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Legendarian Mistress February 18th, 2009 6:36 PM

Evolution in fan-fics
 
How should Pokémon evolution in fan fictions be dealt with? I ask mainly because I’d like to get the places, where the Pokémon in my fic evolve, correct. And just so everyone’s aware, I have read the thread titled “Evolution – The fan fiction way”, but a few things didn’t make sense.

Like where Jax Malcolm, now known as Xanthine, stated quote “Likewise, there are some stories that follow the games’ line exactly, so they (the starter) may evolve after the second Gym”.

My concern here is as follows: Do physical conditions/emotions matter if they are preventing the Pokémon from evolving straight away? The Pokémon I’m referring to currently evolves before Vermillion City; whereas, by rights, he should have evolved in Pewter City… being a creature that evolves at level 16, after all. Is it right for stress, of all things, to prevent his evolution?

Since my fic is based on a post D/P/Pt Kanto, would it be unorthodox for an Eevee to evolve into a Leafeon after his trainer was given a piece of the Moss Rock and said piece was pointed at his body? Because, theoretically, something could very well have happened to the Moss Rock in Sinnoh and a fragment could have landed in Kanto?

And now, I’ll quote a few of things from the original thread:

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1) Not every trainer you see on your journey has to battle you.
This is a common one. The main character sees another trainer, and automatically is asked/asks for a battle. This doesn’t have to happen constantly… Just make that trainer not appear at all, or have him/her do something else pertaining to your plot.
Something else? Like what?

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5) Your story can still be complete without a real starter Pokémon.
By real starter Pokémon, I mean a Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle and the like. Be original! Why can’t a Pidgey, Caterpie, Taillow or anything else simple be a starter, too? A starter is basically just a trainer’s first Pokémon; I don’t see any sign that says “YOUR TRAINER MUST HAVE A BULBASAUR, CHARMANDER OR SQUIRTLE TO BEGIN THEIR JOURNEY.” Just recently, I even saw an author on PE2K give their trainer a Voltorb, and that story is going great.
Do fake starters count?

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7) Not every city has to be exactly like the one in the games.
If you look at Oldale Town on a walkthrough guide, all you see is roughly five houses and a sign smack dab in the middle. How freakin’ interesting. You are allowed to twist things around. If you want a Daycare Centre in Azalea Town and have the one in Goldenrod removed, go right ahead. Just make sure it makes sense; a casino wouldn’t go very well in such a calm and collected place like Canalave City, would it?
I see. So if I wanted the Daycare Centre from Four Island in Vermillion, or any other place in Kanto, that still wouldn’t matter?

Buoysel February 18th, 2009 6:52 PM

Your story is yours, make it that way.

Do what ever you want, be try and keep it realistic; no exploding charizards.

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Since my fic is based on a post D/P/Pt Kanto, would it be unorthodox for an Eevee to evolve into a Leafeon after his trainer was given a piece of the Moss Rock and said piece was pointed at his body?
pointed, no; in contact with, yes.

From what I understand, the Eevee must be in contact with the stone. (but you can decide since it's your story.)

As for how said trainer gets it, again its your story, but try and explain how trainer gets a hold of it, or how said chunk broke off.

(maybe someone discovers another moss rock?)

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My concern here is as follows: Do physical conditions/emotions matter if they are preventing the Pokémon from evolving straight away? The Pokémon I’m referring to currently evolves before Vermillion City; whereas, by rights, he should have evolved in Pewter City… being a creature that evolves at level 16, after all. Is it right for stress, of all things, to prevent his evolution?
Some Pokemon only evolve when they are happy, so I don't see why one could hold off evolving, besides some of Ash's Pokemon never evolved.

JX Valentine February 18th, 2009 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigrerra (Post 4364462)
Like where Jax Malcolm, now known as Xanthine, stated quote “Likewise, there are some stories that follow the games’ line exactly, so they (the starter) may evolve after the second Gym”.

Refresh my memory. Context here?

Anyway, basically, it depends on the fic you're going for, which was probably what I was trying to say. Fics that follow such a line are basically retellings of the author's own gameplay. Hence, starters end up evolving around the second gym (either right after the first, during the second gym battle, or right after the second gym itself) because the starters in the game tend to do that unless you've boxed them, aren't using them as much as other Pokémon you've caught, or are mashing the B button like crazy.

