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PokéMartin April 13th, 2009 4:46 AM

Sex Change Azurill
 
So, to my shock, when my Azurill evolved to Marill, it went from female to male. I Google'd this and apparently it isn't uncommon

Has this happened to anyone else? Or with any other Pokemon?

Also, if a Pokemon can change sex when it evolves, can it also become Shiny?

Just some thoughts...

Gymnotide April 13th, 2009 4:52 AM

That is because Azurill has a 75% chance of being female, whereas Marill only has 50%. Since gender is determined by a hidden value assigned to your Pokemon during birth or encounter, that value will stay the same no matter how many times the Pokemon evolves, levels up, faints, is fed Energy Roots for fun, is put in the daycare, sent over Pal Park, etc.

What this ultimately means is that of the 75% of female Azurill, two-thirds (50% of all Azurill) will stay female when evolving, while one-third (25% of all Azurill) will change to male. You will never have male-to-female changes.

Chaostorm April 13th, 2009 4:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PokéMartin (Post 4535552)
So, to my shock, when my Azurill evolved to Marill, it went from female to male. I Google'd this and apparently it isn't uncommon. Ummm Glitch? its Actually Impossible....

Has this happened to anyone else? Or with any other Pokemon? No Way

Also, if a Pokemon can change sex when it evolves No it Cant be , can it also become Shiny? NOO WAAY!!

Just some thoughts...

Comments in Bold

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BlueEew April 13th, 2009 9:50 AM

I got this from Bulbapedia:

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# Azurill is also the first and currently only Pokémon whose gender ratio (75% ♀ / 25% ♂) is different than that of its evolved forms (50% ♀ / 50% ♂). This causes 1 in 3 female Azurill to evolve into male Marill. It is unknown if this is a programming error, or a reference to real-world animals that can in fact change gender.
Seeing that there are videos of the Advance Generation games of this happening. I am sure it is meant to happen. If it was a Glitch they would of corrected it for D/P/P.

Gymnotide April 13th, 2009 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueEew (Post 4536103)
I got this from Bulbapedia:



Seeing that there are videos of the Advance Generation games of this happening. I am sure it is meant to happen. If it was a Glitch they would of corrected it for D/P/P.

They could not change it because then when transferring a Marill over from R/S/E, the value that determines gender for it will contradict. Say, with 50% male-female ratio, 1-50 yields a female and 51-100 yields a male. With Azurill, that would be 1-75 yields a female and 76-100 yields a male. Transferring a 64-Marill (M) from R/S/E would potentially yield a 64-Marill (F) in D/P. The other option is to change the gender ratio of Azurill to match that of Marill's - when transferring over a 52-Azurill (F), it will turn into a 52-Azurill (M).

PokéMartin April 14th, 2009 4:13 AM

An interesting note is that although Azurill changed from female to male during evolution, when I changed now-male Marill's nickname... the small sex symbol in the corner of the nickname screen was still female. What do you make of that then?

Wichu April 14th, 2009 8:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PokéMartin (Post 4538867)
An interesting note is that although Azurill changed from female to male during evolution, when I changed now-male Marill's nickname... the small sex symbol in the corner of the nickname screen was still female. What do you make of that then?

Hmm... There are actually two values which store a Pokémon's gender. The PID is the one that causes the glitch, as the game compares the last byte of that to the Pokémon's gender rate. However, there's also a gender flag, which is either 0 or 1. I guess that this doesn't change to match its new gender when Azurill evolves.

This would suggest that the nickname screen uses the gender flag to determine gender, while the summary uses the PID.

TheDarkShadow April 14th, 2009 8:48 AM

omg really? I didnt know pokemon could do sex change. Is this a glitch?

Nnoitra Jiruga April 14th, 2009 5:31 PM

0.o
Sorry...but this never happened to me, so I can't give any good advice : /

Kudra April 14th, 2009 5:36 PM

This is the first I've heard of this, but it seems like a plausible oversight by nintendo. I've noticed that gender ratio before. I may experiment with this if I get a chance and post the results.

Suzumiya Haruhi April 15th, 2009 12:36 AM

The real question is, what are you going to do with all those dresses you bought it for when it grows up?

PokéMartin April 15th, 2009 2:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Suzumiya Haruhi (Post 4542341)
The real question is, what are you going to do with all those dresses you bought it for when it grows up?

Hahaha
He can still wear them...

Incase you wondered, I nicknamed it 'Ladyboy'

Azonic April 15th, 2009 6:50 AM

Damn, I wish I could do that.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ April 15th, 2009 7:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PokéMartin (Post 4542564)
Hahaha
He can still wear them...

Incase you wondered, I nicknamed it 'Ladyboy'


but what about all of the ridicule it will go through during its years in school :P


:t354:TG

Jjovers April 15th, 2009 7:54 AM

it happend to me once, i was so confused xD

Percy Thrillington April 15th, 2009 7:57 AM

I bet it was just a programming error. There's no way the people making the game could've possibly thought something like this could be regarded as an easter egg.

Volkner's Apprentice April 15th, 2009 3:14 PM

It's kind of interesting, though, if they wanted to, they could expand on this and perhaps put it in the Pokédex as a weird genetic thing. It'd give the Marill chain something a little unique...although weird. XD

Desolation101 April 15th, 2009 6:51 PM

facinating, although I always wondered why, also azurill is the only pokemon that loses its type on evolution completly changing to a new type

Gymnotide April 15th, 2009 6:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Desolation101 (Post 4545597)
facinating, although I always wondered why, also azurill is the only pokemon that loses its type on evolution completly changing to a new type

Let's not rule out Eevee.

Mattysaurus April 15th, 2009 7:40 PM

Actually, I have heard of this....
It's kind of funny to me because the Azurill-Family looks kind girly anyway....

MetalMario April 16th, 2009 12:48 AM

Lol, I'm surprised that this still happens on D/P. Since no mammals in reality change gender, I find this really odd, and it looks like a mistake caused by the way gender values are handled.

The fix would have been extremely easy: Pick a new PV for Azurill upon evolution which conserves gender, Nature, and shininess. I guess that means it's intentional, or at least it is now. :P


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