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Yams June 3rd, 2009 7:58 PM

I ahve an answer for the Miltank problem. The grass eaten by the Miltanks is enhanced by the moves of other Pokemon, such as Sunny Day, Water Gun, and other moves that can help maintain healthy plants. Pokemon like Meganium can revive dead plants with their breath, so Miltank farms are not your everyday farms. They use a wide variety of Pokemon to keep the farm in tip-top shape. This is why there are not many Miltank farms in the Pokemon world, because of the cost needed to maintain it, though the profit made from moomoo milk can normally keep the farm running.

There is my answer, though there are probably some holes in it, I will try to defend it.

Can someone explain to me the whole thing about Energy taking up more space than Mass, because I dont know of the topic, but I may be able to think of an answer if I knew more.

And a question: How do normal pokemon (besides ones like Dargonair and Bronzong) use weather changing moves, like Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Sandstorm, and Hail?

Inkfingers June 3rd, 2009 8:50 PM

Excellent Yams. I love it how you haven't answered in a while and you come back with this amazing answer.

The whole deal with energy is an explanation of how pokemon fit in a poke ball. Energy conversion(transferred into pure energy) I said they are converted into energy and are restored into a smaller version of the pokemon in the ball, so it wiull fit in the pokemon containment area(peice of technology that stores pokemon in poke ball). Then nieteio said that energy takes up more space than mass. I then said that there was a theory of pokemon being transferreed into data, rather than energy. Then there was athis big argument about it. Another problem of energy conversion is the fact that energy is calculated at an intense level of heat(really really hot) and I said: The apricorn's structe had to do with it. It can withstand the heat. So now there is this big thing on wether they're transferred into data or energy. I like energy better, because I think it makes more sense, but that's just me.

Plus, how does a pokemon be transferred into data? I mean facts in a textbook is data, but that doesn't mean it's transferreed like energy is does it? I don't really get the concept of data transferring but apparently, it makes sense.

Neko Keeshi June 3rd, 2009 8:52 PM

I didn't read each of the 10 pages of this thread, but I had a question;


If an Alakazam has as much mental power as stated in past entries, wouldn't the technology in the world be 100000 times more advanced then it is in the show? And shouldn't they have taken over by now? I mean, that much intelligence is pretty amazing.

Inkfingers June 3rd, 2009 8:53 PM

This is an extremely hard question. Honestly the hardest question(pokemon related) that I've ever come across. My guess? they somehow can control water. The direction it moves in, and what form it takes. The also control wind somehow

Congratulations Yams. You are the first to finally stump the pokemon guru. But that doesn't mean I giive up.

Feign June 3rd, 2009 8:57 PM

Well you could still go as general as saying that Pokemon could have taken over the world, as they had the power to do so. Yet it would seem they perhaps ignored the human evolution, or however the premise works in Pokemon.

But it may just go back to religion or Pokemon religious creationism... Sure none of this has really been mentioned, but its the only thing we can really go on.

Perhaps Arceus(?) created humans after Pokemon, and humans just excelled in making technology?

Or you could also argue that an Alakazam may be so smart, that it doesn't need to build the technology etc (Buddhism). Basically that it is at peace.

Hope I shed some light anyway.

Inkfingers June 3rd, 2009 8:58 PM

Good question

Alakazam weren;t always like this. They weren't very smart at first, but humans taught them to be smarter and smarter. They have very high respect for humans. They love their "creator"." They wouldn't be this smart withoiut humans. It's now in their nature. To be respectful to those who have helped them. So none of them have rebeled. Why? the world of pokemon is an almost perfect world(think of it, the only real trouble is fighting and the teams who want to ruin it), so they see no need to take over. They want to help make a better world.

Yams June 3rd, 2009 8:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Neko Keeshi (Post 4712542)
I didn't read each of the 10 pages of this thread, but I had a question;


If an Alakazam has as much mental power as stated in past entries, wouldn't the technology in the world be 100000 times more advanced then it is in the show? And shouldn't they have taken over by now? I mean, that much intelligence is pretty amazing.

Well Alakazams probably know that the consequences of revealing their knowledge would not be good ones, it could be that it just doesnt feel that it would be right to reveal the knowledge it knows.

