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Mitchman June 10th, 2009 3:19 AM

Coro Coro Scans (June) - Discussion
 

We have more info on the Jirachi now - it's an event Pokemon, given out in Japan (and more specifically, McDonalds - leastways, they have a significant role in the handing out of them - however there is some confusion on whether Jirachi will be entirely given out via local Wireless or not) for D/P/Pt. It is said that trading it to HG/SS will unlock a new area, rumoured to be called 'Edge of the Night Sky'.
It comes with the moves Wish, Confusion, Rest, and Draco Meteor. Comes with a Liechi Berry as well - and it's downloadable in Japan from the 19th of June, to the 17th of July.

Latest on the list - the new boxart is revealed!

New pics.

Hoenn weather trio confirmed, pokedex art and screens, Johto map seen in backround almost fully, Jirachi info, More Pokemon following, a lot of screens, Cynthia and Arceus info, and some preorder gifts.

WindBlows June 10th, 2009 4:09 AM

I just can say 7 words (maybe more 8D)...

OH MY GOD! I will buy this game...

It is just awesome!

Why haven't they shown us the heroine? =(

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 4:10 AM

Thats if they are in and lol Silver looks like mars and Cynthia is hopefully part of the game. Things just get more and more epic. Ah Arceus is mentioned do not pay attention to cynthia.

Awesome. June 10th, 2009 4:11 AM

i want to get this game so badly now

YellowPen June 10th, 2009 4:14 AM

i hope that plus sign doesn't mean that you need both to activate the Rayquaza event

looks good though

yaminokame June 10th, 2009 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by YellowPen (Post 4735006)
i hope that plus sign doesn't mean that you need both to activate the Rayquaza event

looks good though

Yeah, you need both of them in one game to get Rayquaza to appear :3

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 4:17 AM

Ah darn that sucks but it means you need to buy both games to get one Pokemon. Doesn't matter for me as I would get both anyway.

yaminokame June 10th, 2009 4:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4735014)
Ah darn that sucks but it means you need to buy both games to get one Pokemon. Doesn't matter for me as I would get both anyway.

Yeah haha I kind of dodged a bullet there because I only every buy one game of the set, and still have my three from Emerald :P Oh well, they'll be good to catch and trade away XD

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 4:21 AM

As long as they do not have crap stats I would be happy.

bobandbill June 10th, 2009 4:25 AM

Well, hurrah for early leaks once again. (Didn't quite expect them today though, but eh).

The Hoenn legends roaming is...unexpected. I didn't think that'd happen, tbh. But it appears it is the case now. Wonder if they'd get a storyline? (One kinda hopes so, as Hoenn legendaries just walking around Johto when they should be a region and an ocean away kinda warrents an explanation).

It seems to suggest (but far from confirm) the possibibility of a National Dex sort of thing, where the Kanto/Johto Pokemon are only available until you beat the Elite Four - curiously there is only the mention of the Elite Four, however - maybe there is no other requirement? I wouldn't assume such a thing though at this stage, given the limited info.

Huzzah for Silver Art - I liketh, have to say. Meh on the very-similar-looking battle system to Platinum, Elm seems... a touch creepy-looking on first impressions (never quite liked his look though).

Three not-that-clear screenshots out there - one looks kinda like a lab (Elm's, I'd assume), and the one next to the Team Rocket girl appears to be a cave. Maybe Slowpoke Well, or the cave before that, possibly, are my first guesses. Background looks like to me part of the Johto Map as well.

yaminokame June 10th, 2009 4:31 AM

Oh yeah just thought I should mention, the roaming tidbit is just speculation. There was no real basis to make that translation from that scan (of what we could see at least) I think I know the answer, but if this is "post-elite four," if Kanto really is in the game, does that mean after beating the Johto elite four, or after beating the Kanto elite four? If I had to pick... I think it would be after the Johto Elite four... :/ I'm pretty sure that was considered the "ending" of the game last time... (the place where the credits first rolled)

Argent Crusader June 10th, 2009 4:31 AM

How Ancient Pokémon that are supposed to be sealed under secret chambers in the Hoenn Region are now roaming over Johto? Geez, Pokémon Lore is going to the $%&# with this... once again.
At least they should explain WHY they are roaming Johto. Marketing is seriuosly deteriorating Pokémon Storyline.

I liked Elm and Silver, they look neat. Team Rocket Grunt has a big fail on her: orange "R" symbol. We all know that TR brand symbol is red...
Oh, and that PokéBall in Silver's hand. Is that a Heavy Ball?

KoRatta June 10th, 2009 4:31 AM

I like rival more than Gold, can i choose him ? *^_^*

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 4:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KoRatta (Post 4735036)
I like rival more than Gold, can i choose him ? *^_^*

He is your rival why would you choose him and we already have the girl.

bobandbill June 10th, 2009 4:43 AM

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He is your rival why would you choose him and we already have the girl.
Because, darn it, Silver is superior to both the girl and Gold as well. Can't blame him for wanting that. =P

HE'll be unplayable though, I'm pretty sure - hopefully they expand on his personality some, though.

Note - it is expected some more scans will come sooner or later - they will be added to the 1st post when that happens. In the meantime, keep posts on topic, and yadda yadda yadda.

Captain Fabio June 10th, 2009 5:00 AM

Ahahaha!
That picture made me laugh!

You see son, if you breed a Kyogre with a Groudon, you get a Rayquaza.

Very interesting. If the 3rd Gen's are in there now, I ponder what normal Pokemon will be available...

TERRA#493 June 10th, 2009 5:03 AM

Okay, that are awesome news.. or?
Well, but in my opinion, Groudon in HeartGold and Kyogre in SoulSilver would be better. Why? See... Groudon lives on land, not in the seas... as well as Ho-Oh. Kyogre lives in the Seas like Lugia. That would be better, but... Groudon and Kyogre will be ROAMING Pokemon? Thats a joke, or? A Groudon is naturally so fast, that it can easily move from one location to another... And the best will be, when you see on you map: "Oh, Groudon is now on Route 40, i must hurry up!"... yea hurry up, use Surf, and catch Groudon in the ocean.... .___."

