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Waki Tobaye May 11th, 2009 3:09 PM

New Evolution ways and Alternative Formes?
 
I made this thread to talk about how do you think that Pokémon like Eevee(Glaceon and Leafeon), Magneton(Magnezone) and Nosepass(Probopass)evolve? o.o Because the MossRock and the IcyRock are located on Sinnoh Routes and Mt Coronet is also on Sinnoh... oOo

Also... How will Shaymin change formes? and Deoxys? .o. (I'm not asking Giratina because it has an item xD) Shellos and Gastrodon, too... Will they have new formes(They had West and East)?

What's your opinion?

Ooka May 11th, 2009 3:11 PM

They're very easily traded over I'm sure. xD

Not every Pokemon has to be in the game. And even still, they might just choose locations in the games for new rocks.

(I'm mainly talking about Glaceon and Lefeon obviously. xD

Artemis May 11th, 2009 3:12 PM

Deoxys, it has been stated that there might be a new form for it in the Johto, but if not then it might be safe to assume that whatever form you trade your Deoxys, it will stay the same, I guess I'm on the fence with this one.

As for Shaymin, good question. they could possibly add something about the Gracidea Flower again after the Elite or so.

For Nosepass, Megnezone, and the new Eeveelution, I would presume that you must trade them over to your DPPt game, evolve it there, and then trade it back.

BHwolfgang May 11th, 2009 3:19 PM

That, or you can change Shaymin's form at all.

Yeah, you'll probably have to trade them to D/P/P and trade them back. One could always import stones from their D/P/P?

ToraSushii May 11th, 2009 3:25 PM

For the Nosepass and etc Pokemon, I think they will put a place where we can evolve them. Maybe. That's just what I think.

xxChazxx May 11th, 2009 3:39 PM

Gastrodon and Shellos. I remember hearing about an unused sprite. I believe this was it: http://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/spr_4dp_423_beta.png

Waki Tobaye May 11th, 2009 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xxChazxx (Post 4633213)
Gastrodon and Shellos. I remember hearing about an unused sprite. I believe this was it:

Oh! That's right! Shellos line has alt. formes too!
I think they could make North and South Shellos and Gastrodon's formes. That'd be cool =)

Virtual Chatot May 11th, 2009 3:54 PM

Obviously they'd be traded over or they'd give us a way to do it ourselves.

( Moss Rock in Ilex Forest, Frost Rock in Ice Cave? )

xxChazxx May 11th, 2009 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent TBY (Post 4633248)
Oh! That's right! Shellos line has alt. formes too!
I think they could make North and South Shellos and Gastrodon's formes. That'd be cool =)

idk, I think it'd only be available after the Elite Four or only in Kanto. Plus, that's the only sprite I could find.


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Originally Posted by Macintosh (Post 4633255)
Obviously they'd be traded over or they'd give us a way to do it ourselves.

( Moss Rock in Ilex Forest, Frost Rock in Ice Cave? )

But, they would'nt be known to the Johto Dex. I think if there are landmarks for this, they'd be after the Elite Four.

invisible-chan May 11th, 2009 4:48 PM

*coughLeafstonecough* I really don't know. I'm betting you'll just have to trade like what everyone else says.

JP May 11th, 2009 4:56 PM

I'm rather interested in that beta of Gastrodon. Maybe we'll see a proper version in these remakes. I'd love to see the original design for it.

Mr. bell May 11th, 2009 5:10 PM

New Gastrodon and Shellos forms are very possible, and I hope that we'll see new patterns on mantyke back.
As for the eeveelutions, I believe that there will be some in game method to evolve them after you receive the national pockedex.
Magnezone and Probopass could maybe evolve through the power planet, though I still think we'll have to trade them to DPPt

Glaceon_ May 11th, 2009 5:11 PM

I don't know if people pointed this out about the Eeveelution forms, but there are four very easy places they could use to utilise the method of evolution for Glaceon and Leafeon.

For the former, the Ice Cave or Seafoam Islands.
For the latter, Ilex Forest or Veridian Forest.

As for Probopass and Magnezone; the other location-evolution Pokemon, they could use Mt. Silver as the evolution location.

Granted, this is just assuming that they are including Generation III and IV Pokemon in HG/SS, which would be the case if comparing it to the remakes of Generation I. the only thing I have to say to those who go, "But they weren't in the original release! Neither Eevee nor Magneton evolved in the originals!!"
- So what? Sevii Islands wasn't in the original release of the Generation I games. Neither was the event with Bill on Cinnabar Island.

Astinus May 11th, 2009 5:19 PM

You know, maybe there will actually be a new location to explore after the Elite Four and after the player gets the National Dex, that would have some ways for the Generation IV Pokemon to evolve.

Or it'll just be some places in either Kanto or Mt. Silver. Some place after the Elite Four are defeated and the National Dex is received.

But it wouldn't surprise me that Nintendo would expect people to have all the other games, and ways to trade to get those Gen IV Pokemon. Some way to make them gain more money. XD

Mr. bell May 11th, 2009 5:20 PM

What do you think that they'll do with all of the pokemon that evolve while learning a move(like Tangel Piloswine etc). Doy you think it will be possible to evolve them before obtaining the national dex, or it will be like the Happiness based evolution in FRLG?

Gummy May 11th, 2009 5:22 PM

I remember one of Shellos' pokedex entries saying that it's appearance changes depending on the region, and then there's that unused sprite, so it might get a new form. I don't think there should be any new formes since I'm really getting tired of the concept. As for evolution methods, I hope they are only possible in the Kanto region so as to maintain the authenticity of the Johto Region.

Shem May 11th, 2009 5:40 PM

well, I'm going to guess that...
A. The cave with RED in it has the same megnetic properties as mount coronet or...
B. They will have a process (possibly at the power plant, Cinderbar, or new location in Johto) that Magneton and Nosepass can go through to evolve

As for Eevee, i'm sure they will have new rocks in new locations (possibly entirely new locations like sevii islands is to FR and LG) or a process like the one mentioned.

As for Deoxys, I can't imagine a new form, but I could see the meteors like the ones that transform him in D/P/PT at mount moon.

Ooka May 11th, 2009 5:46 PM

I'm interested in the Gastrodon sprite. I'm thinking maybe they won't have East or West Sinnoh there, so that will be the neutral Gastrodon sprite, which is the sprite it has when it isn't caught in either. Just a guess though.

