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mystery913 April 5th, 2009 12:27 PM

i'm pretty new to competitive battling and i've always wanted to try i dont have much now only my Gengar but i am getting a breloom. this is what it has:

held item: toxic orb
ability: poison heal
moveset:
Spore
Leech Seed
Substitute
???

I dont have a fourth move. any suggestions?

Pokedra April 5th, 2009 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystery913 (Post 4505991)
i'm pretty new to competitive battling and i've always wanted to try i dont have much now only my Gengar but i am getting a breloom. this is what it has:

held item: toxic orb
ability: poison heal
moveset:
Spore
Leech Seed
Substitute
Focus Punch

I dont have a fourth move. any suggestions?

That's SubSeed Breloom :)

Detox April 5th, 2009 4:08 PM

You could also go with Seed bomb > Leech seed for more Coverage...

NickSwift April 5th, 2009 5:39 PM

All right here is my team (in FireRed, have no cable)

Tyranitar @ not sure yet, looking for ideas
252 Atk, 252 Spd, Naughty
Dragon Dance
Rockslide
Earthquake
Brick Break

Arcanine @ charcoal
252 SpA 252 Spd, Mild
Flamethrower
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Sunny Day
Not sure on this poke or moveset :\

Jynx @ nevermeltice
252 SpA, 252 Spd, Mild
Ice Beam
Psychic
Lovely Kiss
??

Electabuzz
252 SpA, 252 Spd, Hasty
Ice Punch
Thunderbolt
Thunder wave
--??

Not totally sure on my team yet, still looking for 2 more, maybe a poison/spiker and a wall like snorlax.

Watch out for that jet Metang! April 6th, 2009 12:47 AM

Could I request a Mamoswine with the bulkiest ev spread possible, that can still OHKO salamence and Dragonite with ice shard?

tom101222 April 6th, 2009 3:50 PM

im surprised this hasen't been deleted yet but yea it was at least moved

"Shadow Lugia" April 6th, 2009 4:21 PM

Could someone help me complete this Porygon2?

Item: Lum Berry
Ability: Trace
Nature: Modest
Moveset:
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave
Recover

EVs: HP 252/Def ?/SpD ?

I know it's better to invest more EVs in Def, but I would still like it to stand up to SpA users fairly well.

You're Gonna Go Far Kid! April 6th, 2009 6:31 PM

Is Venemoth viable against an OU environment?
If so,try your best to give me a moveset.
Something unconventional please.No cookie cutter Smogon sets ^-^

Pokedra April 6th, 2009 7:58 PM

Venomoth is viable in the lower tiers like NU and UU but in OU its gets fainted too easily. The threats there are simply too fast and strong for him plus he can't switch into much due to his fraility :(

However if you wanted the best set for OU go with the Specs set.

[email protected] Choice Specs
Nature : Timid(-Atk,+Spe)
Ability : Tinted Lens
EV : 4HP/ 252 SpAtk/ 252 Spe
-Sludge Bomb
-Bug Buzz
-Psychic
-HP Ice

Watch out for that jet Metang! April 6th, 2009 11:27 PM

Can CB scizor ohko standard DD mence after stealth rock damage?

Dark Azelf April 7th, 2009 6:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watch out for that jet Metang! (Post 4511437)
Can CB scizor ohko standard DD mence after stealth rock damage?

Nope, it never OHKO's after SR damage even with SS up.

Dark Azelf April 7th, 2009 6:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokedra (Post 4511057)
Venomoth is viable in the lower tiers like NU and UU but in OU its gets fainted too easily. The threats there are simply too fast and strong for him plus he can't switch into much due to his fraility :(

However if you wanted the best set for OU go with the Specs set.

[email protected] Choice Specs
Nature : Timid(-Atk,+Spe)
Ability : Tinted Lens
EV : 4HP/ 252 SpAtk/ 252 Spe
-Sludge Bomb
-Bug Buzz
-Psychic
-HP Ice

Hidden Power Ground >>> HP Ice for Heatran.

You're Gonna Go Far Kid! April 7th, 2009 7:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokedra (Post 4511057)
Venomoth is viable in the lower tiers like NU and UU but in OU its gets fainted too easily. The threats there are simply too fast and strong for him plus he can't switch into much due to his fraility :(

However if you wanted the best set for OU go with the Specs set.

[email protected] Choice Specs
Nature : Timid(-Atk,+Spe)
Ability : Tinted Lens
EV : 4HP/ 252 SpAtk/ 252 Spe
-Sludge Bomb
-Bug Buzz
-Psychic
-HP Ice

I'm usually not a fan of choice items but i'll give this set a try.
Thanks =]

Bashoomba April 7th, 2009 11:34 AM

hi, I am fairly new to the more competitive side of this game and had a question and did not feel it warranted a thread of its own.

If you have a team that is being rated, and a suggestion is made to place a particular TM move on a member of that team that is already assigned to another Pokemon. Is the only way to feasibly continue working on this team to completely replay the game as it appears that TM's are one use items?

I ask this because i am going through plat. version and acquireing a number of these TM moves, but am afriad to use them on any of my pokemon. Becasue, if i need them for a team later on when i have finished playing through the game, i would have to replay the entire game again.

Is this really how this system works?

It just seems like alot of work to tweak your teams if you need TM moves that are already in use. replaying the game 5-10 times to get the setup you want through play testing the team seems overly combursome.

Just looking for a little clarification or confirmation on this.

Thank in advance

Griffinbane April 7th, 2009 1:38 PM

Hola. I need help with figuring out an EV spread for the battle frontier, but would like to transfer these pokemon to competitive battling as well (soon as my wifi works anyways). Unfortunately, I'm limited to TMs that are buyable, because I can't trade for any (for now...).
So far, my team goes like this:

Infernape
Nature: Careful (+SpD, -SpA)
Ability: Blaze
-Close Combat
-Flare Blitz
-Stone Edge
-U-turn

Kadabra
Nature: Modest (+SpA, -Atk)
Ability: Synchronize
-Shadow Ball
-Recover
-Psychic
-Hidden Power: Fire

Floatzel
Nature: Gentle (+SpD, -Def)
Ability: Swift Swim
-Ice Fang
-Waterfall
-Crunch
-Brick Break

Demo123 April 7th, 2009 2:01 PM

You can get TM's traded to you by other people, and, some Tm's are available to purchase at the Dept. store, and at the battle tower.

El Gofre April 7th, 2009 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Shadow Lugia" (Post 4510389)
Could someone help me complete this Porygon2?

