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The Red Chain May 8th, 2009 3:00 AM

You didn't even answer your own question Hiroshi. XD

I'll probably be getting Soul Silver since the original Silver was the first game of the 2nd gen that I played.

Surf May 8th, 2009 3:04 AM

I loved Silver, so Soul Silver's the one for me!
I can't wait for it to be released in Australia!
Or I can put it on my Flash Cart when it comes out in America...

Mitchman May 8th, 2009 3:07 AM

I will get soul silver cause its my only GB game left. Heart gold maybe if I change my mind just for a level 70 lugia. XD And cause if they go with how both version had different sprite then I bet Silver will get the good ones again.

Barker May 8th, 2009 4:54 AM

I had first gotten Silver, so that's what I'm leaning towards.

But Gold version had Teddiursa. And I seriously might get HeartGold instead, just for that.

Psyburn May 8th, 2009 5:23 AM

omg...its actually true...

Soul Silver cause I already had silver.

-Leaf May 8th, 2009 5:34 AM

Not so sure.. but.. why does the remakes have those bad names?
Btw, hearts are RED. while souls are... white?

But.. i would like a crystal remake.

The Red Chain May 8th, 2009 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Leaf (Post 4623596)
Not so sure.. but.. why does the remakes have those bad names?
Btw, hearts are RED. while souls are... white?

But.. i would like a crystal remake.

Ever heard of the term 'heart of gold'? It makes sense when you think about it.

Crystal remake I don't think will happen considering when the 1st gen was remade, Yellow never came out.

On topic ; Oh wow, everyone in this thread so far is leaning towards Soul Silver.. I expected more Heart Gold buyers honestly.

Mitchman May 8th, 2009 5:43 AM

Are the names that bad? I find them quite good and make sense. I also love how the legend have those little badge things next to the names which Is a first so yeah. What I will love is if for the pre order gift is to be small metallic versions of those for your DS, You know on a string that loops around into that hole on top. Yeah.

Jmath May 8th, 2009 5:50 AM

Didn't anyone play Crystal first? Guess, I'm the only one. :/ Anyway, i don't think i'm going to buy any of these games. But i'm sure, it's going to be awesum.:D

bobandbill May 8th, 2009 5:54 AM

I'll be getting Soul Silver, myself - definitely buying when it comes out in at least some form of English (although Australian versions have always used the same dialogue as America's versions, really, so meh). Probably down to the fact that Silver was my first game, I like Lugia more...superficial stuff like that. =P

JP May 8th, 2009 5:56 AM

SoulSilver obviously! <3 Lugia

Plus, the original Silver is the one I got, but who knows... maybe I'll end up getting both at some point.

Dunsparce May 8th, 2009 5:57 AM

BOTH

I'm preordering straight from Japan, like I did with Platinum. Unlike Platinum, though, I'll also get the English versions.

Translator May 8th, 2009 6:00 AM

Well, I like both but, Soul Silver sounds more appealing to me.

CrystalFlow May 8th, 2009 6:46 AM

I will get soulsilver off the bat and if i see i need, get heartgold later on

Akeraz May 8th, 2009 6:57 AM

I'll get both. Just because.

Both will, undoubtedly, have version exclusives.
I'll probably use HeartGold as my main game..
and SoulSilver for solo runs and challenges.

BassFace May 8th, 2009 7:03 AM

I will be getting the HeartGold version. The Gold version was the first Generation II Pokemon game I played - though the first time I played it, I was playing someone else's copy. I eventually ended up getting the Gold version myself.

The Apprentice™ May 8th, 2009 7:03 AM

I'm getting SoulSilver because Silver has always been my favorite =] Yaaaay Soulsilver

Elite Champion May 8th, 2009 7:04 AM

So its official that these are they 2 next games in pokemon line then

or are these what nintendo are maybe going to do


can someone please answer this

WindBlows May 8th, 2009 7:06 AM

HeartGold...
Gold was just perfect... :D
Well and my brother will get SoulSilver so I guess it is Okay~ xD

Spinosaurus May 8th, 2009 7:07 AM

I guess im gunna get SoulSilver.

