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TheNerdyPotato June 27th, 2009 3:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kellogs (Post 4793455)
Multiply battles would be great,especially if you could rebattle people you fought on WiFi . I never really made any use of the trainer's hall,But to have something similar to the battle ground In Plat would be nice.Cal was great for leveling up though so i hope he stays XD

yeah, they srsly need to make it easier to level up hahaha

bobandbill June 27th, 2009 4:56 AM

Merged thread speculating on the Trainer House in GSC and whether it'd be back in HG/SS and if so what function/s would it serve with the speculation thread.

(And keep posts on topic please - no need to discuss religion or how many grammatical mistakes somebody made in their posts...) =/

Guy June 27th, 2009 5:09 AM

If the Trainer Hall is brought back in Kanto, then I think that would be a good idea. Not to mention, having Cal back would be a big bonus for those who need the training. He would gain your Pokémon quite a few experience points with his Starter Pokémon. However, if the difficulty level of the game is raised to actually have comparison with Platinum, then I would only hope for him to grow stronger as well. Although, back then we didn't have the best moves like we had today, so it is a given that he will have a better move pool for his team when confronting us in battle. Though, seeing as he has the starters, I wouldn't mind each of them knowing the elemental Hyper Beam moves [Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, and Hydro Cannon].

awfulmapper June 27th, 2009 7:42 AM

Has it been confirmed that you'll be able to get both ho-oh and lugia on both versions but at different levels like in the originals?

Mitchman June 27th, 2009 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by awfulmapper (Post 4794117)
Has it been confirmed that you'll be able to get both ho-oh and lugia on both versions but at different levels like in the originals?

Yes it has. We checked the site a bit and it says so.

Kazukii June 27th, 2009 7:48 AM

I'd prefer Ho-Oh meaning I'd choose HeartGold probably but Lugia's pretty cool too.

Precious Tears June 27th, 2009 10:49 AM

I'm thinking if there's gonna be a Pal Park in HG/SS...
But considering the DSi, it'll most likely no Pal Park at all...

Ellie June 27th, 2009 1:32 PM

Yeah, I doubt there'll be a Pal Park. Stupid DSi. But maybe in return we'll get more Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokemon in the Safari Zone or another new area or something.

Perry_ June 27th, 2009 5:42 PM

I think the new idea is you'll be able to catch all pokemon between Platnium, HeartGold and SoulSilver. Someone explained it awhile back, don't remember who though. Anyway they're trying to not be dependant on the GBA games anymore and because of DSi, I doubt there will be Pal Park.

Guy June 27th, 2009 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Perry_ (Post 4796117)
I think the new idea is you'll be able to catch all pokemon between Platnium, HeartGold and SoulSilver. Someone explained it awhile back, don't remember who though. Anyway they're trying to not be dependant on the GBA games anymore and because of DSi, I doubt there will be Pal Park.

Many have speculated on this idea. However, the idea of filling the PokéDex with all 493 Pokémon just with Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, and the new remakes all depends on which Hoenn Pokémon [besides the legendaries and what is not held within the Sinnoh games] will be found alone in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Though, with the conclusion of the DSi having no GBA slots, and games becoming more independent from it, then we can say it is safe to assume that with all the fourth generation games we may be able to complete the PokéDex, without the help of the GBA games. Though, I'm not going to put my word on it as yet, but I do think it possible.

As for the thought on PalPark, it is said to be possible with some of the new areas. For me though, I don't think it may happen in my opinion. Again, this is mainly because of the DSi having no GBA slot and because of how dependent the recent games are becoming off of them. I do keep it as a possibility, but they can replace that idea with something else that will be more of a benefit to the games and to keep it at most current. Plus, if swarms and the PokéRadar come back, this can make it all the easier to obtain the rest of the Pokémon without the need of migration.

øbliteration June 27th, 2009 7:39 PM

If the Pal Park idea is false, then how do you think they will incorporate hoenn pokemon? They would seem so out of place in... johto of all places.

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Perry_ June 27th, 2009 7:50 PM

A particular source of mine, who has been correct thus far has said that HG/SS will have Sevii avilable again. This could be wrong but might possibly explain how they plan to incorporate Hoenn Pokemon or perhaps that new area west of Johto could house hoenn pokemon.. Regardless I strongly believe a wide range of Hoenn pokemon will be avilable in the game without the use of pokeradar and swarms.

bobandbill June 27th, 2009 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Perry_ (Post 4796547)
A particular source of mine, who has been correct thus far has said that HG/SS will have Sevii avilable again. This could be wrong but might possibly explain how they plan to incorporate Hoenn Pokemon or perhaps that new area west of Johto could house hoenn pokemon.. Regardless I strongly believe a wide range of Hoenn pokemon will be avilable in the game without the use of pokeradar and swarms.

Any chance for more info on this mysterious source or what they got 'right' so far? Generally one should only really take anything confirmed by places such as Coro Coro magazine or serebii.net, and so forth... =/

Sevii islands are possible, but there's nothing suggesting they will be in as of yet. Also it appears a National dex may be implemented again, meaning if Hoenn Pokemon are in it'll be after the Elite Four at least (which is how the Hoenn legends work in HG/SS...)

