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Tacogeddon April 24th, 2009 5:35 PM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Bombardier Beetle in all of this, they mix reactant chemicals into a stream of near-boiling liquid that deals death to other tiny critters.

dc_united April 24th, 2009 5:39 PM

I've got a question-

Apricorn. Apparently, in the good ol' days of salad and glory, you used to capture Pokemon using a fruit used in baby foods. You've already explained pokeballs, but how could Apricorns give off enough energy to transport pokemon, unless they were dangerously radioactive?

Inkfingers April 24th, 2009 7:13 PM

Very good question, but actually, the apricorn is not what gives off the energy. The apricorn is used as a base for the pokeball. Like something is made out of metal or plastic, the pokeball is made from a apricorn shell, and the technology to do all tthe things it does, like transferring pokemon into energy, iss added. kinda like a cell phone, the tecnology is inside, but it has a plastic cover, hiding all that technology.

Åzurε April 24th, 2009 7:47 PM

Dude, I missed out on some good questions. Stupid lawnmower...

Anyhow. Ya'know inkfinger (I really dislike commenting stuff like this), I don't think you gave a satisfactory answer above there.you explained pokeballs somewhat, as a given technology, but not how apricorns could contain pokeball-type technology in the first place...
I think perhaps there could be a certain chemical/element somewhere inside said nut- probably on the inside layer of the shell- which had a tendency to transmute matter to energy, and vice versa, when disturbed, such as by impact or pressure. As another point of the same discussion, I believe there was something about having to modify the apricorn slightly, such as by hollowing out the inside, hence the placing of the material. so, the Apricorn would have the ability to contain the pokemon inside, and the age and quality of the nut, plus the skill of the craftsman doing the hollowing and other alterations, would define how effective the Apricorns were at capturing them. Modern pokeball makers would have manufactured the containment material in different quantities and types, and made them possible to activate with the press of a button.

I forgot the return function! :O

Perhaps the composition of the Apricorn would hold information somehow? like a genetic outline of sorts. Pokeballs might replicate this through the use of a small computer between the inner and outer shells.

The computers between the Pokeballs, PC box, and Trainer profile on the PokeDex, would make it possible to teleport pokeballs to the PC box after the Trainer already has registered 6 pokemon for their party. (which means anyone allowed to use Pokedex-upgrading devices could hack themselves the abilities to carry more than 6 pokeballs at a time! >:D)

Gymnotide April 24th, 2009 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkfingers (Post 4578242)
Gymno I'm really sorry for that thing about you being wrong and all. but listen. I'll prove you wrong. W/ The sacs, let me expand. If you were touch your pallete and go back, not far enough to touch your uvula, but near or in front of it, you would notice a softer area. For fire pokemon, that is where the sac is on the top. Now before you correct me on how you need that softer area that is in the back, not in the throat, but moreso near it. Fire pokemon do not have tonsles, leaving room for that area. The lower area is not there though, you got me there.
The bodies do not produce flint or pyrite, they find and store it. The sacs have a lining on the inside, preventing any harm to the body. They do not consume the minerals, they use and grind them. The grainy material is burned through the fire, actually strengthening it. And yes, they do go and find more flint and iron pyrite when they run out. The pokemon rids of any harmful material by simply just washing & spitting it back out just as a human dumps waste products. Also the mineral sacs do not lead to the brain or any other part of the body. It is a thin flap with just enough room to store the minerals, meaning it is closed off.
Okay I didn't think of the hydrogen build up. So sue me. But the pokemon releases oxygen, nitrogen,argon,and carbon dioxidea.k.a. airand a pretty big amount. You did get me on that one.
Let me change the saliva thing. That was my first thought(I've thought about fire breathing before) and that was my first guess, but here's what really happens. It's simple, the pokemon opens its mouth wide enough so that a slender jet of fire exerts from the mouth and grows.
There you go man.


