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Retro Bug June 13th, 2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyledove (Post 4745479)
What I mean is, they're obviously not gonna remove it. It's part of the world, and Johto people use it to travel (Yes to Kanto so what?) That doesn't mean that you'll be able to use it at all.

Obviously. :| But I sorta think they wouldn't have made it like they did if it was just "for show". I think they would made it look like a crappy old trainhouse.

YES TO KANTO SO WHAT? Your whole point is that Magnet Train doesn't confirm anything, and you're saying Johto people use it to travel to Kanto. You see how you're not making sense. Obviously you'll use it to travel to Kanto.

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Just saying, the inclusion of the magnet train does not confirm anything at all because it would never be removed.
That is your only thing to stick on, " they won't remove it". Obviously they won't remove it because we need it to get to Kanto.

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It doesn't matter really, when more scans come out, will we all know the truth. ^^;

Kyledove June 13th, 2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4745496)
Okay look at this map made by bulbapedia.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/3/39/KantoJohto_TohjoFalls_Map.gif
The flashing dot is Tohjo falls. We see up to roughly there then it gets cut off. That is what will be the Johto side of the map. Then on the other side of the falls when you come out will be the Kanto side. Still kyledove it does not matter. We see it going off into a distant land. What is this land it goes to? Why would it be there? They are setting themselves up for a massive complaint from fans if Kanto will not be in when the train is clearly there.

I'm just saying theres no confirmation or solid proof that Kanto is in it. I'm probably wrong and will admit that if it is the case, but just saying having the magnet train station there does not prove anything. Just cos the people of Johto can use it to go to Kanto, doesn't mean YOU can. There's also the possibility that they will only let you travel far enough into Kanto til the League.

You all do raise some valid points and I appreciate that, but there's still no solid proof. If we did have solid proof, the scans would be covered in big letters "You can travel to kanto!!!" but they aren't. There's no way they'd release proof of it and not say anything at all.
Anyway there's not much point continuing this until we hear more news, so I'll gracefully duck out xD

Apologies for offending anyone, we're all big pokemon fans who can't wait for this game so I don't see why we should have to argue when we're all on the same (pokemon) side, I just dont believe we should jump to conclusions...

Mitchman June 13th, 2009 10:13 AM

If the second means of transportation besides the boat from Olivine doesn't mean solid proof then I have no idea what is solid proof apparently. Anyway I believe when it comes to info for the games we have only got a small whimsical amount of info.

Ryanniny June 13th, 2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyledove (Post 4745494)
All I see is the magnet train station, and some tracks. Do we see it in use? No. I also see mountains and seas, does this mean we can cross them and swim accross to other regions? No.

if you mean mt silver, separating kanto and johto, then yes it does :|
as you need to go across tohjo falls to get to the elite four, IN KANTO.
admitted we don't see the magnet train in use, but what would be the point in having it there in the first place if you can't use it?
it'd just be a waste of game freak/nintendo's time to put it in there
it'd be like having a port in sinnoh that takes you to some island but you can't go there because the boats aren't running?
there'd be no point in including it.

Mitchman June 13th, 2009 10:24 AM

I am going to play devil's advocate for a second now:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/Mystic-Inazuma/scan1translation4.jpg
It says the adventure that awaits you in Johto. While it has no mention of Kanto is says scale of nothing else before. That could possibly mean a second region.

Conman June 13th, 2009 10:27 AM

I see what Kyledove is saying, there is no solid proof...but all this info so far sure give us semi-solid proof. I'd say there is a 90% chance of Kanto being in, and a WTF 9% of it not being in with all these things pointing to it. The last 1% is Hoenn for the people who keep saying "what if".

Artemis June 13th, 2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fantomix (Post 4744476)
These games are looking to be way too awesome, I'm beginning to get suspicious...
It kind of seems like they're trying to make the ultimate Pokemon game, I'm afraid this might be the end of Pokemon for a while D:

No need to think this will be the end of Pokémon. They are just revamping the remake to be just as good as Platinum and een better. They do this for the attraction of the game and to keep old, current and new fans purchasing the product. As long as the game brings in a high enough income to the company, you'll more than likely see another new generation of Pokémon games probbly in the next year or two.