Item: Lum Berry
Ability: Trace
Nature: Modest
Moveset:
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave
Recover

EVs: HP 252/Def ?/SpD ?

I know it's better to invest more EVs in Def, but I would still like it to stand up to SpA users fairly well.

Defensive porygon 2 run 252HP/216Def/40SpAtt if I remember correctly.

El Gofre April 7th, 2009 3:17 PM

Am I correct in hearing that there's a more up-to-date source for standard movesets than smogon's strategydex?

Bashoomba April 7th, 2009 8:19 PM

After doing a good amount of research i did not realize the vast amount of competitive play was done on simulators like shoddy battle. The fact that such a program exists, eliminates the concerns i had over tm's and greatly encourages getting into competitive play. I apologize for not doing the research completely first. Thanks for the input.

Bash

Archer April 7th, 2009 10:56 PM

Gofre - It's called the Smogon Workshop in the forums.

Bashoomba - Hey, it was a perfectly viable question. There's no need to worry. It's also worth mentioning, that with any TM Move, it can be passed on to a baby by the father when breeding. This works well for once-only TMs such as Grass Knot and Stealth Rock; keep in mind not every first-stage pokemon can learn the move you require, like Bagon and Roost.

Zeller April 8th, 2009 12:40 AM

Does STAB take effect before or after held items effects? How does that work with held items?

I have a Metagross with meteor mash (steel) so it should get STAB, right? Then it's holding an iron-plate. What gets boosted first? His base steel attack power, then STAB adds 50% of that, or vise versa?

Alternative April 8th, 2009 3:49 AM

Is HP Fighting good for a Bold Zapdos?

I wasn't SRing for a Zapdos, but got lucky with the Bold nature and found out that it also has HP Fighting 63 recently.

steelcurtain10 April 8th, 2009 1:13 PM

I have an Incomplete team, the real good pokemon I have so far is weavile,my Physical Sweeper!
I need some pointers on what good pokemon I could use for the other positions.
Phy.wall
Sp.Sweeper
Sp.wall
Annoyer
Baton passer
Please either pm me on help or reply to this message.

Jake♫ April 8th, 2009 1:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelcurtain10 (Post 4516395)
I have an Incomplete team, the real good pokemon I have so far is weavile,my Physical Sweeper!
I need some pointers on what good pokemon I could use for the other positions.
Phy.wall
Sp.Sweeper
Sp.wall
Annoyer
Baton passer
Please either pm me on help or reply to this message.

Smogon will be your best resource here, giving you common movesets for plenty of Pokemon, along with the proper natures, EVs, and IVs (When applicable).

By the way, Weavile is metagame weak, don't use it unless you are obsessive about it :P

steelcurtain10 April 8th, 2009 1:19 PM

Ok thank you,Ill be sure to use smgon from now on.

J-Rad April 8th, 2009 1:35 PM

K so I just caught a Moltres with a Hasty Nature and the following IV's

HP:2
Attack:27
Defense:25
Sp.Attack:7
Sp.Def:30
Speed:30
Hidden Power [Bug]: 67 power

Yes, I know the special attack leaves a lot to be desired, but with IV's like those letting it go to waste is just something I can't do. I'm thinking Specs for it's Sp.Attack, but I need a fourth move. This is what I got:

[email protected] Specs**Charizard
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Pressure
Ev's: 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 4 HP
~Overheat
~Air Slash
~Hidden Power [Bug] (Assuming TTar has flawless Sp.Def and HP this thing is still a guarenteed 2HKO meaning I can catch it on the switch and finish it off.)
~???

Jake♫ April 8th, 2009 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonzilla (Post 4516485)
K so I just caught a Moltres with a Hasty Nature and the following IV's

HP:2
Attack:27
Defense:25
Sp.Attack:7
Sp.Def:30
Speed:30
Hidden Power [Bug]: 67 power

Yes, I know the special attack leaves a lot to be desired, but with IV's like those letting it go to waste is just something I can't do. I'm thinking Specs for it's Sp.Attack, but I need a fourth move. This is what I got:

[email protected] Specs**Charizard
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Pressure
Ev's: 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 4 HP
~Overheat
~Air Slash
~Hidden Power [Bug] (Assuming TTar has flawless Sp.Def and HP this thing is still a guarenteed 2HKO meaning I can catch it on the switch and finish it off.)
~???

Yeah, HP Bug pretty much useless. Plus, you want either a Timid or Modest Nature: Dropping it's SpD (I think) isn't helping it much. Plus, unless you are absolutely POSITIVE that the opposing team has a Tar, it is even more useless.

Unless you have saved already, I'd keep resetting :P

BUT if you are adamant on using this, then you can use U-Turn to scout, Sleep Talk to absorb a Sleep status, or Flamethrower if you want to use it late-game without the SpA drop

J-Rad April 8th, 2009 2:17 PM

How do I get Spore on Smeargle? Everytime I try it learns the move used against it when it wakes up...

Jake♫ April 8th, 2009 2:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blakus (Post 4515014)
Is HP Fighting good for a Bold Zapdos?

I wasn't SRing for a Zapdos, but got lucky with the Bold nature and found out that it also has HP Fighting 63 recently.

I suppose that could work well. Hits Heatran, Magnezone, T-Tar, and Lucario for Super-Effective damage to name a few (Although you can hit Magnezone and Lucario with Heat Wave too :P)

Azonic April 8th, 2009 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonzilla (Post 4516618)
How do I get Spore on Smeargle? Everytime I try it learns the move used against it when it wakes up...

Double battle with Breloom / Parasect, of course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeller (Post 4514823)
Does STAB take effect before or after held items effects? How does that work with held items?

I have a Metagross with meteor mash (steel) so it should get STAB, right? Then it's holding an iron-plate. What gets boosted first? His base steel attack power, then STAB adds 50% of that, or vise versa?

100 x 1.5 x 1.2 = 180 Power

It shouldn't be holding an Iron Plate in the first place though. There are much better items.

GFA April 8th, 2009 5:13 PM

This would be the section of the forum to put a Rate My Team thread right?

jigglyppuff8 April 8th, 2009 5:27 PM

Yes. However, it needs to be approved by a mod first, I believe.

Lt. Silver April 8th, 2009 11:33 PM

Do people think that scyther makes a good baton passer?

El Gofre April 9th, 2009 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watch out for that jet Metang! (Post 4508063)
Could I request a Mamoswine with the bulkiest ev spread possible, that can still OHKO salamence and Dragonite with ice shard?

