB Metagross, since it does the EXACT same thing but also isn't useless as hell outside of them. Hariyama is also the best TTar counter in the game btw.

Okay, I'll admit that I was wrong in suggesting Reflegross, but CBGross is indeed a check, albeit not perfect. It won't fit in the team well, though.

Consider Hariyama, then as you have Paralysis support with Force Palm and the option to run Thick Fat. Rest / Sleep Talk / Force Palm / Ice Punch would be the set to run, but Machamp is fine. For the record, Stone Edge may have 8 PP, but it won't lose PP when selected by Sleep Talk, so keep that in mind.

wolf January 15th, 2009 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by . (Post 4283375)
It's a check if all else, and therefore you might as well be using CB Metagross, since it does the EXACT same thing but also isn't useless as hell outside of them. Hariyama is also the best TTar counter in the game btw.

Yeah, I might stick with Machamp.
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Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283404)
Okay, I'll admit that I was wrong in suggesting Reflegross, but CBGross is indeed a check, albeit not perfect. It won't fit in the team well, though.

Consider Hariyama, then as you have Paralysis support with Force Palm and the option to run Thick Fat. Rest / Sleep Talk / Force Palm / Ice Punch would be the set to run, but Machamp is fine. For the record, Stone Edge may have 8 PP, but it won't lose PP when selected by Sleep Talk, so keep that in mind.

Yeah, I already have TWave on P2, so it will almost be the same as Machamp... Machamp also gives Confusion support also, and yes, but I did a battle with one, and I ran out of PP quick with Sleep Talk...