The picture of the Rival is good, but that hair .__.

bobandbill June 10th, 2009 5:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TERRA#493 (Post 4735091)
Okay, that are awesome news.. or?
Well, but in my opinion, Groudon in HeartGold and Kyogre in SoulSilver would be better. Why? See... Groudon lives on land, not in the seas... as well as Ho-Oh. Kyogre lives in the Seas like Lugia. That would be better, but... Groudon and Kyogre will be ROAMING Pokemon? Thats a joke, or? A Groudon is naturally so fast, that it can easily move from one location to another... And the best will be, when you see on you map: "Oh, Groudon is now on Route 40, i must hurry up!"... yea hurry up, use Surf, and catch Groudon in the ocean.... .___."

The picture of the Rival is good, but that hair .__.

Somehow I have the sligth feeling it should be the other way too (maybe it's that blue is closer to Silver than Gold, and Red closer to Gold than Silver), but OH WELL very minor thing at any rate.

As for the roaming part - actually, it is unknown if they will roam or not - many have assumed this, but apparently it does not say this. Or leastways, as far as we know.

EDIT: Arceus in HG/SS? Pic below - appears this way though. Maybe.
http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.jpg
It apparently differs from Platinum's (note the appearance of Cynthia there), and looks like an event. Very little known on this thus far, though... =/

More minor edits!
Taken from a post made by yaminokame:
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Well, assuming that I was able to pick out the characters that it had earlier (unfortunately it seems it was deleted), this is what it says: 「アルセウス」と伝説のポケモンたちの誕生が目撃 -- Witness "Arceus" and the birth of the legendary Pokemon

GunSaberSeraph June 10th, 2009 5:36 AM

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I used a photo program to make the Arceus picture a little clearer.

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bobandbill June 10th, 2009 5:42 AM

More on it: the dialogue apparently says 'Of the three lives, you have been given the right to choose one of them.' Sounds like it's in reference to Palkia/Dialga/Giratina? =/ Apparently might be the Arceus movie event now.

BeachBoy June 10th, 2009 5:43 AM

AHAHAHA

Kyogre? That's too awesome. [/worships Kyogre like a religion]

Nintendo must've got my emails. <3 Really though, was not expecting that. XD

Silver art looks rad, and the Arceus event sure seems... interesting. >:)

Ooka June 10th, 2009 5:47 AM

Well, it's sounding to me like there will be some fighting in each game, such as Lugia having to take care of Groudon and vice-versa. That would be the only way I could explain why they'd put Lugia and Groudon in the same game, as they have nothing in common. :/

bobandbill June 10th, 2009 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ɐʞoo (Post 4735200)
Well, it's sounding to me like there will be some fighting in each game, such as Lugia having to take care of Groudon and vice-versa. That would be the only way I could explain why they'd put Lugia and Groudon in the same game, as they have nothing in common. :/

Hmm... probably too early to assume this, so far - there is many a way they can justify their appearance in HG/SS after all (if they bother to do so, that is XD). And by that stage, if it follows GSC, wouldn't Lugia have already been obtainable? That's assuming it does follow GSC, of course, but there's not much on why that shouldn't be the case...

Ooka June 10th, 2009 5:52 AM

That was just the fanboy in me hoping I'd get to see an epic clash like R/S/E. xD

Artemis June 10th, 2009 5:53 AM

This is definitely one of the most interesting piece of news yet. I definitely think having Groudon in SoulSilver fits as well as having Kyogre in HeartGold fits too. The reason why is because Pokémon seems to like doing things the opposite way at times. I don't know how the whole roaming idea will work, but if it based like how it was in Emerald [caves and locatiosn around the region], then I'd say it'll be alright. It'll also add some nice weather effect to the game if done so. As for Kyogre, I can picture that being a roaming Pokémon if you have both in one game as it flies and is very fast.

Having them in the region, awaken makes perfect sense though. I mean the events with them occured nearly three years ago for the game's timeline. This being, these three legendaries were awakened, but when they were put to rest [or caught] it never explained exactly where they went. So, I guess this fits nicely, plus to capture Groudone once more [because I'm getting SoulSilver] will be bringing back a lot of old memories since my very first game was Pokémon Ruby.

Now, on to the amazing new personas for some characters. Porfessor Elm, defintiely kept his look, but he has definitely improved since the originals. I see nothing to complain about him. In his lab however, there is a plus side seeing as they kept the healing machine on the lower floor again. With this being said, then it may very well be that the mother continues to save and spend our money for us like in the orignals as she never was able to give us rest because of this.

Silver, he looks perfect. They barely made a dent with him and has still kept that vengeful look in him. His hair actually does look similar to the Silver in the Pokémon Chronicles introduction. This is a nice improvement for him indeed. He's kept his rough look, his posture is pretty well done, his eyes are not as dull or strange as the new female and Gold may have, and not to mention he doesn't look extremely weak or skinny. I like how they've made improvements with him and has definitely made him more modern with the older feel of things.

As for the Team Rocket female, well it looks pretty well done. I'm simply hoping it is the scan that makes the 'R' look orange and not red. Anyway, this is only the female version of Team Rocket, as I'd like to see the new admins and the male grunts as well. Also, you know if they show any scan with a possible Giovanni, something will be up with him possibly [now this is strict speculation here on my part].

The battle scene, defintiely resembles that of Platinum and I expected it to be this way. Nothing really much different there and it's cool that it showed the battle with Silver over anyone else. Gold's back sprite as well looks decent [just wish the scan was a bit better quality, oh well].

