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Lila February 23rd, 2009 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokedra (Post 4379359)
The ability is really what makes him good. He can support decently but if he didn't have Snow Warning he'd just be an average UU Pokemon.

I agree that the ability makes him good, but I honestly do not think that Abomasnow is that great at supporting. He can learn leech seed and substitute, yes, but that doesn't automatically make him a great support pokemon. He has an incredible amount of weaknesses, and is slow so you can't scout for moves with substitute most of the time. Maybe it's just my opinion on what a supporting pokemon is, but a supporter supports the team (obviously), and thus they have to be able to take a few hits. Abomasnow honestly can't, and you can almost never switch him in unless you absolutely 100% know that the attack coming at him won't be super effective.

Also, I'm not trying to be rude here but you shouldn't first say that he's an excellent support pokemon, and then switch to that he's a decent supporter in the next post. It's quite contradictory and it makes things confusing when your opinion switches in the span of one post. x_x

luke February 23rd, 2009 8:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 4379176)
i can't believe abomasnow and froslass are even on this list. they have their roles and challenging usages but they are in no shape or form threats to the UU metagame.

the rest, however, i could see the BL argument for.

I just want Abomasnow out of UU because I don't want any auto-weather starters in my UU. >:o

Froslass is only up there because of Abomasnow. I can't believe people overlooked Ludicolo and Roserade.

Lila February 23rd, 2009 9:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Get Out of My Honey Pot, Ursaring! (Post 4379744)
I just want Abomasnow out of UU because I don't want any auto-weather starters in my UU. >:o

Froslass is only up there because of Abomasnow. I can't believe people overlooked Ludicolo and Roserade.

Out of curiosity, would Snover be banned if Abomasnow was? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't, but I'm curious.

I've seen so many Hippopotas on teams, so even if Abomasnow is banned I predict there will lots of Snovers running around to irritate people who think that hail teams will disappear. >_> Obviously they won't be as effective as Abomasnow, but they'll still be used to start Hail and refresh it, anyway.

Also, while Froslass's ability is great combined with Abomasnow, almost all the time when I actually do see a Froslass, she's not on a Hail team. Of course she still screws me over since I use a Hail team in UU frequently, lol. Snow Cloak hax is quite irritating, but it seems most Froslass are leads anyway, so they'll only activate that ability if Abomasnow is the other team's starter, or if they decide to switch out and switch back in later on if there is Abomasnow on their own team, which is quite rare since they're mostly suicide leads.

Ludicolo and Roserade are pretty big threats in UU, but honestly I can't say that I've encountered many or have had trouble. Roserade is pretty powerful, but she is very frail to physical attacks so isn't too difficult to take down. Ludicolo seems to only be on rain teams, which he is a big pain on, but otherwise I never see him. I've noticed every day that there are many more weather based teams in UU, with most of them being rain, then hail, then sunny day. I think the thing about Ludicolo is that it relies on Rain Dance for speed, so if you manage to remove that I find he's not much of a threat at all. I'm also encountering more teams which aren't weather based, but have a pokemon with Sunny Day to nullify other weather effects. It's quite a good strategy since it screws over Hail and Rain Dance teams, but not many people are catching onto it yet.

Pokedra February 23rd, 2009 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Get Out of My Honey Pot, Ursaring! (Post 4379744)
I just want Abomasnow out of UU because I don't want any auto-weather starters in my UU. >:o

Froslass is only up there because of Abomasnow. I can't believe people overlooked Ludicolo and Roserade.

Abomasnow should be BL I agree. It's abiltiy helps Walrein and Froslass alot.

I reckon Roserade is overlooked, she isn't that bad. Good Special Attack and Special Defence and decent Speed plus she can Subseed and support.

Samson February 24th, 2009 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Get Out of My Honey Pot, Ursaring! (Post 4379744)
I just want Abomasnow out of UU because I don't want any auto-weather starters in my UU. >:o

Froslass is only up there because of Abomasnow. I can't believe people overlooked Ludicolo and Roserade.

O_O roserade ISN'T BL? news to me. i haven't been up on the changes to the ladder so i'm pretty surprised that they'd make that mistake. i mean, really, it's no shaymin but just a few notches off from it.

i wish they would just make more pokes with auto-weather abilities. UU Drought would be AWESOME.

luke February 24th, 2009 10:09 AM

Well, I'm not sure if you know, but BL/UU/NFE were all merged. And since Roserade was BL before the merge, it's technically "UU" now.

Samson February 24th, 2009 10:12 AM

oh yeah, that's right. keke, that changes a lot now doesn't it? :D


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