Also, everyone, I think my team needs a Perish Songer as D_A said, it will get rid of Suicune once they are down to one Pokemon (like the looooooooooooooooooooooooooong battle against a Stockpile Rest Talk Swalot, which surprisingly good), and I have two Pokemon... And also causes a switch eventually. Here was a battle log if you are interested in skimming through about the looooong battle...:
Spoiler:
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
DA_dramonic sent out Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?).
Wolflare sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Togekiss used Aura Sphere.
Bronzong lost 29% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Togekiss used Air Slash.
It's not very effective...
Bronzong lost 20% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Bronzong flinched!
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Togekiss used Air Slash.
It's not very effective...
Bronzong lost 19% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Bronzong flinched!
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Togekiss used Air Slash.
It's not very effective...
Bronzong lost 20% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Bronzong flinched!
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Togekiss used Air Slash.
It's not very effective...
Bronzong lost 20% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Bronzong flinched!
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Togekiss used Aura Sphere.
Bronzong lost 22% of its health.
Wolflare's Bronzong fainted.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Togekiss used Aura Sphere.
It's super effective!
Blissey lost 26% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
Togekiss is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Togekiss used Extremespeed.
Dragonite lost 15% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
Dragonite used Light Screen.
A barrier was formed!
Togekiss used Air Slash.
Dragonite lost 26% of its health.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
Dragonite used Dragon Claw.
Togekiss lost 10% of its health.
DA_dramonic's Togekiss fainted.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Registeel (lvl 100 Registeel).
Pointed stones dug into Registeel.
Registeel lost 6% of its health.
Wolflare switched in Arcanine (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Registeel used Thunder Wave.
Arcanine is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Registeel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Registeel restored 6% of its health.
---
Registeel used Stealth Rock.
Arcanine used Will-o-wisp.
Registeel was burned!
Registeel was hurt by its burn!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Espeon (lvl 100 Espeon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Espeon.
Espeon lost 12% of its health.
Wolflare switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Suicune.
Suicune lost 12% of its health.
Suicune's light screen wore off!
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Espeon used Psychic.
Suicune lost 38% of its health.
Suicune used Calm Mind.
Suicune's special attack was raised.
Suicune's special defence was raised.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Espeon used Psychic.
Suicune lost 25% of its health.
Suicune used Calm Mind.
Suicune's special attack was raised.
Suicune's special defence was raised.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Espeon used Psychic.
Suicune lost 18% of its health.
Suicune's special defence was lowered.
Suicune used Roar.
DA_dramonic switched in Hitmonchan (lvl 100 Hitmonchan ?).
Pointed stones dug into Hitmonchan.
Hitmonchan lost 6% of its health.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Hitmonchan used Mach Punch.
Suicune lost 21% of its health.
Suicune used Surf.
Hitmonchan lost 74% of its health.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dragonite.
Dragonite lost 25% of its health.
Hitmonchan used Mach Punch.
It's not very effective...
Dragonite lost 13% of its health.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
Hitmonchan used Mach Punch.
It's not very effective...
Dragonite lost 15% of its health.
Dragonite used Roost.
Dragonite restored 50% of its health.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
Hitmonchan used Mach Punch.
It's not very effective...
Dragonite lost 15% of its health.
Dragonite used Dragon Claw.
Hitmonchan lost 20% of its health.
DA_dramonic's Hitmonchan fainted.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Kangaskhan (lvl 100 Kangaskhan ?).
Pointed stones dug into Kangaskhan.
Kangaskhan lost 12% of its health.
Wolflare switched in Arcanine (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Arcanine's intimidate cut Kangaskhan's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Arcanine.
Arcanine lost 25% of its health.
Kangaskhan used Ice Punch.
It's not very effective...
Arcanine lost 6% of its health.
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Registeel (lvl 100 Registeel).
Pointed stones dug into Registeel.
Registeel lost 6% of its health.
Arcanine is paralysed! It can't move!
Registeel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Registeel restored 6% of its health.
Registeel was hurt by its burn!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dragonite.
Dragonite lost 25% of its health.
Registeel used Curse.
Registeel's speed was lowered.
Registeel's attack was raised.
Registeel's defence was raised.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
Registeel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Registeel restored 6% of its health.
Registeel was hurt by its burn!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
---
Dragonite used Roost.
Dragonite restored 42% of its health.
Registeel used Thunder Wave.
Dragonite is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Registeel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Registeel restored 6% of its health.
Registeel was hurt by its burn!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
---
Registeel used Curse.
Registeel's speed was lowered.
Registeel's attack was raised.
Registeel's defence was raised.
Dragonite used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Registeel lost 22% of its health.
Registeel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Registeel restored 6% of its health.
Registeel was hurt by its burn!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
---
Registeel used Curse.
Registeel's speed was lowered.
Registeel's attack was raised.
Registeel's defence was raised.
Dragonite used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Registeel lost 17% of its health.
Registeel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Registeel restored 6% of its health.
Registeel was hurt by its burn!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
---
Dragonite used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
DA_dramonic's Registeel fainted.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Kangaskhan (lvl 100 Kangaskhan ?).
Pointed stones dug into Kangaskhan.
Kangaskhan lost 12% of its health.
Wolflare switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Machamp.
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Kangaskhan used Return.
Machamp lost 53% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Suicune.
Suicune lost 12% of its health.
Kangaskhan used Return.
Suicune lost 5% of its health.
Wolflare's Suicune fainted.
---
Wolflare switched in Arcanine (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Arcanine's intimidate cut Kangaskhan's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Arcanine.
Arcanine lost 25% of its health.
Kangaskhan used Return.
Arcanine lost 24% of its health.
Arcanine used Will-o-wisp.
Kangaskhan was burned!
Kangaskhan was hurt by its burn!
Kangaskhan lost 12% of its health.
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dragonite.
Dragonite lost 25% of its health.
Kangaskhan used Return.
Dragonite lost 13% of its health.
Kangaskhan was hurt by its burn!
Kangaskhan lost 12% of its health.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
Kangaskhan used Return.
Dragonite lost 14% of its health.
Dragonite used Dragon Claw.
Kangaskhan lost 49% of its health.
Kangaskhan was hurt by its burn!
Kangaskhan lost 2% of its health.
DA_dramonic's Kangaskhan fainted.
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Espeon (lvl 100 Espeon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Espeon.
Espeon lost 12% of its health.
Espeon used Psychic.
Dragonite lost 46% of its health.
Dragonite used Light Screen.
A barrier was formed!
Dragonite's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dragonite restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Espeon used Psychic.
Blissey lost 8% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Swalot (lvl 100 Swalot ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swalot.
Swalot lost 12% of its health.
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
Swalot is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Swalot is paralysed! It can't move!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Machamp.
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot stockpiled 1!
Swalot's defence was raised.
Swalot's special defence was raised.
Machamp's light screen wore off!
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Sleep Talk.
But it failed!
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot stockpiled 2!
Swalot's defence was raised.
Swalot's special defence was raised.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Rest.
Machamp fell asleep!
Machamp restored 47% of its health.
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot stockpiled 3!
Swalot's defence was raised.
Swalot's special defence was raised.
---
Machamp is fast asleep!
Swalot is paralysed! It can't move!
---
Machamp is fast asleep!
Machamp used Sleep Talk.
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 7% of its health.
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 7% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Machamp woke up!
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 14% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Machamp used Payback.
