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Pokedra April 5th, 2009 9:13 PM

1% Offense - 99% TOO MANY RMTS
 
Introduction
Here is one my new teams I recently made, of course its not perfect and I'll need help. It focuses on total offense with barely any defence.

At a Glance
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The Team in Depth
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/glaceon.png
[email protected] Choice Specs
EV : 252 HP | 252 Special Attack | 4 Speed
Nature : Modest(-Atk, +SpAtk)
Ability : Snow Cloak

~Ice Beam
~Shadow Ball
~Hidden Power Electric
~Water Pulse

A total beast with Specs equipped, she possesses the same firepower as SpecsLatios. Even things that resist Ice Beam take massive amounts of amount so it's usually my main attack. Shadow Ball hits Ghosts and Psychic-types. Water Pulse is pretty weak but it ensures that Glaceon isn't walled by Fire-types. Hidden Power Electric takes care of those pesky-Water types who try to wall this set.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/scyther.png
[email protected] Life Orb
EV : 252 Attack | 4 Defence | 252 Speed
Nature : Jolly(-SpAtk, +Spe)
Ability : Technician

~Swords Dance
~X-Scissor
~Aerial Ace
~Brick Break

Scyther is a powerhouse and is easily one of the best physical threats in OU. Due to Technician, Aerial Ace is 120 power so it's a wonderful STAB attack for beating up Bug/Fighting/Grass-types. X-Scissor is another great attack that takes care of Psychic-types. Brick Break is to hurt those Steel and Rock-types which he wouldn't be able to damage.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/XenJiaki/arcanine-1.png
[email protected] Life Orb
EV : 178 Attack | 132 Special Attack | 188 Speed
Nature : Naive(-SpD, +Spe)
Ability : Flash Fire

~Flare Blitz
~Overheat
~Hidden Power Electric
~Extremespeed

A excellent mixed sweeper, I moved some EV's from Attack to Special Attack to give Overheat more power. Flare Blitz recoil and LO recoil eat up his HP fast but he does alot of damage in the process. HP Electric hits Water-types for nice damage while Extremespeed can be used to pick off weakened Pokemon. He absorbs Fire-attack directed at Roserade, Scyther and Glaceon.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/sandslash.png
[email protected] Leftovers
EV : 252 HP | 176 Attack | 80 Defence
Nature : Adamant(+Atk, -SpAtk)
Ability : Sand Veil

~Swords Dance
~Rapid Spin
~Earthquake
~Night Slash

A Pokemon I always wanted to try, he spins away the rocks which hurt Scyther, Glaceon and Arcanine as well as using SD and pounding Pokemon with STAB Earthquake and Night Slash is for the floating Ghosts.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/roserade.png
[email protected] Choice Scarf
EV : 4 HP | 252 Special Attack | 252 Speed
Nature : Modest(-Atk, +SpAtk)
Ability : Natural Cure

~Sleep Powder
~Leaf Storm
~Hidden Power Fire
~Sludge Bomb

Roserade provides fast sleep and I also use her as a revenge-killer. Leaf Storm is incredibly powerful and hurts anything that doesn't resist it. Hidden Power Fire ensures Steel-types don't wall this set and Sludge Bomb provides a powerful attack that doesn't lower her special attack.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/quagsire.png
[email protected] Leftovers
EV : 252 HP | 96 Attack | 160 Defence
Nature : Impish(-SpAtk, +Def)
Ability : Water Absorb

~Waterfall
~Ice Punch
~Toxic
~Protect

I couldn't go total offense, I needed to have something sturdy that stopped rain dance teams and could also take physical hits pretty well and Quagsire came to mind. Stone Edge/Waterfall provides decent coverage and Yawn/Toxic works pretty well as it racks up damage and gives me some Lefties recovery. He also absorbs Water-attacks aimed at Sandslash and Arcanine.

Conclusion
I'll need plenty of help with team as there proabaly will be many Pokemon that can 6-0 it so help me :)

Watch out for that jet Metang! April 6th, 2009 12:52 AM

I'm not to knowlegable about UU but I think your team runs into trouble against Weezing, so watch out.

Pokedra April 6th, 2009 12:56 AM

Specs Ice Beam is more then enough to finish him so is Arcanine's Overheat.

If worst comes to worst, +2 Scyther 2HKO's him with Aerial Ace :)

Dark Azelf April 6th, 2009 1:08 AM

Encore is better than protect on Quagsire imo and like wise with ice punch >> stone edge so you can actually hit incoming grass types.

Sub + SD Cacturne is actually a real problem for you lol.

Ill come back later for a better rate, but i cant stop now since im pushed short on time.

