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What do you think Team Rocket will do in the games? What role will they portray? Will it be the same as last time?
What changes do you think might be made? |
I hope they don't give up as easily as they did in G/S/C.
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Things will probably be almost exactly the same for the Johoto section, but once you go to Kanto it may include a side-plot involving Team Rocket.
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I'd like to see more backstory on the fact that they're really Neo Team Rocket.
As said above, I'd also love to see a few Rocket events in Kanto. |
I would predict the TR plot might remain pretty much the same like how it was kept the same in FRLG, but they could have added in some new twists in the storyline...Seeing as they can involve some Crystal plot into the remakes as well.
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They'll probably operate the same as they did last time, but this time there'll be better graphics! And hopefully the grunts will have a bigger selection of Pokémon to battle and they won't be as easy to beat.
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I do think it will be the same as the original G/S/C but only giovanni's there.
Maybe,Maybe not we all have to wait and see Oh and what Rekhyt said. |
Seeing Giovanni in the game would be great, as it would give the game an old feeling and more nostalgia to the fans...
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I'd them to have a better plan, In the end all you do is save a radio tower haha XD
Mabye have them use the tower for mind control? That'd be more epicly cool :D Oh and seeing what happened to Giovanni after alll these years would be extremly satisfying |
G/S did a good job explaining the subtle facets of Team Rocket, which FR/LG basically carried, as well (Team creed, organizational structure), so I don't expect much deviation, there.
Although, I am curious on any Pokemon upgrades or Pokemon they normally wouldn't own. We had Venonat, Vileplume, which were a surprise, and if you count the scientists, Ditto and Porygon (in-game, only Team Rocket scientists can use Porygon, I've noticed). I'm sure we'll get some Mightyena and a few Dark types, since that was Neo Team Rocket's shtick. Think they'll revive the Cassidy design for the female grunt, or do something completely different? Hah. Edit: I hope we'll finally get official names for the male and female Execs. I wonder if we'll get backstory, too. |
^ Charaxes you have some good ideas and thoughts, except if they have to add in the newer Gen dark types to their teams, then maybe it'll be a possibility that Team Rocket can have a new scheme in the Kanto, giving them the chance to use the newer Dark Type Gens along with other Pokémon too.
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Yeah, one of my first thoughts was that they could really use Team Rocket to expand the game a lot. They could have them show up at least once more in Johto, but I'm hoping they'll really expand them in the Kanto area, maybe they'll even include some Sevii Island stuff? I doubt Giovanni will make an appearance, but I suppose you never know.
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What evidence is there that Silver is Giovanni's son? Honestly, you can't tell them to "admit" it because there's no evidence that it's true. =P
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As for the execs they have names in the manga. Plus they look like Jessie and James. So I dont know what will happen as far as their names are concerned. |
oh god i hope they dont include that stupid switching doors puzzle
that was quite possibly the worst thing in pokemon |
Well, I guess their plans are the same as it is in G/S/C. Infiltrating the Radio Tower, selling the tail of Slowpokes, and many more. :)
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As many of the others have said I think the plot will still be the same from the previous games, I just hope that Team Rocket will not be such a push over and that they finally become a challenge, and you get to double battle with Lance.
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Team Rocket kind of had an unorganized plot in this game, so I'm hoping it will continue out with a plot in the Kanto as well. Also, I'd like the see the Jesse and James sprite now, it must look pretty cool with the new DPPt graphics for those two.
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Team Rocket really needs to step it up because we have had 3 other crime organizations do much mre drastic things than they have. We need to be able to witness Giovannis connection with them and a battle with him outside of the gym.
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If Team Rocket could be half as bad as Galactic had been, I'd be satified enough with them, but the step up for them, it'll be large.
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Atleast TR is the only group yet that does not seem like a cult. More like a mafia.
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The most important thing I want for team rocket are different, stroger Pokémon and high levels. Also, more additonal double battles will be fairly acceptable for me when it comes to Team Rocket.