This is, of course, only one possibility. There are plenty of others. For example, certain stories go with more of a "natural" approach by not using milestones like gyms to gauge when a starter or other Pokémon evolves. Sometimes, evolution happens at a heightened moment of suspense (because, like character death, it's a heavily dramatic moment in a fanfiction). Others see evolution as a metaphor for growth, so the Pokémon may evolve as it gains more experience (and age). Point is, you don't want your starter to evolve quickly. Within the first several chapters, yes, you should avoid that kind of thing unless you're deliberately having the character rush through evolutionary stages because getting the character's Charmander to evolve into a Charmeleon in chapter one just seems like you're rushing the fic itself -- like you're not giving the reader enough time to digest things, you're not adding enough detail, you're blowing past possible conflicts that could arise from a basic-level starter for the sake of getting to Point B... whatever.

With forced evolutions (like with stones), it's a different story. First off, you've got more of a Chekhov's gun scenario because you're most likely showing the audience the evolution item before it's actually used. Hence, you're probably going to give the reader an idea of how far down the road they can expect an evolution, whereas level-based evolutions tend to be more random (and therefore a slippery thing to work out).

That leads to the second point, which is the fact that, technically, you can get away with at least implying evolution early on, unlike level-based evolutions, where you just have to wait. The reason why is because if a Pokémon evolves via an item, the trainer can control when that Pokémon evolves. So, you could possibly pull an anime!Surge and have a Pokémon evolve as soon as the character gets it. It all depends on how realistic the character's means of getting the evolution item is.

However, there's also the downside that is the fact that Pokémon you evolve quickly through this method are often implied to be weaker than Pokémon that the character would evolve later on. Take Lt. Surge's Raichu, for example. In the anime canon, it evolved from a Pikachu as soon as Surge caught it. For that reason, it never learned the speed attacks it can only learn as a Pikachu, so it ended up being slower than Ash's Pikachu. That gave it a huge disadvantage once Ash (and Brock) figured that out.

So, basically, if you're going to evolve, either way, you have to be very conscious of timing. Level-based evolutions shouldn't really evolve too quickly because they logically wouldn't have the experience needed to do so, and forced evolutions should have disadvantages attached to evolving early.

As for when to do it, that depends on your story. As I've said before, evolutions tend to be dramatic. Forced ones tend to happen either by accident, after the trainer's given it careful thought, or if the Pokémon needs to reach its higher evolutionary form for some reason (particularly ones that it can't execute as it is). Level evolutions in canon tend to happen during moments of suspense, but they can also happen to indicate growth or experience.

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My concern here is as follows: Do physical conditions/emotions matter if they are preventing the Pokémon from evolving straight away?
Yes. This happens canonically at least once. Ash's Bulbasaur, for example, outright refused evolution, despite being at the correct level. Basically, if the Pokémon is unwilling to evolve, then it has the option to resist.

Stress, meanwhile, could possibly be a good reason for the inability to evolve as well. I mean, to tell you the truth, stress tends to eff up a system like whoa. It's perfectly possible that too much stress on a creature could prevent the Pokémon from evolving in the same way stress prevents people from sleeping. *shrug*

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Since my fic is based on a post D/P/Pt Kanto, would it be unorthodox for an Eevee to evolve into a Leafeon after his trainer was given a piece of the Moss Rock and said piece was pointed at his body?
Depends on the canon. In anime canon, the Eevee needs to touch the rock in order to evolve. In game canon, so long as the rock is nearby when the Eevee levels up (in fic terms, possibly wins a battle), it's possible to simply have it evolve just by being close to it.

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Because, theoretically, something could very well have happened to the Moss Rock in Sinnoh and a fragment could have landed in Kanto?
Yeah, you'll want to refine how this happened before actually trying to get a Leafeon in your fic.

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Something else? Like what?
Whatever you can think of that still makes sense. The trainer could decide to travel with your character (temporarily or permanently), engage in friendly conversation, scar your character for life by stripping... whatever.

Basically speaking, it seems that this quote was meant to say that not every trainer in the world exists to battle yours and that there are trainers who might not want to battle your main character. Therefore, don't have every character that appears in the games pop up in your fic and have them battle your trainer, and don't have every other trainer you insert into your fic exist for the sole purpose of having a battle and never being heard from again. Trainers are characters too. Don't bring them in for only a one-dimensional purpose, if that makes sense.

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Do fake starters count?
In a sense, yes, because they follow essentially the same formula seen in the games. Grass/Fire/Water trio dispensed by Professor Yet Another Tree. Of course, on the flipside, with unconventional starters, you risk pulling the Ash Ketchum Formula, in which the latecomer gets a random starter that Professor Yet Another Tree had on the side because she whined enough.