Now, the biggest news pretty much is Cynthia and Arceus. It is definitely a different view from that of Platinum. Also, could this mean that an event for Arceus will be held for HGSS as well possible and add in a storyline twist with Cynthia to cameo?...Anyway, seeing this and having the new 12th movie coming out in Japan Soon and of course eventually to be released in the rest of the world, it makes me think. I strongly believe that there will be a certain event for Arceus in America now and with the 12th movie to be out next year as well, I wonder if the game will have a release date close to the release of the movie as well. It has a possibility of it, and may just happen. I'm glad that we get to see Cynthia again though, and it makes me wonder what other possibilities these remakes will have.

I'd expect a few more scans to be out sometime later this week. I have to admit though, these were very beneficial scans and it has kept me wanting the game more and more.

Swift! June 10th, 2009 5:59 AM

I didn't think it was possible for them to make Silver look even more badass, but they did it.

Also, Kyogre in HeartGold? Awesome.

Ooka June 10th, 2009 6:06 AM

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4735215)
I don't know how the whole roaming idea will work, but if it based like how it was in Emerald [caves and locatiosn around the region], then I'd say it'll be alright. It'll also add some nice weather effect to the game if done so. As for Kyogre, I can picture that being a roaming Pokémon if you have both in one game as it flies and is very fast.

I hope they don't pull that number again. I'd prefer they just leave them in a cave somewhere and you go get them. It makes it so much harder to IV/Nature catch Pokemon when they can run from you. That is of course if they can run from you.

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4735215)
In his lab however, there is a plus side seeing as they kept the healing machine on the lower floor again.

In game his lab has always had one floor. o.o

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4735215)
Also, you know if they show any scan with a possible Giovanni, something will be up with him possibly [now this is strict speculation here on my part].

I'm hoping they'll put some stuff in this game about Giovanni. I actually see him as an interesting character, while some people just see him as another Team Rocket member.

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4735215)
I'm glad that we get to see Cynthia again though, and it makes me wonder what other possibilities these remakes will have.

Tbh, it's starting to look more like a new game and less like a remake. I mean, Hoenn legends are cool and all, but they don't really go along with the original storyline (Unless of course Nintendo pulls something out of their.... well, you get the idea). Now we've got Cynthia in the mix, if I start seeing anything about taking a boat to Sinnoh I'm going to murder someone. >:o

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4735215)
I'd expect a few more scans to be out sometime later this week. I have to admit though, these were very beneficial scans and it has kept me wanting the game more and more.

I don't expect anything else major this week. :/

bobandbill June 10th, 2009 6:11 AM

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In game his lab has always had one floor. o.o
However, in a screenshot/videos of New Bark Town, Elm's Lab from the outside has a balcony and stairs leading up to it.
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I'm hoping they'll put some stuff in this game about Giovanni. I actually see him as an interesting character, while some people just see him as another Team Rocket member.
Note that in FR/LG, they mention that Giovanni has a 'kid' with 'red hair', which is believed to be Silver.

Cynthia being in appears to be part of this event (which seemingly is a movie event) which is fair enough, I suppose.

And we probably can expect a few more Coro Coro scans today/tomorrow, most probably.

BeachBoy June 10th, 2009 6:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ɐʞoo (Post 4735238)
Tbh, it's starting to look more like a new game and less like a remake. I mean, Hoenn legends are cool and all, but they don't really go along with the original storyline (Unless of course Nintendo pulls something out of their.... well, you get the idea).

See FireRed and LeafGreen + Legendary Beasts; the Hoenn legends aren't that fresh of an idea, really.

Ooka June 10th, 2009 6:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 4735250)
However, in a screenshot/videos of New Bark Town, Elm's Lab from the outside has a balcony and stairs leading up to it.
Note that in FR/LG, they mention that Giovanni has a 'kid' with 'red hair', which is believed to be Silver.

He said again so I was just letting him know there was one floor the first time. xD

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 4735250)
And we probably can expect a few more Coro Coro scans today/tomorrow, most probably.

Awesome, I figured maybe a few important Coro Coro scan a week on a good week, haha.

Artemis June 10th, 2009 6:20 AM

At the time of having the legendary beasts in FRLG was so we could obtain most of the Johto Pokémon to fill our PokéDex. However, now that the games are progressing and people are more playing the newer games, they will need to include some Hoenn type Pokémon to fill the Dex. Preferable those that are harder to catch. Plus, it actually makes sense to add these three Hoenn Legendaries. For one, the three Kanto birds were included in Platinum, so it isn't needed in the remake really. Secondly, there is Kanto, so maybe they may include some of the Kanto legendaries to make catchable, such as Mewtwo in the Cerulean Cave. Not to mention, the three Regiis were found in Platinum, so they won't need to be put in the remakes either. Now, the Johto is back, so the legendary beasts and other Johto legendaries will be available for the players. With all this included between Platinum and the remakes, that basically leaves out Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza. So, it isn't about changing the game from the definition of a remake, but more or less allowing the game players to catch the unobtainable legendaries that were not available without migration or in Platinum.

I think a lot of people will like this. Some may even think it could be reference to a remake of the Hoenn games, but as good as that sounds to some, it probably won't. Not yet anyway as things are still early for everyone. Not to mention, with the remakes and DPPt alone, players can basically catch and fill nearly the entire Pokédex now.

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Originally Posted by ɐʞoo (Post 4735263)
He said again so I was just letting him know there was one floor the first time. xD

Trust me, I already knew there was one floor before, I guess it was just a misunderstanding with wording. No big deal really.

EDIT: By the way, I was reading on serebii.net about the whole Arceus event. It was stated there that "possible from a Japanese Forum" if you trade over the Movie Arceus into HeartGold and SoulSilver then, you can unlock a level 1 Dialga, Palkia, or Giratina. Now I don't know how true this may be, but here is what it basically said:

LINK: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

http://i42.tinypic.com/124h2bs.jpg

Pyrax June 10th, 2009 6:32 AM

Awesome :D
Honestly, I don't see Kyogre and Groudon as roaming Pokémon.

