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jasonresno January 23rd, 2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BlazingLink (Post 4305246)
I agree with you.

True, I am passionate about Space Science or Spaceology..?

Anyways, God let the big bang happen. The big bang, alone, wouldn't make sense. I mean, what caused it?

God.

Agreed.

And there's something I have to point out here real quick. I find it odd that aside from one user, who I won't name, the religious faction of this website seem to be all courteous and accepting in others beliefs. Whereas the nonreligious faction seem hellbent on trying to tell the religious faction they are wrong.

Odd, no?

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AND THANK YOU FOR THE NEGATIVE REP. I'M GLAD YOU ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS.

Ivysaur January 23rd, 2009 12:24 PM

Okay guys, we all love Religion VS Science threads, but not to the extreme of disrespecting people. Angela, your posts were very rude. Jasonresno, your post offended me a lot, as an atheist and scientific follower. Wolflare, please remember than theory is the highest level of security a scientific claim can get.

And please, don't start bashing every other's beliefs, even if they are completely wrong from your viewpoint. God wouldn't like that.

wolf January 23rd, 2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonresno (Post 4305255)
Agreed.

And there's something I have to point out here real quick. I find it odd that aside from one user, who I won't name, the religious faction of this website seem to be all courteous and accepting in others beliefs. Whereas the nonreligious faction seem hellbent on trying to tell the religious faction they are wrong.

Odd, no?

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AND THANK YOU ANGELA FOR THE NEGATIVE REP. I'M GLAD YOU ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS.

Agreed. I fully agree with you! :3 Everyone should be considerate of other opinions!

Edit: I will stop, I just wanted to state that people should be considerate of other opinions.

jasonresno January 23rd, 2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Went (Post 4305261)
Okay guys, we all love Religion VS Science threads, but not to the extreme of disrespecting people. Angela, your posts were very rude. Jasonresno, your post offended me a lot, as an atheist and scientific follower. Wolflare, please remember than theory is the highest level of security a scientific claim can get.

And please, don't start bashing every other's beliefs, even if they are completely wrong from your viewpoint. God wouldn't like that.

My post offended you. So you gave me a negative rep for it? My post WASN'T offensive towards science. You just didn't agree with me.

Angela January 23rd, 2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolflare (Post 4305234)
Yes, though, we have no evidence of the Big Bang. All it is is a theory, nothing to back it up, just a small bit of science.

That's why they made the "Dooms day machine" that was suppose to kill us all lol.

@jasonresno:

So your saying because you have faith then I'm forced to believe that God exists, that just won't cut it for me, well how lucky can those ignorant men get, they have the figment of your imagination on their side, wow.

And it wont make God any more real just because you say he is, at least the Big bang theory is called a theory, if it were up to me I would call Christianity the God theory.

I don't see the Christians building a dooms day machine to investigate this.


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I didn't give you any negative rep O.o

Candy Christina January 23rd, 2009 12:27 PM

I don't know. I would say God I guess, since I'm like sorta-kinda-not really Christian. It seems weird that an explosion can cause things to form since it's usually well, the opposite. It's hard for me to say how we were created because practically none of the theories given about this subject can be proven, but whatever. I don't really question how we got here. I just hope I live a good life.

Banjora Marxvile January 23rd, 2009 12:28 PM

Neither religion or Big Bang can be proved, as nothing would have been in the beginning, (what caused the Big Bang, what caused that, etc...) and, if God exists, who made God? Neither can be proved, so it is down to opinion. I suppose I would say... Well...

jasonresno January 23rd, 2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Angela (Post 4305266)
That's why they made the "Dooms day machine" that was suppose to kill us all lol.

@jasonresno:

So your saying because you have faith then I'm forced to believe that God exists, that just won't cut it for me, well how lucky can those ignorant men get, they have the figment of your imagination on their side, wow.

And it wont make God any more real just because you say he is, at least the Big bang theory is called a theory, if it were up to me I would call Christianity the God theory.

I don't see the Christians building a dooms day machine to investigate this.

I'm withdrawing from this argument. You are not mature and sound enough to have a debate as big as creation with. I never forced you to believe anything only to be open and congenial towards other people.

Edit: Holy Crap, the negative reps come raining down on me. So much for you open minded people, huh?

True Reign January 23rd, 2009 12:34 PM

Big Bang happened. God didn't make the 'Big Bang'. Before the Big Bang, scientists suggest that all there was, was a tiny bubble of nothingness when all of a sudden exploded - a.k.a. the Big Bang.

After the Bang, it created the most common gases in the universe - Plasma, Water, Oxygen, and Carbon Dioxide (I believe?). When you mix these substances together they create a lot of different objects and things. Mix the right amount, you get life. Life then evolves and thats where we humans began.

jasonresno January 23rd, 2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by -[JD]- (Post 4305289)
Big Bang happened. God didn't make the 'Big Bang'. Before the Big Bang, scientists suggest that all there was, was a tiny bubble of nothingness when all of a sudden exploded - a.k.a. the Big Bang.