I wouldn't discount them leaving out some Pokemon still and putting them into another game, say a Wii RPG. Not likely, but certainly also possible, so I'm not sure we'll see every other missing Pokemon as well.

Ellie June 27th, 2009 9:39 PM

Basically everything is available in DPPt with the exception of a few legends and starters, so there isn't really a need to include a LOT of Hoenn Pokemon. I think it'll be more like FrLg that they had areas later that included a select few later-gen Pokemon, plus new evolutions, plus "imports" from other games. And if they did include some Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokemon, the Safari Zone (if it's put back) is the perfect place to put them since that's seen to be more "exotic" Pokemon anyway. A way that they could implement the Safari Zone and still keep it true to the GSC story would be to have it closed when the player first reaches Fuschia City, and then allow some sort of new side-quest after the main Kanto quest (Sevii Islands anyone?) and the Warden comes back after that. But that's only if they choose to put the Safari Zone in.. which they might not.

Does anyone think they'll give you an opportunity to get either a Hoenn or Kanto starter sometime in the game? Those are some of the few Pokemon that aren't available in any of the 4th gen games as of right now. If they do, I hope it's not like Emerald that you have to finish the whole regional dex and then you only get to pick one ;x

Precious Tears June 28th, 2009 4:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie (Post 4795181)
Yeah, I doubt there'll be a Pal Park. Stupid DSi. But maybe in return we'll get more Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokemon in the Safari Zone or another new area or something.

Stupid DSi xD
You're right. But actually I was thinking that we'll have no "bonus" then...
Like the ones that if the GBA game pak in slot 2, there are some "exotic Pokemon" will appear in DPP, right?
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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 4796723)
Sevii islands are possible, but there's nothing suggesting they will be in as of yet. Also it appears a National dex may be implemented again, meaning if Hoenn Pokemon are in it'll be after the Elite Four at least (which is how the Hoenn legends work in HG/SS...)

We have Johto, Kanto and Sevii Isle in HG/SS, wow we have 3 regions!! [=
Kyogre can be capture in HG/SS right?
I'm wondering if we're gonna have Dive as HM again, considering that Marine Cave in Emerald's location is in the ocean...

I'm also thinking of if there's gonna be some special DSi, maybe a Golden one and a Silver one, with Ho-Oh and Lugia print on the DS.

Banjora Marxvile June 28th, 2009 5:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Icicle Dance (Post 4797749)
Stupid DSi xD
You're right. But actually I was thinking that we'll have no "bonus" then...
Like the ones that if the GBA game pak in slot 2, there are some "exotic Pokemon" will appear in DPP, right?

I doubt about the exotic pokemon, as I think that is why they are creating HG and SS, to make people who have a DSi but no DS get the pokemon they cannot get on DP, due to the GBA games. Makes sense, as they are using remakes to reintroduce the old pokemon into the new when the old and new can't connect (such as Red and Blue with Ruby and Sapphire, so they created Firered for that).

Pokestick, good times. June 28th, 2009 7:31 AM

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I dunno if this has been discussed before, but can someone take a look at this??
That thing, what is that?? A new HMthing maybe, a ledge... Post your ideas...
Again, if this has been already discussed, then tell me, and I'm sorry.
The pic's in attachment, since I can't get Insert Img. to work.

Mitchman June 28th, 2009 7:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pokestick (Post 4798245)
I dunno if this has been discussed before, but can someone take a look at this??
That thing, what is that?? A new HMthing maybe, a ledge... Post your ideas...
Again, if this has been already discussed, then tell me, and I'm sorry.
The pic's in attachment, since I can't get Insert Img. to work.

Just a blocking thing nothing important. What is important is that it seems side enterances are in...

Guy June 28th, 2009 8:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Icicle Dance (Post 4797749)
We have Johto, Kanto and Sevii Isle in HG/SS, wow we have 3 regions!! [=
Kyogre can be capture in HG/SS right?
I'm wondering if we're gonna have Dive as HM again, considering that Marine Cave in Emerald's location is in the ocean...

I'm also thinking of if there's gonna be some special DSi, maybe a Golden one and a Silver one, with Ho-Oh and Lugia print on the DS.

Well, the Sevii Islands aren't confirmed, actually neither is Kanto. However, for Kanto we have sightings of Route 22, so it leads us to think that Kanto will more than likely be back. However, Kygore is found in HeartGold, while Groudon is located in SoulSilver. when both are traded into one game, you can access Rayquaza for yourself. Now, going back to Kanto and the Sevii Islands, it doesn't bother me if it will return or not, but if it does, then I expect some major changes being done to it.

As for HM Dive, I wouldn't say it'll be brought back as an HM or else that will kind of mess up connection with DPPt, seeing as it is a TM there. Though, I'm sure, just like dig, we might be able to use it if this is the case. Whichever, a nice feature will be brought back because traveling underwater was quite original and new in RSE.

