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So..can anyone actually explain the hatred amongst Dawn?
Having actually watched the DP episodes, from what I have gathered, she is the only character who I give a crap about, seeing as Ash is just going through another bout of 8 badges and another league to lose at. And Brock...god have mercy on the team responsible for your derailment. That said, I seem to have developed an attachment of sorts to the character, and having read through several forums online, people hate this character almost more than May. And I would like to know...why? Most people have gathered that her "suckness" comes from her not being good at battles, which imo is a sad excuse. The quality of any character should not be determined by their fighting abilities in any sort. It's what irks me most about Wesker fanboys on resident evil. They see a powerful character, and absolutely love him to death. Same with Akuma from Street Fighter. Its a sad case of Human Nature.
But back to the topic, what do you think is the general consensus among why Dawn is so hated among fan communities? |
From what I keep hearing, Dawn is very well liked by the fan base. But the vocal minority who are more dedicated to a previous trio member is what makes it seem like she's actually hated.
Remember, just because Internet Fans hate it doesn't mean that's what the people watching the show think. If the Internet had it's way, Misty and Ash would be married, Pikachu would've been impaled then thrown off a cliff, and crappy COTD that like 5 people in the world care about would become the main stars of the show. |
I wouldn't mind pikachu being impaled actually :P
But COTD? |
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The examples in my post are just that, examples. There's a long list of "fan ideas" that are love on the Internet but are mostly completely crazy, unrealistic, or would casue a back lash in the non-Internet fans. |
Understand that to everything there exists, there is a negative base, and a positive base.
You have been probably seeing too many negativew bases, because Dawn sure ain't hated by most people I know and you can probably thank her skirt for that. I also doubt there is anybody that truely hates her for being a sucky battler yet dressing beyond her age. And what the waffles is COTD? |
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Every now and again an interesting CotD pops up out from the endless sea of generic ones. Ones that seem to be well liked by some are AJ from way back in Indigo League and Sho from DP (the Pikachu and Raichu episode). I think a lot of people liked Duplica and the Eevee trainer in Johto, too.
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Though youtube would be a poor example, considering the majority of fans on that site are obscured by trolls. |
Personally I think Dawn is the best of the female protagonists. She's one of my top 3 characters in the series.
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And, personally, when I saw her introduced, I actually didn't mind her, and it was only AFTER I watched "Setting the World on it's Buneary" that I began to hate/dislike her (since she threw a tantrum in the episode, twice.). Also, her skirt is also partially the reason why I disliked her, as I feel that outfits like that are a bad influence to females. |
People hate Dawn because she's inexperienced (but she's getting more experience), her skirt is shortertest piece of clothing in Pokemon history, and most people still like Misty and/or May. You can't make people change their opinions.
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Dawn throws tantrums too much.
Whereas you see, May never did such a thing. |
IMO Dawn is the worst protagonist. May should have stayed. She is annoying as hell, her dress is a little too short, she is inexperienced, and she is as ugly as all hell
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I think she looks much better than Misty or May. And anyway, I never liked May... in my opinion she is kind of.. ugly |
Dawn is my third favorite character under Brock and Mistyy.
I really disliked May.. Not sure why. She really just annoyed me, and I didn't like her game counterpart either. |
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Mostly I hear it's because of her skirt and inexperience. Which is pretty stupid in my opinion.
I love Hikari~ She's my favorite PokeGirl. ^^ I disliked Haruka at first, but warmed up to her at the end. I think she's gradually improving from crying for her loses to learning from her mistakes. An example, DP123. Spoiler:
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Instead of speaking for everyone else, I will speak on why I dislike Dawn.