Jαcκςση May 11th, 2009 7:24 PM

I'm gonna agree with everybody else. New locations for the rocks, (probably in kanto)
Magnezone, etc. in Mt. Silver.

New gastrodon forms would be cool.

Tinhead Bruce May 11th, 2009 8:07 PM

Has anyone here noticed that Nosepass wasn't introduced until Gen III? If it happens that they don't add the Hoenn (or the Sinnoh) pokes in, we won't have to worry about Probopass.

Nick May 11th, 2009 8:15 PM

I am going for no. I'm only saying that due to the fact that remakes are typically restricted to that generation of gaming, and like others said, you can always trade one of those you mentioned above from your Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum version of the game into the new Gold and Silver games.

I could be wrong, but as of now, that's just how I feel about it. I would really like them to incorporate other generations, but since they created Ruby and Sapphire, and then created a remake of the first generation games, I really don't see why they would do that since the FireRed and LeafGreen versions didn't introduce any (that I'm aware of) Pokémon from the third generations.

Azzurra May 11th, 2009 11:18 PM

There could possibly be other alternative ways for evolving those mentioned Pokemon, but it would have to happen after you trigger a major event/get the national Pokedex. (The same thing happened in Fr/Lg). I'm not entirely sure about Gastrodon having a new evolution because they really didn't change much evolution wise in Fr/Lg... so why would they do differently with Hg/Ss?

balkj06 May 11th, 2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Glaceon_ (Post 4633502)
Granted, this is just assuming that they are including Generation III and IV Pokemon in HG/SS, which would be the case if comparing it to the remakes of Generation I. the only thing I have to say to those who go, "But they weren't in the original release! Neither Eevee nor Magneton evolved in the originals!!"
- So what? Sevii Islands wasn't in the original release of the Generation I games. Neither was the event with Bill on Cinnabar Island.

well there HAS TO BE A MAJOR DIFFERENT if there isn't well they they can't have a HGSS manga, which will be really bad

Mr. bell May 11th, 2009 11:42 PM

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well there HAS TO BE A MAJOR DIFFERENT if there isn't well they they can't have a HGSS manga, which will be really bad
Why wouldn't them make a HGSS manga? many manga fans admires GSC and want them to have a greater role in the manga...

Azumi May 12th, 2009 5:40 AM

I heard DPPt and HGSS are compatible (?) so people can just trade those Pokemon over to HGSS. Easy.

And besides, I think they did the remakes is either because:
a) They wanted GSC Pokemon to be able to trade over to DPPt, since GSC Pokemon can in no way be traded over to DPPt, thus completing the National Dex (or vice versa, I really dunno...);
or
b) They just wanted to remake the games. End of story.

Take your pick.

GFA May 12th, 2009 5:47 AM

New Gastrodon formes, and that's it. You couldn't get Espeon or Umbreon in FrLg, so yuou won't be able to get Leafeon or Glaceon in HgSs.

Maybe Shaymin will get a third and fourth forme, but I think its unlikely...

Plus, I agree with Azumi. They should be compatible, remeber the hacked data saying it came from Johto

Artemis May 12th, 2009 6:32 AM

There were new rumors on the Gastrodon forms, and it's either they add them in before the National Dex, only if they add in the newer GEn pokémon before...or they allow it to be available after the Elite.

The games DPPT and HHSS will be compatible most likely.

For the post above, I highly doubt Shaymin will be getting any more forms, it would seriously be too much and wouldn't make much sense.

iTzKaizer May 12th, 2009 6:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. bell (Post 4634384)
Why wouldn't them make a HGSS manga? many manga fans admires GSC and want them to have a greater role in the manga...

They wouldn't make a HG/SS manga because if they only remake the game but don't add some more features or new places to explore, then HG/SS would be similar to the G/S/C manga, almost the same, since it has the same characters, same people...

As in FR/LG,, they added the Sevii Islands and the manga was based of them.

In this, people's opinions doesn't matter: If they don't have ideas to base the manga, then no manga for us.

Ivysaur May 12th, 2009 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Abercrombie (Post 4633966)
I am going for no. I'm only saying that due to the fact that remakes are typically restricted to that generation of gaming, and like others said, you can always trade one of those you mentioned above from your Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum version of the game into the new Gold and Silver games.

I could be wrong, but as of now, that's just how I feel about it. I would really like them to incorporate other generations, but since they created Ruby and Sapphire, and then created a remake of the first generation games, I really don't see why they would do that since the FireRed and LeafGreen versions didn't introduce any (that I'm aware of) Pokémon from the third generations.

You could get third gen. pokes in the 4-7 Islands, which you could access after beating the League. So I think that, after beating Kanto/Mt. Silver, we'll be allowed to get D/P/P pokémon into G/S as well (maybe in Fuchsia's Safari Zone or in a new area), and some extras. But I doubt we'll get any third-fourth pokémohn, less new forms, during the normal game.

Artemis May 12th, 2009 9:15 AM

Adding in Some Sinnoh Pokémon in the Safari after the National Dex and such would be fun. Especiialy if they can add some into the Bug Catching competition, after the Nat. Dex is obtained.

Mr. bell May 12th, 2009 12:24 PM

A bug contest with a Mothim! Masquarian! I love that idea.

Artemis May 12th, 2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. bell (Post 4635709)
A bug contest with a Mothim! Masquarian! I love that idea.

There would be quite a few new bug types to add into the contest besides those two. Though, if they did this to add in newer Pokémon it might come in after the Nat. Dex

skenno1 May 12th, 2009 3:49 PM

what about dark cave,tojho falls and sliver cave?am I the only on who remembers them

Artemis May 12th, 2009 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skenno1 (Post 4636332)
what about dark cave,tojho falls and sliver cave?am I the only on who remembers them

They can be added with new Pokémon too or used to evolve certain types, it isn't all confirmed as yet. No one has forgotten them because they were mentioned earlier on in this thread.

Argent Crusader May 12th, 2009 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by iTzKaizer (Post 4634934)
They wouldn't make a HG/SS manga because if they only remake the game but don't add some more features or new places to explore, then HG/SS would be similar to the G/S/C manga, almost the same, since it has the same characters, same people...

