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EDIT : Gallade takes like 80% from CB Stone Edge lol Speaking of which, DD Tar is pretty nasty to you. You might want to scarf Celebi so you can revenge kill it, and other threats. |
Hm, scarfing Celebi sounds like it could work. I dunno, I've never scarfed a wall before, haha!
I dunno, I'm hesitant about replacing Gallade. I really, really want to keep him, so I'm trying to find another way. |
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252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP Timid Naure - Earth Power - Hidden Power [Ice/Fire] - Psychic - Leaf Storm Not with a wall set obv lol |
Hmm, I could do that, but I already have Gengar and Heatran for sweeping. I was planning on using Celebi as a wall. I guess I could get a new wall...
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With Celebi holding a scarf you can revenge kill things which quite frankly is much more effective than trying to wall something in such an offensive metagame as platinum/dp. |
Well, I suppose that makes sense. However in that case, I don't necessarily have to use Celebi. Maybe I could try something with higher Spe and SAtk, or that better covers my weaknesses.
EDIT: I understand I don't really need walls, but I do need something that can take a hit. If I ditch walling Celebi, the only thing that can take any kind of physical hit is Gyarados. Maybe I should at least get another tank, since the metagame is so physical now. |
That Heatran is awful, seriously. Scarfed users can utilize SR effectively, but using both SR and WoW on a Scarfer is a bad idea. If you really want to get SR and Will O Wisp off, change that Heatran to this:
Heatran @ Shuca Berry Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Earth Power - Explosion / Will O Wisp - Fire Blast - Stealth Rock This set was made by Brawley (I believe) on Smogon. Basically, set up SR, live unboosted Earthquakes, and then you can either use Explosion to kill Blissey (almost like Baitran), or Will O Wisp to cripple Tyranitars and Swampert that are very common switch ins. Lava Plume is an option over Fire Blast, thus clearing up space for Explosion, but WoW is more reliable, and not burning TTar on the switch in isn't the most ideal situation to be in. This Heatran also can lead, thus you don't have to use the outdated Gallade lead. You could make it bulkier, to live some STAB Earthquakes, but the Speed is useful in most cases. |
Everyone is turning my defenders into sweepers. -.-
I can run that on Heatran, I suppose. I didn't like the scarf idea much, anyway. |
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Heatran @ Leftovers Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 252 HP/16 SpA/240 SpD Modest nature (+SpA, -Atk) - Will O Wisp - Stealth Rock - Fire Blast / Overheat - Roar / Earth Power Basically, it's Burn Support. Not as effective as a lead, but still has its merits. |
Hm, I rather like that set. I could do that one. Though, I suppose I don't have to use Heatran either.
Well either way, for now, it's better than what I had. I'll edit it into my first post. Thanks! EDIT: I wonder if I could use Magnezone as a bulky special attacker? He might work better then Celebi... |
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I would agree that Scarf Heatran with WoW is pretty lame. SR/Fire Blast/Earth Power/Explosion or HP Ice like I've told you is good enough. If you wish to use Gallade, then use his status moves. Otherwise he's just an inferior Lucario. Also, Expert Belt looks like a waste. You rather be using Lum Berry in case he gets burned or paralysed. Scarf Celebi isn't so great, especially when Scizor can come in so easily and Pursuit you. If you want a durable Celebi, try Reflect. |
Well the whole reason i suggested Scarf Celebi was to revenge DD Tar since some of them still use it and then using Lucario >> Gallade for CB Tar since this team dies to both. Sure there are better revenge killers however celebi was the easiest thing to change without messing with the team too much.
However there is one thing that needs to be established, you need a way to deal with Tyranitar. You could also scarf that gallade and use that as a revenge killer, but yeah as said you need either a counter or check/ revenge killer to it. Use Leftovers >> Enigma Berry on Gyarados. Bulky dos is meant to take hits and with enigma berry its leftovers recovers is stolen which makes it much harder to take hits. |
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I'm not going to Scarf my Celebi. I'll make him less wall-like and pump some more into SAtk, but I think he can pretty much own T-tar with a STAB Grass Knot.
