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Ricky429 February 17th, 2009 8:25 PM

Giratina
 
Ok seeing as there is a God of pokemon shouldn't there be a Devil pokemon too? I know there is alot of discussion about this but it just seems rational. I mean he is in a different dimension (Underworld) where he watches over dead pokes.

Haza February 17th, 2009 8:30 PM

When did he watch over dead pokes? I would compare Darkrai to Arceus more.

Ricky429 February 17th, 2009 8:35 PM

I picture Darkrai to be an evil Sandman of the Pokemon World.

EricTheEevee February 17th, 2009 8:36 PM

When Arceus is referred to a god pokemon, I don't think they mean the pokemon version of our God. It would be more comparable to the Greek and Roman gods, and they didn't have a devil. Maybe a demon pokemon? Darkrai comes to mind.

Haza February 17th, 2009 8:37 PM

I guess so. Even though Darkrai was good in the film it still was bad in the episode against cresselia so I think Darkrai is the devil and Arceus the angel. D = Devil/Darkrai + A = Angel/Arceus

Lila February 17th, 2009 9:00 PM

Arceus seems to be the creator of everything, so I don't think it's really appropriate to call it an angel.

Darkrai isn't evil, either, but the way the anime portrays him it sometimes seem that way, I suppose. Nightmares are sort of a natural thing, anyway, they have to happen - so perhaps it's not something he's doing on purpose? I don't know, maybe I'm just thinking pokemon is more deep than it really is. XD It's just that there are unpleasant things that sort of have to happen everywhere, such as death.

Anyways, about Giratina. I have no idea what that thing is; it looks really stupid, but I haven't played Platinum yet so I'm not even sure what the story is around it. I sort of doubt it's an evil pokemon, though, it's very rare that a legendary pokemon is truly evil. >_> Or any pokemon for that matter.

zacnoa345 February 18th, 2009 4:27 AM

arceaus is like the perfect god but he looks kinda weird. I still think there should be one like the exact opposite of darkrai but not as powerful :p,

Skaterzpenguin February 18th, 2009 4:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricTheEevee (Post 4361521)
When Arceus is referred to a god pokemon, I don't think they mean the pokemon version of our God. It would be more comparable to the Greek and Roman gods, and they didn't have a devil. Maybe a demon pokemon? Darkrai comes to mind.

Yeah I agree, like some kind of demon creature or a Spirit. Darkrai does seem to be a demon pokemon to me now since this thread ponts that out to me. lol

Chaostorm February 18th, 2009 5:06 AM

Darkrai isnt Evil in Ranger 2 and in Movie 10, Although it was Evil in Mystery Dungeon 2

~ Yukishii February 18th, 2009 5:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ⓗⓐⓩⓐ(Red Poison Like a Virus) (Post 4361525)
Even though Darkrai was good in the film it still was bad in the episode against cresselia so I think Darkrai is the devil and Arceus the angel. D = Devil/Darkrai + A = Angel/Arceus

Of course Darkrai is bad to Cresselia.
She is the bringer of good dreams, he is the bringer of bad dreams.
It only makes sense for the two to fight it out with one another.
Arceus is just the Alpha of Pokemon..
With Giratina it doesn't seem like it's the 'devil'. Though it can attack in any way at all from the Reverse World it only did so to Dialga in Movie 11.
It did many good deeds in that movie, how could it be assumed to be the devil at all?
The only reason it attacked Dialga is because the quarrel between it and Palkia caused pollution in Giratina's world. It didn't do it for the hell of it.
Do you see my point?
The devil is supposidly full of malicious intent, which neither Darkrai nor Giratina have.
I mean, Spiritomb was far more evil then those two and no one has mentioned it being the devil..
Then Darkrai is just a creator of bad dreams, and doesn't come close to the power Giratina has over the real world from it's dimension..
So that doesn't make sense either.

Edit ; I forgot. Giratina attacked Zero too, but that was because he also caused problems for it.

ckret2 February 19th, 2009 10:20 PM

I've always thought that Darkrai is polar opposite to Cresselia, not to Arceus.