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4745202)
Kanto is in no need to speculate like that. The magnet train is confirmation it will be in anyway and whatever it was always going to be in.

Before, we could have only speculated that Kanto may or may not have been included. Back then it was just too early to assume and say, "whatever it was always going to be in." However, with these new scans we can presume the Kanto will more than likely be in again.

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Originally Posted by Kyledove (Post 4745494)
All I see is the magnet train station, and some tracks. Do we see it in use? No. I also see mountains and seas, does this mean we can cross them and swim accross to other regions? No.

I've been reading what you've been saying and I think you're looking at the scans a little too hard. If you look back at the originals there was the Magnet train and the large mountains that divided Kanto and Johto. Nevertheless it was the Magnet Train that allowe us to travel back and fourth from Johto to Kanto and vise versa.

Seeing as the Magnet Train is brought back in Goldenrod City, this more than likely means we can travel back to Kanto like before. Not to forget, Kanto was the place holder of the Elite, the other 8 Gyms to battle and needed items. One for example was the Silver Wing which was given to us in Pewter City to access Lugia in the games on Whirl Island. Seeing as the tracks head off into the direction of Kanto I would believe they have kept the idea as the originals. So, it wuold be safe to assume that Kanto will be back.

For you, even if you wouldn't want it, many before you have wanted it back. IT would create massive interruption on the remake and cause a decrease in sales as fans would not be completely pleased. Kanto was a good part in the originals and with proof of the Magent Train on the map you can presume Kanto is making a return for the remake.

Also, official sites such as Serebii has even speculated that with this showing Kanto may very well make a return, so I wouldn't deny that it is back either.

fireyboy345 June 13th, 2009 2:10 PM

you guys should just give kyledove a break. He wasnt dissing kanto or anything. He was just bringing up the possibility that it isnt in. He was also saying this on the grounds that it hasnt been annouced yet that kanto will return (even though a probably will) So lets just get off this topic and talk about how funny a wailord will look following you around goldenrod city.

Mitchman June 13th, 2009 2:14 PM

No no we haven't even thought about snorlax yet. My god this will be great.

Ryanniny June 13th, 2009 2:15 PM

when you think about it, theres only gonna be 2 or 3 more issues of Corocoro before Autumn, and therefore the release of HG/SS
so i think the amount of info we'll get in the next month or two is gonna be pretty big, cos there isn't actually THAT long left before their scheduled release dates.
so heres hoping we get more screens of pokemon following us, the confirmation of Kanto, and the in-game sprites for "soul" X__x

Mitchman June 13th, 2009 2:23 PM

Actually September is what I am thinking so that would basically leave us with 2 months of info and 4 months if it comes out in November. So all that time would go to something good not to mention trailers will pop up sooner or later.

Ryanniny June 13th, 2009 2:27 PM

oh yeah, i always forget about trailers for ds games
though, were there trailers for DPPt?
i'd love to see a trailer, or at least them show us the opening sequence (hopefully its the same as the original ones, i looooved that opening, the lapras surfing across the screen at the beginning, memories come flooding back :') )

fireyboy345 June 13th, 2009 2:28 PM

will snorlax follow you or will he just fall asleep and you will have to just leave him. lol. jk. Anywho im excited to see all of the pokemons ow sprites

Mitchman June 13th, 2009 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanniny (Post 4745900)
oh yeah, i always forget about trailers for ds games
though, were there trailers for DPPt?
i'd love to see a trailer, or at least them show us the opening sequence (hopefully its the same as the original ones, i looooved that opening, the lapras surfing across the screen at the beginning, memories come flooding back :') )

Wre actually had 2-3 for platinum so why not for this?
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/platinum/special/wallpaper/pokemon_1280x768.jpg
^ I want something like this for Johto. Also for the trailers they came out around July but that was because news came slowly for platinum. I can see them by next week on Pokemon Sunday or even tonight.

