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s l u g May 20th, 2009 2:51 AM

Loch Ness Monster.
 
I bet you people might be knowing about the creature believed to be inhabiting in Loch Ness in the Scottish Highlands. Popular interest and belief in the animal has fluctuated since it was brought to the world's attention in 1933. Evidence of its existence is largely anecdotal, with minimal and much disputed photographic material and sonar readings.The scientific community regards the Loch Ness Monster as a modern-day myth, and explains sightings as a mix of hoaxes and wishful thinking. Despite this, it remains one of the most famous examples of cryptozoology. It has been cutely referred to been nessie.

So do you guys believe in her, and think that all the things are just an hoax..?

got anything proof or whatever articles or anything legible for debating it's existense this is the right place, just do not spam and go off-topic and respect each others opinion.

Gusxx1 May 20th, 2009 2:54 AM

Well, personally. I don't think it exists. But it is possible seeing how theres new things being discovered all the time. But until a reasonable legit photo shows up that isn't blurry, i might change my mind.

inhisxeyes May 20th, 2009 7:45 AM

I believe Nessie exists. I mean, they just discovered like, 41 new species of frogs in the Amazon that they had no clue even existed. Plus the several thousand leatherback (or was it lager head?) sea turtles they found on a beach in Gabon? We don't know half as much as what we think we do about this world.
Every time we think we know something, Nature laughs in our faces and throws us another curve ball. Nessie's out there.

processr May 20th, 2009 7:54 AM

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Originally Posted by inhisxeyes (Post 4657810)
I believe Nessie exists. I mean, they just discovered like, 41 new species of frogs in the Amazon that they had no clue even existed. Plus the several thousand leatherback (or was it lager head?) sea turtles they found on a beach in Gabon? We don't know half as much as what we think we do about this world.
Every time we think we know something, Nature laughs in our faces and throws us another curve ball. Nessie's out there.

All well and good, but given that Loch Ness covers an area less than 60 km² and every part of it has been explored it's impossible for the Loch Ness Monster to exist. =|

Numerous expeditions have been launched, and none have found concrete proof of the monster's existence, and along with the fact that the creature would be at least seventy years old by now if the earliest sighting is to be believed I can see no way for the Loch Ness Monster to exist.

Åzurε May 20th, 2009 9:02 AM

I haven't read much into it, myself, but I think it's plausible that Nessie does- or at least did- exist. I would have to see what such things would have eaten, though. that's a big indicator, especially for such a big beastie.

s l u g May 20th, 2009 9:07 AM

There have been a lot of evidences but at the same time lot of hoaxes to, and scientists deny it's existense either they can't accept being unable to make out a thing or they actually know it doesn't exist .

Btw anyone know about surgeons photo..? the first ever evidence.

Caina May 20th, 2009 9:09 AM

Today in our modern era, it's hard to believe on " beliefs " since many people now are messing around and that's what drives people away into believing on something. Anyway, just like me who has been affected by those hoaxes, I 50% believe, 50% not.

If I can see some solid proofs, that'll boost my belief. :D

processr May 20th, 2009 9:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TotoMud (Post 4658018)
There have been a lot of evidences but at the same time lot of hoaxes to, and scientists deny it's existense either they can't accept being unable to make out a thing or they actually know it doesn't exist .

Btw anyone know about surgeons photo..? the first ever evidence.

Define "a lot of evidence." Because as far as I can see, all this so-called evidence was disproved. Practically all 'evidence' is anecdotal, as you acknowledge in your original post.

Mitchman May 20th, 2009 9:37 AM

What if the lake has caves? Just saying. But yeah I dunno it could it could not exist or exist. I'm more of a believer only cause I believe in the supernatural.

Bulletproof May 20th, 2009 9:42 AM

and I'll be going to the three bears' house with goldilocks in half an hour.
lol, just a joke. but seriosuly, lochness monster does not exist imo, it's just like I used as an example, a fairytale.

for starters, loch ness in scotland is a tiny place that only happened to exist. it could just be a rumour some resident of the lonely place made up to get some fame for the poor place.

also, nobody, obviously, have ever seen one.

I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but all I do know is that if it did exist, it would surely be hunted down by so many keen yet foolish people to believe it.

Fox♠ May 20th, 2009 9:47 AM

I've hunted long and hard for it, and I finally found it. I even snapped a photo of it.

http://www.sukhoi-aerotech.com/pics/Lapras001XP.jpg

s l u g May 20th, 2009 9:47 AM

Well don't know about you guys, okay i admit it won't be able to survive such a cold place, that's what the researchers and all say, but what if it's something else..? i mean it can be a different type of fish or something.. cause long ago i remember a squid getting caught which was quite big and is one of it's kind and earned him the name " The Giant Squid ", i still hope that nessie does exist.

and Lol you Fox♠

Alexithymia~ May 20th, 2009 9:50 AM

I don't actually really have a solid opinion on this but... I think it would be really cool if 'she' existed.
It would be so... different and exciting. Do you think they would have tourist rides? :D

s l u g May 20th, 2009 9:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueSnowHoundoom (Post 4658127)
Do you think they would have tourist rides? :D

Yeah because of Nessie, the place has become a regular tourist place, btw i don't about rides but yeah general tourist crowd do come in search of nessie :)

Alexithymia~ May 20th, 2009 10:00 AM

I thought maybe you could have a ride on Nessie and maybe get a T-shirt at the gift shop afterwards, saying 'I went for a tourist ride on Nessie' or something. :D Just an idea.

