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GFA May 12th, 2009 5:47 AM

New Gastrodon formes, and that's it. You couldn't get Espeon or Umbreon in FrLg, so yuou won't be able to get Leafeon or Glaceon in HgSs.

Maybe Shaymin will get a third and fourth forme, but I think its unlikely...

Plus, I agree with Azumi. They should be compatible, remeber the hacked data saying it came from Johto

Artemis May 12th, 2009 6:32 AM

There were new rumors on the Gastrodon forms, and it's either they add them in before the National Dex, only if they add in the newer GEn pokémon before...or they allow it to be available after the Elite.

The games DPPT and HHSS will be compatible most likely.

For the post above, I highly doubt Shaymin will be getting any more forms, it would seriously be too much and wouldn't make much sense.

iTzKaizer May 12th, 2009 6:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. bell (Post 4634384)
Why wouldn't them make a HGSS manga? many manga fans admires GSC and want them to have a greater role in the manga...

They wouldn't make a HG/SS manga because if they only remake the game but don't add some more features or new places to explore, then HG/SS would be similar to the G/S/C manga, almost the same, since it has the same characters, same people...

As in FR/LG,, they added the Sevii Islands and the manga was based of them.

In this, people's opinions doesn't matter: If they don't have ideas to base the manga, then no manga for us.

Ivysaur May 12th, 2009 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Abercrombie (Post 4633966)
I am going for no. I'm only saying that due to the fact that remakes are typically restricted to that generation of gaming, and like others said, you can always trade one of those you mentioned above from your Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum version of the game into the new Gold and Silver games.

I could be wrong, but as of now, that's just how I feel about it. I would really like them to incorporate other generations, but since they created Ruby and Sapphire, and then created a remake of the first generation games, I really don't see why they would do that since the FireRed and LeafGreen versions didn't introduce any (that I'm aware of) Pokémon from the third generations.

You could get third gen. pokes in the 4-7 Islands, which you could access after beating the League. So I think that, after beating Kanto/Mt. Silver, we'll be allowed to get D/P/P pokémon into G/S as well (maybe in Fuchsia's Safari Zone or in a new area), and some extras. But I doubt we'll get any third-fourth pokémohn, less new forms, during the normal game.

Artemis May 12th, 2009 9:15 AM

Adding in Some Sinnoh Pokémon in the Safari after the National Dex and such would be fun. Especiialy if they can add some into the Bug Catching competition, after the Nat. Dex is obtained.

Mr. bell May 12th, 2009 12:24 PM

A bug contest with a Mothim! Masquarian! I love that idea.

Artemis May 12th, 2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. bell (Post 4635709)
A bug contest with a Mothim! Masquarian! I love that idea.

There would be quite a few new bug types to add into the contest besides those two. Though, if they did this to add in newer Pokémon it might come in after the Nat. Dex

skenno1 May 12th, 2009 3:49 PM

what about dark cave,tojho falls and sliver cave?am I the only on who remembers them

Artemis May 12th, 2009 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skenno1 (Post 4636332)
what about dark cave,tojho falls and sliver cave?am I the only on who remembers them

They can be added with new Pokémon too or used to evolve certain types, it isn't all confirmed as yet. No one has forgotten them because they were mentioned earlier on in this thread.

Argent Crusader May 12th, 2009 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by iTzKaizer (Post 4634934)
They wouldn't make a HG/SS manga because if they only remake the game but don't add some more features or new places to explore, then HG/SS would be similar to the G/S/C manga, almost the same, since it has the same characters, same people...

As in FR/LG,, they added the Sevii Islands and the manga was based of them.

In this, people's opinions doesn't matter: If they don't have ideas to base the manga, then no manga for us.

I'm really sure they will add a new zone post-Kanto. I'm not really sure of what happened to Giovanni. Maybe I just don't remeber. Anyway, the story with the Team Rocket is surely continued in somewhere else. They always can do that. And obviously the Manga would take this new zone as the theater of operations for Gold and whoever that new Girl is (I really wonder where in the world Kris would be then).
Maybe the Plot will involve Arceus as much FR/LG manga involved Deoxys. Seems to be the case.