And if i want Heartgold,I'll just download the Emulution and put it on my R4

But i voted for SoulSilver.

But it actullly depends on what pokemon in the game.

bobandbill May 8th, 2009 7:08 AM

Quote:

So its official that these are they 2 next games in pokemon line then

or are these what nintendo are maybe going to do
Officially confirmed. On the Japanese website and everything - so yeah, definitely being made. =D

THIRTY-SIX May 8th, 2009 7:08 AM

I'm getting silver because I got gold on the gbc.

Jorah May 8th, 2009 7:26 AM

I'm getting Soul Silver because I bought Silver and it's batter is dead now haha.

Elite Champion May 8th, 2009 7:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 4623800)
Officially confirmed. On the Japanese website and everything - so yeah, definitely being made. =D

thanks bob and bill, so this is the only era i missed out on and the ebst

soulsilver cause its sounds great

Mezase Master May 8th, 2009 7:30 AM

I'm getting HeartGold and I'm gonna make sure my brother gets SoulSilver, since in 2000 I got Gold and he got Silver. It's the circle of life!

Psyburn May 8th, 2009 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4623621)
Are the names that bad? I find them quite good and make sense.

Well Heart gold sounds a bit corny, but Soul Silver...I can work with that title. Plus it has friggin lugia's emblem on it. :P

Barney. May 8th, 2009 7:42 AM

Soul Silver.

But, I don't know..I'll see closer to the time, as there will be different pokemon on each one.

If they are excact re-makes of each...Then, Silver.

white lancer May 8th, 2009 7:42 AM

Yeah, Soul Silver. The name is cooler Silver was my first G2 game...even though I preferred Crystal. :P

RYOUKI May 8th, 2009 7:50 AM

I haven't played the G/S/C games, so I wouldn't know the exclusive Pokemons.

Though, I think for now, I'll just say Heart Gold, or Soul Silver. Or both.

Star Girl May 8th, 2009 7:52 AM

I'm going to get both but I will probably end up playing Soul Silver more because that was the first 2nd gen game I beat.

Spinosaurus May 8th, 2009 7:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyburn (Post 4623859)
Plus it has friggin lugia's emblem on it. :P

If you look closely at The emblem,You can see Ho-oh's Wings in the it.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1382/89022193.png

Mitchman May 8th, 2009 7:57 AM

http://www.vooks.net/images/pokemonsilverDS.jpg
But thats Lugia! Anyway yeah this version for sure. Too bad we will mis out on the emblems like how we missed out on the leaf and flame for FR/LG.

giradialkia May 8th, 2009 8:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassFace (Post 4623786)
I will be getting the HeartGold version. The Gold version was the first Generation II Pokemon game I played - though the first time I played it, I was playing someone else's copy. I eventually ended up getting the Gold version myself.

Lol, this is the exact same as me! Although i ended up getting both Gold and Silver, from two completely non-related people. Although i think i might get Soul Silver. I get what the names mean- as in ''with all my Heart and Soul''- but HeartGold sounds a bit corny.. I don't know. I don't care! The remakes are coming, that's all i give a damn about!
*rejoices-chibi-style* =3

Spinosaurus May 8th, 2009 8:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4623900)
http://www.vooks.net/images/pokemonsilverDS.jpg
But thats Lugia! Anyway yeah this version for sure. Too bad we will mis out on the emblems like how we missed out on the leaf and flame for FR/LG.

I actully meant the Heartgold emblem,If you looks closely at the heart you'll see its Ho-oh's wings.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1382/89022193.png
Correct me if im wrong.

EmeraldSky May 8th, 2009 8:09 AM

Soul Silver for me....dunno how much longer my old Silver will last

Mitchman May 8th, 2009 8:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowampharos (Post 4623908)
I actully meant the Heartgold emblem,If you looks closely at the heart you'll its Ho-oh's wings.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1382/89022193.png
Correct me if im wrong.

I read wrong. I am sorry.

