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What is a good hacker?
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Who's a good hacker? |
I think that people who find things for themselves are true and great hackers.
Like yourself, coolboyman, SCV and many others. |
A good hacker? There are lots out there. Thrace, Surf, Watermelon...me. Anyone that makes a good hack is a good hacker.
But a great hacker? That's completely different. Someone who does the main load of work and does a lot of research (or uses it) to help the greater community. You, SCV, Coolboyman, Pichu2001, LU-HO, thethethethe...Those are great hackers. |
What about Jagold? :) I mean he is like the best one. Zel was only remaking.
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Some of the stuff that zel has scripted is amazing.
In Shiny Gold, there are some of the most complicated scripts I have seen. He put a massive effort into it. |
A good hacker?
It's a human who liks spending their time on the computer. Has many great ideas and does not use or copy any other mapping styles. They are also a great scripter and can use a hex editor. |
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Hmm....i think amazing hacker will be the one who can concerntrate on hacking,the one who has talent on hacking and the one who likes pasta! ;D
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xD, I think I wrote something on this a while ago. Lemme see if I can find it, and then I'll edit this post, mmk?
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Helping people begin to hack is the greatest skill any hacker could possess. |
A good hacker should be creative, helpful, capable and know how to choose good team
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A great hacker is one who can find things out for themselves. tools make it far more efficient but a truly Great hacker understands how to hack every thing even if they don't have any tools but a hex editor. In other words a great hacker is one that understands what makes the game tick(I'm not even near this.) . Remember game design is different from a great hacker.
P.S. You don't have to know how to do everything you just need to know the basics. |
Someone who puts forth their best effort no matter how poorly their skills are. Effort, is what matters, not if they know this is that.
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well yes their great hackers but sometimes great hackers can be a little rude
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I don't think theres a blanket statement to describe what makes a good hacker. |
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Also, something that would be a big plus:
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Good hacker is someone like Twilite Darkrai, Watermelon~ etc
Great hacker is someone like Destinedajagold, Zel 2.0 and those who'd completed the hacks. For me i'm poor :'( |
I think a good hacker is someone who:
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A good hacker, someone to does what they can to the best of their ability, isn't too dependent on tools (and good with a hex editor) and will never give up.
And who are they? Well, it could be anyone, if they put some effort into it. |
ASM knowledge may may help with reverse engineering but if someone overdoes it on warping the code side of things then their overall hack could be arguably worse off as a consequence, not as they intended. It's like someone wanting their food well-done but then going too far and cremating it.
I can't speak for everyone who hacks ROMs or play them, of course, but I prefer the majority of the gameplay in a RPG hack to stick with how it was in the game it's a hack of. I like good stories and challenging battles above all else. Any other content when done 'right' is merely a bonus. |
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Rom Hackers are humans too! We all have emotions and tipping points, the only reason people go ape is because they have people asking them the same question everyday. But then there are just downright rude people too. |
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From the responses I have seen so far, people seem to associate "good hackers" with being a hacker rather than just an editor. To me people who are editors are those who simply use programs that someone else has made and could not do the task without said programs. Hackers (whom I refer to as researchers) are those who do not give up when there are no tools, rather they collect information and build knowledge to come up with a solution themselves. Good hackers are those who make huge leaps in many areas. For example, loadingNOW. I'll use the 4th gen as an example. There were many hackers that took to the challenge and started researching DP. There were even some programs made for DP based on that research. However, most of those programs are very inflexible. The only program that truly stand as that made by a good hacker is thenewpoketext. Of course, loadingNOW has also made advances in other areas besider rom hacking, which is really what marks him as a good hacker. Of course that's an understatement to most since their standard for what a hacker is, is lower than mine. Note: I am relatively new, so I don't know much about who developed and researched 3rd gen hacking. There might have been other good hackers bad then but they are no longer producing what would be required for me to say that they are good hackers. |
There are two parts to ROM hacking:
1. The whole new game idea(map, tiles, sprites, text, events). 2. The game editing(coding in assembly language, editing 'existing'/'adding new' code in a hex editor). Now the first one has to be genuinly creative, a visionary even. Creativity isn't something you work at attaining, it's a gift. Now those who are gifted in Creativity may not be gifted in the mind set you really need to hack a ROM. Serious game editing really requires you to have a good memory and a gift in programming. Now there is a hacker, I know who is a greatly creative person, but isn't really into the programming side, but this hasn't halted them in anyway, as like anyone, even if your coding isn't too hot, you can still do it, it just takes a fair bit of practice. |
I'd define hacker the mostly the same way as scv does. i that does not to devalue all the graphic design, working with script editors mapping etc pp - actually using the tools and information the hackers figured out to make something wothwile is also a complicated task perhaps even more so. however it's more 'modding' or even game design than hacking.
so as a brief history (n my definition - so no game designers, editors) of the good poke hackers i know and what they did there were a few before that most notably the guy who found dv/ivs but i can't remember the name but he would really deserves a spot Meowth346 - the most promintent figure in gsc and early advance gen he used to run a site called pokefor was the first to figure out a lot of things and the first site with a cool php based database pokedex which all major sites have these days however he never shared his raw data after gsc days. he stepped down before the remakes were released in the us there was a lot of drama involved back then. Tauwasser, F-Zero et al. - These guys did some amazig stuff in gsc early advance gen like figuring out the gsc and rs mapdata the compression in gsc and the animations. also gsc scripting. also woked on actual hacks but only a beta was ever released Kawa, interdepth et al - also worked on maps, scripts etc (elitemap!), also made one of the best hack demos ever released. Working on an alternate pokemon engine these days PokemonHacker (kenobi) - figured out the ar protection of pokedata in rs i worked with him on a lot of advance and gamecube projects. basicly only a fraction of my advance projects would have been possible without him Mastermind_X - well i guess he is new enough for you to know his projects. he started porting AR codes to the german versions but quickly surpassed that Eevee, Zhen Lin et al - worked on encryption of the sprites and found a polynomial to approximate and decrypt befor i finally figured out the real algorithm for pokedspic. also worked on a lot more datastrctures relevant for dp pokedexes SCV - you also know him ;) I first noticed him when he broke the cheat detection i developed by figuring out the mystery of the random numbers for himself these japanese guys (can't remember their nicknames either) - figuring out the pokeencryption and save structures as well as dipstar (early ar) codes in dp. I still wonder how they did that so fast i was already named by scv so i am lucky i don't have to nominate myself ;). I started with gs but never did anything worthwhile back then (it was mostly a learnig experience) the first useful stuff from me was for the gba games |
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