I'll switch Gyarados' item. I just figured the berry would help him with that awful 4x Electric weakness. I'm going to put T-wave on Gallade to cripple faster enemies or force switches since his speed isn't so great. I like the Heatran set I edited my post with, so I think I'll stick with that one for now. |
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Scarf Celebi is for DD tar who outpaces Lucario after a Dragon Dance and to act as your revenge killer to other threats namely things who cant counter currently and serves as an insurance policy. However a better scarfer, as said, may be in order. Also Grass Knot doesnt do that much to tar due to its good base sp.def and the sandstorm boost. |
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I dunno what you're trying to say. Scarftran and Lead Tran are two different Pokemon. |
You slashed WoW with Explosion so it obviously didn't look so important in that set.
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WoW is terribly unreliable with its 75% accuracy on a pokemon with below mediocre speed that gets OHKO'd so easily. Setting SR and shooting out WoW seems like a difficult job for Heatran. You know what, I'll do the calcs for you! 405 Atk Salamence @ LO vs Timid Heatran EQ - 94.74%~111.46% You have a 1/3 chance to survive! OOH! and maybe you'll hit it with 75% WoW! niiice! Your entire argument to why this set is "viable" relies on switching. Of course if my opponent was switching the entire battle I'd eventually win. This is just dumb. |
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I am going to use a Lucario, but I'm not going to replace Gallade. I'm gonna do a mixed sweeper set.
Lucario @ Choice Scarf (???) Lonely/ Naughty/ Mild/ Rash EVs: I dunno yet, depends on the nature ~Extremespeed ~Aura Sphere ~Stone Edge ~Dark Pulse It's tentative, but still. I think my team will now run something like: Gyarados Lucario Gallade Gengar Snorlax Celebi (??? - maybe replace?) I want to get a second opinion on this before I edit my first post again. I know I'm replacing Heatran which may upset the heated debate up there, but like I said, this is just a thought. It might not happen. |
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If you are gonna run mix scarf luke, use [email protected] Scarf 40 Atk / 216 SpA / 252 Speed Naive Nature - Close Combat - Dark Pulse - Stone Edge - Hidden Power Ice Since you replaced heatran, you can shove Stealth Rock on Celebi >> earth power. |
Okay, I'll do that. Thanks.
The only problem is that I don't know if I can get HP Ice for Lucario. Is there anything else I could use? EDIT: I edited these changes into the first post. |
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Your entire argument for a good "lead" is based on it setting up SR and burning incoming switch ins. You can't do both. You can only use 1 move in 1 turn. So when you set up SR, they switch in to Salamence/TTar, and you're pretty much forced to switch again. If you use WoW the first turn, it means you have to stay for another turn if you wanna set up SR as quickly as possible. Again, you run the risk of 1/4 not hitting with WoW and giving them a free switch in. This is why sub is so much better, because it lets you choose your moves accordingly while scouting for "counters". ----- As for Scarf Lucario, why not just run an entirely physical one? CC/Crunch/Stone Edge/Ice Punch is just as good, while giving CC more power. |
I'm not running an all-physical Lucario because I already have enough physical attackers, and I find that a mixed set is more versatile.
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I know it seems like I'm going in circles, but I may actually bring Tangrowth back over Celebi, but this time as a special attacking tank/ wall.
Tangrowth @ Leftovers Bold/ Modest EVs: 228 HP/ 200 Def/ 62 SAtk/ 28 Spe ~Sleep Powder ~Grass Knot ~Leech Seed ~Ancientpower/ Stun Spore Tangrowth may be better for the job then Celebi, I think. He does have higher base stats for Defence and Special Attack, and is equal in HP. Plus Tangrowth has the ability to status, which is always fun. |
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