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Artemis June 9th, 2009 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cameo (Post 4732678)
Well, I think it would make sense if they´d just place those stones that make Deoxys to change it´s form somewhere into Kanto or Johto. After all that´s the way they did in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. It would also be really nice if Deoxys would get a new form, but more cool would be if Deoxys wouldn´t just change it form and also it´s type would change (like Shaymin does).
And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.
I wish that in these games you don´t have to trade all other region´s pokémon trough wifi or from friends like in FR/LG. : P

I'd like for them to add in the stones for altering the form of Deoxys. It was a lot simpler than having its forms as version exculsive. They can easily place its rocks either by the ruins or somewhere suitable as it'll fit [in a way]. The idea of it changing its type though isn't absolutely necessary. If it were to change type it'll on be available in that game, because just like Shaymin, if traded back to DP, it'll be its regular land form. Plus, it being a Psychic type fits. Though, by going with your idea, if it had to be another type and form, then I'd say Psychic/Steel would fit best in my own opinion.

As for the location of magneton and Nosepass on where to evolve, either it be Mt. Silver or the Power Plant, it doesn't really bother me. Though, having to trade just to make them evolve would be too much of a hassle for some other people; especially those who do not have DPPt. Though, the reason why they make these games needed with trade ability is so Nintendo and GameFreak earn their money the want to collect, and it is a smart way for them on doing it too.

By the way, on the previous topic with Leafeon and Glaceon. I'd rather them hold the Ice Rock and Moss Rock in the Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest as it may hopefully persuade the game makers to allow the area to expand rather than how it was created smaller back in Gold and Silver.

TheAliveTrain June 9th, 2009 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4732733)
By the way, on the previous topic with Leafeon and Glaceon. I'd rather them hold the Ice Rock and Moss Rock in the Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest as it may hopefully persuade the game makers to allow the area to expand rather than how it was created smaller back in Gold and Silver.

I thought about Viridian to the Moss Rock but I had no place which would fit the Ice Rock :D

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Originally Posted by Cameo
And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.

A power plant does not have so much to do with magnetic stuff at all, though it is linked to electricity. Plus, Mt. Silver was an example, which fits (in my point of view) both Magneton and Nosepass.

Anyway, I just want to get out the idea that you (players) will have to trade every Pokémon because it evolves in an UNIQUE place, which is not true. Leafion and Glaceon are evolved near a Moss Rock and an Ice Rock respectivily, not just from the one in Eterna Forest and the one near Snowpoint. Same thing to Magneton and Probopass, they do not exclusivly evolve in Mt.Coronet, but they do in a certain magnetic place (as they're a magnet and a compass). (And I'll keep this idea till someone proves this wrong xD)

MidTownHD June 9th, 2009 3:17 PM

maybe some trainers will have these pokes, so when we battle them, the pokedex info will be recorded...

bobandbill June 9th, 2009 3:35 PM

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I thought about Viridian to the Moss Rock but I had no place which would fit the Ice Rock
Ice Rock... the best candidate there would be in the Ice Path in Johto, have to say. If it were in Kanto then besides the Seaform Islands (if they expand that from GSC and all) would be the best bet... =/ Or a new, small place altogether.

Pokemon12345678901 June 9th, 2009 4:31 PM

Shellos's Pokedex entries states:
Diamond's -
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Its color and shapes differ from region to region. In the Sinnoh region, two types are confirmed.
Pearl -
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It lives along bodies of water. Its body shape has changed to suit its habitat.
There is also unused sprites for Gastrodon and Shellos.
Here is some pictures
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/07/Spr_4dp_423_beta.png
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/4/41/Spr_4dp_422_beta.png

Ooka June 9th, 2009 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon12345678901 (Post 4733643)

Erm, I could have sworn that one was in D/P/Pt xD

Gulpin June 9th, 2009 5:19 PM

For Mt. Coronet evolutions, there will probably be an item available at some point in the game that is like a 'Coronet Rock Piece' or somthing like that, that you attatch to the Pokemon to evolve. For shaymin you probably have to wait until you get at some point in Kanto, as Oak mentioned somthing about a similar place to find shaymin in Kanto. You will probably be a Gracedia flower somewhere in Kanto/Johto too for form changes. Eevee will probably have an item just like for Mt. Coronet evos, or rocks placed around Kanto and Johto just like the ones in Sinnoh. There will probably be meteors in Johto/Kanto for deoxys as there were in Vielstone (i think) in Sinnoh. Shellos and Gastrodion will hopefully get new forms for the region, as the pokedex entry said somthing about different forms for each region.

varial295 June 9th, 2009 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Azumi (Post 4634838)
I heard DPPt and HGSS are compatible (?) so people can just trade those Pokemon over to HGSS. Easy.

And besides, I think they did the remakes is either because:
a) They wanted GSC Pokemon to be able to trade over to DPPt, since GSC Pokemon can in no way be traded over to DPPt, thus completing the National Dex (or vice versa, I really dunno...);
or
b) They just wanted to remake the games. End of story.

Take your pick.



well notice that after they made ruby and saphire they made firered and leafgreen so llook at that pattern there because its
ruby sapphire.
fire red leafgreen
diamond pearl.
heart gold soul silver

Ooka June 9th, 2009 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by varial295 (Post 4733942)
well notice that after they made ruby and saphire they made firered and leafgreen so llook at that pattern there because its
ruby sapphire.
fire red leafgreen
diamond pearl.
heart gold soul silver

Well, you can't quite call it a pattern yet, as it could merely be coincidence. :/

Artemis June 9th, 2009 6:26 PM

I'd call it a pattern as Pokémon is known for making reptition in their work, but then again it is a little too early for a call. Anyway, I'm pretty sure a new Gastrodon forme is possible for the remake seeing as though DPPt has left over coding for it. If it does, then I'd really be glad to see a front sprite of it over a back sprite given from Bulbapedia. Except, I cannot help but think if it'll be available by swarm in the Kanto and Johto or will it be available before the Dex, which I hope not as I'd like the original PokéDex to stay like how it was in the original.