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I think it will be exactly the same as it was in the originals and don't see why people see so much room for discussion in this topic. It kinda baffles me but I've seen enough people discuss this at length that I've no choice but to leave this open, lmao. 8(
I'd love to see more variety in Pokemon since I hate that in all the enemy teams but honestly, I don't expect it at all. |
Team rocket is my favorite team hands down
none of that cult, evil for a good cause, saving the world crap D; just downright evil and greedy mafia type, evil because they want to gain something, not because they think they're going to do some good {{well galactic was pretty evil but the grunts generally werent very "evil" just manipulated in a way >.>}} I hope they become a challenge, and they have more of an organized story, and variety in pokemon, its tiring seeing every single grunt use a raticate or whatever D; |
Team Rocket is the BEST team. Team Aqua/Magma and Galactic are just stupid. They're practically good guys, dressed up and doing absurd things.
TR is the best because they're actually bad... They don't even care about Pokemon; they just us them as a means to get money. That's awesome. And I would hate to see them in Kanto. They don't belong there, period. |
Er, I have to ask but how does Team Rocket not belong in the Kanto when they are originally from the Kanto? It makes no sense...
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As for the manga names of the Execs, as sir alluded, true, but those aren't official English canon names, so. I'm still going by the Japanese versions, so I'll take what I can get, either way. Well, I won't say Neo Team Rocket didn't have a plot, no. It was more "business as usual," which then abruptly shifted to "it's time to revive fully and call back Giovanni." It's less self-contained than the Kanto version, I admit. Both arcs have their strengths and weaknesses, really. |
Moving on, I would be pleased to see that Team Rocket becomes more of a difficulty in the game than a pain; They deserve it really, seeing as they are the first criminals made and the first to expand to two regions as well.
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The whole reason that Team Rocket is in Johto rather than Kanto is because they CANT be there. It would just be too difficult. Do you really think that the Nazi's would attempt a come-back in Germany? No, they just wouldn't. There's just so much laws and an overall zeitgeist in place that it couldn't even get started. But we see Neo-Nazism here in America, and have had movements since the '60s, not too long after WWII. It's just a different world over here. We haven't experienced it yet, so we have no reason to put laws up against it. It's the same thing with Kanto and Johto. Kanto is on guard and has police force, laws, and a general feeling that prevents TR from making any return. However, Johto has not gone through this so they are easier to make a move on. They just feel more comfortable, and thus are easy picking. The entire story of Gold/Silver is that TR is trying to make a return and get their old leader back, and they have no real focus. They're just doing anything for money or to showboat in a mad attempt to look like they have power. They certainly would not make a move for Kanto until they were firmly established in Johto, and even without Gold's interference I doubt this would have happened for another year, at least. And that's why it's illogical for TR to be in Kanto. |
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I never thought of it like that, that actually makes a lot of sense at least to me it does.
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working underground is a pretty thing.
The Rocket member managed to sabotage the magnet train without getting caught by all them officers. ninjas all of them. |
I think Team Rocket will follow the G/S/C storyline, but I hope they have a more deeper storyline in the game, though.
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If they bring in the Sevii Islands, then they can possibly try to continue there in a way, like how it was in FRLG.
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Screw Team Rocket
Bring in Neo Team Rocket with The Mask Of Ice |
It would be difficult, but not impossible to reform Team Rocket in Kanto. They just need to hide out until they can get enough people to overpower the police, or do such a big strike against Kanto to leave their forces crippled. It would be difficult, but it wouldn't be impossible. It has been shown that the defences were upped in the original G/S in case of Team Rocket's return, but it isn't impossible to reform there. Besides, there could have been many people secretly working for Team Rocket in high positions that weren't caught... yes, probably not true, but it is possible. Also, one of the underground tunnels was closed, and Cinnabar is almost deserted, there could be networks in those two places that no one knows about, and if they decide to add it in, than the Sevii Islands. They didn't do anything major there, just looked through two places for two stones, nothing drastic enough to really get worried, unless they get paranoid of course.