On the other hand, no, because fake starters are Pokémon we're unfamiliar with. We've seen plenty of Bulbasaur/Charmander/Squirtle/et cetera in the games, so in a sense, it'll be refreshing and new to us anyway. (So long as you can make the presence of the fake starters believable, of course. New regions are usually expected to have fake starters. Canon regions need a stated explanation for why they're there, and even then, it had better be good.)

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I see. So if I wanted the Daycare Centre from Four Island in Vermillion, or any other place in Kanto, that still wouldn’t matter?
That's not what this quote means. What it means is don't take the game image-for-image. Just because there's only five buildings in a town (three of which are the Pokémon Center, Mart, and Gym) doesn't mean that there has to be only five buildings in the town you're writing about. Logically, a town would have a lot more than that, so it's up to you as the writer to fill said town with a reasonable population.

However, on the other hand, don't go overboard and do something that contradicts what the town is about. Verdanturf shouldn't be overpopulated, for example. For another, Canalave shouldn't have a casino.

Canon buildings should still be there either way so long as they actually pertain to your plot somehow.

The Gaurdian February 19th, 2009 9:46 AM

quick logical explanation, it was holding(or it was stuck in its fur) an ever stone. then it droped it.

JX Valentine February 19th, 2009 9:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Gaurdian (Post 4366228)
quick logical explanation, it was holding(or it was stuck in its fur) an ever stone. then it droped it.

Problem is, you also don't want to make it sound like you pulled that out of nowhere for the sake of explaining why the Pokémon couldn't evolve. It's possible that you could have the Everstone be present, but you'll want to make its presence known or drop more hints than just the fact that the holder couldn't evolve so the reader can figure things out. If you don't, it comes off feeling like an attempt to cover a plot hole.

Incinermyn February 19th, 2009 10:45 AM

In my mind, make an evolution like its normal. Don't go overdramatizing it like the games and anime do. It's just bad technique as far as I'm concerned, especially since their growth patterns are the only realistic thing Pokemon have as far as their unrealistic designs and such go. Not to be harsh, but its true...

Bay February 19th, 2009 11:06 AM

Evolution is one of those things you have to think through before you decide on doing it. Yes, you don't want to rush evolution and also have to know how the Pokemon will evolve (level, trade, stones, etc.). However, there are a couple other things to consider.

First thing is actually the Pokemon itself. Perhaps that Pokemon want to evolve very fast so that he/she can get stronger and is determined to do that. Also like Xathine said, maybe the Pokemon doesn't want to evolve at all. I had one fic idea where a Wartotle doesn't want to evolve a Blastoise for own personal reasons.

Another thing is how long it would take for the Pokemon to evolve. It would take a Ponyta longer to evolve a Rapidash than a Combusken to a Blaziken, for instance. If you have a Ponyta and a Torchic as starters, both battled and won the battles equally (and battled against Pokemon up to their strength), and have the Ponyta evolve first, then something's wrong.

Last thing is the why. Maybe it's the Pokemon or the main character? Part of the plot? You don't want to just have the evolution come cause you want to feature Charizard right away (if you do that, you could have just have the main character as an experienced trainer at the beginning of the story).

I hope everyone here answered your questions and also hope you'll use the advice well.

Incinermyn February 19th, 2009 11:26 AM

Good points, Bay, but if I might elaborate a little on the last case. With an experienced trainer right from the get-go, there also comes the dilemma as to whether or not an evolution is at all necessary. For instance, in Dark Nostalgia, Jay Christie (the former Ronac League champion) wants his Lupudle ( http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/HuntsmanSkunk/Lupudle2.jpg ) to evolve into Metalupus ( http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/HuntsmanSkunk/Metalupus.jpg ). Now, from the beginning, the intermediate evo is actually a lot better to have than the ultimate one because its faster and capable of cruel attacks that the evo itself is very vulnerable to (since Lupudle can kickbox like a kangaroo, making it part fighting-type, while Metalupus can take attacks but takes devasting hits from its pre-evos moves if stuck being normal-and-steel-type). So, it leaves one to wonder if its at all worth having it happen just to happen or if the pros outweight the cons in the fic. I mean, giving the purpose for an evolution more logic makes it all the more convincing and worthwhile, right?

Negrek February 19th, 2009 1:30 PM

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In my mind, make an evolution like its normal. Don't go overdramatizing it like the games and anime do. It's just bad technique as far as I'm concerned, especially since their growth patterns are the only realistic thing Pokemon have as far as their unrealistic designs and such go. Not to be harsh, but its true...
Hyuh? How is a little orange fish morphing into an over-twenty-foot-long blue dragon-serpent in a matter of seconds "realistic?" And in what way is that sort of transformation not dramatic? How can treating it as a dramatic event be "bad technique?"