As in FR/LG,, they added the Sevii Islands and the manga was based of them.

In this, people's opinions doesn't matter: If they don't have ideas to base the manga, then no manga for us.

I'm really sure they will add a new zone post-Kanto. I'm not really sure of what happened to Giovanni. Maybe I just don't remeber. Anyway, the story with the Team Rocket is surely continued in somewhere else. They always can do that. And obviously the Manga would take this new zone as the theater of operations for Gold and whoever that new Girl is (I really wonder where in the world Kris would be then).
Maybe the Plot will involve Arceus as much FR/LG manga involved Deoxys. Seems to be the case.

Back on topic, we're possibly getting new formes. Shellos and Gastrodon are a given. Manaphy could be, but I doubt since it was the same in Sinnoh and Fiore.
Shaymin can get a new forme once again, or not. Maybe the white rock just is triggered with Oak's Letter like it did in DPPt and nothing else. We go to the island and catch the furball.
Deoxys in Johto/Kanto switch between Attack and Defense formes according to manga. Not sure wich forme is for wich region. But no new Deoxys forme in this game I think.

For evolutions: just no. To evolve them, if they are item-related you may get them post-E4, or post-Red; and if they're zone-related you have to trade them to DPPt.

Mr. bell May 13th, 2009 5:41 AM

I find it hard to believe Shaymin will get new forms once again. If heatrun will be featured in the 12th movies, don't be surprised if we'll catch him after defeating red in one of the caves, or in a new island.

pokerus34 May 13th, 2009 5:43 AM

It would make Evolutions easy if Eevee evolves into Leafeon via Leaf Stone and Glacion via Ice Stone (sorta...) XD

P.S.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 5:44 AM

I think since this is only a remake that there should be those two rocks for Leafeon and Glaceon after you beat the Elite Four. To get to those two rocks maybe there can be an extension in the game like in Emerald?

Artemis May 13th, 2009 7:04 AM

If they added in the Moss Rock and Ice Rock to the game, I would do it somewhere in the Ice cave in one of the Sevii Islands and perhaps the Viridian Forest as well. Just to get the new Eeveelutions without having to go through the hassle of trading with DPPt all the time.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 8:01 AM

An Ice Cave would be pretty cool. A forest will still suit Leafeon anyhow.

Alexithymia~ May 13th, 2009 8:03 AM

I did wonder if they put leafeon and glaceon in the games, how they would evolve?
But still.
New formes would be a nice thing.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 8:08 AM

I would leave new eeveeloutions for the next generation to come.

As for Probopass I wouldn't want an evolution for it.

Artemis May 13th, 2009 8:13 AM

For probopass and such, they can either use the caves and such we'll have in HGSS or have to trade between DPPt...

JJJkraan May 13th, 2009 8:28 AM

In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JJJkraan (Post 4638515)
In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

That would be awesome, I like how you think. The safari zone would be a pretty cool place to have the third generation and fourth generation pokemon there.

Artemis May 13th, 2009 9:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJkraan (Post 4638515)
In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

That isn't actually a bad idea. It gives the game a bit more story for the Safari Zone and adding in the newer Gen pokémon as well.

JJJkraan May 13th, 2009 9:39 AM

Thanks for your positive reactions. The chances of getting a new island is big, and they could locate other third and fourth generation pokemon there too. I was also thinking about adding third and fourth generation to the Johto pokedex, but then it would be a
look-a-like pokemon platinum. In D/P/Pt the found all kinds of ways to add pokemon from the national dex. They are creative enough to add such things.

Artemis May 13th, 2009 10:13 AM

It was a good idea and needed complimenting on...

Also, if they were to add in newer Gen Pokémon to the Johto after the Nat. Dex is obtained, then the bug catching competition needs to be updated after...

Argent Crusader May 13th, 2009 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJkraan (Post 4638515)
In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

It's bassically the same idea the guys at gscplatinum had for they remake. Except that the islands were the warden was on vacations were like lots of safari zones together.
Anyway, I see this quest for open the Safari Zone happening :)

Artemis May 13th, 2009 1:47 PM

The new safari, if added in will most likely have those new generation Pokémon. They would probably redesign the entire safari or they would add in an extra zone to it like they did in Emerald after gaining the Nat. Pokédex.

axlefoley May 13th, 2009 4:16 PM

Maybe for those who evolve by being in Mt Coronet, Evolving in Mt. Moon is a possibility because it wouldn't be part of the Johto dex so it would make sense to get it later on in the game

Dark Sakurati May 17th, 2009 6:15 AM

Hmm... Mantyke?
 
I wonder what Mantyke's pattern on it's back will look like in the Johto region?
Any ideas? A real mystery... Lol!

~Gamehacker64~

arceusmaster2012 May 17th, 2009 10:36 AM

Quote:

I wonder what Mantyke's pattern on it's back will look like in the Johto region?
Any ideas? A real mystery... Lol!

What do u mean? Why would that change?

Artemis May 17th, 2009 11:12 AM

Yeah, I got a little confused, I never even heard of Mantyke's back changing. O_o

Dark Sakurati May 17th, 2009 9:14 PM

Hmmm...
 
What!? You mean you don't know that Mantyke's pattern on it's back differ by region? Well I know because I read every detail of my Pokédex. This is what my Pokédex says on my Pearl version: "Scientists discovered that the distinctive patterns on its back differ by region."

Hmmm...

~Gamehacker64~

Inferno1 May 17th, 2009 10:08 PM

i think they may just add new items and maybe the item magnet can have a new use to evolve them and for leafeon i think they should of just used a leaf stone like it even has leaf in the name

MetalMario May 17th, 2009 10:19 PM

A new Shellos forme, like yellow, would be cute. (Kanto Shellos? Or found in a mini-region?) It would end up looking like a Sinnoh forme when traded to D/P/P though, so they may not.

The Eevee rocks can be put in new rooms in the Ilex Forest and Ice Cave which are opened up once you get your NatDex. They can make Nosepass evolve anywhere they please, since it wasn't found in G/S/C. Magneton will probably need a new room opened up once you get the NatDex, since Magnetons don't normally evolve in either Kanto or Johto.