I don't know much about muk and potions so ya but that slug idea is really good

Gymno said it all on that one. Late on typing

Just woke up, so I'll just keep this short and sweet.
  • The palatine uvula would be the worst place to put it since that is where the space between the nasal passage and the mouth cavity is the thinnest. There is not possibly enough room back there.
  • "Finding and storing" is exactly what I meant by consume.
  • Grinding the material would only degrade it. Burning the materials would also do the same thing; burning the material in no way strengthens it.
  • If they are thin, then they would be more prone to damage -- the surfaces of the gland are closer to each other than if they were larger, and therefore more prone to damage from the stony substances found within when releasing.
  • Nitrogen is unflammable, otherwise when you light a match in midair, the entire environment would go ablaze -- our air is mainly composed of diatomic nitrogen. Argon is highly unflammable, having a very low boiling point and low heat conductivity. In fact, it is the stuff used in fire extinguishers. The same does for carbon dioxide. If it is air, the only vital part is the oxygen gas.
  • Oh yeah, it's definitely not hydrogen. I forgot the fact that diatomic hydrogen is impossible to make with the body. You will end up with H+ ions instead of the required hydrogen atoms. The H+ would then rupture every membrane it touches lol. And then, the hydrogen gas, if it does form by some manner of impossibility, is small enough to diffuse out of the body.
  • Grinding powder with the teeth can't possibly make a fire every time.
  • The pyrite would also heat up and sear whatever it touches. The flint would just decompose into chalky black ash.
  • If the body shoots a thin jet, they will need to breathe out really hard. That would put out the fire and expel the grains of material.

Wyyrlokk April 24th, 2009 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gymnotide (Post 4578174)
They can convert Poke Balls into energy, like Poke Balls do to Pokemon.
They store them in their fingertips within a mechanical device.

Well... lol. xD

If we are at that point already, how could you carry a bike, some rods, hundreds of potions, balls, stones and other items in such a little backpack or handbag? I think it´s the same way like that female warriors in a fantasy game - they wear nothing more than boots and steel bras, although it seems to be stupid to wear... well, nearly nothing while facing a mob of orks/a dragon/ some evil henchmen. But it looks good, so they programmed it that way. Not very logical, but again the "make it easy"-decision of Nintendo probably.

Well, in Galactic´s case, they maybe just forget to draw the belt here. For no obvious reason, because it wouldn´t look bad. The Rockets have one, too.
But, as we know, the Galactic henchmen always loose their Pokemon if the´ve lost a fight, so maybe this two had to give back their Pokemon and therefore don´t need a belt actually. xD

Gymnotide April 25th, 2009 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4579282)
Well... lol. xD

If we are at that point already, how could you carry a bike, some rods, hundreds of potions, balls, stones and other items in such a little backpack or handbag? I think it´s the same way like that female warriors in a fantasy game - they wear nothing more than boots and steel bras, although it seems to be stupid to wear... well, nearly nothing while facing a mob of orks/a dragon/ some evil henchmen. But it looks good, so they programmed it that way. Not very logical, but again the "make it easy"-decision of Nintendo probably.

Well, in Galactic´s case, they maybe just forget to draw the belt here. For no obvious reason, because it wouldn´t look bad. The Rockets have one, too.
But, as we know, the Galactic henchmen always loose their Pokemon if the´ve lost a fight, so maybe this two had to give back their Pokemon and therefore don´t need a belt actually. xD

lol, we convert the Bikes, Rods, Repels, TM 26, Black Flute, Cleanse Tag, Iron Ball, Black Sludge, HM 04, Cheri Berry, Heal Ball, etc. into energy and store it within the backpack, which is secretly a Poke Ball-like device.

Oh yeah. Forgot that a lot of the Grunts don't have Pikmin.

Wyyrlokk April 25th, 2009 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gymnotide (Post 4579292)
lol, we convert the Bikes, Rods, Repels, TM 26, Black Flute, Cleanse Tag, Iron Ball, Black Sludge, HM 04, Cheri Berry, Heal Ball, etc. into energy and store it within the backpack, which is secretly a Poke Ball-like device.

Oh yeah. Forgot that a lot of the Grunts don't have Pikmin.


That doesn´t sound very logical to me. xD Besides, in the PokeSpec it seems to be that the characters don´t have such a magical backpack (but they carry also not that many stuff with them...). Ok. I guess I have to make my own decision here, to see it as a rpg-player would see it - there are no weight-limits, so you have to make your own and limit your inventory by your own. xD

In fact, that problem exist in many games. You carry thousands of items with you, although this is nearly impossible.
When you play a game where your character only can carry a limited weight, you are really annoyed sometimes by reality, after playing games with such a "magical backpack" - for example "S.T.A.L.K.E.R." - only 50 kg, which means you really have to decide what you want to take with you. A medikit? Another gun? Some more ammunition? Some food? That´s quite cool and makes the game harder than a game like Pokemon where you allowed to carry everything you want to. In that way, the first games (RBY) were closer to reality - you could only carry 20 different items in your backpack.

