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Official Johto Map Discussion
Alright guys so the official map has been released and rada rada you know the rest, i took a lil zoom on the map and realized many things, many of you already noticed maybe, but im a nice guy and shall post the changes anyways.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s90/lancekun/Johto_Mapeditrettan.png 1 West of Cianwood, waterfalls, rivers, new areas, could it be a Fight/survival area style? or a Pal Park? 2 Battle Tower, coincidence that a cloud is covering the location where battle tower in pokemon Crystal was located? If you look closely you can distinguish part of a building there! 3 Lake of rage, i know i know you are gonna mention that maze like place where you got a rada rada item from a rada rada dude, but check it out, I find it bigger and has alot of precense of water 4 The one everybody noticed next to national park, by many seen as a GTS center but honestly I see it more like a stadium if you zoom it, maybe a place for pokemon contests? 5 Big building west of goldenrod city, its pointy, prolly due to an antenna making it a GTS center or maybe a trainer tower, who knows o.o 6 of course that is the rail of the magnet train confirming it exists and obviously magnet train = Saffron city which = Kanto 7 Same as above, the magnet train rails continue in direction to Kanto 8 Route 22 is seen clearly, it connects directly with Viridian city - Kanto. Yeah I love you all too |
I'm glad that you pointed out all of the differences on the new map! I didn't even realize that the Lake of Rage was a little different
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Any smell a hint of Platinum on the top left corner?
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No problemo! Im glad to help out! ^^
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Yeah, we got kanto. I noticed the bridge that leads to Tohjo falls and whatnot.
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Yay, now we know that there's going to be Kanto, this should be great, thanks :D |
Wow! All these changes are making me wicked excited for it!
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cool,thanx now maybe its official that kanto is included and it would be awesome to experience where everything started in D/P/P graffics,nice going;)
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This is really neat. I cannot wait until I get the game! <3
New areas..the one near the fighting gym looks to be a Pal Park kind of deal. Maybe a fight area. Both already suggested though. |
I now think that the new area by Cianwood is going to end up being some kind of game..
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It looks like it has different areas, sandy, grassy, forest, watery, etc. This would mean that its obviously some kind of place for pokemon, possibly a pokemon reserve?
Add to this the fact all pokemon have overworlds, this may serve as a kind of zone you visit and see pokemon walking around...possibly something you fill up yourself like oak's reserve?... Well, that's exactly what I'd love for it to be! |
I was sorta jumping into my own conclusions, like maybe PAL park could be the Safari Zone in Fuschia city, the map could be used instead of hacing it closed down like in the GSC games. Thats nothing oficial tho, its only something that came to my mind.
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It's such a sweet idea! |
Why can't it just be released now lol i want to play it
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As of lake of rage, there's a new Blackthorn City, with a river that goes off through the "Skarmory Route" (guess its route 46, it has been 8 years, sorry xD)
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hello there Mt. Silver :DDDD
Can't wait for this |
I messed around with the battle tower area in photoshop a bit, see if I could darken it abit so it would be easier to see.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/Tuskin38/battletowerSGSS.jpg My source of the map was from the opening flash intro from the new site. |
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I just dont see what else it could be, it doesn't even seem to have any buildings in it. All it has is a big mansion in the entrance... heck this could even be Oak's home in Johto! |
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Great observations, I am absolutely phyced to get this came! This has just made my excitement grow more and my patience grow less lol.
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Hmm...Cianwood doesn't seem to be much of an island like I always thought it was. A big river is north of it now... Anyway, I'm pretty sure that area north-west/west of Cianwood is in fact a Safari Zone or something of that nature. Btw Kyledove, your ideas are just pure awesome xD, Nintendo should hire you for your ideas (and not forgetting your graphical skills, but this isn't about the graphical aspect of HGSS so just ignore this bit), their games would increase in popularity by 500% XD
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I guess these games answer a question I always wanted to know which was what was on the other side of Cinnawood Island. More land to travel. haha Still it kind of look like Battle Area. Could Sinnoh be closer to Kanto then we think? haha |
Oh yay this is good, I can't wait! :D It'll be interesting. I remember being awesome at Crystal but that was years ago, and I've been too lazy to play it again. I hope I like this remake. I know I disliked Diamond and Pearl but loved Platinum for some reason(???).