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Originally Posted by Gamehacker64 (Post 4651435)
What!? You mean you don't know that Mantyke's pattern on it's back differ by region? Well I know because I read every detail of my Pokédex. This is what my Pokédex says on my Pearl version: "Scientists discovered that the distinctive patterns on its back differ by region."

It might be nice, but you'd run into the same problem as Shellos--that the graphics for it aren't present on D/P/P. (They also said the same thing about Arbok's patterns, but it's never varied ingame.)

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Originally Posted by Inferno1 (Post 4651510)
i think they may just add new items and maybe the item magnet can have a new use to evolve them and for leafeon i think they should of just used a leaf stone like it even has leaf in the name

These all violate the Law of Conservation of Game Mechanics, and so won't be done. I know, I know, Lickitung and Piloswine can learn their evolution moves on GenIII. Shhh.

Artemis May 18th, 2009 9:07 AM

I really wouldn't like it if they use a leaf stone to evolve Leafeon now the Magnet for Magneton. I prefer they simply choose a new spot for them in the Kanto or somewhere.

Predator. May 18th, 2009 9:19 AM

Im guessing stuff like new stones. Or maybe NEW Areas with those things included..

Artemis May 18th, 2009 2:03 PM

I wouldn't think new stones would show up, as DPPt wouldn't have the coding for it. So, I'm guessing a new area would be the probable way Game Freak might take it.

Haza June 9th, 2009 12:14 AM

Pokemon HeartGold & Soul Silver Alternate Forms
 
It can only be expected that we will see a few since we have been graced with them in every new game basically since the GBA games. Its very likely even though it would hurt the hearts of many, it will give the remakes even more flavor and can help them compete with the success od Pokemon Platinum. Its a trend that was recieved quite well and I dont see them stopping.

Ho oh & Lugia - I personally think they will get them most certainly. Heart form and Soul form if you will? Just a fancy way to redistribute their stats and give them new edgy designs.

Suicune - Northern Wind form?

Rotom - Less likely but their are so many more appliances in the world and unused types that the Pokemon could characterize.

Castform - Sand form. The idea is still out there and Sandstorms are officially a weather effect arent they?

Deoxys - Highly speculated but I dont see where it would gain its stat difference from. HP maybe?

Shellos & Gastrodon - Its been confirmed that their designs differ region to region.

All of these ideas could easily be done when you think about it.

Do you guys approve of the idea or resent it? What are your ideas on some of the forms that we should expect?

*Nayz* June 9th, 2009 12:32 AM

I could see the Rotom and Castform thing happening. I wouldn't be totally opposed. I mean it is a new game after all. If it were exactly the same to the T it would be pointless to buy if you already own the original GSC even if it does mean better graphics.

bobandbill June 9th, 2009 12:44 AM

Threads merged here. Given the old thread already had decent discussion and can still be discussed some more.
Quote:

It can only be expected that we will see a few since we have been graced with them in every new game basically since the GBA games. Its very likely even though it would hurt the hearts of many, it will give the remakes even more flavor and can help them compete with the success od Pokemon Platinum. Its a trend that was recieved quite well and I dont see them stopping.

Ho oh & Lugia - I personally think they will get them most certainly. Heart form and Soul form if you will? Just a fancy way to redistribute their stats and give them new edgy designs.

Suicune - Northern Wind form?

Rotom - Less likely but their are so many more appliances in the world and unused types that the Pokemon could characterize.

Castform - Sand form. The idea is still out there and Sandstorms are officially a weather effect arent they?

Deoxys - Highly speculated but I dont see where it would gain its stat difference from. HP maybe?

Shellos & Gastrodon - Its been confirmed that their designs differ region to region.

All of these ideas could easily be done when you think about it.

Do you guys approve of the idea or resent it? What are your ideas on some of the forms that we should expect?
Myself, I'm sceptical of there being many formes about, if any. Lugia and Ho-oh, for instance... just don't really strike me as Pokemon to go about have different formes just like that - and given that they have been around for a good while, it'd seem a bit strange that suddenly they happen to have a forme. =/ Same for Suicune (or any of the dogs); such things would seem to be essentially changing what the Pokemon are and have been established as, really - can't see myself supporting such a thing if it came about.

Rotom formes, I might see, but still a bit doubtful over seeing new ones (there's already 5, and IDK if there'd be much relavance in having new ones for it in Johto/Kanto... far away from Sinnoh and Charon).

Deoxys doesn't really need another form/e either, tbh... and that would, I believe, mean that this forme wouldn't be accessible in D/P/Pt, given the metorites there and all? Castform gaining a Sand form... that's debatable - unsure if this'd happen givent hat they haven't actually bothered to thus far - and how would that work if you used it in a Sandstorm against someone with D/P/Pt? Not sure if that's quite possible - probably could work but there's a bit of a gray area too. (And to be technical, another weather effect from the move 'Shadow Sky' in Pokemon XD did not affect Castform's... form either).

Shellos & Gastrodon seem to have the strongest case, but there's I'm still uncertain of... it is true that there are other sprites for them in D/P/Pt's coding, but it is thought that they are merely beta sprites left in. And I can easily see it that their form stays the same no matter where they are moved to - just depends on what side of Sinnoh they were born in and all...

In all, I'm doubtful we'll actually get any new formes or the such, and not that supportive of them as well. But that's just me, and also, we'll just have to wait and see.

Haza June 9th, 2009 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 4731646)
Threads merged here. Given the old thread already had decent discussion and can still be discussed some more.
Myself, I'm sceptical of there being many formes about, if any. Lugia and Ho-oh, for instance... just don't really strike me as Pokemon to go about have different formes just like that - and given that they have been around for a good while, it'd seem a bit strange that suddenly they happen to have a forme. =/ Same for Suicune (or any of the dogs); such things would seem to be essentially changing what the Pokemon are and have been established as, really - can't see myself supporting such a thing if it came about.

Rotom formes, I might see, but still a bit doubtful over seeing new ones (there's already 5, and IDK if there'd be much relavance in having new ones for it in Johto/Kanto... far away from Sinnoh and Charon).

Deoxys doesn't really need another form/e either, tbh... and that would, I believe, mean that this forme wouldn't be accessible in D/P/Pt, given the metorites there and all? Castform gaining a Sand form... that's debatable - unsure if this'd happen givent hat they haven't actually bothered to thus far - and how would that work if you used it in a Sandstorm against someone with D/P/Pt? Not sure if that's quite possible - probably could work but there's a bit of a gray area too. (And to be technical, another weather effect from the move 'Shadow Sky' in Pokemon XD did not affect Castform's... form either).