Team Rocket showed potential to return in G/S. Maybe it doesn't mean anything, but there was a member in Kanto who took a part of a machine from the Power Plant, which, since it is possibly the biggest power plant in Kanto (If there are more, but realistically speaking, there should be more.) It should have some sort of security, because if it were attacked, than the consequences would be devastating. It supplied power to the Magnet Train, and possibly supplied thousands of buildings, including major buildings with power, but that was unable to be touched on, as that would cause the region to be shut down. But I doubt they would go through the hard work involved to return to Kanto... maybe Sevii Islands, but not Kanto. Redstar's argument makes a lot of sense, more than mine in my own opinion. |
I think I'll go with the idea of RedStar it makes the point crystal clear. Though the Sevii Island plot could be a possibility like mentioned before. It'll also give Team Rocket the chance to have new Gen Pokémon in their party as well.
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I guess they would only change the original storyline a bit, but add new stories i hope... Giovanni will definitely be there...
And i wish they have stronger Pokemon and better uniforms... XD Blasting Off Again! |
I was just saying what I think would take place in a real-world situation, though Zeta's idea makes sense too. I really hope they don't change too much of the story in Kanto, and having Team Rocket there would do that. But I really wouldn't mind if they were, but working more subtly, with underground networks and key players, like Zeta. If they wanted to expand the plot of the game, but not completely destroy the original story, they'd do that.
I would love to see Giovanni make a return, but that would go against his character in the first game. Yeah, beating him a few times and him saying "Okay. I'll be good now." really was deus ex machina, but changing that wouldn't be much better. I'm hoping for just a minor cameo, like a hermit trying to find himself as I suggested. An interesting twist would be having to recruit him to finally put down TR in Kanto, but we'll see what really happens. |
Also, following Redstar's theory and then Zeta's, my opinion is that Giovanni just won't be there.
First of all, it wouldn't make so much sense because he really left Team Rocket to get a new life and period, and we've seen it on FR/LG. Team Rocket's appearance on Johto may be considered as the "Neo Team Rocket" (as Twilight Requiem said) born, and so there would be a new leader, and this leader being Will and Karen (from the E4). They are from Johto so they could simply play the role of leaders, aswell the old Elite members would be back (Nothing is known about Agatha's and Lorelei's/Prima's left). I know it also may not make sense, but, if Team Rocket would have a better role in the game (I hope so, because he did not have a BIG role as Magma/Aqua/Galactic in the games), and the storyline being continued on Kanto, there should be a leader. The Mask of Ice would be irreal, it is a kind of "Ghost which is taking control of children(later adults) and, my opinion, it would not fit". Also, suposing that Giovanni has a son, and he does have a mother (Madame Boss), there are so many key characters to play the role of TeamRocket Leader(s). And it doesn't mean that Giovanni wouldn't have a role on the game, it could, the same way Cinnabar Island can. After his left from TeamRocket, and the control taken on Goldenrod's Radio Tower, he may help you in the storyline. This is just an example. Anyway, this is just an opinion, a bit messed because I'm linking the games to the manga, and they have nothing to do with each other in the role. But as I said before, Team Rocket without a leader can't have a good role, they may, but it doesn't seem good, for me. |
There are just so many options that people can use with Team Rocket that it is uncountable, but it is what GameFrak decides on doing with it all that we'll have to wait and see for. I mean, even if Team Rocket doesn't show up in Kanto, I would still like some kind of plot to happen, either it be somewhat involved with Team Rocket's previous events or someone trying to start something new.
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Conversely, we don't know much of the police structure in the games (which is a strength of the anime, as we know more on the police), and they don't present much challenge (that's why we have the player, who does the police's dirty work). Remember, it's all about money to the Rockets. So, it's either a hostage situation for, say, the Bullet Train or selling the land for construction and having a major payoff, there (like in real life). I could buy the subversion, as Pokemon Special made a great point in addressing it with Surge, Koga and Sabrina (Blaine, technically, but he was more on the scientist side and the first to defect). Unlike Aqua, Magma and Galactic, the Rockets aren't trapped in any twisted altrustic approach and/or want to advance the world in some fanatical world view. After all, Galactic co-opted Team Rocket's domination theme, yet they had a crazy leader who wanted to be God. So, that's Team Rocket's great advantage with their leaders -- sanity, or close to it. Complete with the bottom line, which does matter, as those fancy uniforms aren't cheap. |
Does anyone else just love doing the Team Rocket missions to foil TR? I really like Team Rocket and I think the Radio Station takeover was really cool, as well as battling them in the underground. I think they should have Team Rocket more involved though. Having more attempts at their evil schemes then having to go over and battle them would be great, maybe having them a little tougher.
