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I could start this debate with a completely unrelated thing ...(God I want to kill May's game counterpart, because she isn't a rival in any way at all), BUT I'm not that Magikarp-brained. I don't see what is wrong with Dawn. I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that... Dawn is 10. I know 10 year olds. People who are ten and completely different from those who have matured and grown up. So she has a lot in common with Ash. In my opinion, this series seems to referring back to older episodes - the whole Piplup is rebelling against its trainer and such forth. And besides the younger viewers weren't even BORN when I Choose You was aired... ¬¬ As for her skirt - the other girls were just as scantily dressed. It is an anime...! Dawn is different, because she doesn't let Ash take the spotlight. Why isn't that a good thing, I mean there are HUNDREDS of Ash related episdoes. Dawn isn't really breaking the mould, with the whole co-ordinator thing, but she actuallu does something other than just watch Ash train his Pokémon... |
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I like Hikari. She isn't my favorite character but I like her on the show. I hope the next female star is even more likeable and even a trainer.
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Her shorts are like gym shorts? But she isn't in a gym. She's wearing these casually, walking around, every day. None of their busts are all that unusual, and they aren't displayed in any sexual way. That's why they can show skin from all three girls, but not get any flack from any women's rights group. Because they aren't displayed in any sexual way. Here's some news for you: Nobody in Pokemon is sexy. In fact, they are very much de-sexualized. Ever seen a nipple when a male on the show is shirtless? Quote:
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In fact, the only episodes that were truly dedicated to Ash (by that, I mean it focused on him, him and him alone) were the first episode, the Samurai episode, the Vermillion gym, Battle aboard the St. Anne, Bye-Bye Butterfree, the Sabrina Arc, Primape, Erika, Koga, the rematch with Blaine, and the League itself (especially since, for a time that's supposed to be focused on Ash, the episodes where Ash was training for the league ironically barely even focused on him.). |
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I'm not going to compare bust sizes of 10 year old animated female characters, because I'm not a creep. If you've studied bust sizes of the female characters...peaches. But I'm not going to. But it's safe to say that none of them are overtly big for how they're body is portrayed, and it's certainly not done so in a sexual fashion. Quote:
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Dawn/May/Misty can "show" as much leg as they want because they aren't there as sex objects and aren't portrayed as such. They may be seen as pretty by some, maybe attractive even. But not sexy. As to your paragraph on episodes that supposedly focus on other character: You give huge credit for sub-plots and count it as an episdoe that focuses on a character other than Ash (even though it's obvious that it focuses on Ash. Cmon, the title of the episode is "ash catches a Pokemon", not "Misty hates bug Pokemon."). And then you discredit Ash any time he has a sub-plot in a supporting character driven episode. It's a double standard. The anime is focused on Ash. Sorry. That's not up for debate. It's a fact. Anything else is a complete delusion. |
I don't hate Dawn.. she just annoys me. D:
Sometimes she's okay, but generally I'm just not too fond of her character. I couldn't tell you why. o__O She just bothers me, for some reason. Part of it might be her voice, honestly. In the Japanese AND the dub. Keyword there being 'part'. |
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And even IF I was doing double-standard, you're no different in regards to the other characters, saying that Episodes Ash was in focused on him primarily, and refusing to acknowledge that the other characters, like Misty and Brock, actually did focus on them, anyways. Quote:
Now, if only one episode in the entire season, or heck, even the entire series, focused on the main characters other than Ash, and Ash got all the rest, then yes, the Anime focusing on Ash would DEFINITELY be fact. |
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You aren't an accurate judge of how you and your friends act, because obviously you want to portray yourself and the people you associate with in a positive fashion. You could say how mature you are at 10 as much as you want, I don't care. But people have a bias for themselves, and thus your view just doesn't matter because it's likely distorted. And your judgment really isn't to be trusted in the first place. You've thought that Satoshi Tajiri created the anime, and have compared your personal one-man Pokemon boycott with the Civil Rights movement and the American Revolution. Yeah, and Ritchie was similar to Ash in many respects, thus theoretically having those characters being bonded, thus the fanbase would like that. heck, Tracey would have been very popular due to the fact that he shares many similarities to Brock, and the last time I checked, people viewed them as unfavorable, to say the least, and outright clones at worst (not that I mind clones, of course, but still.). Quote:
Are you sure you're watching Pokemon? Because I don't see the DD bust that you must be seeing. But let's just pretend May did have a big chest. So what? That's not a reason to dislike someone. People don't get to choose how their body looks. Quote:
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Aren't you outraged? Well, of course you aren't. Misty is your favorite and you hate the other two. So they all three show leg. But you whine and moan only about it with May and Dawn. May and Misty are both the same in terms of their bodies, though Misty seems to be a bit taller. That's the only difference I see. And since you're the only person here thinking May has these DD, then I'm betting it's just because you hate May's characters and are just looking for reasons to hate her. Quote:
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Actually, May did show some cleavage in her bikini in the 8th movie (you have to look carefully), so Weedle isn't completely off on this.