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These remakes will definitely be interesting like you said(in good and yes, there will be some bad features too I bet) But with what's been released so far everything is good in my opinion!
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Wow, I didn't notice some of those changes.
That place west of Cianwood is interesting, I wonder what it'll be. |
Whats west of Lake of Rage? North of Ecruteak City? It looks like a forest... on fire! A forest fire? A burning forest? Sweeet!
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I still think the building in Goldenrod is... the Radio Tower, moved a bit away from the main city.
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There is alot of differences to heart gold and soulsilver but there is similarlirity to them from the old gold and silver
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However, the map definitely looks different when you put in individual perspective on some of the old and new locations. Let’s start with the West moving East. First off, Cianwood, to me, looks larger and more modernized to match today's gaming of the main Pokémon RPG. Not to mention, the island does look a bit more separated like how the Fight Area, Battle Area, etc. was in DPPt. So, it surely adds in question on what could possibly be new at that one Island from before. Moving more North to the large clouds, I do notice it being strange for them to cover up this location, especially knowing it was the original place for the Battle Tower in Crystal. Seeing as every game since then has had some kind of included Battle Tower, I wouldn't rule this one out either. So, possibly, there just may be something new there. Whether it be the Battle Frontier or simply a new Tower, it'll all be great to share no less. I do realize that Lake of Rage [location of Red Gyarados] is larger. So, whatever they may be planning there could be pretty overwhelming for some. Either they made it larger for something new, or they simply expanded it to give more of an extension to Johto. The idea of Kyogre possibly being located here makes me think though, I mean it fits seeing as though they made the lake larger. Number four, the new area west of the National Park; to me, I think Contests, because the way the main building looks, appears to be something closely related to a Contest Hall. However, we shall see. Though, knowing there are ribbons seen from checking the stats of your team, contests should be placed somewhere in the game I would say. As for the new building in Goldenrod, it sure is tall and noticeable. My guess goes to those saying it may be the new GTS. The long thin rod extending from the main center of the roof gives me this though as a signal transmitter used for world-wide connection. We'll have to wait and find out though as a anew building in Pokémon could range from one possible thought to the next. Now, the Magnet Train tracks. It leads east as shown, which is to be known as Kanto. Not to mention, it is the only feature in the game that was relatively used to travel from Goldenrod City to the Kanto region. So, this alone brings in a higher chance for the return of Kanto. Keeping on track with the topic of Kanto and Route 22, it has already been confirmed that Kanto shall make another return. So, speculation on this has been proven and I'm pretty satisfied with that thought. It only gives the game players something more to do. I only hope they re-awaken the second region to something more adventurous than before, but not overshadowing Johto. |
Could the large building in Goldenrod be.....:
- The GTS - An oversized contest hall - A combined GtS and Contest Hall - A Team Rocket headquarters?? |
Has anyone else noticed the two small lakes in the left corner inside the ilex forest?
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Yeah! I wondered what those were there for....
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What do you think is behind Cianwood City?
As the new Johto map shows, there is a whole new area behind Cianwood City. What do you think this area can be? I think and hope its the battle frontier in Johto because i really liked the one in Emerald :P, so what do you think it can be?
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I doubt there would be two radio towers in one city, especially next to each other. Johto will have one and Lavender Town will have one. If thats not the Goldenrod radio tower, it won't be another one. But the question is what could it be? As said above it could be a GTS or even a contest hall. The new features on this map intriques be very much so.
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I agree it does seem to be the most likely place to put a battle frontier if they do include one
EDIT: On a second look I reckon its Pal Park as it has 6 different zones that seem to cover each type, and yeah there is already a thread for this sort of thing |
I think the new area west of Cianwood City is either some sort of Safari area (as Jake explained in previous posts), but I'm convinced it could be a new Pal Park-like location. It has 6 blocks that contain individual environments (kinda like how the Pal Park in D/P was).