I remember in B/R/S having to go underground in Celadon at the gaming place, that was a lot of fun. |
Yes, with Team Rocket there was a lot more fun. Actually, come to think of it, Team Rocket has given me more of a challenge and thrill over the rest of Teams such as Galactic, Magma, and Aqua.
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Yeah Team Rocket are the best organisation going because their only goal was to make money so it is quite easy to have them do more in the remakes because with everything you had to do in the original games they were darting about all over the place so you can have them just constantly making havoc instead of having a fixed storyline with them all the time.
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If Team Rocket thickens there plot a bit in the story,, not by much to change it from the old game's originality but to extend it out, then I think I wouldn't mind too much. They're get rich quick schemes always kept me interested.
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Yeah I agree with you there they were always amussing weren't they lol.
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They have the best plots, the best outfits, and they were completely more original than the newer themes. So, if Team Rocket is left alone, besides for maybe new rosters on their team and higher levels, then I wouldn't be moved in anyway, but satisfied.
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TR was the best, and Giovanni was killer. The rest of the team leaders are just crazy people who have no lives. I want to see what their sprites will look like in battle, especially the executives. They were always the funniest to beat. And I think they should let us join TR, that would be fun! (Yes, I know that would most likely not happen. :3)
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Joining Team Rocket, that would be crazy but fun. It won't happen though, as we all know.
I am excited to see how their sprites are as well. I did get to see one in a Coro Coro Scan by the Slowpoke well, but I don't know if that was one of them. |
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(Yes, Backstory and Names! I remember thinking that the Executives were different people with each re-appearance... I was young ^3^) |
I wonder if Team Rocket will get a little bit stronger? I would only hope so because most of them were too weak for me.
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Giovanni will have to be here and they will finally tell us Silver is his son!
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I don't know if I want them to reveal anything about Silver being Giovanii's son really. Though, like ~Morning Bliss~ mentioned, I wouldn't mind them getting a bit stronger at all.
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Someone mentioned on how the fact on how the Rockets are capable of being omnipresent, because they weren't fixed on any particular element of the story (like the Legendaries with M/A/G). It certainly implies much flexibility, as, well, making money and unleashing chaos isn't as convoluted as M/A acquiring of Groudon/Kyorge or Cyrus and the Red Chain. Frankly, Cyrus' plan really could have blown up on him, as do you want to mess with the Space/Time mega-God? Imagine if he wanted Arceus? Oy.
Side rant aside, I think one major aspect of Team Rocket is they are instigators and they find a way to profit from it (Mt. Moon, Slowpoke Well). Sometimes, they create chaos and can use it to their advantage, like the Red Gyarados. They didn't intend for a Magikarp to evolve that way, but, sometimes, even chaos can be beneficial (to the creator and the createe). As for the Double battle aspect with Lance and the Execs, yeah, I fully expect that, as we've seen in the past two generations. So, I'll call it a given. Let's shift the topic on the sole Rocket Grunt in Kanto with the Power Plant part. How about a wave of Rockets, instead, like the Nugget Bridge with the non-Rocket Trainers in R/B/Y? Because after taking down a slew of them at the Radio Tower, seeing only one lone Rocket in Kanto -- it's kinda lame. |
Seeing one Rocket Grunt is pretty lame, I agree.
Though, besides that, Team Rocket is also a more realistic kind of team, as today, people don't really look to take over the world as many view it to be. They actually are just trying to get money and get rich with evil, bad-guy schemes. So, it makes it a lot better to me seeing as it isn't something so unrelaistic, but something that people today might even do. |
I hope Nintendo will develop Team Rocket more...