Shellos & Gastrodon seem to have the strongest case, but there's I'm still uncertain of... it is true that there are other sprites for them in D/P/Pt's coding, but it is thought that they are merely beta sprites left in. And I can easily see it that their form stays the same no matter where they are moved to - just depends on what side of Sinnoh they were born in and all...

In all, I'm doubtful we'll actually get any new formes or the such, and not that supportive of them as well. But that's just me, and also, we'll just have to wait and see.

I have considered all of this but there is still a feeling inside of me that says otherwise. If they are not afraid to give classic Pokemon new evolutions and pre-evolutions am sure they would give some alternate forms.

Pokedra June 9th, 2009 1:21 AM

I don't think there will be too many new formes.

Perhaps a new Deoxys form but not much else.

blueblur155 June 9th, 2009 5:07 AM

maybe, youll be able to evolve magneton and nosepass at Mt. Silver? (i am sry if this was already resolved on a different post)

TERRA#493 June 9th, 2009 5:26 AM

You will be able to trade them (means, this Pokemon, which are integrated in HG/SS) easily, i think.
In HG/SS possibly Moss Rock is located in the Ilex Forest and Icy Rock in the Icy Path. When you want Shaymin in HG/SS, you surely have to trade it from D/P/PT (in Land or in Sky Form), because the main Legendarys in HG/SS are Lugia, Ho-Oh, (eventually Celebi) and Raikou, Entei, Suicune, not any other-Generation-Legendarys. Nosepass, Magneton could be possibly evolved near the Power Plant, because of the magnetism source.
I think in HG/SS there will be no meteorits for changing Deoxys' form, but if however, the most obvious location are the Ruins of Alph.

>Feelings< June 9th, 2009 7:12 AM

For Glaceon, the Ice Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ice path. It's perfect there.

For Leafeon, the Moss Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ilex Forest. It's perfect there.

For Magneton and Nosepass, the new source of magnetism would best be near the Power plant in Kanto. You just have to level up in the grass just outside the Power Plant.
But another source of this magnetism could be in the Team Rocket base, just where there is a strip of traps which make wild Pokemon appear.

Shaymin's Gracedia Flower could just simply be given by some other person, as simple as that!

For Deoxys, rocks like that could be placed around Ruins of alph. Even though Deoxys is not related to the ruins, the rocks being there seems to be a better fit than the other places.

There will not be any new formes for Shellos and Gastrodon - since their formes actually count as a different Pokemon, and their formes cannot be changed. So, if there was a new forme for it, it couldn't be traded to D/P/Pt.

encas June 9th, 2009 7:24 AM

I'll agree with everyone else and say that they'll put counterparts to the Moss and Icy Rocks somewhere in Johto or Kanto. But I have no idea why they'd put them in Johto unless they altered the Johto Pokedex to include all those new evolutions. So I think the moss rock being in Viridian Forest and the Icy Rock in the Seafoam Islands would be a better bet. This is of course, assuming that those areas aren't cut down as in G/S/C. And Mt. Silver, not being accessible until after Kanto, would be perfect for Nosepass and Magneton.

But as for the move evolution Pokemon, I'd say that they can still learn their moves, but won't be able to evolve. Think FR/LG when you had, say, a Golbat and it tried to evolve but couldn't? I'm thinking something similar will happen here.

Artemis June 9th, 2009 7:39 AM

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Originally Posted by >Feelings< (Post 4732225)
For Glaceon, the Ice Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ice path. It's perfect there.

For Leafeon, the Moss Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ilex Forest. It's perfect there.

For Magneton and Nosepass, the new source of magnetism would best be near the Power plant in Kanto. You just have to level up in the grass just outside the Power Plant.
But another source of this magnetism could be in the Team Rocket base, just where there is a strip of traps which make wild Pokemon appear.

Shaymin's Gracedia Flower could just simply be given by some other person, as simple as that!

For Deoxys, rocks like that could be placed around Ruins of alph. Even though Deoxys is not related to the ruins, the rocks being there seems to be a better fit than the other places.

There will not be any new formes for Shellos and Gastrodon - since their formes actually count as a different Pokemon, and their formes cannot be changed. So, if there was a new forme for it, it couldn't be traded to D/P/Pt.

Now, the Ice Rock and Moss Rock has two different locations where they can be found. Ilex Forest and Viridian Forest are two possible places for the Moss Rock. While on the other hand, Seafoam Islands and the Ice Cave are two other locations for the Ice Rock. The dependent factor on where it is placed is really the uniform of the Pokédex as we do get Eevee in the Johto Region. Seeing as if an Eevee is near one of these locations and simply levels up, then it'll evolve too early, and stopping them from evolving near the rock just because we don't have the National Pokédex simply defeats the purpose of the rocks.

I agree with Nosepass and Magneton as the Power Plant and Mt. Silver come later on in the game. Except, for Nosepass it'll either be caught in the game through swarm, PokéReadar or simply be available, depending on if the remakes take this factor from what was introduced in DPPt.

Shaymin's Gracidea Flower, yes they can simply add someone in to give it to us. More than likely a floral person after we show them we have a Shaymin that comes from Sinnoh, or something along those lines.

Deoxys, could get new forms here. As it can simply revert back to another form afterwards when being changed.

As for Shellos and Gastrodon, this is at the edge for me. As it can be a possible factor seeing as what the Pokédex says. Plus, it was once said Shellos was originall supposed to be placed in RSE instead of DPPt, but never happened. Seeing so, they can possible have a new Shellos and Gastrodon form and work their way around the compatability reasons, but we'll see.

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Originally Posted by encas (Post 4732251)
I'll agree with everyone else and say that they'll put counterparts to the Moss and Icy Rocks somewhere in Johto or Kanto. But I have no idea why they'd put them in Johto unless they altered the Johto Pokedex to include all those new evolutions. So I think the moss rock being in Viridian Forest and the Icy Rock in the Seafoam Islands would be a better bet. This is of course, assuming that those areas aren't cut down as in G/S/C. And Mt. Silver, not being accessible until after Kanto, would be perfect for Nosepass and Magneton.