Ooka June 10th, 2009 6:37 AM

I just don't see that happening, I mean, the possibility of getting them might be there, but at Lv. 1? To the best of my knowledge no legend has ever been obtainable at level 1 because they can't breed. :/

Detox June 10th, 2009 6:39 AM

Regigigas was at lvl 1 in plat.

Oh noes, I dont want Groudon in my game >:

Ooka June 10th, 2009 6:41 AM

Ah, completely forgot about the worst legend in creation. xD

That's probably why they didn't instantly mark it as scam then.

bobandbill June 10th, 2009 6:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ɐʞoo (Post 4735314)
I just don't see that happening, I mean, the possibility of getting them might be there, but at Lv. 1? To the best of my knowledge no legend has ever been obtainable at level 1 because they can't breed. :/

Regis (or leastways, Regigigas in Platinum) says otherwise. Admittedly, it is a bit odd to see such a thing once again, but considering there's Arceus involved and the dialogue involves the choice of seeing the 'birth' out of three Pokemon (and Dialga/Palkia/Giratina are related to Arceus as it created them), it's kinda valid, if it turns out to be true. (Given this discussion came from Japanese sites as well, it's somewhat got a tad more credibility to it for the time being).

Needs more info/confirmation though, really. Only 'real' stuff is what one can see from those scans - what they may mean exactly is still up in the air.

Ooka June 10th, 2009 6:45 AM

Yeah, Serebii has published plenty of information before that has come back false, so it's best not to get our hopes up.

Detox June 10th, 2009 6:46 AM

I just hope they dont overload these with legends like they did in plat...I mean Mew, Mewtwo, The dogs/Cats/Wtf ever they are, the birds, Lugia and Ho-oh, possibly Celebi,and the two fails(I luv Rayquaza) from Hoenn are enough.

Still not wantig Groudon in my SoulSilver though. That actually tempts me to buy Heartgold instead(since Kyogre is better than Groudon)

Artemis June 10th, 2009 6:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon12345678901 (Post 4735327)
WOW!!!!!! ARE THESE REAL?!?!? I MUST GET THESE GAMES!!!!

Yes, you can totally believe in them. They are the most recent CoroCor scans released and it has definitely given out quite some unexpected news. It is said that some may be released later on this week again, but we'll see.

Oh yeah, there was a legendary level one Pokémon which would have been Giratina in Platinum. Though it is hard for me to believe seeing as though we've already had Dialga and the rest in every 4th Gen Game so far and the level we catch them at isn't bad either. We'll see though, maybe the scans that are expected later this week, may say something about it...or not.

Pokemon12345678901 June 10th, 2009 6:53 AM

It appears that Elm will have his own sprite this time. The Ground/Kygore event seems interesting enough. By what I can see the Silver sprite looks great. The artwork for Elm, Silver, and the rocket grunt looks good. Silver's is a bit more modern like the rest of them. I wish I knew what the Arceus event said. Oh and I'm sorry how I acted in the previous post I was just excited.

billi1000 June 10th, 2009 7:24 AM

ya now thats a game, cant wait for them to release pictures of kanto and mnt silver, seems the kyogre groudon thing is something that definitely gives a sign, it seems nintendo is moving away from relying on sapphire/ruby to obtain the 3 gen legends, oh well hope these games are not dsi exclusive

Leitz09 June 10th, 2009 7:36 AM

silver reminds me of someone from the anime... dunno who though... paul perhaps?

Shem June 10th, 2009 7:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Argent Crusader (Post 4735035)
How Ancient Pokémon that are supposed to be sealed under secret chambers in the Hoenn Region are now roaming over Johto? Geez, Pokémon Lore is going to the $%&# with this... once again.
At least they should explain WHY they are roaming Johto. Marketing is seriuosly deteriorating Pokémon Storyline.

Nobody ever said that there were only one of each legend, in fact, we've already seen multiples. Three sets of dogs have apeared in Kanto, Johto, and pokemon ranger (fiorre?). We've already seen 2 sets of the birds in Sinnoh and Kanto. Multiples of Lugia and Ho-oh, one set in Johto and one in the Sevvi Islands. Not to mention we already saw a multiple set of the Hoenn Legends in Ranger... And I haven't played Shadows of Almia but I'm sure that there is multiples of legendaries there.


Anyway, that's pretty cool, but Groudon in Soul Silver? That's really swaying me towards Heart Gold...

I just have to keep telling myself that it doesn't matter and I won't use the legends anyway XD

Pokemon12345678901 June 10th, 2009 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkai (Post 4735459)
Nobody ever said that there were only one of each legend, in fact, we've already seen multiples. Three sets of dogs have apeared in Kanto, Johto, and pokemon ranger (fiorre?). We've already seen 2 sets of the birds in Sinnoh and Kanto. Multiples of Lugia and Ho-oh, one set in Johto and one in the Sevvi Islands. Not to mention we already saw a multiple set of the Hoenn Legends in Ranger... And I haven't played Shadows of Almia but I'm sure that there is multiples of legendaries there.


Anyway, that's pretty cool, but Groudon in Soul Silver? That's really swaying me towards Heart Gold...

I just have to keep telling myself that it doesn't matter and I won't use the legends anyway XD

Yeah, they never said that there was only one legendary. You can know that by watching the anime. Baby legendaries, multiple Shaymins, and many others.

Ontopic: The new art for Silver makes him seem kinda girlish (says my brother not me XD)

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 8:06 AM

In the first post I put a much clear shot of the Arceus thing.

Yuoaman June 10th, 2009 8:11 AM

I think they did a great job with redesigning Prof. Elm and Silver, they feel new, but still give you that nostalgic feeling.

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 4735526)
I think they did a great job with redesigning Prof. Elm and Silver, they feel new, but still give you that nostalgic feeling.