According to my calcs (using metalkids DC), an adamant mamoswin can do the following to dragonite/mence with 4HP and a neutral natre:

Stealth Rock in play+No attack EVs: OHKO on both
Life Orb+ No attack EVs: OHKO on both
No item, No SR and 152 attack EVs: OHKO on salamence
Life Orb+Stealth Rock+No attack EVs= OHKO on salamence after intimidate

Those are pretty much all the garenteed KOs I could find, although dragonite risks being KO'd from ice shard with 152 EVs and above.

Keyaki April 9th, 2009 8:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 4517946)
Do people think that scyther makes a good baton passer?

i think Ninjask makes a better passer



what does Revenge Killer mean? and what does role play?

Jake♫ April 9th, 2009 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 4517946)
Do people think that scyther makes a good baton passer?

If you are in UU or even OU, its weakness to Stealth Rock can hinder its ablility to switch in and get off the necessary moves. If there is no SR, however, it could do some good. Same goes for Ninjask as the above stated (Same types and all)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyaki (Post 4518824)
what does Revenge Killer mean? and what does role play?

A Revenge Killer is a Pokemon that comes in after one of their own Pokemon are taken out, and they usually carry a Choice Scarf (Most of the time) for the speed boost, as they are meant to switch in and out anyways, so being locked into one move doesn't have much of an effect.

Another common revenge killing tactic is the use of Pursuit on previously weakened Pokemon, so if they choose the switch out, they are hurt...BADLY.

Nashton April 9th, 2009 1:18 PM

i ve traind a masquirain

moveset
ice beam
stun spore
water pulse
bug buzz

evs
spatk 190
speed 160
def 160

is it good? can it be better?

Alternative April 9th, 2009 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nashton (Post 4519903)
i ve traind a masquirain

moveset
ice beam
stun spore
water pulse
bug buzz

evs
spatk 190
speed 160
def 160

is it good? can it be better?


First of all, you want to change the EV spread so that you have max EVs in Sp. Atk and Speed.

Second of all, Masquerain works best as a Life Orb or Choice Specs/Scarf Sweeper, so no moves like Stun Spore

Thirdly, Breed it so you can get good moves like Hydro Pump and use a different move set like this:
- Hydro Pump [Powerful, takes out fires]
- Ice Beam [Takes out dragons and flying etc.]
- Bug Buzz [STAB move]
- Shadow Ball/Air Slash [Filler move]

That's just the set for the Choice Specs/Scarf. There are more sets which include Stun Spore and Baton Passing and such. Just Experiment.

SnowpointQuincy April 9th, 2009 7:46 PM

Why is Absol so bad?!! I went through all the trouble of training an Abol and it came out perfect. It can't take a hit. I was hoping for something better. I have to settle for Dragonite. Just wanted to vent and ask a truely simple question.

jigglyppuff8 April 9th, 2009 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnowpointQuincy (Post 4521474)
Why is Absol so bad?!! I went through all the trouble of training an Abol and it came out perfect. It can't take a hit. I was hoping for something better. I have to settle for Dragonite. Just wanted to vent and ask a truely simple question.

Well, that entirely depends on the set you're using and how you're using it.

Judging from what you'll replace it with, you're likely playing OU. There's a reason it's not in OU. Low speed and lower defenses. Also, there's not much that it resists.

Also, "settling" for Dragonite? You're saying that as if you thought Absol would be better even though all of Dragonite's stats are higher than Absol's and there's the superior typing. Just stating my view on this.

Archer April 9th, 2009 9:47 PM

What set are you running? That can have a lot to do with it. SD/Night Slash/Superpower/Sucker Punch is pretty good.

SilverCrown April 10th, 2009 3:47 AM

Could someone please help me out with a moveset for a Gastrodon. Thanks :)

Alternative April 10th, 2009 3:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverCrown (Post 4522286)
Could someone please help me out with a moveset for a Gastrodon. Thanks :)

Gastrodon has a good move pool, and can use various moves such as Stockpile, Recover and Counter. So I suppose a good move pool would be something like this.
~ Recover
~ Toxic
~ Surf/Ice Beam
~ Stockpile/Counter

That all depends on what sort of Gastrodon you're looking for.

SilverCrown April 10th, 2009 4:33 AM

Awesome, thanks a lot! I'll give it a try. :)

Alternative April 10th, 2009 4:42 AM

Is this a good move set for a Zapdos? I have a Zapdos with HP Fighting so yeah.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Bold/Pressure
~ Roost
~ T-Bolt
~ HP Fighting
~ Filler

T-Bolt for STAB move.

HP Fighting for the likes of Lucario, Tyranitar and Heatran

Roost for healing

Filler for I don't know what this move will be.

Keyaki April 10th, 2009 7:05 AM

Is there a way to alter the nature of the riolu you get from Riley?

B/c i keep getting the Sassy Nature

jigglyppuff8 April 10th, 2009 7:24 AM

You need to Soft Reset before you get the Egg from Riley. Besides, breeding your own eggs allows for much more control and potential with Egg moves, IVs, and all that.

Aurafire April 10th, 2009 7:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blakus (Post 4522378)
Is this a good move set for a Zapdos? I have a Zapdos with HP Fighting so yeah.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Bold/Pressure
~ Roost
~ T-Bolt
~ HP Fighting
~ Filler

T-Bolt for STAB move.

HP Fighting for the likes of Lucario, Tyranitar and Heatran

Roost for healing

Filler for I don't know what this move will be.

Heat Wave > HP fighting so you can take care of Scizor, or HP ice is a better option for type coverage.

I always liked Thunderwave in the last slot on my defensive Zapdos, but if you're not using HP Ice, HP Grass is another option, as well as Roar.

Awesomo April 10th, 2009 8:28 AM

kk i need sum help. Im thinking about making a team based around a couple of sashers. Im debating which would be the best rapid spinner to keep their sashes in tact. Im either thinking of claydol or forretress. I like claydol because it has better defenses. My plan would be to tank hits spin away spike and eventually explode on anythingi cant handle. Forretress has a better attack stat so the explosion will do more damage and t-spikes. But it lacks in the sp. def department. any advice would be helpful

Tpoto April 10th, 2009 8:34 AM

I need a moveset for Ludicolo that doesn't include leech seed... Right now I have

Surf
Blizzard
Rain Dance
Giga Drain/Grass Knot/Energy Ball

Thank you :)

wolf April 10th, 2009 8:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awesomo (Post 4523096)
kk i need sum help. Im thinking about making a team based around a couple of sashers. Im debating which would be the best rapid spinner to keep their sashes in tact. Im either thinking of claydol or forretress. I like claydol because it has better defenses. My plan would be to tank hits spin away spike and eventually explode on anythingi cant handle. Forretress has a better attack stat so the explosion will do more damage and t-spikes. But it lacks in the sp. def department. any advice would be helpful

Forretress is easier to get in than Claydol due to superior Defense, and the metagame is shifting mostly on the physical side of the spectrum. It has also better typing, with only one weakness. You can also consider Tentacruel as it absorbs T-Spikes, which maybe useful, and it also walls Infernape (which is good to know lol). Starmie you can maybe consider, but now with Pursuit users everywhere is isn't a good choice (same goes for Claydol).