After the Bang, it created the most common gases in the universe - Plasma, Water, Oxygen, and Carbon Dioxide (I believe?). When you mix these substances together they create a lot of different objects and things. Mix the right amount, you get life. Life then evolves and thats where we humans began.

That's all well and good. But how did the Big Bang happened? You can't just say "out of nowhere a ball of nothingness suddenly exploded and caused life as we know it." Because that has the same flaw as God, to some people.

parallelzero January 23rd, 2009 12:39 PM

I figure there's no way to really prove it, so why bother dwelling on it? Just believe in what you believe, since it can't be proved false nor correct. It's when mindless arguments over the issue come about over something that can't be proved, is there an issue.

processr January 23rd, 2009 12:40 PM

By saying that the Bible is proof enough, are you by inference saying that the Śruti of Hinduism, the Guru Granth Sahib of Sikhism and every other piece of religious scripture that offers a differing view of the creation of the world is not proof enough for their respective God/s? Because if we look at the evidence for the text of the Bible one would probably find that we have just as much proof for that as we do Dianetics.

As for myself, I like what the Buddha says in the Anguttara Nikaya:

"Conjecture about [the origin of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it."

I'm not a Buddhist myself, but I do think that debates about the creation of the universe has little relevance to faith. To try and explain how the universe came into being is attempting the impossible, and an explanation has little sway. To quote Aquinas: "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." Quibbling over religion - insisting that one's own view is correct while those who offer opposing beliefs are incorrect - is ridiculous, and goes against the idea of tolerance to others that is taught by most religions.

jasonresno January 23rd, 2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by euphoricFUTURE (Post 4305301)
I figure there's no way to really prove it, so why bother dwelling on it? Just believe in what you believe, since it can't be proved false nor correct. It's when mindless arguments over the issue come about over something that can't be proved, is there an issue.

I agree. But I think posting immature remarks and giving negative reputations proves that people can't handle being that open-minded.

Angela January 23rd, 2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by -[JD]- (Post 4305289)
Big Bang happened. God didn't make the 'Big Bang'. Before the Big Bang, scientists suggest that all there was, was a tiny bubble of nothingness when all of a sudden exploded - a.k.a. the Big Bang.

After the Bang, it created the most common gases in the universe - Plasma, Water, Oxygen, and Carbon Dioxide (I believe?). When you mix these substances together they create a lot of different objects and things. Mix the right amount, you get life. Life then evolves and thats where we humans began.

Magnifico!

My thought written on right there, you know we humans are powered by various chemicals from the chemical table, I'm majoring in nature science, so I really can't debate on this unless using Icelandic (Don't know the English words),

Like we're powered by electricity which is powered by chemicals that were made in the big bang.

jasonresno January 23rd, 2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Angela (Post 4305306)
Magnifico!

My thought written on right there, you know we humans are powered by various chemicals from the chemical table, I'm majoring in nature science, so I really can't debate on this unless using Icelandic (Don't know the English words),

Like we're powered by electricity which is powered by chemicals that were made in the big bang.

Not to beat a dead horse. But what initiated the Big Bang? What caused something out of nothing?

edit: You are majoring in something when you're 16 years old?

Artemis January 23rd, 2009 12:43 PM

for me I thougt we were made religiously...though I do not have any doubt that it might have also been the big bang theory...

I guess it is one of those things that will never be answered...

Angela January 23rd, 2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonresno (Post 4305310)
Not to beat a dead horse. But what initiated the Big Bang? What caused something out of nothing?

edit: You are majoring in something when you're 16 years old?

Wait a few months, then you'll get your answer:D,

I'm referring to the "Dooms day machine".

jasonresno January 23rd, 2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Angela (Post 4305314)
Wait a few months, then you'll get your answer:D,

I'm referring to the "Dooms day machine".

Are you talking about the Hadron collider?

parallelzero January 23rd, 2009 7:52 PM

Angela, jasonresno. Word of advice. Stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop. Before it ends up closed like the other thread.

Please? <3

Soul Eater January 23rd, 2009 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by euphoricFUTURE (Post 4306046)
Angela, jasonresno. Word of advice. Stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop. Before it ends up closed like the other thread.

Please? <3

Don't be breaking your own rules now, David. :<

All I can say is that it's more logical that we evolved from some type of animal. Some say we evolved from fish and others believe we evolved from some sort of ape man.