Kokuo May 8th, 2009 8:13 AM

I'm getting both. Though I'll probably play Soul Silver more because I got the original Silver first. most of my 2nd Gen games' batteries died so this news made my day.

ashketchumandpikachufan May 8th, 2009 8:26 AM

I love the titles of these games i cant belive i nevre thought of these titles before i am definetly getting heartgold because of ho-oh and teddiursa!!!
also i think pokecommunity should make a hearttgold and soulsilver theme to celebrate this game!!!!

-Leaf May 8th, 2009 8:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ѕυgαя Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ (Post 4623612)
Ever heard of the term 'heart of gold'? It makes sense when you think about it.

Crystal remake I don't think will happen considering when the 1st gen was remade, Yellow never came out.

On topic ; Oh wow, everyone in this thread so far is leaning towards Soul Silver.. I expected more Heart Gold buyers honestly.

Yo wassup.
ever came up near a boy with a heart at his game and the game is an RPG?
still. lugia kicks ass. but for now, i think that they should rise the levels of kanto leaders.
well.. last time i remember a heart in a game.. well, its mostly any day since i love to use Roll's Battlechip in Megaman Battle Network Series..

and lugia is more cool. anyway it doesn't really matter otherwise they will be again "we love teh marketing. ya need heart for ho-oh and soul for lugia" since lugia was available at gold and the opposite, ho-oh was available at silver.

the only thing i hope that will never happen is to take the Gen 2 games, and add Wi-Fi. now that would be badass. right?

wow.. i write way too much.

Elite Champion May 8th, 2009 8:51 AM

does anyone know when these games coming out

Mezase Master May 8th, 2009 8:53 AM

Fall 2009 in Japan, probably 2010 in America.

Elite Champion May 8th, 2009 8:54 AM

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u308/NeoJustice/possible.jpg

tHIS IS A COOL PIC I FOUND ON THEM!!!

Superjub May 8th, 2009 8:55 AM

I'm tempted to get both (which I have never done before! :O), just because I've waited ages for these (heck, I would rather have Soul Silver and Heart Gold [XD random names!] than Platinum :() I just loved Silver, and still play it (well, Crystal XD) to this day! :D Once I found out, I was so happy! :D So yeah, I'll buy both, but if not Soul Silver just because I love Lugia and Silver was the one I got. :D Oh, and once I told my brother, he didn't care. ;_; I'm sad, since he bought Pearl so...:\

BUG♥CATCHER★BREEZE May 8th, 2009 8:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmath (Post 4623637)
Didn't anyone play Crystal first? Guess, I'm the only one. :/ Anyway, i don't think i'm going to buy any of these games. But i'm sure, it's going to be awesum.:D

Well... I played Crystal first. It doesn't make any difference this time around as you can still play a girl (and they'd better add the Odd Egg...!)
Probably HeartGold. But version exclusives won't matter because of the wonder of IRL friends with DS's (so trading with D/D/P) and GTS.
Seriously with GTS, the most important question when picking which game is... which colour is cooler? Personally, I think Gold!
Elite Champion, your picture is an old fake from a while back...

Mezase Master May 8th, 2009 8:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite Champion (Post 4624010)

Yeah... that's fake. It popped up way before the announcement.

Elite Champion May 8th, 2009 9:02 AM

Oh.... i was all exited there,

never mind,i still cant wait

Ciervo Volante May 8th, 2009 9:02 AM

SoulSilver, because Silver was my first pokemon game ever. 8D

Maybe I'll talk my brother into getting HeartGold so I can get those version exclusives. <.< >.>

Alexithymia~ May 8th, 2009 9:08 AM

Silver is the first pokemon game I can rememer playing.
So it looks like I'm going to take a blast from the paaast and get SoulSilver.