Back on topic, we're possibly getting new formes. Shellos and Gastrodon are a given. Manaphy could be, but I doubt since it was the same in Sinnoh and Fiore.
Shaymin can get a new forme once again, or not. Maybe the white rock just is triggered with Oak's Letter like it did in DPPt and nothing else. We go to the island and catch the furball.
Deoxys in Johto/Kanto switch between Attack and Defense formes according to manga. Not sure wich forme is for wich region. But no new Deoxys forme in this game I think.

For evolutions: just no. To evolve them, if they are item-related you may get them post-E4, or post-Red; and if they're zone-related you have to trade them to DPPt.

Mr. bell May 13th, 2009 5:41 AM

I find it hard to believe Shaymin will get new forms once again. If heatrun will be featured in the 12th movies, don't be surprised if we'll catch him after defeating red in one of the caves, or in a new island.

pokerus34 May 13th, 2009 5:43 AM

It would make Evolutions easy if Eevee evolves into Leafeon via Leaf Stone and Glacion via Ice Stone (sorta...) XD

P.S.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 5:44 AM

I think since this is only a remake that there should be those two rocks for Leafeon and Glaceon after you beat the Elite Four. To get to those two rocks maybe there can be an extension in the game like in Emerald?

Artemis May 13th, 2009 7:04 AM

If they added in the Moss Rock and Ice Rock to the game, I would do it somewhere in the Ice cave in one of the Sevii Islands and perhaps the Viridian Forest as well. Just to get the new Eeveelutions without having to go through the hassle of trading with DPPt all the time.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 8:01 AM

An Ice Cave would be pretty cool. A forest will still suit Leafeon anyhow.

Alexithymia~ May 13th, 2009 8:03 AM

I did wonder if they put leafeon and glaceon in the games, how they would evolve?
But still.
New formes would be a nice thing.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 8:08 AM

I would leave new eeveeloutions for the next generation to come.

As for Probopass I wouldn't want an evolution for it.

Artemis May 13th, 2009 8:13 AM

For probopass and such, they can either use the caves and such we'll have in HGSS or have to trade between DPPt...

JJJkraan May 13th, 2009 8:28 AM

In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

Zelda May 13th, 2009 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JJJkraan (Post 4638515)
In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

That would be awesome, I like how you think. The safari zone would be a pretty cool place to have the third generation and fourth generation pokemon there.

Artemis May 13th, 2009 9:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJkraan (Post 4638515)
In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

That isn't actually a bad idea. It gives the game a bit more story for the Safari Zone and adding in the newer Gen pokémon as well.

JJJkraan May 13th, 2009 9:39 AM

Thanks for your positive reactions. The chances of getting a new island is big, and they could locate other third and fourth generation pokemon there too. I was also thinking about adding third and fourth generation to the Johto pokedex, but then it would be a
look-a-like pokemon platinum. In D/P/Pt the found all kinds of ways to add pokemon from the national dex. They are creative enough to add such things.

Artemis May 13th, 2009 10:13 AM

It was a good idea and needed complimenting on...

Also, if they were to add in newer Gen Pokémon to the Johto after the Nat. Dex is obtained, then the bug catching competition needs to be updated after...

Argent Crusader May 13th, 2009 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJkraan (Post 4638515)
In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

It's bassically the same idea the guys at gscplatinum had for they remake. Except that the islands were the warden was on vacations were like lots of safari zones together.
Anyway, I see this quest for open the Safari Zone happening :)

Artemis May 13th, 2009 1:47 PM

The new safari, if added in will most likely have those new generation Pokémon. They would probably redesign the entire safari or they would add in an extra zone to it like they did in Emerald after gaining the Nat. Pokédex.


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