I hadn't seen them getting involve with legendaries... Perhaps Celebi will be the right choice? Let's say that Team Rocket wants to go back in time(3 years ago...) to find Giovanni... And they wanted to use Celebi's power(as it has the power to go to different times). |
The Celebi idea would be pretty cool to see, though I would forsee another kind of distorted worl in it. Nah, I prefer for them to stick to their more realistic plans than break the bend that far.
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Celebi was mentioned, which would be a nice nod to the 4th movie. However, I have two separate Rocket goals for Lugia and Ho-Oh, in terms of them. Lugia would be a good vanguard as a weapon, as it screams destruction. Conversely, Ho-Oh has regeneration powers, so what if Team Rocket captured it and tapped into the power, so they can sell it. Selling immortality can make you rich and fast. Plus, people would be addicted and you would have a never ending supply of money. The Rockets are the most scientific based of the Big Bad orgs, so they could do it. Of course, we can't reference drugs, so. Shifty eyes. Meanwhile, if you don't want destruction of the earth, via Lugia, Kou, Tei and Cune would make excellent enforcers. So, make it all Ho-Oh centric. |
It would be kind of cool to see Team Rocket go after the three Legendary Beasts actually after the Johto storyline ends. It can still stick to their overstressed idea of gaining money and becoming the well knon big bag thugs that other should be afraid of.
Though, oh dear, Team Rocket out for drugs, (lol), I think we better shift directions on that for real. xD |
Probably will be the same. (Gasp, watch out Heart! Kris is angry! D : )
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Spaking about Heart, I wonder if she'll play any part in with Team Rocket. Somewhat like how Dawn/Lucas did with Team Galactic back in DPPt.
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(For the record, if anyone wants to play on my idea for fic, you certainly can. Although, I would like it if I were credited for the idea. Hee.) As for the Beast trio, well, the Rockets did have their number on the Legendary Birds (Special, Stadium, the TCG), so it makes sense to obtain the Johto counterparts. Okay, yeah, it's a bit much. Let's shift to Gen 4 Pokemon they could own. I see Drapion, very easily. Edit: Okay, someone mentioned on Heart and the potential of a tag team match. So, let's have dual topics! Heh. |
If Team Rocket went after Ho-Oh and/or Lugia for the money, then they better have the best of team leader to go under charge for that. O_o
I can definitely see Team Rocket with perhaps a Croagunk and Drapion too. It seems something that fits for them. There are actually a lto of possibilities for them to own. |
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Well, the game producers are getting better at acknowledging the anime, so I could see a Carnivine in the mix or a Yanmega. After Butler and Diane's cameo in D/P and there was a Trainer in Coloss with James' Pokemon at the time (the cactus and the wind chime), it's not so crazy to now consider it. As for the rest of the media (Special, the Stadiums), I dunno. But, we can hope. |
We can only hope, and hope some more.
I actually can picture Carnivine, along with a Seviper as well. If they give Jesse and James a double battle appearance like how Jesse had appeared, then they could involve some of their current anime Pokémon just for a cool side addition to it. |
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I also thinking of Dustox. Jessie aside, I think it would have been logical if the Rockets had it (Poison type, and they can do Bugs, thanks to Venonat in G/S/C). After all, Galactic has both branch Evos, so I can't see it being embargoed on the Rockets, anymore. |
I would really like it if people would stop putting forth that theory of Silver being Giovanni's son like it was fact.
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I really liked the Team Rocket plot in G/S/C. Can't wait to play it again.
When will they ever win one, eh? :D I like their outfits too. |
I'd like them mostly to stay the same however I'd like the executives to be more of a challenge. The ones they had in G/S were pathetic =/
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I also, like to think that they would get stronger too. |
I would love Team Rocket to fall back to Kanto and have a larger part of the story there.
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I see them returning if they are going to make another attempt, after their last fall down in Kanto three years ago.
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The problem I have with Team Rocket is that their power is downsized in the GSC games from the anime. RBY had an excuse, since these games were what Team Rocket in the anime were based upon. However, GSC should of had the better plot for Team Rocket. If in the anime they can go after legends, they should be able to do so in GSC. Dark Lugia could play a part in HeartGold and there could be a separate plot in SoulSilver. To me, separate plots in these games would make them even more perfect.