ShinjisLover February 19th, 2009 1:55 PM

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My concern here is as follows: Do physical conditions/emotions matter if they are preventing the Pokémon from evolving straight away? The Pokémon I’m referring to currently evolves before Vermillion City; whereas, by rights, he should have evolved in Pewter City… being a creature that evolves at level 16, after all. Is it right for stress, of all things, to prevent his evolution?
Yes, I believe that a Pokémon's stress levels and emotions and the trainer's stress levels and emotions should be taken into consideration. If a Pokémon is stressed or does not wish to evolve, I'd assume that said Pokémon will not evolve. Likewise, if the trainer is stressed or does not wish for the Pokémon to evolve, the Pokémon may sense this and refuse to evolve because of it. Levels, in fanfiction, probably shouldn't be the worry on your mind.

Also, when a Pokémon is in a tight situation and can evolve, I'd say that they may evolve right then and there. As you've seen in the anime (which isn't the exact game canon), some Pokémon evolve into their next form simply due to being in a pinch.

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Since my fic is based on a post D/P/Pt Kanto, would it be unorthodox for an Eevee to evolve into a Leafeon after his trainer was given a piece of the Moss Rock and said piece was pointed at his body? Because, theoretically, something could very well have happened to the Moss Rock in Sinnoh and a fragment could have landed in Kanto?
Now, this question was a little difficult as there was a lot going on, so I'm going to try and break it down to make it easier to understand for both you and me.

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Since my fic is based on a post D/P/Pt Kanto, would it be unorthodox for an Eevee to evolve into a Leafeon after his trainer was given a piece of the Moss Rock and said piece was pointed at his body?
This isn't necessarily true, actually. Since Shinou (Sinnoh) is the current canon, I'd assume that this would work, even in Kanto. However, getting a 'piece of the Moss Rock' seems a little silly, so I'd advise against such an action in your fic.

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Because, theoretically, something could very well have happened to the Moss Rock in Sinnoh and a fragment could have landed in Kanto?
(This isn't a question, hun, it's a statement. ^_~)
Now, this, is an odd statement. What would happen to the Moss Rock? Did a Pokémon get to it? Even if it is Pokémon, it would have to make a little bit of sense. Even if a Kanto trainer were to obtain Moss Rock, I highly doubt 'something happened' to the Moss Rock that would make it useless. But I digress.

And now, I’ll quote a few of things from the original thread:

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1) Not every trainer you see on your journey has to battle you.
This is a common one. The main character sees another trainer, and automatically is asked/asks for a battle. This doesn’t have to happen constantly… Just make that trainer not appear at all, or have him/her do something else pertaining to your plot.
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Something else? Like what?

This should be up to the imagination. Perhaps the trainer has a Pokémon egg that she or he cannot take care of. Or maybe the trainer has a problem she or he needs help solving. Of course, this is all very 'filler-like', but it can work in a fanfiction as long as it helps your character to grow in some way.


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5) Your story can still be complete without a real starter Pokémon.
By real starter Pokémon, I mean a Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle and the like. Be original! Why can’t a Pidgey, Caterpie, Taillow or anything else simple be a starter, too? A starter is basically just a trainer’s first Pokémon; I don’t see any sign that says “YOUR TRAINER MUST HAVE A BULBASAUR, CHARMANDER OR SQUIRTLE TO BEGIN THEIR JOURNEY.” Just recently, I even saw an author on PE2K give their trainer a Voltorb, and that story is going great.
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Do fake starters count?

If that's what your fanfic is about, then yes. Fake starters count. Of course, if you're going Fakemon, I'd advise to have every Pokémon a fake one, rather than just the starters. You can also choose a starter that isn't exactly run-of-the-mill.

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7) Not every city has to be exactly like the one in the games.
If you look at Oldale Town on a walkthrough guide, all you see is roughly five houses and a sign smack dab in the middle. How freakin’ interesting. You are allowed to twist things around. If you want a Daycare Centre in Azalea Town and have the one in Goldenrod removed, go right ahead. Just make sure it makes sense; a casino wouldn’t go very well in such a calm and collected place like Canalave City, would it?
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I see. So if I wanted the Daycare Centre from Four Island in Vermillion, or any other place in Kanto, that still wouldn’t matter?