Silver looks like the love child of Mars and Giovanni so i really cannot get the nostalgic feel besides his jacket. Elm though is as careless as ever.

Spinosaurus June 10th, 2009 8:38 AM

Yes!

Groudon in SS,my favourite legendary on the version im getting ^^

Heh,Silver's hair is kinda,well,girly.Dont take me seriously but it doesnt fit him at all,he looks like mars now xD

Artemis June 10th, 2009 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowampharos (Post 4735588)
Yes!

Groudon in SS,my favourite legendary on the version im getting ^^

Heh,Silver's hair is kinda,well,girly.Dont take me seriously but it doesnt fit him at all,he looks like mars now xD

I'm at least satisfied they did not revert on cutting Silver's hair short. If they did that, then Silver might have gotten the nicer guy appearance rather than it matching his current game personality. Actually, his shirt is my favorite part of him as it keeps his old look, but it brings it more to a modern style.

By the way, is it me or is the new close up picture with Cynthia look a little different. I mean her OW sprite seems a little altered from that of what was in DPPt [I'm not sure, it may just be the scan giving it a different look a bit].

Asztrik June 10th, 2009 8:56 AM

I like the new character artwork. Especially Silvers, and his sprite looks good (from a distance that is). Although I wish Gold's backsprite could have been better, it seems too condensed. But thats not a big issue, I'll get used to it.
Anyways, that looks like a time machine in Elm's lab.

Sublime June 10th, 2009 8:56 AM

I didn't really feel like reading through the whole thread so someone might have already said this, but I personally do not like the ideas of the Hoenn legends and/or possibly Sinnoh legends. This is a 2nd Gen remake and in my opinion, they should keep it as close to G/S/C as possible. I mean, if these guys show up POST-National Dex, I'd be happy. I just hope they don't get integrated into the main story line.

Retro Bug June 10th, 2009 8:57 AM

I think Silver looks awesome. Prof.Elm too, I'm glad they changed the TR Grunt, the old one looked so much like Jesse, I wonder what the male TR Grunt will look like. Probably exactly like the old one but updated grapics.

D: I really don't want Groudon, I they've changed it around I think it would have made more sense like that. Groudon, is fire (sorta) and so is Ho-oh. Kyougre is water, and so is Lugia. Unless they were trying to get the opposite of the main POkémon of the game. Oh well at least I don't have to play Emerald, or trade them over from Diamond.

Edit:
I hope that they don't put the Hoenn legends into the main storyline, that would just ruin everything. Hopefully they come after you get the National Dex, because that would be after you beat the Elite Four.

Asztrik June 10th, 2009 9:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Discostick. (Post 4735623)
I think Silver looks awesome. Prof.Elm too, I'm glad they changed the TR Grunt, the old one looked so much like Jesse, I wonder what the male TR Grunt will look like. Probably exactly like the old one but updated grapics.

D: I really don't want Groudon, I they've changed it around I think it would have made more sense like that. Groudon, is fire (sorta) and so is Ho-oh. Kyougre is water, and so is Lugia. Unless they were trying to get the opposite of the main POkémon of the game. Oh well at least I don't have to play Emerald, or trade them over from Diamond.

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I hope that they don't put the Hoenn legends into the main storyline, that would just ruin everything. Hopefully they come after you get the National Dex, because that would be after you beat the Elite Four.

I agree, and puting them in would also ruin it chronologically... I mean RSE is also three years before GSC so the legendaries would already be caught (unless there is more than just one of each).

Artemis June 10th, 2009 9:13 AM

I strongly believe all of this will be posted after the National Dex. Seeing Team Rocket around and all, it seems like they'll still be up to their usual crimes they committed in the original versions [Gold and Silver]. I'm not sure if it was stated in the scans, but even if it wasn't, the game would make more sense to hold it back until after receiving the National Dex altogether. Now there are new areas in the game, or so seen. So, maybe this time there will be seperate Elites however. With this, it'll allow us to get the National Dex earlier than before and it'll also enable peolple to get the loose new legendaries in the game as well as have enuogh time to get to Arceus. If this is so, then I think I'll like it, because it means two time the fun and maybe it'll give Kanto a chance at a story within it.

Though, I admit Johto has been altered a bit, having some new Mushroom like location, Cianwood City getting a canal a propose, and a few other details. Seeing Johto expanded is a nice touch though, as the game did seem a bit too small even with two regions included. Still though, I believe the Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, and Arceus placements will be held until after recieving the Nat. Dex. As for why Groudon is in SoulSilver and Kyogre is in HeartGold, I think it is basically to follow the opposite lead purpose. It doesn't bother me, and like said it's really another reason for Nintendo and GameFreak wanting us to buy both versions over one.

Satoshi Ookami June 10th, 2009 9:15 AM

Does anyone know if Arceus will be only statue or we could capture him?

Silver0ice7 June 10th, 2009 9:23 AM

lol sweet I usually get both games (and plus the third if there is one) The Arceaus And Cynthia event look very interesting =)

@Discostick: It's been confirmed that the three birds + Mewtwo will be in it =O

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 9:26 AM

I think the canal area is new. That is too deep and far left to be Cianwood but why add it. Either way until we get a map we cannot be sure.

Britney's Circus June 10th, 2009 9:33 AM

I am getting Heart Gold now and since Groudon is in the Soul Silver then that makes my mind up.

