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Demo123 March 15th, 2009 8:59 PM

Here you go.
These are the tiers.
http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/

SkyPioneer March 15th, 2009 9:26 PM

It seems like noone has justified the tiers. In actual fact, there are three tiers, four if you count BL (BorderLine) but right now, BL has been merged with UU. So you can use BL pokemon in a UU game.

Anyway. Tiers.
Uber: These are pokemon with absurdly high stats and are too powerful for the regular metagame. This is because these pokemon would be too overcentralizing: meaning that at least every team would have to have a counter for this pokemon to be effective because it is such a great threat.
OU: Over used, regular game play tier. Nothing special here, but pokemon in OU are too much for UU.
UU: The reason why pokemon are in UU could be for different reasons. They could be outclassed. That means that another pokemon might be able to do it's job better, and hence, it is under used. Another reason could be simply because its movepool and stats are not enough to make it a viable threat in the UU environment.
Any kind of pokemon may be used in Uber.

Now. I'd just like to know this: which scene is more "competitive", Wifi battling on the DS or Shoddy on the PC? I really think it's shoddy, but I want some opinions here.

SkyPioneer March 15th, 2009 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pika_Longlegs (Post 4439450)
Who does magic carp evolve into? :)

ಠ_ಠ
Pathetic troll is quite pathetic.
But incase that's a serious question, Gyarados. Also, reported for a poor troll.
0/10

Awesomo March 16th, 2009 6:36 AM

Im thinking about getting back into it with platinum coming out and all. Here is my question. WIll the stone edge of a aerodactyl with neutral attack nature max attack EV's max IV's kill a salamence after stealth rock damage. Im just worried that after intimidate that the mence will be left with some small amount and ill get owned

Dark Azelf March 16th, 2009 6:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awesomo (Post 4439945)
Im thinking about getting back into it with platinum coming out and all. Here is my question. WIll the stone edge of a aerodactyl with neutral attack nature max attack EV's max IV's kill a salamence after stealth rock damage. Im just worried that after intimidate that the mence will be left with some small amount and ill get owned

-1 Jolly Aero's Stone Edge on 80 HP / 0 DEF Salamence:- 65.53% - 77.21%

And with a Choice Band, -1 Jolly Aero's Stone Edge on 80 HP / 0 DEF Salamence does 97% minimum, so yes.

Awesomo March 16th, 2009 6:55 AM

im trying to avoid choice banding my aero. Even with max Ev's in attack and a life orb ur saying it wont kill the mence after the SR?

Dark Azelf March 16th, 2009 6:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awesomo (Post 4439965)
im trying to avoid choice banding my aero. Even with max Ev's in attack and a life orb ur saying it wont kill the mence after the SR?

With a LO : -

Damage: 85.19% - 100.28%

So yep it dies after SR definately.

Awesomo March 16th, 2009 6:59 AM

sweet thank you very much. i was wondering is there a website you use to calculate those damages?

Dark Azelf March 16th, 2009 7:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awesomo (Post 4439970)
sweet thank you very much. i was wondering is there a website you use to calculate those damages?

http://www.metalkid.info/pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/DamageDP.aspx

That one ^

http://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html

Or that one ^

^_^

gibsonguy24 March 16th, 2009 1:42 PM

What do you guys think I should add for my future platinum team?

Gengar @ Leftovers
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe [MILD +SpA, -Def]
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
-Sludge Bomb
-Dream Eater


Glaceon @ Leftovers
200 HP / 252 SpA / 56 Spe [MODEST +SpA, -Atk]
-Blizzard
-Wish
-Fake Tears
-Hail


Gallade @ Focus Sash
100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe[ADAMENT +Atk, -SpA]
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Psycho Cut
-Earthquake


Garchomp @ Haban Berry

4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe [HASTY +Spe, -Def]
-Earthquake
-Dragon Pulse
-Outrage
-Flamethrower


What do you guys think I should add/change to my future team?
All suggestions appreciated :)
Thanks!