SkyPioneer April 6th, 2009 2:29 AM

A full offense team with rapid spin? Not full offense, then.
It'd take you roughly two turns to spin those rocks, provided Slash isn't already in play, which means they have two turns to hurt Slash.
Something to note.

d2m April 6th, 2009 2:40 AM

SD Drapion and NP Houndoom hurt this team, but I can't think of anything else off the top of my head...pretty darn decent :)

Pokedra April 6th, 2009 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPioneer (Post 4508163)
A full offense team with rapid spin? Not full offense, then.
It'd take you roughly two turns to spin those rocks, provided Slash isn't already in play, which means they have two turns to hurt Slash.
Something to note.

Unfortunaently I need the spin support else it hurts three of my sweepers. I 'd usually bring him in after someone faints so he can spin and run :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2m (Post 4508181)
SD Drapion and NP Houndoom hurt this team, but I can't think of anything else off the top of my head...pretty darn decent :)

Thanks and no they don't really, Roserade can shut them down with Sleep Powder and Scyther outspeeds Houndoom and OHKO's with X-Scissor. SD Drapion is pretty dangerous but Sandslash can survive a hit from it and hit back hard wit Earthquake. If that doesn't KO Arcanine can Extremespeed to pick him off :)

And D_A yeah Ice Punch is a better option over Stone Edge but I'll keep Protect for the Lefties recovery and Toxic stalling.

anubite April 6th, 2009 3:50 AM

Ah pardon me if I'm saying something noobish, but doesn't technician raise attacks less than or equal to 60 power by 1.5? That would make aerial ace at 90 power, not 120 (which would be if technician raises power by 2.0).

Shen April 6th, 2009 4:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anubite (Post 4508306)
Ah pardon me if I'm saying something noobish, but doesn't technician raise attacks less than or equal to 60 power by 1.5? That would make aerial ace at 90 power, not 120 (which would be if technician raises power by 2.0).

STAB.

If Altaria gets in a DD on the switch, it OHKOs Glaceon with Stealth Rock in play. Then what?

Dark Azelf April 6th, 2009 4:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shen (Post 4508369)
STAB.

If Altaria gets in a DD on the switch, it OHKOs Glaceon with Stealth Rock in play. Then what?

Quagsire can take a hit from it i guess and smack it with Ice Punch ?

Although in theory Mix Altaria (the ones with Draco/Outrage/Fire Blast/Roost) actually really hurt and you dont have a steel type to absorb draco's and outrages so meh. It also has a pretty easy time switching into Roserade, Sandslash and Arcanine too because of its natural bulk.

You are also bird weak. Swellow really really hurts you badly, not even sandslash and quagsire can take a hit from that thing, guts facade and brave bird destroy everything which means you have to sacrifice a team member to revenge kill it. I mean you dont even have Stealth Rock so it can switch in quite easily too. Honchkrow fits this category too (I dont even know why Honchkrow is UU because if people actually used it more they would see its incredibly broken but w/e lol)

So yeah tl;dr more steel type and more SR. Registeel might work and it also covers that nasty sub mind mismagius weak.

Encore is way better than protect btw, i have used Quagsire on many of my teams and can tell you now its a fantastic move that stops it being set up fodder and it also stops things like SD Absol from dominating you. Oh and its great for giving your sweepers a free switch in and stops baton pass chains. ^.^

Still Sub + Salac Cacturne weak 1/10, start over and pick Torchic.

Shen April 6th, 2009 6:29 AM

Ice Punch is only a guarenteed OHKO on Altaria with Stealth Rock, which he doesn't have. If hax isn't on his side and he rolls a low, Altaria 2HKOs. Furthermore, there is a good chance Quagsire would have been damaged before hand and so would be OHKO'd anyway. Not that that is a strong argument.
I was gonna mention Honchkrow but honestly, I thought he was OU >.<

Dark Azelf April 6th, 2009 7:41 AM

You're also Yanmega weak now because the new tier list is out. =o

So yah the steel type is even more obligatory.

Ŧøry vs. M£A†¥³ April 6th, 2009 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4508656)
You're also Yanmega weak now because the new tier list is out. =o

So yah the steel type is even more obligatory.

Did they really add Yanmega to the UU tier now?

Dark Azelf April 6th, 2009 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ŧøry (Post 4509306)
Did they really add Yanmega to the UU tier now?

Yes, go check smogons tier list and this.

Lets keep this on topic now, dont want to clutter up Pokedra's thread. So dont reply unless it has importance to the team.

Shen April 6th, 2009 2:24 PM

How Yanmega weak is he? With Stone Edge on Quagsire he should be fine, but then he's royally screwed by Altaria.

Pokedra April 6th, 2009 3:31 PM

As I said, if Altraia gets a DD in, I'll shut him down with sleep.

Swellow is a threat...I'll do some testing and see what happens :D

Ŧøry vs. M£A†¥³ April 6th, 2009 3:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokedra (Post 4510174)
As I said, if Altraia gets a DD in, I'll shut him down with sleep.