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I have to say in my opinion that it can't be a Battle Frontier because there aren't many large buildings and it just looks like a town with a mansion at one end.
And there is already discussion of this on another thread |
I dont think its a town because on this island, the town is Cianwood, so it isn't most probably a new town, unless its a continuation of Cianwood, so it may be a PalPark like rich boy bob said, if youre talking about the official johto map thread, i posted mine thinkin that the thread wasnt discussing this, anyway, the discussion on the other thread is general since its about all the changes in johto, but i guess this discussion will also be nice by iself, thanks for pointing it out :)
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Can anyone spot out the place of the ice cave? The place where I thought it was is just a small bit of cave :(
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Ooh, I'm getting more excited every day!
The new area west of Cianwood looks amazing. Perhaps it's a Safari Park-esque area with some rare/new gen pokemon? I'm 95% sure that the new building near Goldenrod is the GTS, although it could also be a contest hall. I don't know what the lakes in Ilex Forest are for, but I'm sure they've extended the Lake of Rage so they can put Kyogre there. |
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People keep saying Kyogre could be in the lake of rage...Why would he be there? It's a freshwater lake, whilst Kyogre is a sal****er orca...The last place I'd expect to find a giant legendary whale is in a lake...
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I agree with samme426 it doesnt seem to look like much of a battle frontier cuz the builings r to small.... maybe it is a town but the manshion thing samme said may be the jhoto pal park because there are a bunch of different looking areas put together lyk in sinnoh pal park (beause say if you but a water pokemon in the pal park you could only find it in the watery parts of the park and if you had a grass type in a grassy area) plus what you said about cinnwood being the only thing on the island, its a very big island and there preety far apart.[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/user/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]
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To me it is a suitable location. If you also look back at the Hoenn games, when encountering Kyogre's OW sprite it was found in a mid-sized water area as well, so the lake wouldn't be a bad place at all. It is also known for the location of Gyarados, so it is a place where players won't forget, especially if it is the key holder of Kyogre. Though, we'll have to wait and see how things turn out with these new locations and Pokémon appearances. |
ya i do agree with you Todoroki is, it may be something like a`survival or battle area like in DPPt, it does seem to look similar to the survival area concerning top view, and it seems pretty large. I started moving away from thinkin its a battle frontier, because if there is 1, it most probably is in the spot of the battle tower that appeared in crystal (although a building seems to be in that spot behind the fog so i m not sure if they just returned the battle tower, not the frontier)
Edit: and powerruletheearth, if you want the image to appear just write img (in lower case)instead of IMG because it didnt appear in your post so everybody can see it. |
I had an idea.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/446340/49457 Go to section 02'33(cntrl+f for a fast search) it shows the text about how there was an old tower where the Radio tower is. Possibly they changed this and they made this tower anew and spruced it up and built the radio tower next to it this time? It would be nice and all thinking about how it would be cool to see a proper goldenrod landmark. |
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That tall building in Goldenrod city isn't a GTS station, it's a reworked radio tower. But, it does look slightly taller, so the chances are that it may have ahd an extra few 'GTS' floors added in. Or maybe they're in the underground.
It could be a new amity square? Or perhaps, it's a reworked mansion thingy, with a new trohpy garden, just like in D/P/Pt? |
It looks to me as just another Pal-park, besides if it was a Battle Frontier, why would the clouds be covering up the Crystal Battle Tower area??
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i dont really think its a mansion with a trophy garden since i dont think the garden part will be that large and devided in that way although there does seem to be a mansion, but i think a pal park is more reasonable i think although i still think it looks close to a survival or battle area kind of thing with the mansion being the main element like stark mountain was specially that there are lots of routes with bridges and waterfalls just like the wild paths in leading to the survival and battle areas
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All these wonderful updates and new stuff to see my guess is this will beat d/p/p games but a landslide.
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I want it out now! The map looks so cool! I loved S/G!
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What is all the hype about Battle Frontier? Its so damn boring, everyone is the same level, what's the point? There's no skill, and everyone you face has such boring pokemon, and in Platinum it takes so LONG just to get like 2BP, you really need no life to get some of the items that require 30BP and such.