Captain Fabio May 20th, 2009 10:04 AM

"20 men with binoculars and cameras were positioned around the Loch from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m., starting 13 July 1934 and running for five weeks."

That must have been a barrel of laughs! XD

I don't really have an opinion on this.
I don't think it exists now, but I have no reason to doubt that it could have existed.

There is a very low chance that it is alive now.
But, in the 1800's 1900's, who knows!

The Confuzzler May 20th, 2009 10:08 AM

I livez in Scotland! - shot -

I for one, am on the fence for this. I I dont really fhave an opinion on Nessie.

s l u g May 20th, 2009 10:13 AM

Yeah maybe it did exist and must have died soon.. coz we know that not all the creatures were wiped away in the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event some survived as in being crocs and alligs and other things.

The Confuzzler May 20th, 2009 10:15 AM

If nessie really exist, i bet that it's some kind of long-living dinosaur.

s l u g May 20th, 2009 10:28 AM

Ofcourse it's from the dino age.. probably an amphibian, cause it's said that amphibians survived the meteor crash.

gummybarz May 20th, 2009 11:36 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2kZOjmN3OSQ/SQusy8P1TPI/AAAAAAAAACc/ZwVp5jpT2oU/S600/Lochness+Monster.jpg

http://silassite.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Nessie_famousfake.130194108_std.jpg


http://www.glenrowanrestaurant.co.uk/loch_ness_monster.jpg


He could be real anything can happen. I think if they ever discoverd him or her they would do experiments on him or her.

Mitchman May 20th, 2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemon xd (Post 4658369)
He could be real anything can happen. I think if they ever discoverd him or her they would do experiments on him or her.

Exactly why it hasn't been found. Area 51 already got their hands on it. At least i hope so. I mean wouldn't it be cool to find out it is real?

Cheesymitten May 20th, 2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alinthea (Post 4658162)
"20 men with binoculars and cameras were positioned around the Loch from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m., starting 13 July 1934 and running for five weeks."

Who where these people? Did they have nothing else to do?
I believe that there is a nessie, it's invisible and it breathes air every 5 weeks and 1 day, how cool is that theory then?

processr May 20th, 2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TotoMud (Post 4658122)
Well don't know about you guys, okay i admit it won't be able to survive such a cold place, that's what the researchers and all say, but what if it's something else..? i mean it can be a different type of fish or something.. cause long ago i remember a squid getting caught which was quite big and is one of it's kind and earned him the name " The Giant Squid ", i still hope that nessie does exist.

But that's still ignoring the fact that Loch Ness is a tiny body of water - it contains something like 1/200,000,000th of all the world's water. If such a huge 'monster' can live in that habitat it'd be widespread.

Oh, and regarding the photos: all of them have been proved to be hoaxes.

ShadowLeader May 20th, 2009 12:07 PM

i believe in nessie....but of course it may just be wishful thinking on my part...but i did see a thing on tv where they did a huge search using lots of boats and sonar and things like that...and they said that they found nothing....so idk...i hope nessie is real...cause that would be cool..

Legobricks May 20th, 2009 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TotoMud (Post 4657268)
Evidence of its existence is largely anecdotal, with minimal and much disputed photographic material and sonar readings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TotoMud (Post 4658018)
There have been a lot of evidences but at the same time lot of hoaxes to,

Self-contradiction. Be sure to understand your source(s) before continuing a discussion.


This is known as the surgeon's photograph and is a proven fake.
Quote:

Originally Posted by TotoMud (Post 4658018)
Btw anyone know about surgeons photo..? the first ever evidence.

See above.

BHwolfgang May 20th, 2009 1:57 PM

Obviously, most people these days would only believe if they see it. I, however, am a believer.

Everyday, scientists learn and discover new things. Something like this just doesn't happen after hundreds of experiments, or years of research. I really can't support the existence of the Loch Ness Monster with all my heart, but I can also say that just because a group of smart, old men states that such things don't exist, does that make me think the same thing?

I mean, just know, they discovered a prehistoric fossil of something that was related to us Humans, which could be the missing link between Humans and Apes. I'm sure that decades ago, scientists was saying that such thing was impossible, but today or yesterday, something actually proved them wrong. What would say that such thing won't happen again to the Loch Ness Monster?

Åzurε May 20th, 2009 7:14 PM

Loch. Loch Ness Monster.

Are you saying that the old guys do make you believe it, or they don't? I can't tell.

PokemonFanatic2 May 20th, 2009 7:34 PM

Well, some people beleived the loch ness monster was just elephants swimming, but since elephants don't live in scotland, they scratched that out. I beleive that the loch ness monster exists, and we might have not had solid proof yet because humans can't go more then 30 feet under the water or they are crushed by the water pressure, so the loch ness monster might live really deep in the water and only come out and get food or see the sun or something.