Harmonie May 8th, 2009 9:11 AM

Heart Gold, I suppose. Ever since I got Red I've always got the "first" color of each generation, why should I change now? =P

TwilightBlade May 8th, 2009 9:20 AM

Both. If not, Heart Gold since I got Gold first.
BUT I WOULD LOVE A CRYSTAL REMAKE, DURR. <3

fenyx4 May 8th, 2009 9:24 AM

Arrgh! I don't know what I'm getting. I haven't played Gen. II games, before, so these games are a definite for me if I can get a DS (along with getting Platinum). HeartGold is appealing because it has Ho-oh, based on my favorite legendary creature, the Phoenix. Also, gold is an imposing, radiant, shining color IMO. :D
But I'm more familar with Lugia (mainly due to hearing its name more often as well as its role in Pokemon: The Movie 2000 - The Power of One. Lugia's entry of rising from the water and the Aeroblast depiction in the moviewere simply EPIC). Furthermore, silver is a nice relaxing color. Plus, it rolls off the tongue nicely in "SoulSilver" :)
So, this is gonna take a while to decide... Anyway, I'm just glad we're at least getting the games! That really helped make my day yesterday! :cer_boogie:

The Real AAA May 8th, 2009 9:25 AM

heart gold cuz gold wuz da first pkmn game i played on da second generation

seeker May 8th, 2009 9:40 AM

SO getting Heart Gold! Gold was my1st 2G game and i still have the guide book for it! So i'm sonna see exactly how different it is! Ahh the good old days! Can't wait for the release!

I Wonder if people will be wanting a R/S/E Remake in a couple years? xD

"Shadow Lugia" May 8th, 2009 9:42 AM

I'll probably hve both eventually.

I'll certainly get SoulSilver first, though. Silver is one of, if not my favorite Pokemon game. Lugia is awesome, whereas I never really liked the look of Ho-oh.

Mezase Master May 8th, 2009 9:42 AM

Who the heck would want a R/S/E remake?

Gamewhale May 8th, 2009 9:42 AM

I'll (probably) be getting both.

EagleVision1999 May 8th, 2009 9:47 AM

I'm going to import an englisch version of Soul Silver, since silver is the GenII game I played most.
But maybe I also buy Heart Gold when it comes out in german (Although I think the german title will sound weird... "Herz Gold", oh my)

Razer302 May 8th, 2009 9:48 AM

I will get both at some point but first I want Heart Gold. Have to say I think the new names are terrible.

I would like a R/S/E remake. They are my favourites.

Ivysaur May 8th, 2009 9:57 AM

I'll probably get Silver, since I originally got Gold XD

Dunno, just for the sake of it.

NytewolfAU2k7 May 8th, 2009 11:10 AM

I voted neither, because I think I'll wait till more information is actually known about them, no point getting all excited then finding out only the graphics are different ;)

La Foudre May 8th, 2009 11:36 AM

Seeing as Gold was my first and favorite Pokemon game, HeartGold definitely.

BeachBoy May 8th, 2009 11:57 AM

I originally got Gold, so Heart Gold for me.

IF I'm unable to get both. XD

Percy Thrillington May 8th, 2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 4624459)
I originally got Gold, so Heart Gold for me.

IF I'm unable to get both. XD

The exact opposite for me, haha.

dotKarma May 8th, 2009 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 4624459)
I originally got Gold, so Heart Gold for me.

IF I'm unable to get both. XD


Same here, except I know I'm not getting Silver. My brother never got a chance to play the Johto Games, so I'm gonna let him get Silver. Gold takes up most of my childhood memories anyway.

mikey May 8th, 2009 12:45 PM

I'm going to get SoulSilver =]

Kerotan May 8th, 2009 12:54 PM

SoulSilver FTW.
I'm so excited that Nintendo's Pokemon department is starting to fulfill our needs.
TT_TT
What about crystal? MindCrystal? IntestineCrystal? (Lawl)
But really, I'll probably buy the Silver remake, AND the Crystal remake. (If there is one)

The Wave May 8th, 2009 12:54 PM

Heart Gold all the way. I always bought the "Red" versions of the Pokemon games, and I feel Gold more to the "Red" side than Silver.

solaris knight May 8th, 2009 1:27 PM

Gold was my very first game (not just pokémon-I mean like ever), though I may get Soul Silver this time around (Lugia is one of my favourite pokémon). May get both games, re-complete the dex in HeartGold since 1)I'm still missing, like, 5 in my regular Gold XD and 2) Its become a tradition :).

iTzKaizer May 8th, 2009 1:37 PM

Rahhhhhh!!!!!! Yeah! Finally 2 remakes Wooooo!!!!!!! I'm so excited I can't wait till the games are done. People this is going to be GREAT! I'd get Heart Gold. Yay!