A critical hit!
Swalot lost 63% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 65% of its health.
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 13% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 6% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 7% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 6% of its health.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Counter.
Machamp lost 14% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 6% of its health.
Swalot used Counter.
Machamp lost 14% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Blissey used Softboiled.
Blissey restored 28% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 52% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot is fast asleep!
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Counter.
Blissey lost 31% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Arcanine (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Pointed stones dug into Arcanine.
Arcanine lost 25% of its health.
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 50% of its health.
Arcanine used Roar.
DA_dramonic switched in Espeon (lvl 100 Espeon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Espeon.
Espeon lost 12% of its health.
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Espeon used Psychic.
Blissey lost 13% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Espeon used Quick Attack.
Blissey lost 8% of its health.
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
Espeon is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Blissey is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Espeon is paralysed! It can't move!
Blissey is paralysed! It can't move!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Espeon used Psychic.
Blissey lost 14% of its health.
Blissey used Softboiled.
Blissey restored 47% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Swalot (lvl 100 Swalot ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swalot.
Swalot lost 12% of its health.
Blissey is paralysed! It can't move!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Arcanine (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Arcanine's intimidate cut Swalot's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Arcanine.
Arcanine lost 25% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Arcanine used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Arcanine used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Arcanine used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot stockpiled 1!
Swalot's defence was raised.
Swalot's special defence was raised.
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Arcanine used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Swalot lost 18% of its health.
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 75% of its health.
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Arcanine used Roar.
DA_dramonic switched in Espeon (lvl 100 Espeon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Espeon.
Espeon lost 12% of its health.
Arcanine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Arcanine restored 6% of its health.
---
Arcanine used Flamethrower.
Espeon lost 45% of its health.
Espeon used Psychic.
Arcanine lost 36% of its health.
Wolflare's Arcanine fainted.
---
Wolflare switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Machamp.
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Wolflare switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dragonite.
Dragonite lost 20% of its health.
Wolflare's Dragonite fainted.
Espeon used Psychic.
But there was no target!
---
Wolflare switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Espeon lost 5% of its health.
DA_dramonic's Espeon fainted.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_dramonic switched in Swalot (lvl 100 Swalot ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swalot.
Swalot lost 12% of its health.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 0% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Machamp.
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot stockpiled 1!
Swalot's defence was raised.
Swalot's special defence was raised.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot stockpiled 2!
Swalot's defence was raised.
Swalot's special defence was raised.
Machamp used Payback.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 8% of its health.
Swalot used Counter.
Machamp lost 16% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot stockpiled 3!
Swalot's defence was raised.
Swalot's special defence was raised.
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
Swalot lost 10% of its health.
Swalot became confused!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Swalot lost 2% of its health.
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 12% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is confused!
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 51% of its health.
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 13% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Wolflare switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 0% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot snapped out of confusion!
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 0% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 44% of its health.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot is fast asleep!
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
---
Wolflare switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Machamp.
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Machamp used Payback.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Machamp used Payback.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Swalot lost 50% of its health.
Swalot became confused!
Swalot is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Swalot lost 2% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot snapped out of confusion!
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 47% of its health.
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
Swalot lost 10% of its health.
Swalot became confused!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
Swalot lost 10% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
Swalot lost 10% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 7% of its health.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Swalot lost 2% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Payback.
Swalot lost 7% of its health.
Swalot is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Swalot lost 2% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Payback has no PP left!
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
Swalot lost 11% of its health.
Swalot snapped out of confusion!
Swalot used Counter.
Machamp lost 22% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 41% of its health.
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Dynamicpunch has no PP left!
Wolflare switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 0% of its health.
---
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 44% of its health.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot is fast asleep!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Stockpile.
Swalot couldn't stockpile any more!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 44% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 56% of its health.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot is fast asleep!
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Substitute.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot made a substitute!
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Swalot used Rest.
Swalot fell asleep!
Swalot restored 31% of its health.
Blissey used Softboiled.
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot is fast asleep!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot is fast asleep!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot woke up!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Swalot used Rest.
But it failed!
Blissey used Softboiled.
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot used Substitute.
But it failed!
---
Swalot used Substitute.
But it failed!
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
---
Swalot used Substitute.
But it failed!
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
---
Swalot used Substitute.
But it failed!
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
---
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Aromatherapy.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Softboiled.
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
DA_dramonic: how many pps you have left?
Wolflare: ehh, just a little
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Wolflare: how much do you have?
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
DA_dramonic: 13
Wolflare: oh
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Wolflare: Seiemic Toss=3
Swalot used Rest.
But it failed!
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Counter.
But it failed!
---
DA_dramonic: you call that just a little?
Swalot used Rest.
But it failed!
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
---
Wolflare: that is thunder wave, seismic toss is very low
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Swalot used Struggle.
Blissey lost 9% of its health.
Swalot was hit by recoil!
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot used Struggle.
Blissey lost 8% of its health.
Swalot was hit by recoil!
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Swalot!
Swalot's substitute faded!
Swalot used Struggle.
Blissey lost 8% of its health.
Swalot was hit by recoil!
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Swalot's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Swalot restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swalot lost 25% of its health.
Swalot used Struggle.
Blissey lost 8% of its health.
Swalot was hit by recoil!
Swalot lost 19% of its health.
DA_dramonic's Swalot fainted.
Wolflare wins!
Wolflare: gg
DA_dramonic: gg
DA_dramonic has left the room.
. :D

