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XxDawnfanxX June 22nd, 2009 8:57 AM

I don't think they'd take out the Johto balls, it wouldn't be the same without them. Kurt going to the Slopoke well and you going to stop Team Rocket was pretty big, then he awarded you with a ball and told you if you had any acorns to come back to him. I am pretty sure they will have the different kinds of Johto balls.

JP June 22nd, 2009 9:14 AM

Couldn't they keep the Johto balls and when they get transfered over to D/P/Pt they just become regular Pokeballs? Or maybe corresponding Gen III balls?

Artemis June 22nd, 2009 9:22 AM

The thing with translating a ball to known coding for DPPt would just make no sense as people would want to keep the ball used to capture their Pokémon. The best idea they could possibly do is interpret the newer generation balls with the apricorns. The reason why I say this is because it makes things a lot simpler for compatability reasons. Not to mention, it'll still give the apricorns and Kurt a point for being held within the game. I would love for the Johto balls to come back, but then you've got to think of all the possibilities as well. So, at least Kurt will be back, but if they can simply use the apricorns to transfer into the making of the Third and Forth Generation balls, then so be it as it isn't something that'll majorly disturb me. However, some may ask, "Well, what about if we trade over the Apricorns?" To me, I think for the solution to this problem so we can at least have the apricorn feature back is to store them within their own slot for the player's bag. Just like how Key items are stored and not able to be held, then the samething can easily be done for the apricorns. We'll see how it turns out though, because there hasn't been a single Apricorn Tree sighted as yet from the map nor from the insight of the scans.

JP June 22nd, 2009 9:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Aero. (Post 4774153)
The thing with translating a ball to known coding for DPPt would just make no sense as people would want to keep the ball used to capture their Pokémon.

How would it not make sense? The balls are meant to be used within HG/SS. I don't see how it would bother people who want to transfer them over to the other games. It seems like a reasonable plan to me.

Don't get me wrong though. I do too agree that it would be much simpler to bring in the Gen 3 balls rather than bringing back the Johto balls. But such a thing is capable of hindering many Gold/Silver fans, and that "nostalgic" feeling of the game.

Sweet Smoochum June 22nd, 2009 9:37 AM

Why don't they have an Apricorn case? They don't have to be attachable to the Pokemon. Also, Kurt could give you a special bag specifically for his Apricorn balls. That way, they won't have be traded over. I really hope they don't get rid of Fast Ball, Lure Ball, Love Ball, Moon Ball, etc.

Artemis June 22nd, 2009 9:46 AM

The thing about the Pokéballs, and if you look at the relations that the DPPt Pokéballs in you might notice they could have been done on purpose. Okay, we know that the games have been in thought since three years ago, which was basically around the same time Diamond and Pearl came out. If you look at it closely:

- The Moon Ball made back in Gold and Silver worked best at night, and when DPPt came out a Pokéball was made that worked best at night as well, which is what we know as the Dusk Ball.

- Then there is the Love Ball, which creates the bond between your Pokémon and you, the player grow faster. The Luxury Ball does exactly that, which gives this another connection.

- The Fast Ball, has an easy relation with the Quick Ball we use today.

The pattern and connection from the exclusive Gold and Silver Balls continues on with the newer designed Pokéballs that are used for specific cases. So, if you really think about it, Game Freak could have easily done this on purpose knowing that when they new remakes were to be released the newer generation balls could have easily been used to replace those that Kurt had designed before. They share the same use, and same equality in pattern. This is what has gotten people thinking and the possibility of it working is high, but we still need confirmation on it. Having Kurt back is understandable as he does play a small role in some events, such as the Celebi game event including the GS Ball. However, the sighting of an Apricorn tree has not been seen as yet and no information has really been given out about it. So, like we are doing now [speculation] is all we can really continue doing about this matter. However, there are connections between the balls, and we'll have to see what will be done.

HeartGoldnSoulSilver June 22nd, 2009 11:03 AM

Let's Surf
 
I've always wanted to be able to actually see the pokemon I was surfing on instead of seeing a lapras, wailmer, etc. Do you think it's possible that they've added this feature into Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

*Keep in mind there are some small pokemon that can learn surf.

Ineffable~ June 22nd, 2009 11:10 AM

There's already been a lot of speculation about this in the main speculation thread. You can expect Bobandbill to come around and close this very soon.

HeartGoldnSoulSilver June 22nd, 2009 11:11 AM

Ok, shut me down, I'm ready. T_T

Merric June 22nd, 2009 12:47 PM

It would be awesome if you could see mewtwo in this game, unlike the first time it was released.

bobandbill June 22nd, 2009 2:47 PM

Umm... as others pointed out, this does come under speculation... *moves*

Continue on!

Artemis June 22nd, 2009 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartGoldnSoulSilver (Post 4774552)
I've always wanted to be able to actually see the pokemon I was surfing on instead of seeing a lapras, wailmer, etc. Do you think it's possible that they've added this feature into Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

*Keep in mind there are some small pokemon that can learn surf.

