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Dark Azelf February 26th, 2009 9:42 AM

Just a note, smogons evs and set for DD mence are major suck. There is nothing even in the top 20 Fire Blast is more useful than Fire Fang for, not even Zong since it usually runs Sassy nature anyway lol. (Adamant @ 80 HP / 252 ATT / 176 SPEED and doesnt cut its natural bulk)


However i do agree that mence outclasses nite and would be much better because you cannot switch into lucario for squat (SD/CC/ES/Crunch nails you). I know your own Lucario can revenge with Vacuum Wave it but mence would at least provide insurance.



Jolt
DD Mence
Specs Lucario
Offensive Suicune
Skarm
Dusknoir

To sum up changes over the last few posts to make you less metagame weak, something like this would work.

However i dont see what Skarm and Noir are doing here, just "because they are walls" really isnt a good reason. Not every team needs walls to win you know as demonstrated by the metagame is how it is now and they seem like dead weight in all honesty. Checks are really alot more effective.

Something to cover your Blissey weakness would be a great start (lol) and some sort of central strategy would be nice here to open up a sweep, because as of now nothing does.

ozmer February 26th, 2009 12:09 PM

Most of the posts have been pretty helpful so Ill sort through them and see what I come up with as I don't have the time to address each one individually. Thanks you to those who gave helpful insight.

wolf February 26th, 2009 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmer (Post 4378068)
Here is my OU team. It is able to collectively resist every type with great defensive as well as offensive power. I would appreciate any comments but please be respectful.

Skarmory
Item: Shed Shell
Ability: Keen Eye
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP /64 Atk /176Def / 16Spe
Moveset:
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Whirlwind
--Physical Wall/spiker. Roost helps a lot.
One word: Skarmory stinks at leading.
Dusknoir
Item: Wide Lens
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
Moveset:
-Pain Split
-Shadow Sneak
-Toxic
-Will-O-Wisp
--Special wall. Don't suggest Blissey.
Why can it not be Blissey, I thought this would be an RMT. :\ Anyways, WoW is useless if he isn't a complete physical wall. I also never was fond of Shadow Sneak since everything used it on me, but just did 1-5% damage, lol. I would think Fire Punch would be better over Shadow Sneak if you are wanting to keep WoW.
Alakazam
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Synchronize
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Moveset:
-Focus Blast
-Psychic
-Signal Beam
-Trick
--Powerful special sweeper. Pretty standard.
Pursuit? Pursuit's popularity has risen (as I have seen) these days, so sweepers that are not SE to it, or even resisting it, would be better.
Jolteon
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
Nature: Hasty
EVs: 252 HP / 24 SpD / 232 Spe
Moveset:
-Baton Pass
-Discharge
-Substitute
-Wish
--Lead. This is my attemp at support. Discharge allows for pseudo Thunderwaveing and subpass helps out the rest of the team.
What is those 24 SpD EVs for? I think you should shove those into Speed. Thunderbolt>>Discharge, I think you would need to hit harder since he isn't going last long to try to attempt to put up status (even with Sub).
Dragonite
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset:
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch
-Outrage
--Standard DDnite. I know salamence is slightly better but I prefer dragonite.
Salamence is faster... Idk what to say if you won't take him out.
Empoleon
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Modest
EVs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 232 Spe
Moveset:
-Agility
-Grass Knot
-Ice Beam
-Surf
--Use support to set up agility and then sweep. Pretty simple
Why all the Speed EVs, he already outspeeds a lot of Pokes with just one Ability usage. Is this for revenge killing? Otherwise, it won't do much to Gyara. <Correct me if I am wrong.

Comments are in bold.

I don't know why this is a RMT thread if you are not open for suggestions. When you make a RMT thread, you be able to switch out other Pokemon even the ones you "like." The hole reason of making a thread for a team is to let people switch out Pokes to cover your weaknesses that you might have. Just letting people tell you to switch out only a few Pokemon in your team really doesn't do it. Even if you like the Pokemon or not, you have to face the facts that there is another Pokemon that does it better. I used to do it, but whenever I did it, my Shoddy record went down entirely. Trust me, it doesn't work, lol.

ozmer February 26th, 2009 3:13 PM

To the above: If this team were just for shoddy battle i would have no problem with any suggestions but that fact is that this is also my in game team for wifi and my PBR wifi team so I have a certain attatchment to the pokemon and I want to make the team a certain way. The reason I made this RMT was to get input on how to make the team better and that's what i got but that doesn't mean i have to make every suggested change. It is my choice whether I want to make any of the suggested changes.

--Team edited in first post.

The Hero Without a Name February 26th, 2009 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomspot555 (Post 4387834)
EDIT: assuming you ignore everything else I say, listen to this: Dragonite will get mauled by SR, making Focus Sash useless. Sand is also pretty common too. You need at least a Rapid Spinner, and possibly a weather changer.

Actually, spinning is a bit of a waste in the modern metagame =/

randomspot555 February 26th, 2009 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolflare (Post 4388551)
Comments are in bold.

I don't know why this is a RMT thread if you are not open for suggestions. When you make a RMT thread, you be able to switch out other Pokemon even the ones you "like." The hole reason of making a thread for a team is to let people switch out Pokes to cover your weaknesses that you might have. Just letting people tell you to switch out only a few Pokemon in your team really doesn't do it. Even if you like the Pokemon or not, you have to face the facts that there is another Pokemon that does it better. I used to do it, but whenever I did it, my Shoddy record went down entirely. Trust me, it doesn't work, lol.

Fully agreed. But it's not that these Pokemon, in this case Dusknoir and Dragonite, are bad Pokemon. It's just he's using them when other Pokemon fill the role much better.

If you have a [insert Pokemon here] trying to be Blissey, why use a cheap imitation instead of the real thing?

This isn't to say "use Blissey", but actually "play to Dusknoir's strengths". But the reason everyone here is saying "use Blissey" is because the role says "special wall"...and no one does that better than Blissey.

As for Dragonite, he is outclassed by Salamence as a pure physical DD sweeper. But his very diverse special move pool, team support (Light Screen, Safe Guard, Thunder Wave, Heal Bell), and Focus Punch and Superpower give him several options in mixed attacking and defensive sets that Salamence can't do.

I also think Jolteon is a poor lead. Tyranitar, with the special defense sand stream boost, won't care about it's 0 EVs in special attack and that just gives it time to set up. Aerodactyl will outspeed Jolteon unless it has max speed and a Timid nature, in which case it ties. But with 0 EVs in special attack, I can't see it KOing many starters outside of Gyarados.

(I get what Jolteon is TRYING to do, but it's really not something that should be played first. The first Pokemon either needs to hit hard and fast, or be extremely bulky and set up and take hits. Jolteon is currently doing neither).

Quote:

Actually, spinning is a bit of a waste in the modern metagame =/
As a Wi-Fi player, I don't see it as a waste, especially with the many frail or SR weak Pokes on the team. And many spinners can do MORE than just spin. Sure, Donphan won't be doing much. But Claydol, Starmie, and others can serve other uses after they spin away entry hazards.

luke February 26th, 2009 3:22 PM

I'm sorry, but this is a place for competitive Pokemon. I have no problem with using favorites, but if your favorite Pokemon is less than stellar in OU, you must make an effort to build the team around it's weaknesses and strengths. However, you're just throwing your "favorites" together in a manner that doesn't make sense in a competitive manner. Others have given you suggestions to make this team work, but you're being resistant and stubborn.

It's been a tradition in this section that if someone is stubborn, attacks others for giving them sound advice, and is rude overall, they don't deserve a thread.

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