Archer January 15th, 2009 7:56 PM

Note to self. Never open that spoiler again....Ever.
Perish Song is a really limited move. Probably the only viable users in OU are Celebi and maybe Mismagius/Politoed. Celebi is great on a stall team, giving Cleric support as well as Reflect support if you need it. I don't see where you'll fit it in, though.

wolf January 15th, 2009 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283470)
Note to self. Never open that spoiler again....Ever.
Perish Song is a really limited move. Probably the only viable users in OU are Celebi and maybe Mismagius/Politoed. Celebi is great on a stall team, giving Cleric support as well as Reflect support if you need it. I don't see where you'll fit it in, though.

XD Yeah, it is the loooooooooooooooongest battle I ever did! Celebi was what I was thinking... I could take out Blissey and put in Celebi with this:

Celebi @ Leftovers
Calm
252 HP/ 220 SpD/ 36 Spe
~ Psychic
~ Perish Song
~ Leech Seed
~ Heal Bell

Although, I miss my Wish support............
OR

Celebi @ Leftovers
Calm
252 HP/ 220 SpD/ 36 Spe
~ U-turn
~ Perish Song
~ Grass Knot
~ Recover

Except this seems a bit bad since I have no Cleric or Wish support... Usually I have Def EVs, but SpD EVs since I have mostly physical walls...