I find her personality to be very flat, similar to Ash's. Basically, she's going around training Pokemon, saying "Awesome!" and "Totally!" every chance she's got, without any real character development whatsoever. She tends to overreact to an extremely annoying extent, and she her inexperience is so pitiful it makes me want to chuck something at her. She also seems too much like a copy of May, which she wasn't a great character herself, but to have it replicated onto another generation annoys me. Dawn in the games is pretty sweet though. I dig the dark blue hair ^^ |
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I really don't see why (over)reacting and being inexperienced is something to hold against her. That's how 10 year olds act. They do get overt emotional. Big deal. People BEYOND 10 have that happen to them too. But as recent episodes demonstrated, Dawn went through quite a funk for a number of episodes which ended with her Gym battle against Maylene. Do you guys remember how Ash (cue Ash haters now) handle his defeat at the Indigo League? Crying, whining, holing himself up in his room for days at a time? Overreacting was practically a staple characteristic of another former trio member, Misty. Many of you seem to be expecting completely mature adult reactions from 10 year old kids. |
There are many Rocket COTDs, too (I'm looking at you, Domino).
I'm with you on expecting too much on 10 years olds. I don't, per se. Dawn did annoy me, originally, as "are the Japanese producers going to replace Ash with her, or nor, or what?" To be fair, the whole "my mother is a Coordinator, yet I can't seem to win constantly," yeah, it grated on me. There's a fine line, and May polevaulted it with her deus ex machina wins, so they compensated with the reverse. I'm not sure if it's hatred, as it's getting used to change. The character has been around for a few years, but she doesn't feel like she's part of the group. I think she's still too busy going off and doing her own thing. May was the same way, but she was less obvious about it and more inclusive. Does that make any sense? Of course, I haven't seen her in action for a year, so I could be quite wrong. Heh. |
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However, like many characters in the show, she's very black and white. Which is something I despise about the Pokemon Anime. |
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If you didn't feel like talking about your opinion or seeing people respond to it, you didn't have to post. |
I'm not complete sure why.
Some people hate her for the reasons some people like her. I like her because she doesn't just sit there in the background like Misty and May did. Some people hate her for stealing so much of Ash's spotlight. She's a lot more girly but if she can stll like a Grimer, she's got her priorities straight with me. Because she fussed over her hair (yeah right, like you haven't) she's vain and useless to other people. Though I agree that tent she had at first was excessive. But she's actually grown from then. That's good. Also people hated May because she replaced Misty, and now people hate Dawn because she replaced May. Just too stuck on the old characters to give the new ones a chance. |
I would think that Dawn is hated because she looks like a replica of Ash. (Or maybe the reason why I don't like her that much...) Let me see...
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I could start this debate with a completely unrelated thing ...(God I want to kill May's game counterpart, because she isn't a rival in any way at all), BUT I'm not that Magikarp-brained. I don't see what is wrong with Dawn. I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that... Dawn is 10. I know 10 year olds. People who are ten and completely different from those who have matured and grown up. So she has a lot in common with Ash. In my opinion, this series seems to referring back to older episodes - the whole Piplup is rebelling against its trainer and such forth. And besides the younger viewers weren't even BORN when I Choose You was aired... ¬¬ As for her skirt - the other girls were just as scantily dressed. It is an anime...! Dawn is different, because she doesn't let Ash take the spotlight. Why isn't that a good thing, I mean there are HUNDREDS of Ash related episdoes. Dawn isn't really breaking the mould, with the whole co-ordinator thing, but she actuallu does something other than just watch Ash train his Pokémon... |
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I like Hikari. She isn't my favorite character but I like her on the show. I hope the next female star is even more likeable and even a trainer.