Inkfingers June 3rd, 2009 9:01 PM

Actually Arceus was never recorded to create humans. Just pokemon. So you know. And according to my theory of how we know Arceus created pokemon, he/she communicated with a bilingual pokemon(also spoke english) and he told them all that Arceus told him. (It was an Alakazam)

Feign June 3rd, 2009 9:02 PM

Oooooo or or, perhaps it was because of human intervention, that they are able to evolve from Kadabra to Alakazam, hence the trading in the game. I forget what is done in the show though.

btw, do the human psychics say they know the future, and or get it right? (in reference to the anime anyway)

Inkfingers June 3rd, 2009 9:05 PM

I'm srry I don't quite understand, could you reword the quesiton please?

Feign June 3rd, 2009 9:07 PM

Can humans, in the anime that have psychic powers, see the future?

I know of at least one episode with psychics, and that is the marshbadge one, in like the first season. I can't seem to recall the use of psychics in any other episode though.

Yams June 3rd, 2009 9:09 PM

Another thing is that a lot of pokedex entries could be just exagerations to make them seem cooler. Of course Alakazam has extremely high Intelligence, but it being almost "Over [5]000!" is a little high. Like the Machamp being able to do 1000 Punches in two seconds, they add little tidbits that arent fact, but may have been from a myth of pokemon. Like how in an article on a Cheetah, it would give facts but may give a small excerpt from a myth or fable about how it got its spots or something along those lines. Does that makes sense?

Feign June 3rd, 2009 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Yams (Post 4712578)
Another thing is that a lot of pokedex entries could be just exagerations to make them seem cooler. Of course Alakazam has extremely high Intelligence, but it being almost "Over [5]000!" is a little high. Like the Machamp being able to do 1000 Punches in two seconds, they add little tidbits that arent fact, but may have been from a myth of pokemon. Like how in an article on a Cheetah, it would give facts but may give a small excerpt from a myth or fable about how it got its spots or something along those lines. Does that makes sense?

THere was an episode where Ash and co visited the Pokedex guy, he was a bit crazy, and senile if I remember, and they did discuss exaggerations in the pokedex, didn't they? It was the episode where they found out how Slowpoke evolves into Slowbro.

Lol I remember how Ash's first Pokedex, basically called him stupid.

Inkfingers June 3rd, 2009 9:20 PM

Are you talking about Sabrina? That's possoble because of the relationship wioth her pokemon. Kadabra(or Alakazam I can't remember) taught her that power, because they were such amazing friends. So yes, it is possible.

The first season was the best. I don't care what anyone else says.

Feign June 3rd, 2009 9:30 PM

O, he taught it to her? Cause in the games at least, psychics seem abundant.

I was asking, because this brings the idea of fate in. The psychics in the game forsaw an outcome, but never really went into detail. Perhaps that is them, just boasting nothing? (their sprites show them using telekinesis anyway).

Very weird...

Yams June 3rd, 2009 9:38 PM

Psychics in the game have manifested the ability to use a small amount of telekinesis from the energy that their psychic pokemon give off. It is not really enough to do anything besides showing off a trick or two though. The premonitions are just boasting when by normal psychics. People like Sabrina actually have that talent however.

I Laugh at your Misfortune! June 4th, 2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkfingers (Post 4712537)
Plus, how does a pokemon be transferred into data? I mean facts in a textbook is data, but that doesn't mean it's transferreed like energy is does it? I don't really get the concept of data transferring but apparently, it makes sense.

The idea is that in a split second, the Pokeball completely scans the pokemon, recording every possible bit of data about it. The Pokemon is then INCINERATED. When it is 'called out', the data is used to create a perfect clone, even rebuilding the brain so perfectly that the pokemon retains all of its memories.

Inkfingers June 4th, 2009 1:18 PM

Then you wouldn't be getting the same pokemon. That's impossible, the ball would then carry two pokemon, which is impossible for it to do. Right? I mean with energy, it's the same pokemon. If the data thing is true, then the trainer would have "caught" like ten of the same type of bulbasaur.

That would basically be like, killing one pokemon and forming another that's exactly same.

Feign June 4th, 2009 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkfingers (Post 4714610)
Then you wouldn't be getting the same pokemon. That's impossible, the ball would then carry two pokemon, which is impossible for it to do. Right? I mean with energy, it's the same pokemon. If the data thing is true, then the trainer would have "caught" like ten of the same type of bulbasaur.

That would basically be like, killing one pokemon and forming another that's exactly same.