Azonic March 16th, 2009 2:49 PM

For starters, Garchomp is Uber. Gengar should be specially attacking. And Glaceon / Gallade are outclassed.

gibsonguy24 March 16th, 2009 2:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherii (Post 4441179)
For starters, Garchomp is Uber. Gengar should be specially attacking. And Glaceon / Gallade are outclassed.

what do you mean by glaceon/gallade being outclassed?

The Hero Without a Name March 16th, 2009 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibsonguy24 (Post 4441194)
what do you mean by glaceon/gallade being outclassed?

They're good, but there are things in OU (assuming you know what OU even is) that can do what they do much better.

gibsonguy24 March 16th, 2009 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiroi Togekiss (Post 4441285)
They're good, but there are things in OU (assuming you know what OU even is) that can do what they do much better.

what would you suggest? i'm open for all suggestions :)

Eleventyseventy March 16th, 2009 3:42 PM

There's nothing wrong with Glaceon and Gallade, but change them if you're willing to use anything to win. >_>

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibsonguy24 (Post 4440911)
What do you guys think I should add for my future platinum team?

Gengar @ Life Orb
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe [MILD +SpA, -Def]
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast



Glaceon @ Leftovers
200 HP / 252 SpA / 56 Spe [MODEST +SpA, -Atk]
-Ice Beam
-Wish
-Fake Tears
-HP Fighting


Gallade @ Focus Sash
100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe[ADAMENT +Atk, -SpA]
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Psycho Cut
-Ice Punch



Garchomp


What do you guys think I should add/change to my future team?
All suggestions appreciated :)
Thanks!

Try that.

gibsonguy24 March 16th, 2009 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleventyseventy (Post 4441343)
Try that.

so you would completely get rid of Garchomp all together? What would you suggest I do to fill the open holes in the team?
and thanks for hte suggestion :)

Dark Azelf March 16th, 2009 3:46 PM

64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe On Gallade to beat jolly tar.

Timid Nature on Gengar, it needs that speed. Hasty can be used if you want too, in which case Explosion can go >> Hypnosis and you go 40 att / 216 sp.att / 252 speed. This ensures you OHKO Blissey and snorlax with boom.

But yeah, what the above poster said.

Eleventyseventy March 16th, 2009 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibsonguy24 (Post 4441346)
so you would completely get rid of Garchomp all together? What would you suggest I do to fill the open holes in the team?
and thanks for hte suggestion :)

As Cherii said, Garchomp is Uber and banned from OU play.

You'll have to figure out who you want for your last three slots.
A physical wall of some sort would be a start, as well as something that can lay down Spikes/SR and something that can spin them away.
A staller is always nice too.

gibsonguy24 March 16th, 2009 4:21 PM


Gengar @ Life Orb
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe [MILD +SpA, -Def]
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
-Sludge Bomb
-Dream Eater


Glaceon @ Leftovers
200 HP / 252 SpA / 56 Spe [MODEST +SpA, -Atk]
-Ice Beam
-Wish
-Fake Tears
-Hail


Gallade @ Focus Sash
100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe[ADAMENT +Atk, -SpA]
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Psycho Cut
-Earthquake


Cloyster @ Leftovers
200 HP / 56 Def / 252 SpD [BOLD +Def, -Atk]
-Spikes
-Toxic Spikes
-Explosion
-Surf



How does that look so far?

Azonic March 16th, 2009 4:29 PM

All of your Pokemon are like, extinct from the OU metagame. ._.; Except Gengar, which is an endangered species and is currently being hunted down by Steve Irwin.

Take a look at the Threats to an OU Metagame. Those are a list of some of the most fearsome Pokemon used in the OU Metagame today. Recommended Pokemon are Salamence, a brutal force in the metagame with a hard hitting Outrage and high speed to outrun it, Zapdos / Rotom-h, both fast and very diversified Pokemon in their movesets, Scizor, an abusive bug Pokemon that takes advantage of Swords Dance, high attack, and priority moves, etc.

Eleventyseventy March 16th, 2009 5:16 PM

Don't listen to Cherii (however, a Salamence could do your team a favour), Cloyster's an awesome choice of Pokemon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibsonguy24 (Post 4441451)
Cloyster @ Leftovers
200 HP / 56 Def / 252 SpD [BOLD +Def, -Atk]
-Spikes/Rapid Spin
-Toxic Spikes/Rapid Spin
-Explosion
-Ice Beam

Setting up both Spikes and Toxic Spikes is a neat idea, but Cloyster also makes a decent spinner, so there's always the option to replace a set of spikes for RS.