I myself beleive that the myth is real though.

s l u g May 20th, 2009 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by オレンジ (Post 4658609)
Self-contradiction. Be sure to understand your source(s) before continuing a discussion.

Sorry for that.. :\

Belief is not proof as you all say, but scientific evidence also does not proof that nessie isn't real, i believe by the next decade we should have scientific evidence too, and ok if she doesn't exist so who was underneath the water whenever people sighted something ok even if not ness, couldn't it be something else..?

pokerus34 May 21st, 2009 7:37 PM

I think Nessie is a link between our previous Aquatic Dinosaurs in the Jurassic Era...

Because of the recent proofs that this... Thing... Exists, i don't think it's still a hoax...

P.S. - It might be in your ordinary Village lake... :)

Virtual Chatot May 21st, 2009 8:01 PM

No one can deny that the cave paintings done by ancient Celtic people look extremely similar to the Dinosaurs we "know" to have lived millions of years before humans did.

I think this truth can settle this argument quite nicely. Will we cover our ears and simply believe Science's "facts" or will we see that we actually understand and know so little? Science has been wrong more than once, even with so called facts.

♣Gawain♣ May 21st, 2009 10:02 PM

Well, there has been many theories in how a huge plesiosaurs have gotten in the loch(and survive the disaster in the Late Cretaceous period) . Like after the melting of the glaciers that eventually forms the loch, the surviving plesiosaurs then travels the gap that joins the loch to the sea. And it managed to escape detention over the eons. But it's a theory, not a fact. But there are many scientific findings over the past years, which includes the corpse of a mysterious thing which has been discovered accidentally by a Jap fishing boat over the loch. Those findings can be promising.

I still believe there's something big lurking beneath that loch. And never argue with me. It's just my opinion.

Emily. May 21st, 2009 10:27 PM

I literally laughed when I saw this thread.
Nessie is merely a myth, a tourist attraction for Inverness. All of the pictures above have been proved as hoaxes - as mentioned by various other people.
It's very unlikely that there is a creature of said proportions lurking in the lake. Whether or not people have found "unusual artefacts;" it's still no proof that there is in fact a Loch Ness Monster. Plus, people dig up bizarre things all the time (this is directed at Rigel), so why would one thing from a loch with a supposed monster in it be any different? It's not.

But then again, all of this is just my opinion on the matter, not attempting to start an argument, I'm just justifying my point.

So, all in all, no, I do not believe the Loch Ness Monster exists. (And yeah, I'm Scottish.)

processr May 21st, 2009 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokemonFanatic2 (Post 4659816)
...and we might have not had solid proof yet because humans can't go more then 30 feet under the water or they are crushed by the water pressure, so the loch ness monster might live really deep in the water and only come out and get food or see the sun or something.

You do realise that humans have been to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, which is about 1,200 times as deep as your purported 30 feet limit? Not to mention that men and women have gone much deeper than 30 feet with free-diving. The bottom line is, if you're going to say stuff to make yourself sound smart, make sure it's actually correct before you say it.

Her May 21st, 2009 10:32 PM

NESSIE IS CLEARLY A HE. KTHXBAI


I don't believe in Nessie, it's just not possible.

Nessie would have to breed with another plesiosaurus, assuming theres at least 3 different plesiosaurs out there in the same lake. Don't forget how much they were supposed to eat, and to be honest, the quantity is huge.
So, yeah.

Edit:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily
Nessie is merely a myth, a tourist attraction for Inverness. All of the pictures above have been proved as hoaxes - as mentioned by various other people.

That pretty much beat the point of the thread. EMILY = WINNER.

Careful With That Axe, Pichu! May 22nd, 2009 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemon xd (Post 4658369)

That's an elephant taking a splash, dude.

Aziza May 22nd, 2009 12:12 PM

The photo looks odd.
The creature has an odd cut-off aswell. Where it meets the sea, I mean.
I don't believe.

Careful With That Axe, Pichu! May 22nd, 2009 12:18 PM

It's an elephant, as I say. Nothing odd about it.

Those who think it's actually Nessie... those are the weirdos.

Shem May 22nd, 2009 12:20 PM

nope i don't believe, from what i understand, Loch ness isn't that big. So how would it Harbor a population of giant animals. Food would run out and the gene pool too small and it would die off, even if it was there, it wouldn't have made it this long.

kingofjokers May 22nd, 2009 4:29 PM

Well i do believe in it but then no if it was real it might be extinct already you never know maybe there is a whole bunch of ness eggs at the bottom of the lake you never know

Her May 22nd, 2009 4:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingofjokers (Post 4664583)
Well i do believe in it but then no if it was real it might be extinct already you never know maybe there is a whole bunch of ness eggs at the bottom of the lake you never know

The eggs would need some sort of nourishment.
And besides, the pressure of the lake would crush them.

Tinhead Bruce May 25th, 2009 10:48 PM

Yeah... no. It's definitely not real. Honestly, someone needs to find some sort of conclusive evidence.


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