Inkfingers April 25th, 2009 12:55 PM

All the items fold and unfold for more room, like some stock on guns. The bike, the frame fols and the tires's rubber outside comes off. the spokes fold. Also, many items are smaller, therefore, there's more room in the bag. Gymno, why don't you say we just drop the fire breathing crap. I just wanna move on and answer more questions and get off this subject. And If u say it doesn't make sense, another thing that doesn't, the it's kinda like a bee I guess. Their body's wiegh more than their wings, and therefore should not be able to fly. There so just drop it. Please. And the apricorn thing, I don't get what's so hard about it. The Appricorn has no technology whatsoever. That's just a base for the technology BUILT on the inside.

dumbpikAchu April 25th, 2009 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by I Laugh at your Misfortune! (Post 4573880)
All pokemon are secretly reptiles XD.

then me, a Pikachu that somehow misteriously ate a Charizard is secretly a reptile? I DO have some Skitty somewhere in there, and some wolverine, but...
No question :D

sabrina_diamond April 25th, 2009 4:06 PM

Here's a really good question: How do Evolution stones, Deepsea teeth and Light-ball work if they trans-mutate Pokemon such as Eevee and Camperl, especially if the items are held by Pokemon in the Daycare? Does the Elemental radiation from the Evolution stone affect the Pokemon?

Also, when Pokemon breed, how come the Eggs hatched Pokemon resemble the mother/female and yet can learn attacks from both their parents :D

Åzurε April 25th, 2009 6:08 PM

Ink, IMO there isn't technology per say in an Apricorn, but if it was just a nut, you could very well use anything with a hard shell for capturing pokemon. Is this what you're getting at?

well, for the elemental stones, I assume it would have to be activated somehow, like the aforementioned energy-matter compound in my note on everyone's favorite nuts. Although, in one of the early episodes of the anime, I remember a large colony of eggsecute(sp) traveling across a place made of leaf stone, and evolving into Exeggutor. My guess, a willingness to evolve exerted by the pokemon in question and/or it's trainer, in the presence of the material needed to evolve. Note that this is of course the anime, and not the games, so they had to insert item-link evolutions differently, which brings us to your next point, the link items. Perhaps the pokemon holding the item would, as data, mingle with the item's code, and react to it physically at the earliest opportunity, which would be directly after the trade.

I don't know how to explain egg moves, except something akin to the hereditary knowledge shown by Saphira in the Inheritance Cycle (a.k.a., Eragon). And that was basically unexplained.

Monochrome April 25th, 2009 6:23 PM

My questions are..

-What is a ditto made of andy why is it solid enough to still have a face and eyes, what makes it able to become other Pokemon? And if its genetic code is so easily changed why isn't it affected by evolution stones like Eevee? Why can't a ditto evolve from the Pokemon its copying either.. If its a complete copy I mean...

- What makes one pokeball more effective than another? Why if there exists a masterball are kids still getting crappy pokeballs that suck? Is there a mass manufacturing plant for pokeballs?

- Let's just say for the sake of science the theory of evolution is true and humans evolve from animals... What went on in the Pokemon universe and why arent humans capturable by Pokeballs... It has been proven that humans arent capturable and it makes them drowzy or something dun remember!

-What is a cubones skull exactly and how is it born with it when the pokedex says it is the skull of its mother... Does it kill its mother?

- Does slowking still have a lag in pain like he did as a slowpoke or a slowbro... Because I'd assume with the poisons being pumped into his brain from the shellder that he would still feel the same effects

-how exactly do ghost Pokemon work like Gastly... it is said he is quite literally gas..

-How exactly did humans find out about Arceus?

-WHY DO POKEMON MAKE EGGS IN DAYCARE AND WHY DO THE OLD PEOPLE JUST SIT AND LET THEM... MAKE EGGS? DX

(JUST SOME QUESTIONS TO PONDER OVER!)

Åzurε April 25th, 2009 6:32 PM

Alright, down to it, then.

1) Ditto is made of a variation of the liquid comprising the majority of an amoeba, and the face area is it's nucleus. At best guess it has to come into contact with the DNA or material of whatever it's trying to copy. Were this the case, It wouldn't be affected by elemental stones at all, unless it wanted to become one (and IMO still wouldn't work because of a seemingly more mystical quality in the little rocks...)

2) I said something about it in the Apricorn bit... Pokeballs are likely mass manufactured, and use the lowest-quality and easiest-to-obtain capturing material, minus any special properties from real Apricorns. By that, A masterball (in addition to the risk of giving it to a a real jackarse who'll misuse it) would take very long and be very expensive to produce such a high quality material, and would likely take a real professional to get it in without messing it up.