Awesomo April 10th, 2009 8:45 AM

i really appreciate it. what do you think a good item to give forret would be?

wolf April 10th, 2009 8:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awesomo (Post 4523160)
i really appreciate it. what do you think a good item to give forret would be?

ALWAYS go for Shed Shell, because Magnezone has been gaining popularity, and it will trap you kill you. >.< Even if you opt for giving it Earthquake, all Magnezone sets with outrun you, and kill you with HP [Fire], so yeah, go for Shed Shell, but if you feel risky, you can go for Lefties.

wolf April 10th, 2009 9:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tpoto (Post 4523128)
I need a moveset for Ludicolo that doesn't include leech seed... Right now I have

Surf
Blizzard
Rain Dance
Giga Drain/Grass Knot/Energy Ball

Thank you :)

Okay, it would have to be offensive without Leech Seed, so...

Ludicolo @ Life Orb / Damp Rock
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Surf / Hydro Pump
- Grass Knot / Energy Ball
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance / Focus Punch

You can go for Surf for late game sweeping, or Hydro Pump for normal sweeping mid game, w/e. Grass Knot 2HKOs Bulky Gyarados, and a ~60% chance of netting a OHKO on Suicune. Energy Ball is mainly for Vaporeon, which laughs at Grass Knot (she doesn't eat that much). Energy Ball also 2HKOs Bulky Gyara after Stealth Rock is factored. Ice Beam for dragons, Focus Punch is a nasty surprise for Blissey. LO is better>>Damp Rock as is ensures that Grass Knot 2HKOs Gyarados, but Damp Rock is decent.

You can slap a Specs on the first set if you want, and give him 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe EVs.

I love this set:

Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Waterfall
- Seed Bomb
- Ice Punch

Giblie April 10th, 2009 12:47 PM

I came back for a bit to ask for advice on a Ninetales moveset. =D I can't play my DS, ish broken. D=
Alrighty so, I have decided to get Ninetales for my Platinum team for when I get the game for my birthday. And will be awhile till I am able to get my Ninetales anyway. But I want to know what people think of this moveset for it. I am going to name it Kyuubi. I am going to breed for mine.

Ninetales (Kyuubi) w/???
Modest Nature
-Energy Ball
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
-Heat Wave/???
-Sunny Day/Will o' Whisp/Confuse Ray

You should already guess why I decided to give it Energy Ball, so it can best its weaknesses Water and Rock. And also Ground types. This is the first in a long while that I decided to post something about Pokemon. For the rest of my team I decided on Honchkrow, Torterra (my starter), and Lapras. Not sure for the last two though.

Dark Azelf April 10th, 2009 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giblie (Post 4523970)
Ninetales (Kyuubi) w/Life Orb
Timid Nature
-Energy Ball
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
-Nasty Plot
-Hypnosis

Comments in bold.

Needs timid and 2 fire moves are very redundant. Use Hypnosis or its outclassed by Infernape.

Giblie April 10th, 2009 2:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4524248)
Comments in bold.

Needs timid and 2 fire moves are very redundant. Use Hypnosis or its outclassed by Infernape.

Ok thanks. When I get to get my Ninetales. I will try that. =D

Pochama95 April 10th, 2009 6:52 PM

what is UU, OU, BL, EV,IV and whatever else and what does it mean in battle?

jigglyppuff8 April 10th, 2009 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pochama95 (Post 4525346)
what is UU, OU, BL, EV,IV and whatever else and what does it mean in battle?

OU, BL, and UU are the tiers that Pokemon are divided into in competitive battling (a.k.a. how strong they are).
OU stands for Overused and indicates which Pokemon are typically the strongest and most often used.
UU stands for Underused and typically describes most Pokemon not in OU or ubers due to their weakness.
BL stands for Borderline and describes Pokemon too powerful to be used in UU, but not powerful enough to be a real threat in OU.

EVs and IVs are factors that determine a Pokemon's stats.

EVs, also known as Effort Values, are values gained whenever experience is. You can gain EVs in any of the 6 stats of HP, Attack, Defense, Sp. Attack, Sp. Defense, and Speed. The more EVs you have in a stat, the more powerful the stat will be. The kind and amount of EVs gained is entirely dependent on the Pokemon. Starly give 1 EV in speed when KOed, Machop give 1 in attack, Machamp give 3 in attack. You can have up to a maximum of 255 EVs in any stat and 510 total. The amount of stat points you gain in a stat is the amount of EVs in that stat divided by 4. For example: My Jigglypuff has 0 EVs in HP at lv. 100 and has 343 HP. If I give it 238 EVs in HP, that's 238/4 = 59 R2, so now its HP stat is 402. If it had 255, the maximum amount, that's 255/4 = 63 R3, so now its HP stat is 406. So that you don't waste EVs, you'll notice that 252 is used instead of 255 so there isn't that remainder of 3.

IVs, also known as Individual Values, are fixed, unchanging values that also determine a Pokemon's strength. IVs are also calculated in each of the 6 stats and are determined the moment you encounter a Pokemon. IVs range on a scale from 0-31 and add one stat point for every IV much like EVs. For example: My lv. 100 Jigglypuff with a 0 IV in HP has 403. If it had a 31 IV instead, its HP would then be 434.

These are important to keep in mind as they will maximize your Pokemon's performance. Do you need anything more explained?

Lalapizzame April 10th, 2009 7:54 PM

Actually Borderline (BL) means something is strong enough to be out of UU, just not used enough to be in OU.

Uber is the tier above OU and all Pokemon can be used there, besides the banned Arceus.

Dark Azelf April 10th, 2009 8:02 PM

Ubers: Ban list for OU
OU: Standard play
BL: Ban list for UU
UU: Underused pokemon

Pokedra April 11th, 2009 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pochama95 (Post 4525346)
what is UU, OU, BL, EV,IV and whatever else and what does it mean in battle?

The tiers have been explained by D_A and Lala but for EV's take a look at this guide ;)

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1197211

WaterGod April 11th, 2009 3:26 AM

Can I have some help on my Diamond Team?