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Originally Posted by pokestick (Post 4798245)
I dunno if this has been discussed before, but can someone take a look at this??
That thing, what is that?? A new HMthing maybe, a ledge... Post your ideas...
Again, if this has been already discussed, then tell me, and I'm sorry.
The pic's in attachment, since I can't get Insert Img. to work.

To me, the small area you pin pointed looks much like a ditch. It may just be where an item may be held for us to obtain or it could be blocking the way to the next building. Whichever, I'm sure when the game is released we will obtain new information on this area.

PokemonLeagueChamp June 28th, 2009 8:46 AM

I have a question. Can the Pikachu-colored Pichu be obtained from anywhere outside of Japan? If not, that's a whole in-game event in HG/SS that the rest of the world cannot obtain.

Guy June 28th, 2009 8:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 4798424)
I have a question. Can the Pikachu-colored Pichu be obtained from anywhere outside of Japan? If not, that's a whole in-game event in HG/SS that the rest of the world cannot obtain.

As of right now, the Pikachu Colored Pichu was obtained in the 12th movie event in Japan. However, because of capability with Wi-Fi, there are certain people here trading legit Pikachu Colored Pichus. As for it being held as an event outside of Japan, I wouldn't expect that until the 12th movie comes out in each country for others to obtain the event for the Pichu on their own.

More than likely, it will be held outside of Japan, and at least in the US it will for the most part as well. I'm sure this won't be an exclusive Japan only event as the Gizamimi Pichu [Notched Ear] is quite special for the remakes and I don't think Game Freak will risk the loss in money for this, when they can earn more by holding up the event outside.

Precious Tears June 28th, 2009 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjora Marxvile (Post 4797918)
I doubt about the exotic pokemon, as I think that is why they are creating HG and SS, to make people who have a DSi but no DS get the pokemon they cannot get on DP, due to the GBA games. Makes sense, as they are using remakes to reintroduce the old pokemon into the new when the old and new can't connect (such as Red and Blue with Ruby and Sapphire, so they created Firered for that).

Hmm... I guess you're right. (Note to self: There's a possibility for R/S remake on Gen V.)

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Originally Posted by Let's Get Lost Together. (Post 4798303)
As for HM Dive, I wouldn't say it'll be brought back as an HM or else that will kind of mess up connection with DPPt, seeing as it is a TM there. Though, I'm sure, just like dig, we might be able to use it if this is the case. Whichever, a nice feature will be brought back because traveling underwater was quite original and new in RSE.

It's not a TM on DPP, just a tutor move on Platinum!!
But thinking that Kyogre is version exclusive, I think there's no possibility for the move Dive to be HM.

Guy June 28th, 2009 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Icicle Dance (Post 4800017)
Hmm... I guess you're right. (Note to self: There's a possibility for R/S remake on Gen V.)


It's not a TM on DPP, just a tutor move on Platinum!!
But thinking that Kyogre is version exclusive, I think there's no possibility for the move Dive to be HM.

I don't know what made me think of Dive being a TM within DPPt, but nevertheless as I do recall it was a tutor move. However, because of this being so and not everyone always taking the oppotunity to teach their Pokémon Dive by a move tutor, I have a strong belief that Kyogre will not be found by diving underwater. Though, even if I place this in speculation there is one idea that I have in mind.

If the fifth generation games come back out in the next few years with Dive being an HM, then I would think this as a huge possibility of having Ruby and Sapphire as a remake afterwards. I know it wouldn't be placed as a TM later on if these current 100 keeps going on, but this idea is just based on what I have gathered for now.

Although, with all the water routes and new cave locations, I really think that Kyogre and Groudon will be found in one certain cave. Also, seeing as they are both exclusive to each game and more than likely won't be found roaming I have a hunch that they will be situated in the same area except with a different nature around it [water vs. land/fire].

Ellie June 28th, 2009 7:19 PM

Well, what happens in the 5th gen is totally up in the air for now, so it's kinda useless to speculate on what could happen there :P

As for Dive, yeah, I doubt that it'll be used in HgSs for Kyogre... especially since that means only one game would need it, which seems a little off to me. It'll probably just be sitting in a pond-type thing or something. And yeah, I agree, there'll probably be a new area that's almost the same for both games just one is all magma-y and one is watery or something.

Pokestick, good times. June 29th, 2009 8:09 AM

I was thinkin'... People have been talkin' 'bout how they want the sprites in HGSS to be like in Crystal, with such animations and so on... Well, since the FireRed/LeafGreen used heavily revamped Yellow sprites, then this should not be that unimaginable (if that's a word...)... The point is, They would probably be like the Crystal ones...
Although, that doesn't make them Crystal-remakes, and so the thaught of havin' Kris as the female trainer sounds kinda dumb... I mean, Kris isn't even supposed to exist in GS, as she simply is Crystal. It would, when you think 'bout it, be like hopin' that the Torn world wouldexist in a DP remake... Really nice, but it's just not gonna happen.


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