Actually, interesting this is mentioned, because with today's findings of teleportation, the way Green explained it is essentially the same. Like that the person is destroyed while a copy is made on the other end. Even Star Trek could have this argument of abiguity.

Åzurε June 4th, 2009 4:41 PM

Pretty much. IMO, it's about the same thing:the pokemon is recorded, destroyed, recalled and reformed exactly the same as when you caught it. If you wanted, you could add another aspect, the soul, which remains in and around the pokeball in which it was caught because it's existance is not truly gone (that or there was an agreement of some kind concerning Apricorns). I think I like this 'ball theory.

As for the human-supremacy thing, I'd say that pokemon, while sentient, generally don't have the imagination required for modern technology and buildings. The farthest regular pokemon get are the Guild in Mystery Dungeon. Humans have something pokemon want, orginality, creative power: Pokemon provide a sort of power source or something to work off of.

dream's-epilogue June 4th, 2009 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 4715362)
Pretty much. IMO, it's about the same thing:the pokemon is recorded, destroyed, recalled and reformed exactly the same as when you caught it. If you wanted, you could add another aspect, the soul, which remains in and around the pokeball in which it was caught because it's existance is not truly gone (that or there was an agreement of some kind concerning Apricorns). I think I like this 'ball theory.

As for the human-supremacy thing, I'd say that Pokémon, while sentient, generally don't have the imagination required for modern technology and buildings. The farthest regular Pokémon get are the Guild in Mystery Dungeon. Humans have something Pokémon want, originality, creative power: Pokémon provide a sort of power source or something to work off of.

MD is meant to represent what the world would like like sans Humans. It never actually says where in time that era is, however; it could easily be more primitive times. It's entirely possible that, given time, the Pokémon world could grow to match the human one, or even surpass it; after all, most Pokémon possess powers humans can't even dream of having.

When you go to the future, it's pretty much a time-frozen ruin.

Explorers of the Sky is going to be extended, I think, so maybe we'll get a chance to see what the Pokémon-only world looks like in the future...

Inkfingers June 4th, 2009 5:37 PM

Also a clone can't be made without a female host for the egg to be artificially fertilized. So the data theory is impossible. And hoow does energy take up more space than matter, if I may ask. Please explain.

Second Coming of Jebus June 6th, 2009 12:00 AM

Okai, I has a question. How the hell does Geodude work? It's a living chunk of rock that floats around and it's not psychic nor does it have any psychic powers. Explain pleassums.

Mr. Tabachi June 6th, 2009 12:03 AM

i no how goedode works u put goedod in daycar wth other geodde or any other pkmn tghat is ugly and it make geodud wurk. Se, is easy to unnerstandd?

The Scientist June 6th, 2009 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by [F I L Ocakes] (Post 4719715)
Okai, I has a question. How the hell does Geodude work? It's a living chunk of rock that floats around and it's not psychic nor does it have any psychic powers. Explain pleassums.

Ground-types, having domain over the Earth (referenced by their ability to use moves like Earth Power and Magnitude through sheer willpower), are gifted with gravity-related abilities as well. By negating the effect of gravity on its body, it just... floats there. By shifting its balance, it can control where it drifts, and there are even situations where Geodude doesn't float at all.

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Originally Posted by Screw the rules, I have green hair! (Post 4714517)
The idea is that in a split second, the Pokeball completely scans the pokemon, recording every possible bit of data about it. The Pokemon is then INCINERATED. When it is 'called out', the data is used to create a perfect clone, even rebuilding the brain so perfectly that the pokemon retains all of its memories.

Exactly. The only correction I have to offer here is that sentience isn't stored in the brain, so merely recreating it wouldn't restore the Pokemon's "soul" (the recreated Pokemon would be vegetative). Based on evidence in both the games and anime (inb4 ShinjisLover), the Pokemon world does have the technology necessary to digitize sentience and turn it into a form of AI coding.

For the convenience of the people who don't want to dig through pages of Guru-babble, I'll repost the original digitization post.

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Originally Posted by Neiteio (Post 4640896)
...I've been working on how a PokeBall can do what it does, and I'm thinking that it disintergrates (!) the target and keeps both its consciousness and genotype in the PokeBall shell. The genotype is stored permanently, which is why two Pokemon cannot be caught in the same PokeBall, and inanimate objects (like riceballs) don't get disintergrated....

Anyway, upon being summoned, the PokeBall re-intergrates the Pokemon using the genetic data as a blueprint, then transfers the consciousness into the body.



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