Empoleon @ ?:
?
Surf
Drill Peck
Ice Beam
Earthquake/Shadow Claw

Machamp @ ?:
Adamant [+Atk, -Sp. Atk]
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Cross Chop

Lucario @ ?:
?
Dragon Pulse
Aura Sphere
Psychic
Dark Pulse

Okay, so this is what I have so far. I have a weakness to Ground here so I'm maybe wanting a Grass Pokemon, perhaps Roserade? Any suggestions are welcome. I'd also like some help on the other slots in my team that I need to fill. What types do I need? Which Pokemon? Thanks very much.

~WaterGod

EDIT: I just realised I need a Psychic or Ghost.

I might use Mr. Mime, he can learn a lot of cool moves:

Mr. Mime @ ?:
Modest [+Sp. Atk, -Atk]
Psychic
Grass Knot/Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Thunder/Thunderbolt

Alakazam has a way higher Special Attack, so possibly this instead:

Alakazam @ ?:
Modest [+Sp. Atk, -Atk]
Psychic
Grass Knot/Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Shock Wave?

However, if we're speaking in terms of Ground counters, because I need one, then surely a Gengar:

Gengar @ ?:
Modest [+Sp. Atl, -Atk]
Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Dark Pulse
Thunder/Thunderbolt

Personally, I;d rather use a Gengar than Staraptor.

Sorry this is such a long post.

Lapras1016 April 11th, 2009 7:25 AM

I'm trying to EV train a Feebas/Milotic in Diamond before sending it to Platinum; EV training at the beginning is so difficult. Can anyone help me with the moves and EVs? I'm using a Bold Milotic with at least Surf, Ice Beam, and Recover, holding Leftovers, and 252 Defense EVs, but that's all I have now.

J-Rad April 11th, 2009 7:40 AM

148 HP / 252 Def / 108 SpA would be ideal IMO, as for the last move you should go either Sleep Talk or Hypnosis, if sleep talk then you might want 252 Sp.DEF instead as you can switch in as you anticipate sleep and then lol at things with your max def and still attack with Sleep Talk.

@Water God:
Empoleon wants speacil attacks, not physical adn modest or calm nature(if modest then put agility on there) with leftoveres
Machamp: if it has no guard then Dyamic Punch>Cross Chop
Lucario: Psycic has lol worthy coverage pick something else,
Alakazam and Gengar are about equal in my eyes, pick the one you like more/fits your team better(I say Gengar so you can lol at Earth Quake) they want timid natures and Gengar wants a wide lense if you choose thunder, Shadow Ball and Dark pulse are rudundant use just shadow ball


You don't necicisarily need a grass type, grass knot on Emoleon should suffice

sasuneuchiha April 11th, 2009 11:24 AM

Hi. I need an idea.

I'm designing a team for the Battle Frontier in Platinum...I can't decide. Here's my team so far.

Heatran w/ Wise Glasses
252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/6 HP
Naive
Flash Fire

Flamethrower
Flash Cannon
Dragon Pulse
Earth Power

Scizor w/ Scope Lens
252 Atk/252 Speed/6 HP
Adamant
Technician

Bullet Punch
Iron Head
X-Scissor
Double Hit

Vaporeon w/ ??? (no item ideas yet)
252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/6 HP
Modest
Water Absorb

Ice Beam
Aqua Ring
Shadow Ball
Surf

Shuckle w/ ???
252 Sp. Def/252 Def/6 HP
Impish
Gluttony

Stone Edge
Toxic
Power Trick
Gyro Ball

And then this last spot isn't taken yet. Any suggestions?

Alternative April 11th, 2009 4:06 PM

Is there any Pokemon that can utilize Calm Mind + Baton Pass apart from Espeon?

It would be nice if they were in UU/NU as well.

Gymnotide April 11th, 2009 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blakus (Post 4529030)
Is there any Pokemon that can utilize Calm Mind + Baton Pass apart from Espeon?

It would be nice if they were in UU/NU as well.

Mr. Mime, Mew, Girafarig, Celebi, Drifblim, Delcatty, Medicham, Spinda, Absol.

Forever Forum April 11th, 2009 5:12 PM

Confused as far as EV Training goes
 
Been a longgg time since I've been on these boards. If there is a more useful topic that explains what I need help in, then I aplogize but I am kinda in a rush for work. Nonetheless, I recently bought Platinum and are enjoying it. I already completed the Poke League and now I am in preparation to train for my main team.

Magmortar
Electivire
Dragonite
Lanturn
Roserade
(not sure about 6th)

Anyway, I am just confused about the whole basic knowledge about EV Training. I am aware that whatever Pokemon you battle against, you gain an equal amount of EV depending on whom you battle. Now my question is, when should I start EV training? Any specific level? I plan on breeding all my Pokemon with the exception of Lanturn and training them as babies. In this scenario, when should I start EV training for them? Excuse me for this long explanation but this has troubled me for quite some time but I would really appreciate if anyone could help me out here.

Zebra Thunderhead April 11th, 2009 5:15 PM

Questions regarding EV training belong in Strategies & Movesets.

-MOVED-

Dark Azelf April 11th, 2009 5:26 PM

This sort of this is better suited to the simple Q+A thread.

~Merges~

Awesomo April 11th, 2009 6:42 PM

Hey whats going on with the new event coming about and all im getting pretty excited about possibly integrating a Rotom into my party. Im kinda curious to see what kinda rotom sets there are running around. If some1 can please post up some of the popular sets with the EV spreads

Lapras1016 April 11th, 2009 7:50 PM

I thought Serebii said Rotom can't be used there? :\

jigglyppuff8 April 11th, 2009 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sUrfiNg_pIkacHu (Post 4529314)
Been a longgg time since I've been on these boards. If there is a more useful topic that explains what I need help in, then I aplogize but I am kinda in a rush for work. Nonetheless, I recently bought Platinum and are enjoying it. I already completed the Poke League and now I am in preparation to train for my main team.

Magmortar
Electivire
Dragonite
Lanturn
Roserade
(not sure about 6th)

Anyway, I am just confused about the whole basic knowledge about EV Training. I am aware that whatever Pokemon you battle against, you gain an equal amount of EV depending on whom you battle. Now my question is, when should I start EV training? Any specific level? I plan on breeding all my Pokemon with the exception of Lanturn and training them as babies. In this scenario, when should I start EV training for them? Excuse me for this long explanation but this has troubled me for quite some time but I would really appreciate if anyone could help me out here.