Ryanniny June 10th, 2009 9:40 AM

i think i just died (L).

silver looks awesome :D
and i love how you can get groudon/kyogre & rayquaza :D, though i reckon kyogre should be for silver, and groudon for gold ;|
hopefully they'll get their own caves in kanto? they could easily be in cerulean cave, cos nothing else was there last time and you couldnt go in.
Rayquaza would probably be roaming, i can easily see that, the others, never.
or they could give rayquaza its own tower on cinnibar island or something :S

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Originally Posted by Silver0ice7 (Post 4735687)
lol sweet I usually get both games (and plus the third if there is one) The Arceaus And Cynthia event look very interesting =)

@Discostick: It's been confirmed that the three birds + Mewtwo will be in it =O

got any proof of that? :S

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 9:44 AM

The three birds I doubt it cause of platinum so do not listen to him.

yaminokame June 10th, 2009 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver0ice7 (Post 4735687)
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@Discostick: It's been confirmed that the three birds + Mewtwo will be in it =O

Since when was that confirmed? I've never seen anything about that more than speculation :/

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Originally Posted by Ash493 (Post 4735670)
Does anyone know if Arceus will be only statue or we could capture him?

Where did you get the idea of it being a statue? The only state of Arceus that I have ever seen is in PMD Sky :/ They have not said if we can catch Arceus ingame yet, but I seriously doubt it. Arceus thusfar is ment to catch Palkia, Dialoga or Giratina, that's about all we know.

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Originally Posted by Sublime (Post 4735621)
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I mean, if these guys show up POST-National Dex, I'd be happy. I just hope they don't get integrated into the main story line.

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Originally Posted by Discostick. (Post 4735623)
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I hope that they don't put the Hoenn legends into the main storyline, that would just ruin everything. Hopefully they come after you get the National Dex, because that would be after you beat the Elite Four.

The Hoenn legendaries come in after the elite four, which is essentially the end of the main story :/ I also seriously doubt that the Arceus thing will happen before the Elite Four...

Satoshi Ookami June 10th, 2009 9:58 AM

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Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4735743)
Where did you get the idea of it being a statue? The only state of Arceus that I have ever seen is in PMD Sky :/ They have not said if we can catch Arceus ingame yet, but I seriously doubt it.

I meant if he'll be just standing there or we can capture it :D
Anyways thanks for explaining :)

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ash493 (Post 4735760)
I meant if he'll be just standing there or we can capture it :D
Anyways thanks for explaining :)

Arceus I think is the one from the movie.

Retro Bug June 10th, 2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver0ice7 (Post 4735687)
@Discostick: It's been confirmed that the three birds + Mewtwo will be in it =O

Um, that's cool, but do you have any proof of this confirmed information? Because I haven't seen any.


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yaminokame:
The Hoenn legendaries come in after the elite four, which is essentially the end of the main story :/ I also seriously doubt that the Arceus thing will happen before the Elite Four...
Yes that's what I wanted. For the HL to come AFTER the Elite Four, I hadn't read yet that they did. So I was unsure. If the Hoenn Legends are going after the Elite Four, then the Arceus thing would too

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I just skimmed over a post, Cianwood City has a canal, or was that a speculation?

msdmario June 10th, 2009 10:11 AM

I am honestly not surprised to see the 3 Hoenn legends in this game. They are most likely adding them in the game because of the DSi and its lack of a GBA slot. The 3rd generation games are slowly becoming obsolete since the DSi was released. By the time the games are released in Japan, plenty of people will probably have that system because it would be almost a year since the DSi was first released in Japan. There will most likely be a good amount of people who only have the DSi and not one of the other two. Instead of just buying another DS just to obtain a few Pokemon from the old 3rd generation games, Gamefreak is adding some of those exclusive Pokemon into HG/SS like it already has with the Regis and the legendary birds for Platinum. They still need [email protected], the starters from Kanto and Hoenn, the Pokemon that only appeared through having a GBA slot such as Seviper and Ekans, Mewtwo, Celebi, and maybe a Jirachi event before all 493 Pokemon can be obtainable without the need of the 3rd generation cartridges.

Yuoaman June 10th, 2009 10:13 AM

Well there's a beach-ish area in the scans so people are guessing it to be Cianwood, though it could just as well be any other area...

seeker June 10th, 2009 10:15 AM

I actually cant wait any longer the anticipation is boiling my blood xD
These are fantastic thank you!!

yaminokame June 10th, 2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ash493 (Post 4735760)
I meant if he'll be just standing there or we can capture it :D
Anyways thanks for explaining :)

oooh I get what you were saying now lol XD I was really confused :P No problem haha

I'm really looking forward to seeing one of the three of them get born :) I think it'll be interesting ^^

"Shadow Lugia" June 10th, 2009 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Argent Crusader (Post 4735035)
How Ancient Pokémon that are supposed to be sealed under secret chambers in the Hoenn Region are now roaming over Johto? Geez, Pokémon Lore is going to the $%&# with this... once again.
At least they should explain WHY they are roaming Johto. Marketing is seriuosly deteriorating Pokémon Storyline.

First, I don't think it's been confirmed that they're roaming Pokemon.

Second, remember that this takes place 3 years after R/S/E/. It's quite possible that after the player defeated them they simply migrated to Johto/Kanto. The same thing happened with the Birds and Golems.

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 10:21 AM

What does that mean though? And also how does Arceus and Cynthia pop up? Another point is that was a small picture of a whole page. We still have 2 points and a lot of pages left so lets see. I mean each point takes up 2 pages no?

Satoshi Ookami June 10th, 2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4735765)
Arceus I think is the one from the movie.

Yeah that should be it

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4735836)
What does that mean though? And also how does Arceus and Cynthia pop up? Another point is that was a small picture of a whole page. We still have 2 points and a lot of pages left so lets see. I mean each point takes up 2 pages no?

Maybe after ya transfer it something like dimension hole will appear somewhere

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Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4735823)
oooh I get what you were saying now lol XD I was really confused :P No problem haha

Yeah I said it in bad way xD xD

Artemis June 10th, 2009 10:31 AM

Well it was speculated that with the sighting of movie Arceus you'll activate the lv. 1 Dialga, Palkia, or Giratina, so we'll see if this is true later on. However, on talk about the three bird, I doubt they'll appear seeing as they were available in Platinum. Mewtwo however could have a slight chance, but we'll need further information on that later on. I'm speculating that since this game is probably not a full featured DSi-only game, they may still continue the GBA slot feature to access other generation Pokémon like in DPPt [I'm not sure, but just maybe]. It is possible and can happen, and then they'll make the next generation game either DSi-only capable or made for a new system overall.