Don't get too crazy with it now. Placing it in Vermillion wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. However, putting it on Cinnabar? That'd be weird (not to imply that you said that, of course). What the person means by this is that you can have even more buildings in a certain area as long as Foretree City doesn't obtain some random scyscrapers or as long as Saffron City isn't a bright, happy place with many people roaming around and no ghost problems at all. But, again, I digress.

Hope this helped a little. If you're still unsure about certain aspects of evolution, I'm always here (literally. . O.o). However, it'd be best if you e-mailed me, PMed me, or posted a Visitor Message, as I normally don't go back to a thread once I've replied on it. Have fun writing your fanfic! ^_~

Incinermyn February 19th, 2009 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Negrek (Post 4366858)
Hyuh? How is a little orange fish morphing into an over-twenty-foot-long blue dragon-serpent in a matter of seconds "realistic?" And in what way is that sort of transformation not dramatic? How can treating it as a dramatic event be "bad technique?"

Let's see... When its natural for a fantasy creature to change form, in some sense, like animals in real life mature, there's no point in making it out like its something overly special and it sounds ridiculous to do so. That's what I was trying to get at, Negrek. So, don't contradict me!

Negrek February 19th, 2009 2:23 PM

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When its natural for a fantasy creature to change form, in some sense, like animals in real life mature, there's no point in making it out like its something overly special and it sounds ridiculous to do so.
Yes, animals mature in real life. However, even the ones that go through large changes by metamorphosis don't do so in a matter of seconds or go through alterations as massive as pokémon do. The comparison between real animals and pokémon in terms of evolution is remote at best. I also don't see how it's somehow "more natural" for a fantasy creature to do this. How is it relevant that pokémon are fantasy creatures, especially if you're then going to start comparing them to actual animals and saying "it's just like what real things do"?

There is nothing ridiculous about making pokémon evolution out as bizarre and spectacular.

Buoysel February 19th, 2009 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Negrek (Post 4367069)
Yes, animals mature in real life. However, even the ones that go through large changes by metamorphosis don't do so in a matter of seconds or go through alterations as massive as pokémon do. The comparison between real animals and pokémon in terms of evolution is remote at best. I also don't see how it's somehow "more natural" for a fantasy creature to do this. How is it relevant that pokémon are fantasy creatures, especially if you're then going to start comparing them to actual animals and saying "it's just like what real things do"?

There is nothing ridiculous about making pokémon evolution out as bizarre and spectacular.

Going on the maturing theme, couldn't you say that the evolution happens over time, say like if an evolution is different colored fur, then the Pokemon could shed its fur, and a new coat grows in, say as it goes through a growth spurt, growing taller, limbs growing longer, etc.

What do you think?

Bay February 19th, 2009 3:25 PM

Skunter, I see your point. Pretty much the thing is though there are probably times the Pokemon is actually has enough experience to evolve, but hasn't yet for whatever reason. Also the trainer would have more Pokemon with them that is fine or wants to evolve. But yeah, I too agree there's also consideration between the pros and cons (like how in the games if you want to delay your Pokemon's evolution so that they can learn some attacks sooner).

And censored, the thing is in the Pokemon world the creatures go through a dramatic change in a matter of seconds, or at least from what I can tell from anime and game canon.

As for the evolution being dramatic or not, to me it would depend on the tone of the scene, the characters (the trainer and Pokemon), and what you're trying to achieve. If you're going for a suspense scene and the Pokemon is on the blink of defeat but then evolves, then of course you're going to make it dramatic. Yes, I know that's a bad and cliche example. XD; If, say, you have one island where evolution is some sort of ritual, it would depend on the character(s)--they might either be excited about it or didn't care and know it's part of life.

Buoysel February 19th, 2009 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay (Post 4367320)
And censored, the thing is in the Pokemon world the creatures go through a dramatic change in a matter of seconds, or at least from what I can tell from anime and game canon.

But who likes to stay close to the anime anyway?

And it could be an alternative to having a sudden 2 second growth spurt, where does the extra mass come from anyway?

Negrek February 19th, 2009 4:06 PM

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Going on the maturing theme, couldn't you say that the evolution happens over time, say like if an evolution is different colored fur, then the Pokemon could shed its fur, and a new coat grows in, say as it goes through a growth spurt, growing taller, limbs growing longer, etc.
You could do it that way, and often writers indicate that a pokémon is ready for evolution with some physical or behavioral signs. In the anime, I think there's something like that, too--isn't there some point where Nurse Joy inspects bulbasaur or something and determines that he's ready to evolve? However, there are some problems in going all the way, where there is no sudden burst of growth to reach the next evolutionary stage. In some cases, it's just going to be major awkward. For example, what about shelgon evolving into salamence (or bagon to shelgon, for that matter)? Or magikarp to gyarados? Is your trainer going to get stuck with this three-foot-long orange worm kinda thing that just flops around a lot for a while?