Also.. you're not using any of the suggestions we gave you for the other three pokemon?

luke March 16th, 2009 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleventyseventy (Post 4441596)
Don't listen to Cherii (however, a Salamence could do your team a favour), Cloyster's an awesome choice of Pokemon.



Setting up both Spikes and Toxic Spikes is a neat idea, but Cloyster also makes a decent spinner, so there's always the option to replace a set of spikes for RS.

Also.. you're not using any of the suggestions we gave you for the other three pokemon?

We don't allow comments like "just go with your heart" and "your favorites are all you need." That is not a competitively viable strategy. If you want to use a favorite Pokemon of your's, it's usually good to limit to one and centering the rest of the team around it to ensure it's survival and success. This means using proven, competitive Pokemon around it.

Cloyster is Stealth Rock weak, vulnerable to Toxic Spikes, and Spikes. It's a terrible Rapid Spinner. It's really only viable in UU. Try to limit your SR weak Pokemon to only two on your team. As Cherii suggested, read the stickies and learn more about the OU metagame. If you'd rather use your underpowered favorites, try out the UU metagame. Even there, some of your favorites may not be viable.

Eleventyseventy March 16th, 2009 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Get Out of My Honey Pot, Ursaring! (Post 4441699)
We don't allow comments like "just go with your heart" and "your favorites are all you need."

.___. Lol.. when did I say that?
I was only rating the Pokemon he wanted rated.

gibsonguy24 March 16th, 2009 6:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleventyseventy (Post 4441596)
Don't listen to Cherii (however, a Salamence could do your team a favour), Cloyster's an awesome choice of Pokemon.



Setting up both Spikes and Toxic Spikes is a neat idea, but Cloyster also makes a decent spinner, so there's always the option to replace a set of spikes for RS.

Also.. you're not using any of the suggestions we gave you for the other three pokemon?

I'm using most of them :)

d2m March 16th, 2009 7:58 PM

So I wanted to make a gimmicky yet still usable team based around Sandstorm, but I have a feeling I'm doing it wrong...here's what I have so far:

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Impish
6 HP
252 Def
252 Spec Def

Stealth Rock
Crunch
Slack Off
Earthquake

Comments: Starter for SR and an all around tank.
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Sand Veil
Adamant
106 HP
152 Attack
252 Def

Aerial Ace
Ice Fang
Roost
U-turn

Comments: Scouter and anti-fighting. Bright Powder + Sand Veil = lots of evasion and Aerial Ace and Ice fang let him do damage while U-Turn is handy for a quick escape and damage against Psychics.

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Naive
6 HP
252 Attack
252 Speed

Sucker Punch
Substitute
Leech Seed
Seed Bomb

Comments: I've been rocked by this build before (although I'm not sure on the EVs), Brightpowder and Sand Veil help it avoid damage enough to set up even if it's outspeeded, once it does it can sweep fairly well.

Empoleon
Unsure of my setup.

I really do need a water type on the team, and with the Steel type making it resistant against the Sandstorm, this one fits the bill, however I'm unsure on how to build it. Right now I have it with Brick Break, Ice Beam, and 252 Def EVs but nothing else. It's going to be my anti-dragon sweeper and brick breaker, but I'm kind of unsure on how to finish him up.

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Calm
252 HP
252 Spec Def
6 Def

Rapid Spin
Light Screen
Reflect (?)
Explode

Commentary: My special sponge and rapid spinner...I like light screen as it covers most of my other guys having lax special defense, but I'm considering replacing Reflect with another offensive move so I don't get out-stalled, but I'm not really sure what...another Earthquake isn't really what I need.

My last slot is up in the air, I'm thinking Tyranitar for the 2nd Sand Stream and the sweeper factor, but I'm unsure which build to give him. Considering I'm Gyarados weak, I also considered Magnezone, but again unsure how to build him.

I'm still pretty new to this team building thing, especially with the EVs, so thanks in advance for the help.


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