Archer January 15th, 2009 8:20 PM

Sorry, Celebi isn't going to be replacing Blissey anytime soon. Its typing makes it a poor Special Wall. Ghost, Dark, Fire, Ice... Shall I stop there? That's why I said it'll be a pain to fit in.

wolf January 15th, 2009 8:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4283514)
Sorry, Celebi isn't going to be replacing Blissey anytime soon. Its typing makes it a poor Special Wall. Ghost, Dark, Fire, Ice... Shall I stop there? That's why I said it'll be a pain to fit in.

I agree on that as I put many ... in it! lol Even though it helps with my Electric weak, I think it shouldn't be replaced... And Seismic Toss Blissey does the job good also! ;)

Archer January 15th, 2009 8:30 PM

Unless you can find a better way to deal with Mence and Put Celebi over Porygon2, as it can handle Gyarados pretty well.

wolf January 15th, 2009 8:50 PM

>.< Internet went down...

If that, then it would do well actually. Here is a maybe moveset:
Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/ 220 Def/ 36 Spe
~ Thunder Wave
~ Grass Knot
~ Perish Song
~ Recover

Hmm... Is that okay? Machamp handles DD Mence, CB Mence (hopefully) w/ Ice Punch. MixMence a Specs Mence is a problem though... Specs Mence gets destoyed by Blissey though.

Archer January 15th, 2009 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolflare (Post 4283564)
>.< Internet went down...

If that, then it would do well actually. Here is a maybe moveset:
Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/ 220 Def/ 36 Spe
~ Thunder Wave
~ Grass Knot
~ Perish Song
~ Recover

Hmm... Is that okay? Machamp handles DD Mence, CB Mence (hopefully) w/ Ice Punch. MixMence a Specs Mence is a problem though... Specs Mence gets destoyed by Blissey though.

Not with Outrage being spammed, it won't. Sure, it OHKOs it, but I'm pretty sure DD Outrage OHKOs you. I'll edit with confirmation.

EDIT: +1 Mence's Outrage:
607 Atk vs 250 Def = 81.51% - 96.09%

With Life Orb it's an undeniable OHKO.

wolf January 16th, 2009 7:25 AM

K, I wasn't for sure on that... Anyways, I think I should keep Porygon2 in there the way it is.

Does anyone think Skarmory should be taken out for Gliscor?

Artemis January 16th, 2009 9:58 AM

I think u're fine with Skarmory actually...since it is immune to earthquake and toxic, and has little weaknessed...

but also, why not make ur porygon2 a Zee instead? for the extra power???

wolf January 16th, 2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Quick_Kid (Post 4284943)
I think u're fine with Skarmory actually...since it is immune to earthquake and toxic, and has little weaknessed...

but also, why not make ur porygon2 a Zee instead? for the extra power???

K, I will.

:O Definitely not!!! P2 is my counter for DDMence and such... I don't need power since this is a Stall team, and PZ gets lowered defenses. Plus he doesn't have Trace which back fires Intimidate and Flash Fire.

Barney. January 16th, 2009 10:04 AM

May I just add something?

If you have No guard on Champ...I would seriously consider switching Ice Punch for Stone Edge...More power, and accurasy won't matter ...

Artemis January 16th, 2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolflare (Post 4284949)
K, I will.

:O Definitely not!!! P2 is my counter for DDMence and such... I don't need power since this is a Stall team, and PZ gets lowered defenses. Plus he doesn't have Trace which back fires Intimidate and Flash Fire.

glad u were thinking of those things...GOOD JOB!!! lol...I think u're pretty set with this team because u've covered a lot of ur wekanessed and u've built a pretty sturdy team as well...

wolf January 16th, 2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazeavile (Post 4284957)
May I just add something?

If you have No guard on Champ...I would seriously consider switching Ice Punch for Stone Edge...More power, and accurasy won't matter ...

I don't care about accuracy, it is PP usage... It also 2HKOs Gliscor how otherwise blocks this set.

Umm... Should I replace Ice Beam/ Flamethrower with Softboiled? Also, what is better on Skarmory? SR, or Spikes?

Artemis January 16th, 2009 2:03 PM

Since Skarmory is your lead it may be alright with those two moves (SR and spikes) as for Blissey...I do not think it would be too much of a bad idea...I think...


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