3) Well, it might be a deviation in the DNA that causes it, or the 'balls could just be programmed to capture only living beings ID'ed as Pokemon.

4) Huh. Well, perhaps Cubone do in fact grow a second skull, on the outside of the one beneath their skin, which becomes removable once the Cubone is fully grown. The Pokemon might take the skull of a dead Marowak and throw out it's naturally grown one, due to instinct.

5) Shellder are non-toxic (like crayons! xD). any fluid secreted could be actually be beneficial to brain function.

6) I don't quite understand. Explain further?

7) A small sect of the Ninten-Do tribe saw it in person, and distributed the information to other areas. XDDD

or... It was active for a while during the earlier days of humanity, assuming again darwinian macroevolution existed like that.

Monochrome April 25th, 2009 6:36 PM

I'm still confused though.... WHy wouldn't the evolutionary stones work? I mean supposedly Eevees DNA is easily changed which is why it has so many evolutions .. so why wouldnt ditto type change?

And why wouldn't they just sell masterballs or ultra balls to everyone? I mean that's like selling a huting rifle that doesn't kill...

Åzurε April 25th, 2009 6:59 PM

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...it has to come into contact with the DNA or material of whatever it's trying to copy.
It doesn't evolve, it just changes form.

Quote:

...it (in addition to the risk of giving it to a a real jackarse who'll misuse it) would take very long and be very expensive to produce such a high quality material, and would likely take a real professional to get it in without messing it up.
Besides that, you gain access to more powerful balls after getting more badges now. so, a trainer with 1-2 badges only would need to worry about catching pokemon catchable with a pokeball.

Monochrome April 25th, 2009 8:49 PM

Well...

It says directly in the Pokedex and in many other sources the reason the Shellder gives the slowking intelligence is that it puts toxins in its brain...

Oh and I mean how did are humans so sure Arceus was the first i mean sureits in legend but where did they figure it out... Technically wouldn't it all be speculation if not for its existance within the actual game?

And i know this is stupid to ask but I'm really interested in this... is there anyway I could hope on the... POKEGURU Bandwagon?

Blaziken_Boy April 25th, 2009 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumner (Post 4582775)
Oh and I mean how did are humans so sure Arceus was the first i mean sure it's in legend but where did they figure it out... Technically wouldn't it all be speculation if not for its existence within the actual game?

The Pokeballs were specially designed to react to an oil secreted by human skin and not capture. However, the Pokeball has to stun the Pokemon it targets for a brief moment to be able to convert it, and this stun can't be overcome by modifications, explaining why in the anime when someone's hit with a Pokeball they're stunned for a bit.

Or it could just be the fact that someone just hit them in the face with a small round capsule designed to convert matter into a more compressed state to store for later ejection. I'd be stunned, too.

Greeneflower April 25th, 2009 10:35 PM

I have a question :3

How does Pikachu store energy in it's cheeks? And why to they call Pokemon "it" when Pokemon are also refereed to as a boy and a girl?

Thanks! :3

Wyyrlokk April 25th, 2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sabrina_diamond (Post 4581831)
Also, when Pokemon breed, how come the Eggs hatched Pokemon resemble the mother/female and yet can learn attacks from both their parents :D

Well, I think the attacks are part of the genetic material, and the child, or baby Pokemon, got the genes of both mother and father. So it could know an attack of his father just after be born (which explains also why it does not need to train this new attack).

Inkfingers April 26th, 2009 9:24 AM

Stones: The chemical balance of the stones fuses w/ the DNA of the pokemon, causing it to evolve. It evolves depending on what the pokemon and stone are made up of.
Breeding: It's not really a matter of them looking like the mother, it's more like them appearing ing more juvenile. It's kinda like TM's and HM's the pokemon just learns it due to its type.
Apricorns: pretty much. The apricorn, however, has an extremely shell, making it perfect for being thrown around and hitting the ground many times.
Ditto: It's made of a substance similar to Silly Putty. It is still unknown what substance that is though. It is solid enough to give it a face. It can transform because it does not have a solid structure, but is very sophisticated, giving it the ability to transform into an exact copy. How does it change color? Smae way a chameleon does. How does it change shape, same way clay is formed, only it does it by itself. How does it know the moves of the opposite pokemon? Ditto is a telepath and since it is so sophisticated it learns the move in 1 second.
How are pokeballs more effective, that is a secret kept by Poke'ball, company who makes them. They have stronger features though, which makes them stronger for catching pokemon. Kinda like a cell phone. The more features, the more expensive.