Though, the best news so far for me is getting to see more pictures of Johto. There is speculatiosn of whether or not Cianwood now has a canal or if it is part of a new location they've added into the game. It is also being rumored by some that a new Elite may be added in from one of these new locations, but isn't sure as the pictures are still kind of unclear. So far so good though, and I'm expecting in later scans we'll end up getting insight on gyms, and hopefully the story of the game next month most likely.

EDIT: The location of Arceus seems like no where ever seen before in Johto, so I'm wondering if they brought back a kind of similar area closely related to that of the Distortion World [/?].

Silver0ice7 June 10th, 2009 10:31 AM

It was confirmed on Serebii.net some time ago...

"Shadow Lugia" June 10th, 2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver0ice7 (Post 4735886)
It was confirmed on Serebii.net some time ago...

What are you referring to?

Artemis June 10th, 2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver0ice7 (Post 4735886)
It was confirmed on Serebii.net some time ago...

I check serebii.net everyday and relocate all archived news on the HeartGold and SoulSilver news. There hasn't been anything said about availability on the three birds or Mewtwo in the Gold and Silver Remakes, sorry.

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Originally Posted by "Shadow Lugia" (Post 4735895)
What are you referring to?

He was referring to the idea of Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno along with Mewtwo being confirmed to be found in HeartGold and SoulSilver.

SDODC13 June 10th, 2009 10:35 AM

I'm jumping around like a giddy school girl XD Squee the musical possiblilities. I sooooo want the RSE legends to get their music back. And omg wont it be awesome to have the D/P/Pt legends music ported as well.... ^^; I'm overjoyed. This sunday is gunna be awesome. Leaks here leakes there... I'm totally not obsessed o.o

Yuoaman June 10th, 2009 10:35 AM

That Mewtwo and the Three Birds would be in HGSS, though I believe he is mistaken, as I have seen no such message on Serebii.

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 4735905)
That Mewtwo and the Three Birds would be in HGSS, though I believe he is mistaken, as I have seen no such message on Serebii.

Platinum already got them covered.

"Shadow Lugia" June 10th, 2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4735901)
I check serebii.net everyday and relocate all archived news on the HeartGold and SoulSilver news. There hasn't been anything said about availability on the three bird or Mewtwo in the Gold and Silver Remakes, sorry.

Same with me and I've never seen that info. I could see Mewtwo appearing (perhaps an event with Giovanni?) but I really doubt the Birds will be there, seeing as the just appeared in Platinum.

Yuoaman June 10th, 2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4735916)
Platinum already got them covered.

What are you talking about, I was reiterating what he already said, I disagreed with his source.

Artemis June 10th, 2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 4735949)
What are you talking about, I was reiterating what he already said, I disagreed with his source.

He was talking about the three legendary birds, Articuno, Moltres, and Zapdos. He said they more than likely shall not be included into HeartGold and SoulSilver as they were brought into the wild in Platinum.

However, seeing as the games are becoming less dependant for the GBS slots,the idea of putting in the Hoenn Legendaries fits as pretty soon there would have been no other way to obtain it if the GBA slots aren't continued anymore [such as like the DSi]. Not to mention, these are basically the only non-event legendaries needed as event he three Regiis were put into Platinum as well.

Ryanniny June 10th, 2009 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by "Shadow Lugia" (Post 4735920)
Same with me and I've never seen that info. I could see Mewtwo appearing (perhaps an event with Giovanni?) but I really doubt the Birds will be there, seeing as the just appeared in Platinum.

yeah that'd be cool.
maybe after you get to kanto he'll appear at some team rocket event and give you a ticket to go to an island, like cresselia/darkrai event ?

also, whys everyone speculating about cianwood having a canal? you can't make out anything about the map from those screens?

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by f l a s h (Post 4735991)
He was talking about the three legendary birds, Articuno, Moltres, and Zapdos. He said they more than likely shall not be included into HeartGold and SoulSilver as they were brought into the wild in Platinum.

However, seeing as the games are becoming less dependant for the GBS slots,the idea of putting in the Hoenn Legendaries fits as pretty soon there would have been no other way to obtain it if the GBA slots aren't continued anymore [such as like the DSi]. Not to mention, these are basically the only non-event legendaries needed as event he three Regiis were put into Platinum as well.

[email protected] should be in too then just to do so. Then mewtwo would be an event and this will be perfect.

Ayselipera June 10th, 2009 11:06 AM

I'm happy to see that Silver looks
cooler in the remake. I always
thought he looked really stupid in
the originals.

Crysta Blade June 10th, 2009 11:26 AM

The Rival's design is creeping me out. Must be the hair, 'cause it looks a bit like Mars got gender reassignment surgery.

Also, in the pic where the Hero is talking to Elm, I can sort of make out the name 'Soul'. Are they playing this on SS, or is that the Hero's new default name?

Eggie Poo Poo June 10th, 2009 1:09 PM

What the hell? Cynthia in Gold and Silver? That has to be the stupidest thing they've ever done. Nintendo is screwing up this game too much now.... she better not have a part in the main plot, but rather just some thing AFTER the plot. Kyogre Groudon and Rayquaza are in the worst gen (3rd) and should BELONG there. Not in this awesome game.

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 1:19 PM

Ah complaints about sidequests and event only things are magical complaints,no?-

Speed June 10th, 2009 1:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggie Poo Poo (Post 4736436)
What the hell? Cynthia in Gold and Silver? That has to be the stupidest thing they've ever done. Nintendo is screwing up this game too much now.... she better not have a part in the main plot, but rather just some thing AFTER the plot. Kyogre Groudon and Rayquaza are in the worst gen (3rd) and should BELONG there. Not in this awesome game.