As you mentioned, you gain EVs whenever you gain experience fin battles. Also keep in mind that all fresh Pokemon that haven't battled yet start out with 0 EVs. Therefore, lv. 1, right after they hatch, is the best time to start EV training since they haven't gained any EVs yet. If you don't want to immediately start for some reason, you could always just leave them in the Day Care for a while, but you might risk losing some Egg Moves in the process.

PlatinumLegacY April 11th, 2009 11:57 PM

Can somebody help my mixed wall umbreon?

Umbreon @ leftover
Nature : Bold
Ev : 252 hp / 136 def / 116 SpD
Ability : Sychronize

-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Baton Pass
-Wish

I'm not really sure about my ev's or my moves so can you guys please help me thx

ABYAY April 12th, 2009 1:13 AM

The moveset is a standard set, so nothing really needs to be changed there. Going Careful with 252HP/96sp.def/164 speed is acceptable (speed allows it to outpace certain threats, trap them, and pass with little trouble)

Umbreon lives much more on the special department, so pumping that is better.

Veristical Blaze April 12th, 2009 1:35 AM

Edited The Team for you:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterGod (Post 4526297)
Can I have some help on my Diamond Team?

Empoleon @ Leftovers: EV's: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant
Swords Dance
Aqua Jet
Drill Peck
Earthquake/Avalanche

Machamp @ Leftovers: EV's: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Spe
Ability: No Guard
Adamant [+Atk, -Sp. Atk]
Bulk Up
Dynamic Punch
Ice Punch Your Ground Covered
Payback/Thunderpunch Your preference

Lucario @ Life Orb : EV's: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Inner Focus
Adamant/Jolly
Swords Dance
Close Combat
ExtremeSpeed
Stone Edge/Ice Punch/Crunch

Okay, so this is what I have so far. I have a weakness to Ground here so I'm maybe wanting a Grass Pokemon, perhaps Roserade?NO ROSERADE: GRASS/POISON <---- GROUND WEAKNESS Any suggestions are welcome. Abomasnow is a good poke for this ground cover Ice+gras typing and a nice movepool and strenghtness I'd also like some help on the other slots in my team that I need to fill. What types do I need? Which Pokemon? Thanks very much.

~WaterGod

EDIT: I just realised I need a Psychic or Ghost. I suggest a Bronzong, Nice wall and Levitate As Ability :P

I might use Mr. Mime, he can learn a lot of cool moves:

Mr. Mime @ ?:
Modest [+Sp. Atk, -Atk]
Psychic
Grass Knot/Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Thunder/Thunderbolt

Alakazam has a way higher Special Attack, so possibly this instead:

Alakazam @ ?:
Modest [+Sp. Atk, -Atk]
Psychic
Grass Knot/Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Shock Wave?

However, if we're speaking in terms of Ground counters, because I need one, then surely a Gengar:

Gengar @ ?:
Modest [+Sp. Atl, -Atk]
Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Dark Pulse
Thunder/Thunderbolt

Personally, I;d rather use a Gengar than Staraptor.

Sorry this is such a long post.

Are you happy with this reply? any help further needed ask me or go to Smogon.com

Pokedra April 12th, 2009 2:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumLegacY (Post 4530512)
Can somebody help my mixed wall umbreon?

Umbreon @ leftover
Nature : Bold
Ev : 252 hp / 136 def / 116 SpD
Ability : Sychronize

-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Baton Pass
-Wish

I'm not really sure about my ev's or my moves so can you guys please help me thx

You could use this set =/

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Nature : Careful
Ev : 252 HP/164 Def/96 SpD
Ability : Synchronize

-Payback
-Toxic
-Taunt/Protect
-Wish

Standard support Umberon with Speed EV's moved into defence because you wanted a mixed wall :)

Archer April 12th, 2009 4:00 AM

Sorry Hazzamon, this thread's only for competitive advice. In-game teams don't really belong here.

And WaterGod, you're better off running Timid on Mr. Mime, Alakazam and Gengar as they are fragile and really need to outspeed whatever they can.

Dark Azelf April 12th, 2009 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapras1016 (Post 4529944)
I thought Serebii said Rotom can't be used there? :\

Lol Serebii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awesomo (Post 4529656)
Hey whats going on with the new event coming about and all im getting pretty excited about possibly integrating a Rotom into my party. Im kinda curious to see what kinda rotom sets there are running around. If some1 can please post up some of the popular sets with the EV spreads

Rotom-W

Rotom-F

Rotm-C

Rotom-H

Rotom-S

Original Rotom

SilverCrown April 12th, 2009 6:28 AM

Would it be possible to get a good moveset and some EV's for a Exploud and a Lanturn please? :) Thanks!

ethanftw April 12th, 2009 7:41 AM

Ok i just recently (in the past few months) started learning more about EV's and breeding, etc and i've been getting into competitive play
What i wanted to ask is i have a (incomplete) team that i wanted to ask whether it was good or not for competitive play. Also if anyone knows any pokemon/moves that would further completement my team. Any comments or suggestions are welcome :D

Fortress (Defensive Wall) [Leftovers]
252 Ev HP
252 EV Def
6 EV Atk
Moveset: Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Explosion
Rapid Spin

Fortress is pretty self-explanatory. I'm thinking of leading off with him and throwing up stealth rock first thing. Then depending on the pokemon I can either switch or try to do some damage with earthquake. I'll try to keep him alive though so that I can rapid spin and get rid of any stealth rock/spikes I get thrown on me. Explosion could be used when appropriate.

Charizard (Special Sweeper) [Leftovers]
252 Ev SAtk
252 Ev Spd
6 Ev HP
Moveset: Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast
Air Slash
Flamethrower

Charizard is also pretty self-explanatory. Basically just kill with Flamethrowers/Air Slash since they're both special moves and i get STAB bonuses from them. Dragon Pulse is to kill any dragon types and is just a pretty handy back up. And Focus Blast is to get rid of any pesky rock types since I'm 400% weak, and also for normal type tanks like Snorlax and Blissey.

Scyther (Physical Sweeper) [Focus Sash]
252 Ev Atk
252 Ev Spd
6 Ev HP
Moveset: Swords Dance
Aerial Ace
X-Scissor
Substitue (I'm thinking of changing this one, got any suggestions?)

Scyther is just a common physical sweeper. My original plan was to start off with substitue to prevent any status effects my opponet could throw at me first turn and to ensure I get atleast 1 swords dance. BUT, my line of thinking is starting to change so I'm thinking of replacing that move. Basically, just swords dance it up (have the sash to protect me and ensure i get atleast 1 SD) and then sweep through with aerial ace/ xscissor.