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Her shorts are like gym shorts? But she isn't in a gym. She's wearing these casually, walking around, every day. None of their busts are all that unusual, and they aren't displayed in any sexual way. That's why they can show skin from all three girls, but not get any flack from any women's rights group. Because they aren't displayed in any sexual way. Here's some news for you: Nobody in Pokemon is sexy. In fact, they are very much de-sexualized. Ever seen a nipple when a male on the show is shirtless? Quote:
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In fact, the only episodes that were truly dedicated to Ash (by that, I mean it focused on him, him and him alone) were the first episode, the Samurai episode, the Vermillion gym, Battle aboard the St. Anne, Bye-Bye Butterfree, the Sabrina Arc, Primape, Erika, Koga, the rematch with Blaine, and the League itself (especially since, for a time that's supposed to be focused on Ash, the episodes where Ash was training for the league ironically barely even focused on him.). |
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I'm not going to compare bust sizes of 10 year old animated female characters, because I'm not a creep. If you've studied bust sizes of the female characters...peaches. But I'm not going to. But it's safe to say that none of them are overtly big for how they're body is portrayed, and it's certainly not done so in a sexual fashion. Quote:
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Dawn/May/Misty can "show" as much leg as they want because they aren't there as sex objects and aren't portrayed as such. They may be seen as pretty by some, maybe attractive even. But not sexy. As to your paragraph on episodes that supposedly focus on other character: You give huge credit for sub-plots and count it as an episdoe that focuses on a character other than Ash (even though it's obvious that it focuses on Ash. Cmon, the title of the episode is "ash catches a Pokemon", not "Misty hates bug Pokemon."). And then you discredit Ash any time he has a sub-plot in a supporting character driven episode. It's a double standard. The anime is focused on Ash. Sorry. That's not up for debate. It's a fact. Anything else is a complete delusion. |
I don't hate Dawn.. she just annoys me. D:
Sometimes she's okay, but generally I'm just not too fond of her character. I couldn't tell you why. o__O She just bothers me, for some reason. Part of it might be her voice, honestly. In the Japanese AND the dub. Keyword there being 'part'. |
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Now, if only one episode in the entire season, or heck, even the entire series, focused on the main characters other than Ash, and Ash got all the rest, then yes, the Anime focusing on Ash would DEFINITELY be fact. |
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You aren't an accurate judge of how you and your friends act, because obviously you want to portray yourself and the people you associate with in a positive fashion. You could say how mature you are at 10 as much as you want, I don't care. But people have a bias for themselves, and thus your view just doesn't matter because it's likely distorted. And your judgment really isn't to be trusted in the first place. You've thought that Satoshi Tajiri created the anime, and have compared your personal one-man Pokemon boycott with the Civil Rights movement and the American Revolution. Yeah, and Ritchie was similar to Ash in many respects, thus theoretically having those characters being bonded, thus the fanbase would like that. heck, Tracey would have been very popular due to the fact that he shares many similarities to Brock, and the last time I checked, people viewed them as unfavorable, to say the least, and outright clones at worst (not that I mind clones, of course, but still.). Quote:
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Aren't you outraged? Well, of course you aren't. Misty is your favorite and you hate the other two. So they all three show leg. But you whine and moan only about it with May and Dawn. May and Misty are both the same in terms of their bodies, though Misty seems to be a bit taller. That's the only difference I see. And since you're the only person here thinking May has these DD, then I'm betting it's just because you hate May's characters and are just looking for reasons to hate her. Quote:
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Actually, May did show some cleavage in her bikini in the 8th movie (you have to look carefully), so Weedle isn't completely off on this.
Randomspot, relax, as everyone has different interpretations on everything, which is part of the fun. Honestly, you both raise good points, just don't devolve it into a pissing contest. That's not so fun. |
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(I do think there's a difference between not liking a character and character bashing. I don't like Ritchie. I hope he never appears again and is never referenced again. However, I won't be posting a poll saying "Ritchie: DEATH BY CHRISTIAN EATING LIONS or should he live?" |
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You weren't out of line, but I felt the tone of the exchange might have gone out of hand. It happens. Hence, I appeared. And I do agree about the griping for the sake of it. Pokemon definitely has it, for whatever reason. (As long as you respect the character's right to exist and acknowledge real life factors that the characters have no control in: the writers, designers, then I have no problem with ya. The onus is on them, really. Although, the fandom shouldn't be knee-jerk in their reactions, either.) |
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I'm ignoring the last one. Also, I'm stopping it right now, as I don't want it to get worse by the minute. Besides, Charaxes raises a good point, and I don't even like flame wars, period. |
Ehhh I like Dawn and Misty and May equally, all three are great characters. I find nothing wrong with her character. The only character that annoy's me is Pikachu, but only when he gets to OHKO's ground types for no damn reason and none of the other electric type's can't.