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Another scan has come up which shows a possible Arceus event in Heart Gold & Soul Silver which features Arceus & Cynthia in a triangle between three symbols, possibly symbolising Dialga, Palkia & Giratina. It is said on Japanese forums that if you transfer the Movie Arceus over to HGSS, you will be able to go to a place in the game and unlock a Level 1 Dialga, Palkia or Giratina.
It hasn't even been confirmed yet, stop complaining.

Mitchman June 10th, 2009 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed (Post 4736489)
It hasn't even been confirmed yet, stop complaining.

Problem is its most likely otherwise the area would have been found in platinum long ago. Moons ago possibly.

Tyrantrum June 10th, 2009 2:07 PM

I checked Serebii just before this thread! XD

I like Silver's new Sugimori Art. And the Groudon/Kyogre/Raquaza and Dialga/Palkia/Giratina/Arceus event looks awesome! :D
I can't wait until the JP ROM comes out. XD

demonmike June 10th, 2009 2:24 PM

I think those that speculated if theres a second region it may be Hoenn may be right it seems, seeing as it needs to only cover Mewtwo from the first generation in the game, but it needs to cover all the legendaries from Hoenn.

I'm still doubting a second region, despite how much i'd love it.

Asztrik June 10th, 2009 2:38 PM

Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno were already in Platinum so why would they be in this game?

Artemis June 10th, 2009 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by demonmike (Post 4736614)
I think those that speculated if theres a second region it may be Hoenn may be right it seems, seeing as it needs to only cover Mewtwo from the first generation in the game, but it needs to cover all the legendaries from Hoenn.

I'm still doubting a second region, despite how much i'd love it.

More than likely the second region will be Kanto, and not necessarily Hoenn. Kanto for one is right next to Johto and is connected through sea and Mt. Silver. Even though the new Hoenn Legendaries are found in the remakes, if Hoenn had to be added in, they would have been found in their respective locations rather than roaming or found somewher randomly in Johto.

A second region, being Kanto, is more than likely to happen. As it is part of the originals and contains needed items, such as the Silver Wing. Not to mention, without Kanto there wouldn't really be an Elite, unless one of these new locations gives Johto its own independent Elite Four.

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Originally Posted by Asztrik (Post 4736660)
Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno were already in Platinum so why would they be in this game?

This is what some have stated themselves. It was more than likely purposely done by GameFreak to have us obtain the three legendary birds in Platinum so that way the wouldn't need to add it to these remakes. It also gave them more of a purpose to add in Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza over Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres.

!MajesticSmeargle! June 10th, 2009 2:56 PM

I love the way they did the rival, I just completely love the art.
Looks sooo much better than the older versions, can't wait for Soulsilver.

Sweet Smoochum June 10th, 2009 3:25 PM

First, I'd like to say thank you to Todoroki Is for providing these scans. Thank you.

Two, I must say that after looking at these scans, I really want this game now. I think I'll like it way better than the original. I'm really loving the rival's new look. (I just had to draw a pic of him, and I did.) He looks more masculine than his old self if you ask me. (Now I have to find a new name for him, just because DP took him under their wing and made him more sinister. XD) I know some people claim he looks like Mars, but I'd say he looks more like he could be Mars' brother. He's supposed to have Red hair. If anything, I'd say Mars took his hair style. ;) JK. Gold came before Diamond. Just saying. ;) Anyway, his old and new hair style still look similar, the only real difference is length and that patch of hair that's sticking up. (He looks almost like the chronicles anime version of himself.) I like the new outfit. It's basically the same feel of the old look, but touched up a little bit. However, the top somehow reminds me of Groudon and Kyogre. (Mostly Kyogre.) But it makes sense because you can capture those legendaries in these games. I'm glad they showed the battle between you and your rival. I really like his new pose. (I kind of wish the pic was a little bit clearer, but I like the new Gold's back sprite. He's so cute! I might choose him over the new girl! XD) (Hopefully Pokemon Sunday will show the battle.)

Another thing I'd like to mention is Professor Elm's new artwork. I like it a lot better than the original and he seems like he's younger as well. I really like his new lab. I see that the machine that heals your Pokemon has returned. I'm happy about that. Though, I wish I could have seen a clearer picture of it, so I know exactly what his sprite looks like.

As for the Rocket grunt, I miss the old hair style, but this one is nice, too. I like her pink hair. Team Rocket=awesomest evil organization ever (in my eyes.)

Speaking of the Rocket Grunt, the two pictures to the right of her are intriguing to me.
I wish I could see them better to get an idea of where they are located.

Spoiler:
LoL my mom said that Silver looks nice, but "she looks mean." lol I had to tell her that Silver was a guy. xD

Melodyfree June 10th, 2009 3:29 PM

When you have to tell a middle-aged person that they've got an anime character's gender wrong, that means they were drawn correctly.

bian June 10th, 2009 5:28 PM

Yay! luckily Kyogre is in HeartGold, but i still won't pick unless i've seen the exclusives.

*~Fireheart~* June 10th, 2009 5:32 PM

Wait what's in the first spoiler? All I can see is a question-mark-box xD

Taemin June 10th, 2009 5:34 PM

I love how Silver's hair style is like Roark's now.. xD;

That was sarcasm, by the way, but I suppose it could be worse.

I'll like the character regardless. Hurray for finally seeing Silver in a scan. \o/

yaminokame June 10th, 2009 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune Girl (Post 4736079)
Also, in the pic where the Hero is talking to Elm, I can sort of make out the name 'Soul'. Are they playing this on SS, or is that the Hero's new default name?

It's a tradition they have going, every game they show a screenshot of has the person's name as (some part of) the title of the game that is being played. So, yes that's why his name is Soul in that screen shot.


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