Though, it is stated that Shellos and Gastrodon's appearance depends on their location. So, I'm simply wondering if GameFreak won't be lazy to use the same new Shellos and Gastrodon form in both Johto and Kanto because they are next door regions. Or, will they make them different to support the PokéDex definition of it. It'll definitely be interesting with a new form of Shellos and Gastrodon around though.

Ayselipera June 9th, 2009 6:43 PM

Ughh, I'm so sick of forms of pokemon.
We don't need another Gastrodon form.
Gastrodon is Gastrodon no matter how
many different colors they throw on it.
Instead of wasting time making new
forms make new better pokemon.

iTzKaizer June 9th, 2009 7:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn27 (Post 4734029)
Ughh, I'm so sick of forms of pokemon.
We don't need another Gastrodon form.
Gastrodon is Gastrodon no matter how
many different colors they throw on it.
Instead of wasting time making new
forms make new better pokemon.

New pokemon are left for new generations.

Pan!ko June 9th, 2009 11:46 PM

Probably made so that u can't get them other than through trade. That way DPPt won't be 4gotten and people will keep on playing even after the game comes out.

Haza June 10th, 2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ɐʞoo (Post 4733741)
Erm, I could have sworn that one was in D/P/Pt xD

Its unuesed. it combines features from both the east and west Shellos.

Wings Don't Cry June 10th, 2009 1:10 AM

I wasn't sure about this but was it possible to evolve your Chansey and Evee through happiness in Fr/Lg before the national dex because if it was I think it is very likely the mos rock and ice rock will be in Ilex forest and Ice path

YellowPen June 10th, 2009 2:51 AM

How about West/East Gastrodon for Kanto/Jhoto respectively

and dont they the mention about the white rock in Kanto in D/P/Pt?
because that could be used for alternative forms as the player would have a their national dex

im sure they will include most alternative forms.

Ultra Ball X June 10th, 2009 5:09 AM

I just hope they don't have any more stupid baby forms so pointless....

Ooka June 10th, 2009 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ℍ a z a (Post 4734669)
Its unuesed. it combines features from both the east and west Shellos.

That's probably why I was recognizing it. I could have sworn I'd seen it before. xD

Elena June 10th, 2009 7:49 AM

This may be a fourth generation game, but you have to remember that it is a remake of the SECOND generation games. Thus there will most likely not be ways to evolve them at all.
That's when trading comes in handy.

Artemis June 10th, 2009 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Ball X (Post 4735109)
I just hope they don't have any more stupid baby forms so pointless....

I know they won't give up on baby stages for some Pokémon. Though, you can't expect any new baby stages of Pokémon seeing as the game is a remake and new a new Generation. As, a new baby Pokémon for an older Generation monster is something new, unlike a form, which would be just an alternative.

Ineffable~ June 10th, 2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Glaceon_ (Post 4633502)
I don't know if people pointed this out about the Eeveelution forms, but there are four very easy places they could use to utilise the method of evolution for Glaceon and Leafeon.

For the former, the Ice Cave or Seafoam Islands.
For the latter, Ilex Forest or Veridian Forest.

As for Probopass and Magnezone; the other location-evolution Pokemon, they could use Mt. Silver as the evolution location.

Granted, this is just assuming that they are including Generation III and IV Pokemon in HG/SS, which would be the case if comparing it to the remakes of Generation I. the only thing I have to say to those who go, "But they weren't in the original release! Neither Eevee nor Magneton evolved in the originals!!"
- So what? Sevii Islands wasn't in the original release of the Generation I games. Neither was the event with Bill on Cinnabar Island.

The thought about the evolution locations seems very probable. Likely the best idea here. And as for Generation III Pokémon appearing, we know they do, because of the Kyogre and Groudon thing. :P And it seems likely that Generation IV Pokémon would appear, or else why would they have Arceus OWs and so many correlations with Platinum. I just know these will be better than Firered and Leafgreen. Nintendo will redeem itself in the realm of remakes.

YellowPen June 10th, 2009 5:00 PM

does the notch-ear pichu count as a alternative form for pichu?

man i hope i can capture that little guy

Artemis June 10th, 2009 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowPen (Post 4737054)
does the notch-ear pichu count as a alternative form for pichu?

man i hope i can capture that little guy

I don't know if I'd count it as an alternate form of Pichu, but possbily more of a special event Pichu. It is more basically based on a movie with a Pichu who has a little funny ear. A different form of a Pokémon usually go with a basic and obsolete different appearance and most of the time stat changes. For example, Shamin and its Sky forme. Then there is Rotom and it's appliances forms. It really depends on how you define an alternative of a Pokémon. For me though, I'd consider the Pichu more of a special catch over a new forme.

Ineffable~ June 10th, 2009 8:55 PM

The notched-ear Pichu doesn't actually have a notched ear in its sprite, just its OW. So it's not actually a different forme at all. I'm not sure, but, since the encounter with the notched-ear Pichu is shown in Ilex Forest, it may be a Celebi event of some sort. Though, I can't imagine what two funny-looking Pichu could have to with Celebi.

Norcinu June 11th, 2009 1:18 AM

I doubt they'll introduce new forms of Shellos and Gastrodon, they're new Pokemon and not fonud in the Jhoto region, and having to make up new forms could be a hassle. As for Pokemon needing places to evolve, I'm thinking they'll either choose places already in the game to suit or make it unobtainable in the game... or maybe they'll have extra islands to fix this?


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