This is what a lot of people are asking. To me it seems very possible, and if it is fulfilled, then you can consider it a change for the game. As it'll definitely be a large improvement as I've stated many times on this question. Not to mention, it'll give the game a closer step to being a bit more realistic, as you'll actually be surfing with your "Surf" partner rather than a set figure such as a Lapras or Wailmer like ride. I'd like to see it happen; I really would because it'll be another small feature that makes the game just a bit better that we could think. However, there are contradictions that many people wonder about. This would happen to be the idea of hacking a Pokémon to learn Surf, when they originally cannot. This is why it may not be allowed, but then again a certain glitch in the game could be used to fix it, but the best thing now is just to wait and see. I'm sure we'll eventually see at least one scan with the player surfing atop the water.

JP June 22nd, 2009 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4774436)
If that "nostalgia" was completely held like glue, TM50 would be Substitute again. If I cared much about nostalgia, I'd be yelling about how Exp. Share isn't remotely as useful as the item it replaced. If we cared so much about nostalgia, a lot of things would be stagnant.

Just going by what I've seen on this forum. A lot of people are concerned about that "nostalgia" sir. I for one don't care for it as much as others, I was just making discussion... as shown in that post you quoted.

As for that surf sprite, I too would love to actually see the Pokemon you're using to show up rather than a default sprite. For some reason though, I doubt we'll see it happening, at least not in this game. :/

Stop Messing Up My Files, Porygon-Z! June 23rd, 2009 6:45 AM

Battle Tower.

Maybe they'll even create a Battle Frontier.

Ineffable~ June 23rd, 2009 7:11 AM

Well, there's that mist over there (as I heard someone say) where the Battle Tower was in Crystal. But it seems like a pretty big cloud for just one Tower, so maybe it's a whole Frontier they built there.

Midnight_1987 June 24th, 2009 2:37 PM

But...What about the Heavy ball?
I think...maybe they ´won´t put the apricorn ball...but maybe the add some new ones...

Artemis June 24th, 2009 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight_1987 (Post 4783765)
But...What about the Heavy ball?
I think...maybe they ´won´t put the apricorn ball...but maybe the add some new ones...

Honestly, I would prefer the old ones over any new ones. The reason being is because seeing as though DPPt doesn't apply to the old Apricorn Balls, calling for new ones would only complicate the matter more. Not to mention, the fans who seek a more nostalgic feel might create a small uproar for changing the old balls to something new. However, if they can simply incorporate the newer generation balls with the apricorns, then it'll simplify the problems. Things like the heavy ball, now even though they haven't made a ball to relate to it such as other, it may be removed [or not].

Honestly though, I wouldn't mind having the old Johto Apricorns back along with Kurt's exclusive Pokéballs. If it worked with the transfering of RBY and GS, then I'm sure something could easily be fixed to allow access with them in DPPt. Overall, some way or the other, something will be clearified with this matter, but it is a matter of when. I'd like for it to return, but if it doesn't, then I think I can understand.

Ellie June 24th, 2009 3:38 PM

Well, it worked for RBY-GSC because back then the game didn't store what Ball you caught your Pokemon in; every single one looked the same. Now, the Pokeball is on your status screen and it appears when you send out a Pokemon and stuff, so it actually makes a difference in your Pokemon's data. They could do something like change all the balls to Pokeballs when transfered to DPPt pretty easily, but they'd have to do something.

Asztrik June 24th, 2009 3:50 PM

They may update the balls to the DPPt ones, but they don't all match up exactly...

Ellie June 24th, 2009 3:57 PM

They could, but imo that'd seem a little pointless since you can already buy them in the other 4th gen games for 1000 pokedollars or less. It seems like Kurt's balls are supposed to be more special than that. But I guess if they're free it's not that bad.

Foxnordic June 24th, 2009 9:04 PM

i hope you'll be able to trade pokemon from d/p/pt before getting the national dex, its really annoying that you can only trade after beating the game and getting the dex as in d/p/pt :/

Dark_Shadows June 24th, 2009 9:55 PM

Pokemon Heart gold and Soul Silver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sublime (Post 4627856)
It's already been confirmed that the starter will indeed follow you.
Pretty pumped about that.



i agree more the reason not to evolve it if it stops followin you

XxDawnfanxX June 24th, 2009 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Shadows (Post 4785213)
i agree more the reason not to evolve it if it stops followin you

It could be the case for some people, but I am sure most will still want the strongest possible pokemon especially in their starter. Therefore they will let it get at its strongest evolved stage to prepare for the elite 4, wifi battles etc. Although I am one of the people who does sometimes does not evolve my starter because I love Chikorita xD.

Inferno1 June 24th, 2009 10:15 PM

Do you think there will be contest halls in Jhoto and Kanto
 
Do you think there will be contest halls in Johto and Kanto and if so in what towns

I think there wont be contest but if they were i think they will be in goldenrod and blackthorn Cerulean and Celedon and maybe Saffron

What do you all think

bobandbill June 24th, 2009 10:46 PM

Merged the 'do you think there'll be contests in HG/SS' thread here, as it's speculation.

Personally... I somehow think there won't - if there are, maybe Kanto wouldn't be too bad a place... I'm unsure exactly if I want them in as well or not. Maybe not so much in Johto, given that it was certainly not part of GSC and all, but I don't care too much about it, really.


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