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A battle area, as said in the first post, would be interesting. But it seems unlikely at the moment.
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This might sound boring... but what if they just lengthened the playtime of that town? I mean in the original we just went there to get the badges... maybe they'll have a sidequest for you while gym leader comes back or something... and go fight more trainers and catch more pokemon and finish the sidequest in that small house at the top
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Now thts just the purpose of this thread ,yeah why not could be a side quest but it looks like an averagely large area for 1 side quest and definitely looks similar to aspects from previous games, but who knows, although I really doubt it.
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Looks to me either like a Pal Park or a new Safari Zone.
It IS divided into six areas, isn't it? |
Its easy to put Kyogre somewhere, either Seafoam Islands (Kanto), I do not mention Whirl Islands because that is Lugia´s place.
As for Groudon, a believe a good location for him would be Rock Tunnel (Kanto), dry place, full of rocks, perfecr for him x) The two lakes are nothing really, they are just the 2 lakes inside the forest that even exist in the original titles ^^ |
ya it seems to be, safari zone is a new idea u gave there, didnt think of that at all :P, but if its devided then its closer to the Palpark as the safari zone isnt usually devided (at least not in that way), but if this turns out to be a safari zone, then maybe it will open section by section, since maybe some parts contain pokemon u can see after obtaining the national dex, much like it worked in emerald, were a new part in the safari zone opened with pokemon from previous generations in it
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Johto has its own sea, I'm sure it's big enough to share with Lugia. (It would be sharing with red gyarados also a nearly legendary pokemon anyway) EDIT: This makes me wonder if we will be able to dive again, I'd love that (as long as they don't make it so useless) |
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I hope that it will include Kanto!
This game will rule!!!!!!!! |
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Also, Johto never had as much water areas before, and now it does. For example, the new canals in Cianwood Island and the expansion of the Lake of Rage. Saying that Kyogre might be found here isn't hard to believe, however we'll see where it really is located after time, and the same with Groudon as well. There are new areas, new caves, and new water areas so a lot of things can be altered during travel. Not to mention, some of these new areas added in will be a definite help in obtaining some of the newest TMs and items too. So, either it be a new area with a new feature from the originals, it may come in handy nonetheless. There is a lot of hidden potential through the map and the game though, so I would expect next month's release to reveal the Kanto map and maybe some more information on the new tower in Goldenrod and the new area next to the National Park. |
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Oh yeah, I forgot!^^ It's beens o long since I've played on Silver. Do you think they'll do all that buisness with the powerplant? I hope not. I spent tedious, long hours trying to get my head round it.
There's one obvious bit that people seem to be missing. If you look closely at the sprout tower in Violet city, you can see that it is now accessed by a path along a lake or pond or something. |
Merged the topic speculating the new area near Cianwood with the Johto discussion thread - after all, it belongs there.
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Shouldn't the Safari Zone be in Kanto if anything? They already have the bug catching contest in Johto
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Maybe Battle facilities will be spread out throughout Kanto and Johto, that could explain the new buildings next to the radio tower and the national park. It could mean that the battle tower has kept its place from crystal, as it does appear to have done from the zoomed in image somewhere in the PC. The new area west of Cianwood could be a new facility where battles take place on different terrain (highly unlikely and probably going to be a safari zone or pal park) the other facilities could be spread out in Kanto, maybe 2 or 3 of them? This is just an idea but it would be interesting as each facility would have its own personality.
In my opinion it would be a shame for "The great Sea Basin Pokemon" to not have to be dived for as that is the thing that i remember it for and what makes it unique. I think either HM or TM Dive should be reintroduced in order to catch it or the quest should involve some sort of submarine. (a bit extravagant, i know) |
the tower in goldenrod is most likely a gts while the building near national park a contest place.
west of ciniwood could be a safari, i don't really think a pal park is completely needed but it could be one. |
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OMG! The full version of the map. I think I'm the only person not to have seen it.