Aww I thought Ritchie was adorable =3 I never understood the Tracey hate and the TR Trio is just awesome... I just wish Meowth could beat Pikachu in a battle just once... scratch him up realllll good. Then I'll be happy =3 I also don't get why people hate Paul... what, just cause he's a bit of a jerk and releases weak pokemon and is a bit more of an ass than Kanto Gary, people seem to loathe him... but I think he's probably the best Rival for Ash, only seconded to Gary (cause Gary and his Umbreon pwns Ash and Pikachu six ways from sunday, no matter how much he trains) to date and I pray to god, that he doesn't turn into some sympathetic... I've-seen-the-light-and-I won't-be-a-dick-and-treat-pokemon-like-crap-anymore-cause-Ash-beat-me-in-a-league-battle. Am I the only one who misses Gary being the snarky jerk of a rival from way back when? But then again, if Gary was stil his rival, we wouldn't get the awesomeness that is Paul, I mean its a change from all the nice-guy rival's, Paul's a straight up jerk and his view clash with Ash's, what's not to love... but I'm getting off topic >.>;;; |
I actually really hate the anime for Pokemon, from Hoenn on it got really pathetic, but I do have to agree with you in some way.
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Y'know, I never even noticed May had 'big breast' and even if she did, who cares? It's an anime, she's not real.
Anyways, I haven't seen much of D/P so I can't say much about Dawn except I don't really like her much... Doesn't seem all that great a character. |
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That said, characters should only be judged by their actions and their personalities. Since Hikari is still a character on the show, we don't know how she'll turn out in the end. Will she be a nervous wreck? An over-confident coördinator? Until then, I can't say that I hate her because I don't know how she'll turn out at the end. Many people outside of the demographic hated Haruka at her debut but many of those same people turned into fans of her. Basically, I think that saying you hate a character before they finish their run is premature even though many people, myself included, do it anyway. |
Well, I don't know about everyone else, but this is why I hate Hikari/Dawn/whatever:
I could go on, but then I'd be ranting. Hope this clears some stuff up for at least me. But not everyone hates her, so. . |
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Still, Dawn's breasts (or lack their of..) should be no reason to dislike her character. o_o That would be my opinion, anyway. & You know you're lacking sleep when can argue about the breast size of Pokemon characters, so I'm gonna get going for the night. :/ |
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You don't need to like Paul to enjoy his character. He's great because he's actually different from Ash, acts as a great foil. All of Ash's other rivals basically were very similar to Ash in training methods, bonded with Pokemon, etc... Really, Gary's overconfidence was his downfall. He probably knew it too. I also question how sincere his overconfidence was, considering Ash and him are childhood friends. |
She has 2 normal Pokemon. Though, one of them leaves in one episode, so it's OK now. The hatred is, because she is so whiny.
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I don't really hate Dawn and I haven't heard that much hatred for her character around other forums. I just kind of find her more annoying as a trainer. While she does participate in Contests, I feel like she hasn't really been using her team that much other than Piplup. I did like her at the start of D/P, but I became more annoyed with her as she used mostly Piplup and barely used her other Pokemon.
I still forget that she caught a Swinbu since it has not done a thing since she caught it. I only watch the dub, but I hear of things that have happen to her team recently. I feel that she hasn't really developed as a character. Granted, it is Pokemon, but by the time May had five Pokemon, she had become a trainer who didn't really like Pokemon to a trainer finding her calling with Contests. While I'm not expecting the exact same results from Dawn, considering that there are quite a few differences between how she started and how May started out, I feel like she's still the same kind of character we saw from start of the saga. She isn't as inexperience as she was then, but I don't think that she's really grown that much either. If Dawn started using more of her other Pokemon or taught them some new moves, then I probably wouldn't be as annoyed with her. She's okay and she obviously cares about her Pokemon, but I do get annoyed with her about her skills as a trainer at times. |
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Woah, talk about getting out of hand.