Lapras (Special Sweeper)
252 EV HP
252 EV Satk
6 EV Speed
Moveset: Ice Beam
Surf
Body Slam
Confuse Ray

Lapras is pretty cool. He's going to have over 450 HP so he can DEFIENTLY take a hit, and his defenses aren't lacking. Basically just confuse the enemy first turn and then judging by the type either kill with ice beam or surf. Body slam is just there for the paralyze when needed. Pretty straightforward.

This is all I ave so far, like I said I'm pretty new to this so helpful suggestions and etc would be apprecriated. If you know any moves or pokemon or items or anything really that could help me please feel free to voice your opinion :D
Thanks

Octavius April 12th, 2009 7:48 AM

Here's a moveset I came up with:

Flame Orb/Toxic Orb Noctowl:


Nature: Calm
Ability: Insomnia
Item: Flame Orb/Toxic Orb
EVs: HP 252 SpD 252 Spe 6
Protect
Psycho Shift
Night Shade
Reflect / Roost


Strategy: Protect on the first turn and await the Orb to activate. Then use Psycho Shift to give the status problem to the opponent. Night Shade is there for basic damage. In the fourth slot, I recommend either Reflect or Roost. Reflect can be used to cripple physical attackers even further, while roost work better against special attackers. This set has a little problem against normal types, but just set up barrier and give them status problems before you switch out.

Please tell me what you all think.

ethanftw April 12th, 2009 7:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverCrown (Post 4531241)
Would it be possible to get a good moveset and some EV's for a Exploud and a Lanturn please? :) Thanks!

I'd say for lanturn (special sweeper) [Leftovers]
Calm, Volt Absorb Ability
40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 Sp.D / 80 Def
Moveset: Surf
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave

Basically just rush in there with a T-wave and hope for a few parahax. Surf and Thunderbolt you get STAB bonuses from so you can sweep through lots of pokemon with just those two moves. Ice Beam can sweep through about the rest of them, the only pokemon that cant really be hit by lanturn with this moveset is shedinja.

Cons: lanturn has poor speed

For Exploud (physical sweeper) [Leftovers/Choice Specs]
252 Ev ATk
252 Ev Spd
6 Ev HP
Moveset: Hyper Voice
Shadow Ball
Focus Punch
Surf

Basically you just sweep through with Hyper Voice since you get a STAB bonus from it. Exploud is actually a pretty powerful pokemon. Steel can be countered with Focus Punch, Rocks can be beat with surf (or some type of physical water move) and shadow ball can take on ghosts. Pretty standard normal type sweeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Octavius (Post 4531507)
Here's a moveset I came up with:

Flame Orb/Toxic Orb Noctowl:


Nature: Calm
Ability: Insomnia
Item: Flame Orb/Toxic Orb
EVs: HP 252 SpD 252 Spe 6
Protect
Psycho Shift
Night Shade
Reflect / Roost


Strategy: Protect on the first turn and await the Orb to activate. Then use Psycho Shift to give the status problem to the opponent. Night Shade is there for basic damage. In the fourth slot, I recommend either Reflect or Roost. Reflect can be used to cripple physical attackers even further, while roost work better against special attackers. This set has a little problem against normal types, but just set up barrier and give them status problems before you switch out.

Please tell me what you all think.

This is a great Noctowl set but i think there might be just a few problems. Normal poison isn't that great, so unless your keeping noctowl in for a long time i'd say go flame orb. So basically what i would do was just protect and then roost when protect fails as many times as possible. Wait for flame orb to activate and then psycho shift. Only thing is this noctowl seems to be more of a status inflicter, so why have night shade at all? I'd say take it out and get barrier AND roost, then just switch out after his job is complete.

Forever Forum April 12th, 2009 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jigglyppuff8 (Post 4530327)
As you mentioned, you gain EVs whenever you gain experience fin battles. Also keep in mind that all fresh Pokemon that haven't battled yet start out with 0 EVs. Therefore, lv. 1, right after they hatch, is the best time to start EV training since they haven't gained any EVs yet. If you don't want to immediately start for some reason, you could always just leave them in the Day Care for a while, but you might risk losing some Egg Moves in the process.

Thanxs jigglypuff.

Now what I must ask here is, how do I go about of training my newly hatched Pokemon since at lv.1 they pose hardly no threat to EV distributors I need to fight? Can I use exp. share and then defeat whatever Pokemon I need with someone stronger, then my lv 1 Pokemon will gain the EV?

Azonic April 12th, 2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sUrfiNg_pIkacHu (Post 4532218)
Thanxs jigglypuff.

Now what I must ask here is, how do I go about of training my newly hatched Pokemon since at lv.1 they pose hardly no threat to EV distributors I need to fight? Can I use exp. share and then defeat whatever Pokemon I need with someone stronger, then my lv 1 Pokemon will gain the EV?

Yes you can. To avoid any further confusion, the both the Pokemon in battle and the Pokemon holding the EXP.SHARE will receive full points (meaning they are not split between the two).

SmashBrony April 12th, 2009 10:40 AM

What are the leading pokemons I need to wacth out for
in OU?
To the surfing Pikadude:
Yep, Exp.share will get your pokemon Exp.points.
But what I usually do is to give my Lv.1 pokemon
a item that boosts the EV amount that it gets,
& carry a LOT of pokedolls in case I don't run into
the pokemon that gives the EVs I want.
When I do run into the pokemon that gives the
EVs I want, I swicth my Lv.1 to a stronger pokemon
that can KO the wild pokemon. This reduce the time
I have to send EV training.

Dark Azelf April 12th, 2009 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistermagius (Post 4532261)
What are the leading pokemons I need to wacth out for
in OU?

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1852701&postcount=3

This is helpful in that regard.

Forever Forum April 12th, 2009 10:46 AM

You seriously do not know how much you guys have helped me, I appreciate that a lot. I do not mean to persist here, but just to get things straight, this is what I would do in preparation for EV Training:

1. I have my LV. 1 Pokemon as my "go-to" guy to battle.
2. Equip LV. 1 Pokemon with Macho Brace to double EVs if I'm correct.
3. Switch LV. 1 Pokemon with a stronger one to KO the EV Pokemon.

Correct? I'm too broke to buy stat boosters so I will just do without them.

SmashBrony April 12th, 2009 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4532281)

Sweet! I was just thinking about using Metagross
as my lead, & guess what?
It's ranked as Lead no.1!
Thanks, Dark_Azelf!

ABYAY April 12th, 2009 11:12 AM

To Surfing Pikachu (Not intending to put the caps in right places for a reason >_>)

That is pretty much what you have to do. However, I strongly prefer the use of the Power Bracer/band/anklet/whatever else there is much more. They give 4 extra EVs to a certain stat, depending on what the power item is designed to give.