Randomspot, relax, as everyone has different interpretations on everything, which is part of the fun. Honestly, you both raise good points, just don't devolve it into a pissing contest. That's not so fun. |
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(I do think there's a difference between not liking a character and character bashing. I don't like Ritchie. I hope he never appears again and is never referenced again. However, I won't be posting a poll saying "Ritchie: DEATH BY CHRISTIAN EATING LIONS or should he live?" |
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You weren't out of line, but I felt the tone of the exchange might have gone out of hand. It happens. Hence, I appeared. And I do agree about the griping for the sake of it. Pokemon definitely has it, for whatever reason. (As long as you respect the character's right to exist and acknowledge real life factors that the characters have no control in: the writers, designers, then I have no problem with ya. The onus is on them, really. Although, the fandom shouldn't be knee-jerk in their reactions, either.) |
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I'm ignoring the last one. Also, I'm stopping it right now, as I don't want it to get worse by the minute. Besides, Charaxes raises a good point, and I don't even like flame wars, period. |
Ehhh I like Dawn and Misty and May equally, all three are great characters. I find nothing wrong with her character. The only character that annoy's me is Pikachu, but only when he gets to OHKO's ground types for no damn reason and none of the other electric type's can't.
Aww I thought Ritchie was adorable =3 I never understood the Tracey hate and the TR Trio is just awesome... I just wish Meowth could beat Pikachu in a battle just once... scratch him up realllll good. Then I'll be happy =3 I also don't get why people hate Paul... what, just cause he's a bit of a jerk and releases weak pokemon and is a bit more of an ass than Kanto Gary, people seem to loathe him... but I think he's probably the best Rival for Ash, only seconded to Gary (cause Gary and his Umbreon pwns Ash and Pikachu six ways from sunday, no matter how much he trains) to date and I pray to god, that he doesn't turn into some sympathetic... I've-seen-the-light-and-I won't-be-a-dick-and-treat-pokemon-like-crap-anymore-cause-Ash-beat-me-in-a-league-battle. Am I the only one who misses Gary being the snarky jerk of a rival from way back when? But then again, if Gary was stil his rival, we wouldn't get the awesomeness that is Paul, I mean its a change from all the nice-guy rival's, Paul's a straight up jerk and his view clash with Ash's, what's not to love... but I'm getting off topic >.>;;; |
I actually really hate the anime for Pokemon, from Hoenn on it got really pathetic, but I do have to agree with you in some way.
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Y'know, I never even noticed May had 'big breast' and even if she did, who cares? It's an anime, she's not real.
Anyways, I haven't seen much of D/P so I can't say much about Dawn except I don't really like her much... Doesn't seem all that great a character. |
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That said, characters should only be judged by their actions and their personalities. Since Hikari is still a character on the show, we don't know how she'll turn out in the end. Will she be a nervous wreck? An over-confident coördinator? Until then, I can't say that I hate her because I don't know how she'll turn out at the end. Many people outside of the demographic hated Haruka at her debut but many of those same people turned into fans of her. Basically, I think that saying you hate a character before they finish their run is premature even though many people, myself included, do it anyway. |
Well, I don't know about everyone else, but this is why I hate Hikari/Dawn/whatever:
I could go on, but then I'd be ranting. Hope this clears some stuff up for at least me. But not everyone hates her, so. . |
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Still, Dawn's breasts (or lack their of..) should be no reason to dislike her character. o_o That would be my opinion, anyway. & You know you're lacking sleep when can argue about the breast size of Pokemon characters, so I'm gonna get going for the night. :/ |
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You don't need to like Paul to enjoy his character. He's great because he's actually different from Ash, acts as a great foil. All of Ash's other rivals basically were very similar to Ash in training methods, bonded with Pokemon, etc... Really, Gary's overconfidence was his downfall. He probably knew it too. I also question how sincere his overconfidence was, considering Ash and him are childhood friends. |
She has 2 normal Pokemon. Though, one of them leaves in one episode, so it's OK now. The hatred is, because she is so whiny.
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