Additionally, there's the problem that by going this route you actually highlight what's so ludicrous about the process in the first place. For example, the extra mass thing that you mentioned--if you want your pokémon to evolve by slow stages, it would need to go into human growth spurt mode, but on overdrive. It would need to be eating constantly (especially for something like munchlax -> snorlax), and would be almost constantly tired and achy. Evolution would be a huge ordeal in that system, especially as, considering the anatomy of a lot of the transition states you'd get from things like dratini -> dragonite, you'd end up with this creature that can't even really move until its limbs have properly developed.

This approach is okay-ish for pokémon that stay with the same general body plan and do pretty much nothing but grow larger, but for some others, it would lead to very bizarre, probably disturbing progressions. If you were going to do it, I think that the way that people in your story responded to the idea of evolution would need to be a lot different from the way that they do in established canon.

Astinus February 19th, 2009 4:08 PM

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But who likes to stay close to the anime anyway?

Um, people who write anime-centric fic. The anime is a form of canon, so if someone wants to write an anime-centric fic, that's what they follow. They could also use the anime as a source for other information of things.

Besides, Bay's right about the Pokemon going through a change in both the game and anime canon. The anime draws from the game for the basics, and so the Pokemon go through a quick change in both game and anime.

So, when you decide to ignore the anime for having quick evolutions, you're ignoring the game for having quick evolutions, and all the other forms of canon are based on the game. So you're ignoring canon fact that evolution is a quick process for Pokemon.

That's why I don't agree with the "evolution = maturation, and both happen over a long period of time". In the real world, yes, evolution takes a long time. In the Pokemon world, a Magikarp can go from a flopping orange fish to a raging twenty-foot serpent with an attitude in a matter of seconds. That's just how it happens in the Pokemon world. The actual mental maturation might take longer.

So, no, you can't say that "the evolution happens over time, say like if an evolution is different colored fur, then the Pokemon could shed its fur, and a new coat grows in, say as it goes through a growth spurt, growing taller, limbs growing longer, etc" because it just doesn't happen that way in the Pokemon world. An Eevee gets smacked with a Thunderstone, and in a flash of light, it grows spiky yellow and white fur from brown fur, gets bigger, and gains the power of electricity in a matter of seconds. That's how evolution works in the Pokemon world. In a matter of seconds.

Evolution is just one of those things that can't be looked at in a realistic manner in the Pokemon world.

Bay February 19th, 2009 9:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Negrek (Post 4367473)
You could do it that way, and often writers indicate that a pokémon is ready for evolution with some physical or behavioral signs. In the anime, I think there's something like that, too--isn't there some point where Nurse Joy inspects bulbasaur or something and determines that he's ready to evolve?

Yeah. What happened is Ash's Bulbasaur's bulb on its back starts glowing and then after Nurse Joy inspects the Pokemon, she said he's ready to evolve.

And Censored, many people actually write fanfiction that is anime-centric or inspired by some elements of the anime. My fic "Nothing, Everything" is inspired by many events and places from the anime.

To get back to point, even though both medium are not the same, they still have the basics of Pokemon canon like the Pokemon, the places, the attacks, and evolution. I can understand you saying that if the anime portrays evolution differently, but both anime and game canon showed that in that world evolution is very, very fast.

Buoysel February 20th, 2009 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 4367478)
Um, people who write anime-centric fic. The anime is a form of canon, so if someone wants to write an anime-centric fic, that's what they follow. They could also use the anime as a source for other information of things.

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And Censored, many people actually write fanfiction that is anime-centric or inspired by some elements of the anime. My fic "Nothing, Everything" is inspired by many events and places from the anime.

It was meant to be a joke :/ Mainly because so many people write based off of the anime.

Bay February 20th, 2009 8:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Censored (Post 4370677)
It was meant to be a joke :/ Mainly because so many people write based off of the anime.

When you post it though, it doesn't seem like it. Sorry if I took that comment seriously, and I'm not usually like this, but I felt a bit irritated when you post that after I answered your question. Yes, many fics are based off the anime, but there are quite a few great ones out there.

...kay, when is this becoming a "bash the anime!" thread. XD;


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