*looks at Psyburn* Dude, you just started a war. Anyways, I like Misty, May, and Dawn. While I was a bit mad about Misty being replaced by May, she eventually grew on me. I wasn't mad about May being replaced by Dawn though. I figure this will be what the series as an anime will do, replacing the main female character with a girl from the next generation of Pokemon games. I do admit that Dawn's skirt is a bit too short for a kid's show, but who cares? It is an anime people! |
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I don't know why people hate Dawn. Maybe there are those, who are hardcore Misty/May fans, don't like Dawn. I have no problem with Dawn. I like how she's a little more relaxed than the previous two and that she's not flirty with Ash. Sure, she can be a little obsessed with her hair, but what other girly girl isn't? I like how they are giving Dawn shipping options such as Kenny, that Pearl dude, and Gary. For once, a girl who is traveling with Ash likes Gary! :) (I say this because she likes Gary's poetry + b/c their outfits match! How cute!) (Dawn/Gary shipper here.) Besides, what's wrong with a prepubescent ten year old wearing a skirt? It's not like she is in high school dressed like that. And she is wearing boots with it thus covering up her legs more than the first two. Honestly, how can people find a show starring 10-11 year olds and pokemon "sexual?" I personally think it's wrong to think that way about this show. |
From what I've seen of the DP episodes, I can say that Dawn's actually a decent character. I can't compare her to May, since I haven't watched the seasons with her in it, but I'd say Dawn's more likable than Misty was. She's the one I found annoying. Sure Dawn's hair obsession and tantrums are annoying, but they fit her character. Dawn also seems like someone who'd be easier to get along with than Misty, as well as someone who's more open-minded.
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I don't hate Dawn, I like her, although she isn't really one of my favourite characters. I like how she's girly and cares how her hair looks because it's quite funny when you contrast it with Ash who doesn't care at all and doesn't see why he should because he wears a hat XD Although, in a future episode when his hair goes poofy, he cares just as much as Dawn XD
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Same here. I don't hate her. I liked her overreacting personality at the start of the series, but lately that has disappeared into thin air. She's an OK character in my book.
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Maybe its because her voice is a bit annoying and her Pokemon are boring. I dont hate her though, I just find her boring.
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It is the same reason May was hated people did not want to see the previous female traveler leave. It is a never ending cycle the girl who replaces dawn will be just as hated
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I myself have nothing against her. I can't say I have a hatred of any main character though, and when it comes to comparing Misty, May and Dawn, I think they're all equally entertaining and interesting; as well as they do what they were meant to be doing in the series.
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I have this weird thing with Hikari.
I remember when she was first introduced, and I started watching the Japanese D/P episodes right when they came out ..I fell in love with this girl. She was so cute and funny. I think once the dub came out ..I got sick of her ..(it might have been because of her voice) ..or maybe because her personality kept changing. ATM, she seems kinda boring. I miss how she was back in the beginning. I mean she's weird. Haha, sometimes I like her ..sometimes I hate her. At one point, I was going on this total spasm with her. I liked her for a few weeks ..but then hated her ...but then liked her again ...and then hate, and now I'm kinda just yeeeah. xD |
People love Dawn, Who would hate her?
Dawn Is like a girl ash in a micro mini skirt and there for everybody loves her. In my opinion she is fun and entertaining, A heck of a lot better then May. Which brings me to the question "Why does everybody hate may?" I hate her, and I don't know why. I just do. |
I just saw an episode of D/P this morning, and I remembered why I don't like her: Her voice kills my ears...
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I dislike dawn because shes just plain boring. She has no clue whats shes doing, and all she likes is pokemon contests, which are even more dull than her. Plus the voices of her Piplup and Buneary annoy the hell out of me.
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I think Dawn was a cool character, I don't really like her voice in the English dub though, but she's alright and I don't want people to compare her to May because May was just a NO, same goes with her brother.
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