There will probably never be a "devil" Pokémon. I think in Gen II, wasn't there someone who said that no Pokémon are born evil, they are turned bad by evil trainers? If a Pokémon is strong enough that it potentially COULD achieve devil status, then it's strong enough to not have to obey a trainer it doesn't want to obey, and it probably wouldn't want to obey an evil trainer, heh.

groudonlover February 20th, 2009 9:24 AM

I don't know... Spiritomb is composed of 1,000 Evil souls, so it would be a lot more evil than Giratina, but it isn't a legendary :-/

Starrcasm February 20th, 2009 10:05 AM

The amount of evilness doesn't show if a pokemon is the devil. From that logic, Gengar or Banette could be the devil.

In the pokemon world, it seems as though Arceus could be considered god, BUT it is known as the Alpha pokemon. Not the Alpha+Omega. Which leaves the Omega.

Giratina is classified as a ruler of the underworld (reverse world, whatever), but not the devil. Perhaps an equivilent to Hades from Greek Mythology. A devilish figure, but not the devil.

Cyntric February 20th, 2009 10:18 AM

in god they mean like the supreme for arceus but i don't really believe any pokemon is a god except charizard.

Mystery Soul February 20th, 2009 10:20 AM

Giratina controls the Reverse World whcih supports the real world. He isn't the devil to Arceus's God. Darkrai and Cresselia are polar opposites so ofcourse they fight. As far as a devil Pokemon, my fangame has one, but I don't think Nintendo will ever make one since that would resspass on religious soil.

Artemis February 20th, 2009 10:54 AM

um...since when did giratine watch over dead pokemon?? and just because it is of another world doesn't mean it is EVIL...in the 11th movie he was very nice toward the end...

Mystery Soul February 20th, 2009 10:58 AM

Exactly. Giratina's really niceat the end, except towards Dialga whom it goes after to revact revenge xD

Starrcasm February 20th, 2009 11:01 AM

True, I don't think that there are any pokemon which are evil by nature, even Darkrai was nice in the 10th movie.

Mystery Soul February 20th, 2009 11:11 AM

*nods* The only evil Pokemon I can think of is Spiritomb since it's made up of like 1000 damned souls.

Starrcasm February 20th, 2009 11:14 AM

Even Spritomb can't be all evil.

and it's 108 souls, not 1000, 108 corresponds to the Japanese ritual of hitting a bell 108 times on the new year to banish evil spirits.

Mystery Soul February 20th, 2009 11:17 AM

Oh. Well, still. I guess Pokemon weren't meant to be evil at all :P

Ricky429 February 20th, 2009 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starrmyt (Post 4369404)
The amount of evilness doesn't show if a pokemon is the devil. From that logic, Gengar or Banette could be the devil.

In the pokemon world, it seems as though Arceus could be considered god, BUT it is known as the Alpha pokemon. Not the Alpha+Omega. Which leaves the Omega.

Giratina is classified as a ruler of the underworld (reverse world, whatever), but not the devil. Perhaps an equivilent to Hades from Greek Mythology. A devilish figure, but not the devil.


Now that seems reasonable.

LethalTexture February 20th, 2009 11:42 AM

If there is ever a Gen V, it seems likely that an Omega Pokémon will be created. I'm not saying that it will, but there is a good chance, but then that is if Nintendo want to face the wrath of religious people who may get offended.

Honest February 20th, 2009 12:10 PM

Well, you're theory makes sense in some ways, and not in others. It does seem as he can be referred to as the "Devil" of PKMN, as he does reside in what is similar to "Hell", the Reverse World (I call it the Distortion World). And he has the appearance of a Devil somewhat But, Giritina lacks the power of looking over the evil dead. Your theory affects me, but I would refer to Giritina as the Grim Reaper or somewhat like that, not the devil. :\ But it is a good theory! :D

lvl99rayquaza February 21st, 2009 5:29 AM

Giratina is not evil. it is just the guardian of the reverse world. we already have a spirit world reaper called dusknoir and giratina does not live in the spirit world.


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