Yamikarasu May 8th, 2009 1:42 PM

I am really happy right now. Today is a good day. :3

I will definitely more than likely get both eventually, but I'll probably get Soul Silver first since I got Silver first on the Game Boy.

If these games aren't ten times better than Platinum, I will be a very sad little boy.

jackowacko876 May 8th, 2009 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NytewolfAU2k7 (Post 4624346)
I voted neither, because I think I'll wait till more information is actually known about them, no point getting all excited then finding out only the graphics are different ;)

Even if only the graphics are different, Gold/Silver are great games.

I'd get SoulSilver. Based on how expensive D/P was, I'd only be able to get one, and I prefer Lugia over Ho-oh. Man, I can't wait for them to come out! It'll be way easier to get Lugia/Ho-oh in G4. Seriously, before you needed GC, GBA, Coloseum/XD, GC-GBA Link Cable, and a GBA Pokemon game. Now all you'll need is SoulSilver/HeartGold. (P.S. I wonder when they'll start to be abbreviated, you know like FR/LG, HG/SS.)

True Reign May 8th, 2009 2:05 PM

Silver was probably the best Pokemon game so far and it was my second Pokemon game I have ever gotten.

I still miss my poor Chikorita. XD

fireyboy345 May 8th, 2009 2:09 PM

prolly gonna get silver cuz its one of my favorites. Hopefully you will be able to catch both main legendaries and the legendary dogs wont be hard to find.

madskil72 May 8th, 2009 5:29 PM

I'm getting Soul Silver, because

1. I preferred Silver to Gold anyway, because of the sprites, pokemon, etc..
2. Silver was the first one that I got
3. I <3 Lugia =))

Penumbra May 8th, 2009 5:53 PM

Both ftw. I always loved Silver. Silver is just.. so. Silver.
Gold is so overrated. In terms of mascots, Silver.
Colour, Silver. Pokemon, Silver. First game, Silver.
Silver silver silver! My preferred trainer name is also,
well whaddya know! SILVER! (and my rival is gold).

But I'm getting both so I can:

1) Have two files to play between
so I can't really get bored of my team

2) Fill up my Dex faster, if I win that
Eggo contest for another DS T_T'

3) I wanna get the legendaries x2.

4) Silver will be my main, Gold will be
for Wi-Fi. EVs, Eggs, all that pointless
stuff.

5) My two fave starters: Chikorita and Totodile..
or was it Cyndaquil and Chikorita? Or Totodile and
Cyndaquil!?!?!?!

6) For plenty of other reasons I can't think of.
Oh, this is also my first time to get both versions
and play them simultaneously!



Also, I think the translated names will be different.
Heart Gold, no one will really understand. Soul Silver as well.
The Ho-Oh wings are shaped as a heart, so it might be restrained,
and people won't know why the hell Lugia looks like a dinosaur.
I still don't, either.. It should be Sunshine Gold and Moonlight Silver
or something. Makes sense, too, so I wouldn't be basing your
choices off the name..

professor plum May 8th, 2009 5:55 PM

I'll be importing Soul Silver
And then buying both in America XD;

BHwolfgang May 8th, 2009 5:55 PM

I have already decided on getting Soul Silver. Why? Well....
  1. The name, in my opinion, is better.
  2. I do it for the sake of Lugia.
  3. I prefer Silver more than Gold.
  4. I made a coin toss to see which one I'm getting.

Forci Stikane May 8th, 2009 6:09 PM

My answer is the same as it always has been:

I will have both games reserved and 100% paid for as soon as the option is available.

Lana. May 8th, 2009 6:14 PM

Soul Silver (or whatever it ends up being =3) because I never had the original Silver. I had Crystal and Gold, so... Silver it is. Plus: Lugia > Ho-oh

Ace_McPhail May 8th, 2009 6:22 PM

;_; Why is nobody getting Crystal?
Crystal was definitely my favourite, and the first ever handheld and Pokemon game I got. I think they will make a Crystal Remake cos the three legendary dogs/cats were very much win. Meh, just staying hopeful.