Swellow is a threat...I'll do some testing and see what happens :D

Your team is already good enough to shut down a Dragon Dance Altaria anyway. As said before, the only major problem with this team as we can see is Houndoom. A Nasty Plot Houndoom hurts this more then Choice Specs Houndoom.

Pokedra April 6th, 2009 4:10 PM

How does NPDoom hurt me when i can outspeed and kill it with Scyther?!!!

If that doesn't work I'll kill it with Extremespeed from Arcanine.
If that doesn't work I'll sleep it with Roserade.
If that doesn't work I'll Sludge Bomb it.

Sorry ^__^ i felt like ranting :)

Ŧøry vs. M£A†¥³ April 6th, 2009 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokedra (Post 4510340)
How does NPDoom hurt me when i can outspeed and kill it with Scyther?!!!

If that doesn't work I'll kill it with Extremespeed from Arcanine.
If that doesn't work I'll sleep it with Roserade.
If that doesn't work I'll Sludge Bomb it.

Sorry ^__^ i felt like ranting :)

Your Arcanine can also stop Yanmega with Extemespeed. But it will be a risk switching Arcanine against Yanmega since most Yanmegas carry Hypnosis. You are on a luck there since Hypnosis accuarcy droped when Platinum came out.

Dark Azelf April 6th, 2009 4:37 PM

Yanmega 2hko's Quagsire and the rest of he team cannot switch into it.

Extremespeed actually does pitiful damage to yanmega it doesnt even 2hko.

Ŧøry vs. M£A†¥³ April 6th, 2009 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4510447)
Yanmega 2hko's Quagsire and the rest of he team cannot switch into it.

Extremespeed actually does pitiful damage to yanmega it doesnt even 2hko.

It will only 3HKO Yanmega? This team may need Registeel instead of Quagsire or something.
EDIT: Rest+Sleep Talk Regirock could be useful instead of Quagsire as well.

Pokedra April 6th, 2009 6:06 PM

I don't like Registeel to be honest, i've used him and he doesn't suit this team. Yanmega is a threat and I might put SR on Sandslash but as of the moment I still need to test this team =/

Shen April 7th, 2009 5:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokedra (Post 4510174)
As I said, if Altraia gets a DD in, I'll shut him down with sleep.

Swellow is a threat...I'll do some testing and see what happens :D

They switch out, something else absorbs the Sleep, switch back in Altaria, DD, death.
You need Stealth Rock on your team.

Samson April 7th, 2009 12:16 PM

haha i run the same Glaceon set. it's a beast. one suggestion, however. drop water pulse for yawn. it's a lot more handy than water pulse as STAB Specs Ice Beam does more damage anyway. mine actually has hp fight for probobass/bastiodon, the latter gaining popularity for some reason... stupid stall ._.

i'd try something a little different on scyther. i'd drop x-scissor for sub and instead of life orb give it salac. this way, you can shield it from priority and scarfers. after switching in on Srock, it only takes a sub with 12 HP investment to activate the salac berry. i mean, honestly, scyther obviously isn't fit for switching in and out. giving it a bit of assurance against prepared counters will give you more opportunities for a sweep.

only other thing i can suggest is dropping waterfall on quag for earthquake. quag hits other waters harder and has better coverage w/ both eq and ip anyway.

but yeah, cacturne would give this team trouble lol. sandslash is very cool but having two defensive tanks with grass weaks is going to hurt you. rapid spin is so overrated =/

Pokedra April 7th, 2009 2:19 PM

HP electric is useful for all the Water-types running around.
Dropping X-Scissor on Scyther leaves him at the mercy of Psychic-types.
I'll consider dropping Waterfall for EQ
Thnks for the rate :D

Samson April 8th, 2009 1:40 PM

aerial ace does hard damage on it's own. what psychic do you know outspeeds scyther and sets reflect or has a very strong defensive stat in UU? your only concern would be rock polish Solrock. luckily, i am the only person who will probably ever try it lol, who gets nuetral from brick break anyway (and who might end up using explosion). scarf psychics are probably going to trick/paralyze/burn you, which is what sub is super handy for. focus sashers w/ reflect (if these exist) will just result in you brick breaking them to death and breaking the barrier.

the only psychic who is a relative threat to scizor is scarf Xatu (which i've never seen/used) and aerial ace does more damage to it than X-Scissor anyway.

so yeah, i really don't see any added benefit of X-Scissor as opposed to sub.

Pokedra April 8th, 2009 6:11 PM

I should've taken your advice of EQ over Waterfall Samson.

X-Scissor have a few benefits and I like running Smogon's set, it just works for me though I am keen to try your SubSalac Scyther maybe on another team 8D


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