Ryanniny June 13th, 2009 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4745909)
Wre actually had 2-3 for platinum so why not for this?

oh right, cheers, i had no idea there were trailers for platinum
all i ever saw was some crappy advert that said "THERES A CHANGE IN SINNOH, BUY POKEMON PLATINUM TODAY" >__>

Mitchman June 13th, 2009 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanniny (Post 4745914)
oh right, cheers, i had no idea there were trailers for platinum
all i ever saw was some crappy advert that said "THERES A CHANGE IN SINNOH, BUY POKEMON PLATINUM TODAY" >__>

Yeah in Japan they had a much flash bunch of trailers that had some same footage with new footage.

ABZ DEATHNOTE June 13th, 2009 2:37 PM

omg i love the silver box

Ryanniny June 14th, 2009 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4745921)
Yeah in Japan they had a much flash bunch of trailers that had some same footage with new footage.

oh nice one, thanks for the info, now i really want a trailer for these games :3
we should find out the release date soon-ish, if people can pre-order them from the 4th july.
We could get a nice little trailer then.

Dirtyjerry June 14th, 2009 2:10 AM

kyogre and ho-oh in the same version? too good to be true.

Mitchman June 14th, 2009 2:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtyjerry (Post 4747513)
kyogre and ho-oh in the same version? too good to be true.

Where you see that awesome for me its Lugia and Groudon? Together? Sign me up!

Artemis June 14th, 2009 4:43 AM

I was looking at Serebii and they recently updated their site with information on the Arceus event in the game with Cynthia. Right now it is unknown how it will all seem to work out, but they did state something else about Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. It seems as though it will be the players choice on which dragon legendary they will like to have born. With this, I think it is pretty good seeing as we can only get one, as I am sure a lot of people will choose their favorite legendary to capture in the game at level one.

Red Rain June 14th, 2009 5:36 AM

I seriously cannot wait for this. It seems that Nintendo are listening to the demands of their fans for once. I can't wait to catch Ho-oh and Kyogre in Heart Gold and maybe, just maybe, I'll end up getting Soul Silver too. Bring this game on! :D

Anyone know the US release date, or has it not been mentioned?

zirico June 14th, 2009 12:13 PM

the boy rocket grunt reminds me of mark hoppus when he had pink hair.........but less cool and gayer lol. i think the idea of a mewtwo event with geovannie is a cool idea, as he was always hellbent on getting him in the anime and also cos i really wanna catch the buga

Artemis June 14th, 2009 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Rain (Post 4747754)
I seriously cannot wait for this. It seems that Nintendo are listening to the demands of their fans for once. I can't wait to catch Ho-oh and Kyogre in Heart Gold and maybe, just maybe, I'll end up getting Soul Silver too. Bring this game on! :D

Anyone know the US release date, or has it not been mentioned?

Yes, bring this game on. However, the US release date has not been confirmed as yet, and may not be told until either early next year. Though, like Platinum was may get to find out the US release date at the end of this year sometime. It is still early to tell, but some speculate it may be between the time of February to April.

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Originally Posted by zirico (Post 4748128)
the boy rocket grunt reminds me of mark hoppus when he had pink hair.........but less cool and gayer lol. i think the idea of a mewtwo event with geovannie is a cool idea, as he was always hellbent on getting him in the anime and also cos i really wanna catch the buga

The games do not really follow the anime pattern, except for Pokémon Yellow. Of course, I wouldn't disagree, a perfect way to bring Giovanni back is to have him return with an interest in Mewtwo. It would give a plot to Kanto and it will even bring back the chance to catch Mewtwo, unlike in the original GSC. Except, we will have to continue with all the new information to see how things in Kanto turn out. At least these Coro Coro releases gave a strong belief that Kanto will return once more.


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