But as for the move evolution Pokemon, I'd say that they can still learn their moves, but won't be able to evolve. Think FR/LG when you had, say, a Golbat and it tried to evolve but couldn't? I'm thinking something similar will happen here.

Counterparts are very likely, and I think they have a bit slighter chance of appearing in Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest over Ilex Forest and the Ice Cave. You have a point there as it depends on what they plan on doing with the new PokéDex of Johto. I doubt however that these locations will be cut as they are important and needed to catch certain Pokémon and gain certain items in the game.

For the new evolutions, I possibly see them stopping randomly like it was done in FRLG. It'll keep the game from a drastic change and stick to some Johto basics. Of course, GameFreak has the privilage to do as they choose, but I'm hoping that receiving the new evolutions isn't too early, but rather left for us to do a side quest to access trading abaility with DPPt [something similar to which we had to do in FRLG before trading with RSE].

2A4Rulez June 9th, 2009 8:26 AM

I think that HGSS has to be like FRLG meaning that Glaceon and Leafeon won't be available unless you trade them over from Diamond and Pearl or get them off of the GTS. Gen III and IV Pokemon should not be available unless you trade them. To evolve Magneton and Probopass you should have to trade them from you're game over to Diamond or Pearl and level them up at the respective locations.

kingofjokers June 9th, 2009 8:44 AM

in like 90 percent sure they will put new forms for shellos and gastrodon and i think thats all that will be different

Ayselipera June 9th, 2009 9:12 AM

For Glaceon and Leafeon they will probably
just move the rocks over to future games.
As for pokemon like Magnezone and Probopass
I'm not sure. I think Nintendo made a mistake
by making some pokemon only able to evolve in
certain regions. Who knows though they could
just make it that they can evolve in any mountain.

TheAliveTrain June 9th, 2009 9:21 AM

Deoxys - As of Veilstone City's rocks, new rocks can be somewhere in Johto, Kanto or whatever region they'll include, and so, you could change your Deoxys form anytime. It is not probable that a new form will be implemented, as all the others can be get without an item, this one should not be different, and so, it would be unobtainable on the other games.

Shaymin
- If you can see the Potion from Cianwood on Sinnoh, you can also see the Gracidea Flower (or how it is spelt) on Johto. Simple, huh? The same thing is said for possible Arceus issues.

Mantyke
- Nothing will be changed on Mantyke in my honest opinion. The same thing has been said to Arbok, and (although the marks changed from gen. to gen.) their marks have been the same in every region. So, that said from the Pokédex is just to make us (players) believe that there's a whole world and not only a region.

Shellos/Gastrodon - There are unused sprites for them on the DPPt data I guess, so who knows. Although there are no front sprites so it makes me think that we'll get the same east / west forms, and there's nothing wrong with that, as Johto (I mean, as every region) has East and West sides. Plus, Johto could have one form, and Kanto the other one. Want better?

Leafion/Glaceon - There could be new rocks somewhere in Johto. And you'll say that so Eevee can evolve before the Dex gets improved. For that there's Kanto.
(And also pointing out that the first 2 gens are in the Johto Dex, it wouldn't be surprising if they re-organize the Dex and put some pokémons from new generations like those 2 there.)

Magnezone/Probopass
- Just think. They are both magnetic Pokémons (in case you didn't notice), and so, Mt Coronet is not the only place in the (pokémon) world which has special magnetic fields. Now think again. Think of a place like a mountain or a group of them and now of those mountains think of one which separates something (as Mt.Coronet) and which can only be acessed after the Elite4 (to be unable to obtain them before the Dex Upgrade). That's it, Mt.Silver, which is a mountain (a big one), that separates 2 regions (in a certain way) and you only go there after the elite 4 beating.

Azurill/Wynaut/Mismagius/Magmortar/Togekiss and some others -They all need items to evolve, and those items won't be avaliable untill you defeat the Elite4 (So they may be on Kanto).

Lickilicky/Mamoswine - I've seen these names somewhere in this topic, so just to don't create issues i'll give my opinion. On generation III games, you couldn't evolve Golbat to Crobat (Hapiness method) untill you defeated the Elite4, could you? Now just change the Pokémon names and the evolving method.



As for new forms, Unown and Legend Pókemons are the most probable (although there are only 6, being 3 of them a trio).

Note that this is MY OPINION, pure speculation.

Cameo June 9th, 2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAliveTrain (Post 4732535)
Deoxys - As of Veilstone City's rocks, new rocks can be somewhere in Johto, Kanto or whatever region they'll include, and so, you could change your Deoxys form anytime. It is not probable that a new form will be implemented, as all the others can be get without an item, this one should not be different, and so, it would be unobtainable on the other games.

Shaymin - If you can see the Potion from Cianwood on Sinnoh, you can also see the Gracidea Flower (or how it is spelt) on Johto. Simple, huh? The same thing is said for possible Arceus issues.

Mantyke - Nothing will be changed on Mantyke in my honest opinion. The same thing has been said to Arbok, and (although the marks changed from gen. to gen.) their marks have been the same in every region. So, that said from the Pokédex is just to make us (players) believe that there's a whole world and not only a region.

Shellos/Gastrodon - There are unused sprites for them on the DPPt data I guess, so who knows. Although there are no front sprites so it makes me think that we'll get the same east / west forms, and there's nothing wrong with that, as Johto (I mean, as every region) has East and West sides. Plus, Johto could have one form, and Kanto the other one. Want better?

Leafion/Glaceon - There could be new rocks somewhere in Johto. And you'll say that so Eevee can evolve before the Dex gets improved. For that there's Kanto.
(And also pointing out that the first 2 gens are in the Johto Dex, it wouldn't be surprising if they re-organize the Dex and put some pokémons from new generations like those 2 there.)

Magnezone/Probopass - Just think. They are both magnetic Pokémons (in case you didn't notice), and so, Mt Coronet is not the only place in the (pokémon) world which has special magnetic fields. Now think again. Think of a place like a mountain or a group of them and now of those mountains think of one which separates something (as Mt.Coronet) and which can only be acessed after the Elite4 (to be unable to obtain them before the Dex Upgrade). That's it, Mt.Silver, which is a mountain (a big one), that separates 2 regions (in a certain way) and you only go there after the elite 4 beating.