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I had never thought of the contests being that little platform next to the National Park. But from the way its decorated, that makes sense. All i hope is that Kanto is not a resized mess of the Fr/Lg Kanto.*to GTS doubters* If you take a close look at the building to the west of Goldenrod and the one in Platinum, it looks exactly the same. Most maps in the game relocate buildings but in the same space provided in the original games: for example some of Olivine City's houses appear to have been relocated (the two that sat together north of the Glitter Lighthouse), but there is no new stretch of land where they sit. Plus, Saffron City would be too late in the game to get to a GTS, and because Goldenrod is pretty much the most modern you'll get in Johto, it would make sense to place it there. Is that thing near what appears to be the Goldenrod Department store a blimp? It sure looks like one. And oddly, the image of Glitter Lighthouse in the background of the Soul Silver box art is taller and paler than the lighthouse featured in the Johto region image. Was the background image from another Johto concept art? The two that did feature a lighthouse like that on the box art were not nearly as neat or showed proper perspective. That confused me.
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(2.) Below the clouds, you can clearly see a gatehouse leading up towards the void. This was present in Crystal (and led to the Battle Tower), but not in G/S.
Nice to see, after the female player incident, that they're not completely ignoring Crystal. (1.) Curious how we have these six perfectly rectangular regions, each seemingly representing an element. Could the Leafeon/Glaceon stones be located here? Looking so artificial, it could also be a candidate for a Battle Frontier. (6, 7, 8.) Glad to see Kanto's presence has been established beyond reasonable doubt. And you failed to note that suspicious, orange place north of Ecruteak. |
Also, if I may point out...
What is that at the base of Mount Silver? Is that the Indigo Plataeu? |
I believe the part with clouds over it on Mt. Silver is the Shinto Temple.
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Haha thanks Haza, it's been so long since I last played Silver.
The new map really looks awesome. If they can squeeze all this (apparently) new stuff into the Johto region and have the Kanto region (albeit not as empty) as well..I'm pretty sure this game will be well worth the wait. Just for the sake of it.. I'll put my two cents on Kyogre and Groudon being in Kanto. I wonder if they'll reimplement Dive spots? |
Im just speculating but it is highly possible that that is what it is. And you would not have remembered because the Shinto is not in the originals.
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Haha indeed I didn't remember.
All I remember outside of Mount Silver were some grassy patches and a Pokemon Center. |
#1 is very interesting on that map. Looks like soiome sort of resort area or something. At the top there are spots that look dedicated for certain different types of Pokemon.
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Johto Map
For some reason- my laptop is really slow and I can't upload the picture I'm working from, but if you want it for reference to what I'm about to say, go ahead and email me at [email protected].
BLUE DOTS represent cities & towns. You should be able to recognise them. PINK DOTS represent landmarks. Again, I shouldn't have to point them out. RED CIRCLES represent what I think. Here I'll explain (starting from the new area by Cianwood moving east): 1) At the bottom of the new area, there seems to be a new network of caves. 2) This mansion everybody is on about. To be honest, I think its either a gateway into no. 3 area, or a house for the player like the one in the Resort Area in Platinum. 3) Six areas. This is definately a Pal Park. Look at the Six Areas and think: Field, Mountain, Forest, Sea, Pond. (YES I KNOW THERE ARE ONLY 5) 4) Clouds by Olivine. Hmmm... Funny Clouds can mean only one thing- A BATTLE FRONTIER!! 5) Big Yellow Patch. This is one of three things. a) Johto has a bad case of Forest Fires. b) Theres a really big desert above Johto thats gone unnoticed. c) Its the natural colour of the grass. Look at the picture of Ecruteak City on the official website, and glance towards Tin Tower, you'll know what I mean. 6) The bit by the National Park. I think this will be a Contest Hall, because there are loads of Ribbons now- and Johto Contests were mentioned in the anime. 7) The big tower. Now, I know some think its a revamped Radio Tower, but no. I can see the REAL radio tower next to it. This will most likely be a GTS, because of the PokeCom Center in the Japanese Crystal- they functioned about the same. 8) Mt Mortar. I know this already existed but there were only three entrances before. If you look really closely, while zoomed, there is a fourth entrance just above the middle one. 9) The river-delta thing by the Lake of Rage- they've either put in a new cave to help with Pokemon distribution or its related to the Team Rocket quest. 10) The two pools in Ilex Forest. Most likely just added for visual effect. And that would be it. I like how all the new things are on the western side of the map. Also, do you think they will release a newer map of Kanto any time soon, since we know its in the games now? |
Actually to let everybody know the orange blur above Ecruteak City is TREES! NORMAL TREES! I think they are called Enju Trees and are known for their orangey color.