Also, if you ever get the Pokerus, then you're in a lot of luck since it doubles the EVs you acquire.

Let's take a look: You fight a Gyarados, which gives 2 attack EVs. If you have the Power Bracer attached as well (gives +4 attack EVs per battle), and you destroy said Gyarados, you're getting 2+4 = 6 x 2 = 12 EVs per fight...that's a lot when considering the slow rate of EV training.

Note: If this is for R/S/E by chance, then disregard what I've said above.

Forever Forum April 12th, 2009 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 4532428)
To Surfing Pikachu (Not intending to put the caps in right places for a reason >_>)

That is pretty much what you have to do. However, I strongly prefer the use of the Power Bracer/band/anklet/whatever else there is much more. They give 4 extra EVs to a certain stat, depending on what the power item is designed to give.

Also, if you ever get the Pokerus, then you're in a lot of luck since it doubles the EVs you acquire.

Let's take a look: You fight a Gyarados, which gives 2 attack EVs. If you have the Power Bracer attached as well (gives +4 attack EVs per battle), and you destroy said Gyarados, you're getting 2+4 = 6 x 2 = 12 EVs per fight...that's a lot when considering the slow rate of EV training.

Note: If this is for R/S/E by chance, then disregard what I've said above.

Its for Platinum. The best I can do now is Macho Brace.

Just to make sure, Macho Brace doubles EV corrects? So I plan to EV train my Magby for Special Attack. I plan to go to the Resort Area as there is a pool which gives Golducks who then give 2 EV's for Special Attack. So with Macho Brace I will be getting 4 EV's per battle, giving me one full stat for Magby's Special Attack in the long run.

So 252 EV's per max stat...4 EV's per battle...252/4=63 Golducks I have to defeat for Magby's Sp. Attack to be maxed?

Was my calculations right?

SilverCrown April 12th, 2009 12:08 PM

Awesome, thanks Ethan! Will start training for those now.

d2m April 12th, 2009 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverCrown (Post 4532721)
Awesome, thanks Ethan! Will start training for those now.

You could use shoddy to test it out...Also a few things:

The Exploud spread he gave is better with Overheat than Focus Punch for steels, and every single move there is a SPECIAL move so 252 atk evs do nothing. Put them in Special attack.

You shouldn't be switching Noctowl in to something that could 2HKO it so protect really isn't necessary. Night Shade, however, is because not having it makes him insanely taunt weak and not able to fulfill his special wall role. Replace Protect with Reflect or Whirlwind to make him better.

Haz April 12th, 2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4530891)
Sorry Hazzamon, this thread's only for competitive advice. In-game teams don't really belong here.

And WaterGod, you're better off running Timid on Mr. Mime, Alakazam and Gengar as they are fragile and really need to outspeed whatever they can.

Oops sorry, I'll delete my post then.

jigglyppuff8 April 12th, 2009 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sUrfiNg_pIkacHu (Post 4532463)
Its for Platinum. The best I can do now is Macho Brace.

Just to make sure, Macho Brace doubles EV corrects? So I plan to EV train my Magby for Special Attack. I plan to go to the Resort Area as there is a pool which gives Golducks who then give 2 EV's for Special Attack. So with Macho Brace I will be getting 4 EV's per battle, giving me one full stat for Magby's Special Attack in the long run.

So 252 EV's per max stat...4 EV's per battle...252/4=63 Golducks I have to defeat for Magby's Sp. Attack to be maxed?

Was my calculations right?

Spoiler:
Technically, 255 is the max amount for EVs in a stat, but 252 is the recommended since there won't be any wasted EVs afterwards. This part of the post was entirely trivial for trivia purposes only


Well, your calculations are half-right. Beating 63 Golducks (who give 2 EVs in sp. atk) while holding the Macho Brace and having Pokerus would actually give you 504 EVs in sp. atk, way beyond the limit. If you said Psyduck (who gives 1 EV in sp. atk), you would be right with the calculation. On the other hand, if you were to beat 31 Golducks with the Macho Brace and another one without it, you'd have 252 EVs.

Still, 63/32 Pokemon is a lot of Pokemon to be KOing. I suggest beat the Battle Tower a few times so that you have enough BP to get the 6 Power Items. These give 4 extra EVs in a stat specified by the item. The Power Lens, for example, give 4 extra EVs in sp. atk. Beating a Bidoof (1 HP EV) while holding this would yield 1 HP EV and 4 sp. atk EVs (with Pokerus: 2 HP EVs, 8 Sp. atk EVs). Beating a Psyduck with this would yield 5 sp. atk EVs (with Pokerus: 10 sp. atk EVs). With Pokerus and the Power item, you'd only have to KO 25 Psyduck while holding it and 1 without it to get 252 EVs (10 x 25 = 250 + 2 = 252).

As for your money woes, by the Backlot Mansion (Route 212) there is a Gentleman and a Sociallette who use a Chatot and Roselia respectively, relatively easy Pokemon to beat. When you've beat them enough times in Vs. Seeker rematches, they'll each start giving you more than http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/9/94/Pok%C3%A9buck_sign.gif10000. With the amulet coin, they'll give more than http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/9/94/Pok%C3%A9buck_sign.gif20000. This is a useful thing to do in with the battles it takes to spread Pokerus to other Pokemon. After a few rounds, you should be able to afford enough Vitamins (HP Up, Protein, etc). Note that each one gives 10 EVs and that you can only use them up to 10 times in a stat, so that means 100 free EVs in a stat.

Was this helpful or just much more information than you wanted?

PlatinumLegacY April 12th, 2009 2:04 PM

Quote:

You could use this set =/

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Nature : Careful
Ev : 252 HP/164 Def/96 SpD
Ability : Synchronize

-Payback
-Toxic
-Taunt/Protect
-Wish

Standard support Umberon with Speed EV's moved into defence because you wanted a mixed wall :)

ok i havent trained it yet so i will make those changes..thx

Barney. April 12th, 2009 2:56 PM

Could someone help me with a shaymin counter that could fit in on a stall UU team?

Aurafire April 12th, 2009 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korova. (Post 4533404)
Could someone help me with a shaymin counter that could fit in on a stall UU team?

Regice and Registeel could work as checks, they resist Seed Flare and won't have their special defense lowered because of clear body. Both could maybe work well with stall, but idk, that's just one idea =P

luke April 12th, 2009 4:00 PM

There's always the Roserade Set with Calm / Maxed HP / Maxed Special Defense. Air Slash doesn't 2HKO and you can murder it with Sludge Bomb.


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