It really doesnt make sense we were created by Adam and Even because that would mean we are our own brothers and sisters. D:

Audy: Yeah, same for me. I also consider myself agnostic because I've never understand the whole religious thing of creation either. D:

And your right we really don't have enough proof to say all that happened. Our theories are controversial because its adam and eve vs. Scientific method. D:

kingofjokers January 23rd, 2009 8:10 PM

ok ima lay down what i learned at school i think i was told this a year ago correct me if im wrong 1st of all god is your really into your relegion now lets talk science the big bang thing i know nothing about but all i know is earth was there then lightning hit and it started the simplest organism then it adapted to the sea then adapted into land then we slowly move on from there i think ...

doesn't matter January 23rd, 2009 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofjokers (Post 4306090)
ok ima lay down what i learned at school i think i was told this a year ago correct me if im wrong 1st of all god is your really into your relegion now lets talk science the big bang thing i know nothing about but all i know is earth was there then lightning hit and it started the simplest organism then it adapted to the sea then adapted into land then we slowly move on from there i think ...

That's not even a proper sentence. Do you even go to school?

Soul Eater January 23rd, 2009 8:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ausaudriel (Post 4306075)
I'm agnostic. I won't discount the possibility of a "creator", but I won't embrace it either. There's not enough evidence to prove that a "God" exists, in my eyes, so yeah.

My mother tried bringing me up as a Christian but she always said I thought too "logically", and I guess I kinda stemmed away from it. She insisted that it's impossible to prove God exists because it's "just a matter of faith" and it's like.. uhh..

But yeah, for a smart woman (which I consider my mom to be very smart) I'm surprised by her religion. At the same time, though, I'm glad she has it because it gives her something to believe in, even if I don't believe the same thing. The thought of her having nothing to have faith in like that kinda depresses me, so.. idk.

Well, my mother was the same way because my grandmother had always tried to bug her about trying to get us to go to church every sunday. D: Me and my mom are catholics. (I was baptized as a catholic but consider myself agnostic.) And yet I don't think even my mom understands religion that much.

My family did attend church with my grandmother but not every day. I know my best friend's mother wants us to go with her family and I really hate getting into it because I'll always stay agnostic because, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I hate religion because I don't, I just don't understand and I don't think I ever will.

My best friend's family is christian though but feh...it won't stop me from having him as my best friend. Religion should never make friendship fail.

But yeah, I never understood religion and I never will. D:

Mitchman January 24th, 2009 4:05 AM

I am cristian and all but i believe the whole god created human thing is crap. I mean we havw 2 major proofs that it did not happen that way
1. If adam and eve were THE only people put on earth everyone today would have mental instability and hell the world wouldnt have gone past 500 AD if that was the case
2. If humans where created right then and there like we are today what the hell is the proof of humans evolving from a more primitive skeletal structure a bunch of crap? I am sorry but when it comes to what happned first or happned at all it is without a doubt the big bang. Science proved that the whole earth thing came to be past 5000 years b.c history even proves so. Unless of course you want to believe the garden of eden is masopotamia. Which there i believe is crap as well.

Melody January 24th, 2009 5:14 AM

Personally, I'm a creationist. I believe god made the universe, the earth and everything else. When people try to shove the 'Big Bang' theory in my face I say, "Well, maybe god caused the Big Bang when he said 'There shall be a universe' while he was creating the heavens and the earth"
Seriously, we cant claim to know that this planet we call home took millions of years to appear. I for one think that god forged our planet in 7 days just like the bible says.

Before any of you get offended, think about the big bang. it supposedly happened suddenly, so it's possible that He is the one who caused it. (Just food for thought) I know some of you more bible-happy folks will probably disagree with me and say the universe *just* appeared on his command, with no flashy entrance or explosion. At least I dont buy the whole 'millions of years to form the earth' ideal.

Evolution is also something I dont exactly buy. I do believe that it's possible for an organism to change over time. I dont believe we all came from single celled amoebas or a monkey or any other organism though. I'm sure that He has created every living thing, including humans as the bible says. Evolution is real, we just weren't created by Evolution. God made man, and all the animals which inhabit this planet. And of course, nature has taken it's natural course over the past few millennium. So naturally, the animals of today are the offspring of the animals GOD created. We are the offspring of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were created by God. And of course you should know the rest of the story.

Monkeys may be genetically alike to man, but that doesn't mean we evolved from them. God put them here for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Mitchman Is (Post 4306876)
I am cristian and all but i believe the whole god created human thing is crap. I mean we havw 2 major proofs that it did not happen that way
1. If adam and eve were THE only people put on earth everyone today would have mental instability and hell the world wouldnt have gone past 500 AD if that was the case
2. If humans where created right then and there like we are today what the hell is the proof of humans evolving from a more primitive skeletal structure a bunch of crap? I am sorry but when it comes to what happned first or happned at all it is without a doubt the big bang. Science proved that the whole earth thing came to be past 5000 years b.c history even proves so. Unless of course you want to believe the garden of eden is masopotamia. Which there i believe is crap as well.

When I think of the thousands upon thousands of genetic disorders which we know that exist, I dont believe that we can say "it's impossible that we came from Adam and Eve." To say such a thing is being blind to the truth.


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