Azurill/Wynaut/Mismagius/Magmortar/Togekiss and some others -They all need items to evolve, and those items won't be avaliable untill you defeat the Elite4 (So they may be on Kanto).

Lickilicky/Mamoswine - I've seen these names somewhere in this topic, so just to don't create issues i'll give my opinion. On generation III games, you couldn't evolve Golbat to Crobat (Hapiness method) untill you defeated the Elite4, could you? Now just change the Pokémon names and the evolving method.

As for new forms, Unown and Legend Pókemons are the most probable (although there are only 6, being 3 of them a trio).

Note that this is MY OPINION, pure speculation.

Well, I think it would make sense if they´d just place those stones that make Deoxys to change it´s form somewhere into Kanto or Johto. After all that´s the way they did in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. It would also be really nice if Deoxys would get a new form, but more cool would be if Deoxys wouldn´t just change it form and also it´s type would change (like Shaymin does).
And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.
I wish that in these games you don´t have to trade all other region´s pokémon trough wifi or from friends like in FR/LG. : P

Artemis June 9th, 2009 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cameo (Post 4732678)
Well, I think it would make sense if they´d just place those stones that make Deoxys to change it´s form somewhere into Kanto or Johto. After all that´s the way they did in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. It would also be really nice if Deoxys would get a new form, but more cool would be if Deoxys wouldn´t just change it form and also it´s type would change (like Shaymin does).
And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.
I wish that in these games you don´t have to trade all other region´s pokémon trough wifi or from friends like in FR/LG. : P

I'd like for them to add in the stones for altering the form of Deoxys. It was a lot simpler than having its forms as version exculsive. They can easily place its rocks either by the ruins or somewhere suitable as it'll fit [in a way]. The idea of it changing its type though isn't absolutely necessary. If it were to change type it'll on be available in that game, because just like Shaymin, if traded back to DP, it'll be its regular land form. Plus, it being a Psychic type fits. Though, by going with your idea, if it had to be another type and form, then I'd say Psychic/Steel would fit best in my own opinion.

As for the location of magneton and Nosepass on where to evolve, either it be Mt. Silver or the Power Plant, it doesn't really bother me. Though, having to trade just to make them evolve would be too much of a hassle for some other people; especially those who do not have DPPt. Though, the reason why they make these games needed with trade ability is so Nintendo and GameFreak earn their money the want to collect, and it is a smart way for them on doing it too.

By the way, on the previous topic with Leafeon and Glaceon. I'd rather them hold the Ice Rock and Moss Rock in the Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest as it may hopefully persuade the game makers to allow the area to expand rather than how it was created smaller back in Gold and Silver.

TheAliveTrain June 9th, 2009 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4732733)
By the way, on the previous topic with Leafeon and Glaceon. I'd rather them hold the Ice Rock and Moss Rock in the Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest as it may hopefully persuade the game makers to allow the area to expand rather than how it was created smaller back in Gold and Silver.

I thought about Viridian to the Moss Rock but I had no place which would fit the Ice Rock :D

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Originally Posted by Cameo
And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.

A power plant does not have so much to do with magnetic stuff at all, though it is linked to electricity. Plus, Mt. Silver was an example, which fits (in my point of view) both Magneton and Nosepass.

Anyway, I just want to get out the idea that you (players) will have to trade every Pokémon because it evolves in an UNIQUE place, which is not true. Leafion and Glaceon are evolved near a Moss Rock and an Ice Rock respectivily, not just from the one in Eterna Forest and the one near Snowpoint. Same thing to Magneton and Probopass, they do not exclusivly evolve in Mt.Coronet, but they do in a certain magnetic place (as they're a magnet and a compass). (And I'll keep this idea till someone proves this wrong xD)

MidTownHD June 9th, 2009 3:17 PM

maybe some trainers will have these pokes, so when we battle them, the pokedex info will be recorded...

bobandbill June 9th, 2009 3:35 PM

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I thought about Viridian to the Moss Rock but I had no place which would fit the Ice Rock
Ice Rock... the best candidate there would be in the Ice Path in Johto, have to say. If it were in Kanto then besides the Seaform Islands (if they expand that from GSC and all) would be the best bet... =/ Or a new, small place altogether.

Pokemon12345678901 June 9th, 2009 4:31 PM

Shellos's Pokedex entries states:
Diamond's -
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Its color and shapes differ from region to region. In the Sinnoh region, two types are confirmed.
Pearl -
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It lives along bodies of water. Its body shape has changed to suit its habitat.
There is also unused sprites for Gastrodon and Shellos.
Here is some pictures
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/07/Spr_4dp_423_beta.png
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/4/41/Spr_4dp_422_beta.png

Ooka June 9th, 2009 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon12345678901 (Post 4733643)

Erm, I could have sworn that one was in D/P/Pt xD

Gulpin June 9th, 2009 5:19 PM

For Mt. Coronet evolutions, there will probably be an item available at some point in the game that is like a 'Coronet Rock Piece' or somthing like that, that you attatch to the Pokemon to evolve. For shaymin you probably have to wait until you get at some point in Kanto, as Oak mentioned somthing about a similar place to find shaymin in Kanto. You will probably be a Gracedia flower somewhere in Kanto/Johto too for form changes. Eevee will probably have an item just like for Mt. Coronet evos, or rocks placed around Kanto and Johto just like the ones in Sinnoh. There will probably be meteors in Johto/Kanto for deoxys as there were in Vielstone (i think) in Sinnoh. Shellos and Gastrodion will hopefully get new forms for the region, as the pokedex entry said somthing about different forms for each region.

varial295 June 9th, 2009 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Azumi (Post 4634838)
I heard DPPt and HGSS are compatible (?) so people can just trade those Pokemon over to HGSS. Easy.

And besides, I think they did the remakes is either because:
a) They wanted GSC Pokemon to be able to trade over to DPPt, since GSC Pokemon can in no way be traded over to DPPt, thus completing the National Dex (or vice versa, I really dunno...);
or
b) They just wanted to remake the games. End of story.