The masterball takes 10 years to make one because it is so complex to make one, hence, one masterball in existence

Humans aren't able to be caught b/c the pokeball; only reads pokemon DNA to be captured. Pokemon evolve like humans did, only they evolve from expeirience and do it much quicker.

Yes, it's a sacrifice a mother makes to have a child. Once the Cubone is of age 4 and is able to fend for itself, it kills its own mother because their heads are the most sensitive part of their body and they need protection and must learn to hunt at this age.

Shelder: Mooglizer said it all.

Gastly and all gohst pokemon are gas. They are a very thick, nontoxic gas that has false eyes and mouth also made of gas and pretends to use them, giving them an even gohstlier appearence.

Just as they foiund out other legendary pokemon, through legendary tales. Since the legendary pokemon have been seen, arceus is believed to ber real. They found out how Arceus created pokemon by a pokemon to human language translater. Just as Meowth did to ash in Pokemon 2000 when Pikachu and Zapdos were communicating. Arceus is a god to pokemon because he/she made them. I will not get into how Arceus was made due to religious reasons

Breeding: The same reason humans let other animals breed. It's part of nature.

Shelder's toxins are helpful toxins, juast as there are helpful bacteria.

Pikachu stores energy in its cheeks the same way certain animals store poison. Only pikachu gets it's energy kind of like humans. We have electricity in us, only pikachu has more and is able to handle more w/out killing itself. The energyis stored in it's cheeks, just because the cheeks were chosen to store the energy.
If a pokemon is refferred to as it, that means it's speaking generally, just as we do with animals.Example: The gorilla is very sophisticated. IT also has strong arms. Or if you are facing a pokemon, and don't know if it is a boy or girl, then one would call said pokemon "it."

Sumner, if you want to join, try and answer this question. If you have a good, logical, and interesting response, then you can join. If not then I'm sorry but you can't.


"When Wartortle evolves into Blastoise, How does it GROW tow high-pressure water cannons?"

Åzurε April 26th, 2009 11:46 AM

I really don't have a good answer for the Blastoise bit... Have you noticed most of the "biology" questions are coming from the first generation pokemon? It's most likely because the Game Freak was experimenting with less logical designs to see which worked best. They probably weren't sure of the direction pokemon, as species, were going to take. Little note.

Inkfingers April 26th, 2009 12:39 PM

Okay the blastoie question is for SUMNER ONLY

And ya I did notice that. Truthfuly I'm better w/ 1st and 2nd gen than the other 2 b/c I rarely play silver and haven't played d/pe/pl
But I can still answer questionns about Hoenn & Sinnoh

Monochrome April 26th, 2009 6:44 PM

Well... First I want to explain the phisiology of the actual jets... Supposedly they reach deep inside the shell launching water outwards at a speed of 160 Mph making it powerful enough to punch through even steel. They jut out from open areas near the Pokemons right and left shoulders.

My assumption is that when Wartortle evolves perhaps it naturally grows two hollow cannons made of bone in order to prevent itself from becomming overloaded with water that its shell picks up over a long period of time. Supposedly the water launched is the water colected in the shell through swimming and being in bodies of water. I think originally the cannons were grown as a device to drain a shell in order to prevent water form becoming stagnant or weighing the blastoise down but over the ages it evolved into a weapon when its other uses were discovered and used more frequently.

The muscles inside a blastoises shell slowly develop into a compression like mechanism that builds pressure and releases the water through the cannons that were forced shut by another set of muscles. And over the period of evolution wartortle like many other Pokemon are forced into an adaptation completely altering their size and appearance and the growing of the cannons is just another adaptation made to accomadate Blastoises size!

Well I gave it the old clown college try thar and I gope its correct enough.

By the way, I get most of my information about Pokemon from the pokedex and then add in my own scientific perceptions... If my science sint good enough I can still provide as much information possible with the information i have amassed from a decade of Pokemon.

Åzurε April 26th, 2009 6:51 PM

I like it personally, though an anatomically correct -if we dare go there- Blastoise would likely have narrower cannons than portrayed in anime/manga/games. Also, perhaps in a pinch a water-gunning pokemon could condense water from in the air somehow... But this is a separate piece of speculation.

I'm sorry for intruding on the question earlier, Inky.


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