-Ace_McPhail

Ps- I think it''ll be called "Mind Crystal". Heart, Soul, Mind. See what I did there?

Gummy May 8th, 2009 6:24 PM

Well, when I was a kid I bought Pokemon Silver while my bro bought Gold, so I'll probably stick with Silver. But if there was a Crystal remake... *tries to contain fanboyness*

Retro Bug May 8th, 2009 6:39 PM

Both.

If I don't have enough money to get them both at the same time I'll get SoulSilver first and HeartGold second.

alisaie May 8th, 2009 7:03 PM

I honestly don't know which one I'll get. D: I want to say Heart Gold because I never exactly defeated my Gold, but since I love my Silver so much, I think it would be nice to have the DS version of it as well...

Maybe I'll get both. >_> I'll just have to see when it comes out and everything.

Roaring Moon May 8th, 2009 8:39 PM

SoulSilver, just to catch a Lugia that knows Aeroblast.

KurlyFries May 8th, 2009 8:50 PM

I'm getting both because of the sheer greatness of the 2nd generation.
I'm pre-ordering the English versions.
So that would make them the 2nd and 3rd games I ever pre-ordered after Pokemon Emerald.
And I got a crapload of cool stuff with it too, so I'll be looking forward to that almost as much as the games itself. (I dunno why. Better game experience?)

But yeah, I originally got Gold for GBC, but I want both because they both just seem great.
Unless the English name sucks for one of them.
That would change my mind about getting both pretty darn quick.

NDS525 May 8th, 2009 9:16 PM

FINALLY!
Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver!
I'm getting Pokemon Soul Silver!
Why? I grew up with Silver so why not stick with it?
THANK YOU NINTENDO!
Best generation being remade!
http://www.el33tonline.com/images/cache/5931.JPG

MrAPT1 May 8th, 2009 9:27 PM

FINALLY!!! Nintendo must have payed attention. I'm probably gonna get Heart Gold cuz ho-oh's my favorite.

Haza May 8th, 2009 9:29 PM

Heart Gold. I love Ho oh. It sounds like it is meant to be the more girly option too.

jmadude May 8th, 2009 9:40 PM

I'm going to get heart gold because I really want an Ampharos and because Pokemon Gold was the first pokemon game I ever saw.

pokerus34 May 8th, 2009 9:57 PM

I'll buy both...

I'm sure both, in some ways, differ in storylines... So i want to finish both! I'm a fan of G/S... :)

P.S.

Haza May 8th, 2009 10:00 PM

I forgot to mention that I will evetually buy SS but I will just start out with HG

Floris2Burn May 9th, 2009 1:36 AM

I had gold meny years ago, might want to get soul silver now

Cheesymitten May 9th, 2009 1:51 AM

I'm definetly getting Heart Gold, my brother will probably get Silver not to copy me, but i never actually played the Gold or Silver games...It should be fun!

Banjora Marxvile May 9th, 2009 2:02 AM

I might get Soul Silver, or Both. In fact, I probably wil get just Soul Silver, and hope my friend gets Heart Gold.

Evilyn May 9th, 2009 2:13 AM

If I'm getting any of them it'll probably be SoulSilver. Just because I like the name more and Lugia's badass.

Swift! May 9th, 2009 2:14 AM

I will be getting HeartGold, because Gold was the first Pokemon game I ever played.

DrazenHayato May 9th, 2009 3:13 AM

both, because of version exculsives

Lady Gaga May 9th, 2009 3:25 AM

Im actually probably gooing to get HeartGold

All my life ive always loved Lugia and Silver

But now that i think about it, the original GOld never got loving from me, and it had way better Pokemon (aside from Lugia <3 but you could still catch it anyways)

So its time to give HeartGold some Loving! So ya, (lol srry for cheesy line over there :P)

Mitchman May 9th, 2009 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrazenHayato (Post 4626250)
both, because of version exculsives

Hopefully they aren't idiots and remember the roots of the game with both legends available. Its only right!

DrazenHayato May 9th, 2009 3:38 AM

but nintendo always does the version exculsive crap every game and not just legendaries


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