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There's a lot of people saying that the area left of Cianwood is a Pal Park because of the four areas, but that couldn't be a Pal Park because those area are way too big to be an area of the Pal Park. Maybe that area is something we have never seen before.
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Honestly the idea of it being a Pal Park west of Cianwood for me just doesn't seem to click. I mean yes it would make sense to do so, but the new DSi not including the GBA slot makes there a chance for it not to return to another 4th generation game. The four divided areas however make it noticeable and makes the possibility differ. My thought would probably go to a new park, such as the Safari Zone. The reason why is because the Bug Catching Park was more bug related types and didn't give more a variety in Pokémon other than this basic set. Not to forget, the Safari Zone for Kanto was closed before in the originals, so recreating one in Johto would seem beneficial. It would also bring in more of a variety unlike the park and enlarge the city's place of use. I wouldn't mind seeing a Safari Zone placed here, but I'd like to look into it more as information becomes further released by next month or so. There are different ideas for this location though, and I'm sure at least one of them might have a higher possibility of being true than the next.
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@ Hiroshi Sotomura: The whole cramped metropolis thing made the city seem much more bigger, seeing as it occupied the same amount of space as Ecruteak, Violet, Olivine and Blackthorn Cities. Plus, not all of the city was narrow. The main road running north-south was a wide boulevard, as was the street running just south of the train tracks. But if it's for the better, I suppose you're right.
And remarking on the golden/orange forest: i think it was a decorative attribute to the Tin Tower and the presence of HeartGold and Gold's legendary Pokemon. I'm sure the whirl islands will get some special attribute, but because the caves are subterranean (or even oceanic for that matter), it is unlikely we'll see what has changed until the game's Japanese release or just get it ourselves. I don't know if the area near Cianwood is a Safari Zone or a Pal Park, but because these two games will offer pretty much the first 251 Pokemon and then some, the only reason why they would include it is for the RSE games. Because i believe that Kanto won't deviate much from the original storyline that took place in GSC, it's probably a Safari Zone. If it's post-Elite Four, it could possibly offer RSE Pokemon. |
I reckon the tall building in Goldenrod is the Radio Tower.
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I wonder what those new places are.
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Although, It would be nice if they did add some sort of event there. Walking through that forest of orangey Enju Trees(thanks to samme426 for the name), would probably be really eye pleasing. |
the map looks INSANE thanks for the map
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Battle tower confirmed. Sorta. Kinda. Okay its a damn outline that's all!
=D Sorry for the title and how I had a monologue rant there. *cough*
http://www.filb.de/kaihou/content/20090615_hgss_johto-karte.jpg If you zoom in a lot(max if you will) where the clouds are next to Olivine over the old tower area you can clearly see an outline of a tower. Now look here: http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy36/MyNameIsGoddess/tower.png Its even more clear! So do you think they will fit only the tower or 5 full facilties? I believe that either 3 spaced out facilties will be in or 5 of them cramped together. I wouldn't mind the cramped part as well less time to get around and I would love 5 facilties. |
I'd take anything, honestly. If there's anything more than the tower, awesome, if not, I'll live.
As a BT maniac, I love the sight of that image. <3 [ I don't think the first link works properly, btw. o.o I just see the site logo ] |
Yeah sorry I realised that a while a go just go to filb and search for the map. Funny it works for the linker but not the viewers.
http://www.filb.de/1083 Anyway yeah anything will do but I can see it happening. A frontier that is. And hey this is clicking in with crystal features being added.*pokes Suicunes ledge in Cianwood*. But that's not the topic! If a frontier is added what would the facilties be and such? |
The Pokemon Factory is just about guaranteed if there will be a Frontier, and there just has to be a Battle Tower. However, I'm not gonna get my hopes up too much.
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