However, I do not know how extensive the other character's role will be in these games. If you remember, it was Lance who helped you the most and your rival who battled you continuously. I really don't see a role in which the other gender counterpart could fill. |
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As for the seperate storylines for each game, I don't know how well that might work out. |
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I think they made it like that for a reason. I mean all the games have been chasing after legendaries for the main theme. THough it would be smart for TR to do the same for better chances of getting more money, but I think the game creators just wanted something a little bit different than the rest of games.
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Moving back to the previous topic, I can't see the Rockets without Arbok and Weezing, although, I can buy some Gen III equivalents, Gulpin, much? I know Rocket-owned Beedrill have been featured in manga (e.g., Special), so that's a pretty easy choice. Oh, can't forget Vileplume in FR/LG, so maybe some fun Grass/Poison types, too. Not Rosenade, but it would be badass, wouldn't it? |
All games after the color and metal generation and remakes had the bad guys centered on a legendary pokemon, so they might try obtaining the radio tower on top of getting the legendary of that game
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I think some other members already mentioned it, but imo team rocket was one of my favourite parts of the game! But I hope they raise the levels on their pokemon (only admins), that would be great!
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As for Vileplume, I can actually see the higher grunts having it on their team. I agree with the Roserade idea though, it doesn't seem to fit in their team in my opinion. Gulpin, would be a nice twist for them to use if they continue their evil plots after the National Dex is obtained and we can now see the Gen III and IV Pokémon throughout the game. |
I wonder if they will ever have a Victrebel or Venusaur since we are talking about Grass/Poison type POkemon
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Seeing Team Rocket with some starter Pokémon, I just don't picture that for them. I mean they represent some of those Pokémon that most people may or may not want. They also have a more matching theme of Pokémon for them too.
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However, for the games, yeah, it is. Poison is their main shtick, so I don't seeing that changing. On the other hand, their secondary types can surprising, as Ditto and Porygon in G/S/C proved to be. Vileplume was the real surprise, as the Rockets don't typically have such... eye-pleasing Pokemon, shall we say. Well, back to Gen IV, Honchkrow is a given. I know if Mismagius will be thrown into the mix. Stadium 2 gave the male Exec a Misdreavus, so it isn't completely crazy to think such things. |
I can see them carrying around Mightyena's, and maybe Swalot, later in game. As Charaxes said,
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True, plus the games tend to share a different use of Pokémon from the anime. Though, another given Pokémon would probably be the Zubat line. As for Mismagius, I can see that happening, and I wouldn't mind too. It'll give the Team a bit of competition against us. |
Honchkrow... I remember that one admin with the murkrow that completely betrayed him. XD That was one of my favorite "dungeons" in the game. I'm hoping they emphasize the mafia qualities of the big R more, they did just sorta seem to be part of the list after Aqua/Magma came out. Also hoping for a Giovanni re-entrance. He's so awesome you can't pass it up! Perhaps if they do add another story arc (I bet they will), the boss man could have something to do with it...
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With the newer Gen Pokémon, and the extended regions and perhaps islands as well, I wouldn't doubt that Team Rocket's plot will continue with the newer Pokémon and perhaps a Giovanni reappearance.
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That is when I can picture maybe Team Rocket going after either the Legendary Birds or the Legendary Dogs, seeing as Moltres is one of them located on the Sevii Islands.
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Honestly its even possible for it to be Neo Team rocket ( yes the one that just shows up on the manga of Johto saga )
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If Team Rocket turned into Neo Team Rocket afterwards, I would honestly be shocked. My jaw would drop if I were to see them there.
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I wouldn't mind that happening because if Team Rocket does do that it would actually be like a real remake storyline to the game. What I mean by that is how it follows the generation patterns of catching the main legendaries Groundon and Kyogre, Palkia and Dialga, and now it would be Ho-oh and Lugia. |
I'm thinking, (well, at least hoping,) that Giovanni will be implemented a little more. He ended up to be really important in the end of the game, so why not show him a little more?
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