Take your pick.



well notice that after they made ruby and saphire they made firered and leafgreen so llook at that pattern there because its
ruby sapphire.
fire red leafgreen
diamond pearl.
heart gold soul silver

Ooka June 9th, 2009 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by varial295 (Post 4733942)
well notice that after they made ruby and saphire they made firered and leafgreen so llook at that pattern there because its
ruby sapphire.
fire red leafgreen
diamond pearl.
heart gold soul silver

Well, you can't quite call it a pattern yet, as it could merely be coincidence. :/

Artemis June 9th, 2009 6:26 PM

I'd call it a pattern as Pokémon is known for making reptition in their work, but then again it is a little too early for a call. Anyway, I'm pretty sure a new Gastrodon forme is possible for the remake seeing as though DPPt has left over coding for it. If it does, then I'd really be glad to see a front sprite of it over a back sprite given from Bulbapedia. Except, I cannot help but think if it'll be available by swarm in the Kanto and Johto or will it be available before the Dex, which I hope not as I'd like the original PokéDex to stay like how it was in the original.

Though, it is stated that Shellos and Gastrodon's appearance depends on their location. So, I'm simply wondering if GameFreak won't be lazy to use the same new Shellos and Gastrodon form in both Johto and Kanto because they are next door regions. Or, will they make them different to support the PokéDex definition of it. It'll definitely be interesting with a new form of Shellos and Gastrodon around though.

Ayselipera June 9th, 2009 6:43 PM

Ughh, I'm so sick of forms of pokemon.
We don't need another Gastrodon form.
Gastrodon is Gastrodon no matter how
many different colors they throw on it.
Instead of wasting time making new
forms make new better pokemon.

iTzKaizer June 9th, 2009 7:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn27 (Post 4734029)
Ughh, I'm so sick of forms of pokemon.
We don't need another Gastrodon form.
Gastrodon is Gastrodon no matter how
many different colors they throw on it.
Instead of wasting time making new
forms make new better pokemon.

New pokemon are left for new generations.

Pan!ko June 9th, 2009 11:46 PM

Probably made so that u can't get them other than through trade. That way DPPt won't be 4gotten and people will keep on playing even after the game comes out.

Haza June 10th, 2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ɐʞoo (Post 4733741)
Erm, I could have sworn that one was in D/P/Pt xD

Its unuesed. it combines features from both the east and west Shellos.

Wings Don't Cry June 10th, 2009 1:10 AM

I wasn't sure about this but was it possible to evolve your Chansey and Evee through happiness in Fr/Lg before the national dex because if it was I think it is very likely the mos rock and ice rock will be in Ilex forest and Ice path

YellowPen June 10th, 2009 2:51 AM

How about West/East Gastrodon for Kanto/Jhoto respectively

and dont they the mention about the white rock in Kanto in D/P/Pt?
because that could be used for alternative forms as the player would have a their national dex

im sure they will include most alternative forms.

Ultra Ball X June 10th, 2009 5:09 AM

I just hope they don't have any more stupid baby forms so pointless....

Ooka June 10th, 2009 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ℍ a z a (Post 4734669)
Its unuesed. it combines features from both the east and west Shellos.

That's probably why I was recognizing it. I could have sworn I'd seen it before. xD

Elena June 10th, 2009 7:49 AM

This may be a fourth generation game, but you have to remember that it is a remake of the SECOND generation games. Thus there will most likely not be ways to evolve them at all.
That's when trading comes in handy.

Artemis June 10th, 2009 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Ball X (Post 4735109)
I just hope they don't have any more stupid baby forms so pointless....

I know they won't give up on baby stages for some Pokémon. Though, you can't expect any new baby stages of Pokémon seeing as the game is a remake and new a new Generation. As, a new baby Pokémon for an older Generation monster is something new, unlike a form, which would be just an alternative.

Ineffable~ June 10th, 2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Glaceon_ (Post 4633502)
I don't know if people pointed this out about the Eeveelution forms, but there are four very easy places they could use to utilise the method of evolution for Glaceon and Leafeon.

For the former, the Ice Cave or Seafoam Islands.
For the latter, Ilex Forest or Veridian Forest.

As for Probopass and Magnezone; the other location-evolution Pokemon, they could use Mt. Silver as the evolution location.

Granted, this is just assuming that they are including Generation III and IV Pokemon in HG/SS, which would be the case if comparing it to the remakes of Generation I. the only thing I have to say to those who go, "But they weren't in the original release! Neither Eevee nor Magneton evolved in the originals!!"
- So what? Sevii Islands wasn't in the original release of the Generation I games. Neither was the event with Bill on Cinnabar Island.

The thought about the evolution locations seems very probable. Likely the best idea here. And as for Generation III Pokémon appearing, we know they do, because of the Kyogre and Groudon thing. :P And it seems likely that Generation IV Pokémon would appear, or else why would they have Arceus OWs and so many correlations with Platinum. I just know these will be better than Firered and Leafgreen. Nintendo will redeem itself in the realm of remakes.

YellowPen June 10th, 2009 5:00 PM

does the notch-ear pichu count as a alternative form for pichu?

man i hope i can capture that little guy

Artemis June 10th, 2009 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowPen (Post 4737054)
does the notch-ear pichu count as a alternative form for pichu?

man i hope i can capture that little guy

I don't know if I'd count it as an alternate form of Pichu, but possbily more of a special event Pichu. It is more basically based on a movie with a Pichu who has a little funny ear. A different form of a Pokémon usually go with a basic and obsolete different appearance and most of the time stat changes. For example, Shamin and its Sky forme. Then there is Rotom and it's appliances forms. It really depends on how you define an alternative of a Pokémon. For me though, I'd consider the Pichu more of a special catch over a new forme.

Ineffable~ June 10th, 2009 8:55 PM

The notched-ear Pichu doesn't actually have a notched ear in its sprite, just its OW. So it's not actually a different forme at all. I'm not sure, but, since the encounter with the notched-ear Pichu is shown in Ilex Forest, it may be a Celebi event of some sort. Though, I can't imagine what two funny-looking Pichu could have to with Celebi.

Norcinu June 11th, 2009 1:18 AM

I doubt they'll introduce new forms of Shellos and Gastrodon, they're new Pokemon and not fonud in the Jhoto region, and having to make up new forms could be a hassle. As for Pokemon needing places to evolve, I'm thinking they'll either choose places already in the game to suit or make it unobtainable in the game... or maybe they'll have extra islands to fix this?


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