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What is the best dragon or steel pokemon?
Well i would say dragonite, metagross, or salamance, because they are on my team, but what do you guys think?
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'Mence and 'gross. Excellent Pokemon... pity salamence is so hard to obtain.
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I would say it's Salamence and Metagross. Aggron is also a choice but I prefer Metagross over him.
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Metagross for sure.
Dragon... I'd say Flygon or Salamence. |
In third generation, Metagross and Salamence. Always.
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Metagross and Salamence...I always have them on my team...
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Aggron/Metagross and Flygon/Salamence
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salamence! i never really liked metagross...
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I think 'Gross is one of the better Pokemon.
'Mance is the best dragon in this generation in my opinion. |
It has to be either Salamance/Metagross or Flygon/Aggron. <3
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Flygon and Aggron aren't contenders for strongest steel or dragon. It's in the OU Tier in the Advanced Generation, but is it the best? Well, let me evaluate. I say that Salamence outclasses Flygon in this tier. Both are very good dragon Pokemon, but Salamence is overall better. Flygon's Stats: Salamence's Stats: Salamence hits extremely hard with a 135 (most of the time boosted) Attack stat. If it gets in 2 Dragon Dances or so, it's gonna take a lot to stop it. Flygon can't pull this off as well with a smaller attack stat and being a bit more fragile and vulnerable. Flygon's Weaknesses: x4 Ice, x2 Dragon a g g r o n I'll stand by my opinion that Metagross is far superior to Aggron in terms of power and strength. There is a reason why Metagross is in OU and Aggron is in UU. I'll get us started by taking a peek at their statistics first. Aggron's Stats: Metagross, on the other hand, has an impressive 135 attack stat, with especially durable defenses (both physically and specially) too. What a great combination! A balance in offense and defense make up to a great tank Pokemon. It has an interesting movepool with Explosion, Pursuit, etc. Okay, onto weaknesses / resistances: Aggron's Weaknesses: x4 Fighting, x4 Ground, x2 Water Metagross has a much better typing over all. Two common weaknesses, only two, doesn't hinder it that much. At least it's not a damaging x4 weakness like Aggron. Metagross's high attack stat allows it to deal damage, while it's defense stats and the number of resistances allow it to take hits very well. It's a strong and durable tank for the OU environment. So overall, Salamence and Metagross win it for the strongest Dragon / Steel type in the Advanced Generation. Rayquaza wins the prize for toughest dragon if we include ubers. |
There is no question that Rayquaza is the best Dragon-type. Not even close.
Best Steel-type goes to Skarmory. Not as offensive as Metagross, but has a much better typing and is much stronger defensively. |
Personally, I think Metagross is definitely the best steel type and Dragonite whips salamance any day.
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I personally love steelix. I am not to knowledgable about stats, but I think its defense is just killer.
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Metagross/ and well since shanecdavis pulls another good point as always salamence is no match against the uber and most powerful dragon rayquaza.
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where's the love for the original? You're hugging something so unreliable..
MOST PEOPLE HAVE THEIR DRAGONITES WITH ICEBEAM!! including me.. Dragonite ;D shut the **** up about Rayquee, it's a legendary! |
oh come on even a dragonite with ice beam cant kill a rayquaza just because of speed rayquaza is unbeatable of course he is a legendary but zacch2 never mentioned what was limited which shanecdavis realised and of course rayquaza. No offense to anyone but a dragonite would lose in a battle between rayquaza.
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Salamence would mop the floor with Rayquaza.. Outspeeding can be a nasty thing. But yes, of course Dragonite's Ice Beam [1st usage] wouldn't kill Rayquaza, only reason is because Dragonite is a physical Pokemon, and Ice Beam is a special move. Dragonite is bulkier than Rayquaza, so chances are it could survive an attack thrown at it on the first turn, then wipe out Rayquaza with a single Dragon Claw. I don't have a damage calculator, so I can't tell you precisely if it would go just like that.. but it would definitely be similar. Edit ; Calculated it. Turns out if Rayquaza ends up using a move like Dragon Claw and it doesn't hit a critical Dragonite will survive it. Then if you put a move such as Outrage on Dragonite and use it, Rayquaza will faint, even without a critical. But I do admit if Rayquaza does Outrage as well before Dragonite, there is no doubt in my mind Dragonite would faint. So this argument between whichever dragon is better is pretty much even sided. |
I think Dragonite would beat Raquaza, seeing that Raquaza is fast, but cant hit as hard as Dragonite.
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you are right it is all about which is faster but i was leaning a little more torwards rayquaza using ice beam as well because of the type (dragon/flying) double-damage. I never liked dragon type moves but loved how they were so diverse with movesets.
Dragonite's Sp.Atk-328 max with beneficial nature Spd-284 with benficial nature Rayquaza's Sp.Atk-359 max with a hindering nature Spd-289 with a neutral nature As it is seen here a dragonite cannot beat a rayquaza the only way possible is IF rayquaza's ice beam misses highly unlikely. It's ok I'm not saying that I dont like dragonite in fact i hate rayquaza but he can be dragonite hands down and i accept that. |
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Used the damage calculator with the stats you stated above. Dragonite would still survive with 6 hp, as long as there is no critical, and Dragonite's health is maxed.. [The health being maxed on Dragonite is extremely likely]. So then if Dragonite used Outrage Rayquaza would faint, even with maxed health.. -shrug- Oh, and Outrage is physical. So Sp. Def would do it no good in a face off. |
ok i was justed adding some stats in there by the way where did you get the damage calculator id like to be able to use one so i wont be wrong again but what about an icebeam because nobody would take a rayquaza with a hindered sp.atk which is higher when neutral.
Try these stats because i dont have a damage calc. Dragonite/spd-decrease sp.def-increase hp/atk/def/sp.atk/sp.def/spd 386/367/289/299/328/233 Rayquaza/sp.def-decrease sp.atk-increase 414/399/279/438/251/289 this is the stats all neutral except 2 for each i just want to know what an ice beam from a rayquaza with maxed sp.atk would do against a dragonite with maxed sp.def |
Dragonite ; Neutral Sp. Def 236 and 386 HP
Rayquaza ; Beneficial Sp. Atk 438. Rayquaza would definitely one hit KO Dragonite. But why get a Beneficial nature in Sp. Atk for Ray in the first place? The best thing about Rayquaza is Dragon Dance.. So if you were to think of the majority of Rayquazas [Physical], up against the majority of Dragonites [Also Physical], Dragonite would win. Hindering nature is actually lower than Neutral nature.. |
this is so obvious to me lolz....
Salamance and Metagross... as they are both on my team... they rule the can take down 2-3 pokemon.... once my metagross took out 5 pokemon by itself... if u give it the right EV's to both metagross and salamance they can KO most pokemon hands down... no doubt about it. |
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