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billi1000 June 18th, 2009 4:22 AM

Shinto Ruins Discussion
 
It seems a new area is unlocked when you have Arceus on top of your team and go to the Ruins of Alph, so what do you think this area contains other than the area to get one of the three dragons? And were do you think it lies on the map (thanks for Todoroki Is for pointing this out), and maybe some pokemon are catchable in this area which were not catchable in johto before o.0, so what do you think can be out there?



Some Facts:

Why the name of the Shinto Ruins has not been derived from Shintoism (Thanks to Hiroshi Sotomura):

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4762313)
Shintoism is written in Japanese as 神道 (しんとう, or "Shintou"). If the name truly IS derived from Shintoism, the name would not be written in Katakana (see "Usage" in this Wikipedia article) and would be written as しんとういせき. It's not. Also note that シントいせき (Shinto Iseki) lacks an う or ウ (u) character.


WindBlows June 18th, 2009 4:24 AM

Eevee-to-Glaceon anyone? XD

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 4:28 AM

Ya Why not might feature a moss or ice rock or a place like mount coronet were u can evolve nosepass and magneton. Damn September seems like a year away I m so inpatient xD

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 4:33 AM

It is not in the ruins at all. Arceus is taken to the ruins to unlock this area. It is best assumed to be at the mount silver peak and for me its most likely with all that snow and how its a bit chopped off in the map.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 4:54 AM

Thanks for pointing that out Todoroki Is, i thaught it was in the ruins since you take arceus there to unlock it and its got unowns as well, it doesnt eally make a big difference, i will edit the first post adding the question, where do you think it might be? , i ll meansion that you pointed that out, thanks alot :)

SDODC13 June 18th, 2009 5:00 AM

Sadly I'll only be able to do that if I find some way to hack T_T I've never been able to do any of those nintendo events T_T

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 5:11 AM

i as just thinking that it might be somewhere of the johto or kanto areas, maybe you access it by boat or somethin, because the only place in kanto and johto with snow is mount silver and that already has a nough going on in it (battling red, the strong pokemon) so maybei its on a new island?

.inLOVE June 18th, 2009 5:12 AM

Arceus being in your party to unlock this area, we can bet that there will be some legend or story behind this secret. However, I don't think I could even begin to guess what it is.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 5:24 AM

There is for sure some story in history or somethin of that sort and it seems to be told either by the guy at the Ruin of Alph or by Cynthia before you chose with dragon you want, but the story is unkown at the moment, but i m sure it will be similar to the 12th movie story otherwise the event has no point of being through an event only pokemon movie 12 arceus.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 6:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4758898)
From what I've listened to (and tried to understand), either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina will be created at this area. At Level 1. So apparently Arceus is going to create a life when you bring it to the ruins.

After all, if Arceus creates life, it can create superawesome deities like Dialga and Palkia, right? Right?

*headdesk*

Your Sarcasm rocks. Anyway I was thinking what about an origin form or a beginning form due to the whole birth thing but nah sillouetes would have been shown instead or such.

gummybarz June 18th, 2009 6:00 AM

It's going to be kinda hard rasing a level 1 legend though...

I wonder if you pick giratinia, would he be in land forme or orgin form.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 6:04 AM

Dmartin if you did not know if you brought the movie 11 regigigas into platinum got the 3 regis and then got the platinum regigigas it would appear level 1 so its not that hard and its something they wanna do. A lot.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 6:04 AM

Ya the idea of training a level 1 legend does seem hard :P, and giratina will most probably come in other form, and you need to trade the platinum orb from pokemon platinum, or there might be a way to obtain it in the game, along with the other two orbs that go with dialga and giratina?

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 6:50 AM

i think i got my regis over to platinum and i think i got a level 70 or 50 regigigas, or was it diamond? the important thing is this concept of level 1 legendaries is defenitely a new idea specially that it is included in an event, and i agree with u Hiroshi it seems we ll be seein alot more of these level 1 legendaries ...

>Feelings< June 18th, 2009 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4758734)
so what do you think this area contains other than the area to get one of the three dragons?

I think this area will have multiple other ruins other than just the room where the Arceus event takes place.


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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4758734)
And were do you think it lies on the map

I think it lies very close to the Ruins of Alph.


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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4758734)
and maybe some pokemon are catchable in this area which were not catchable in johto before o.0, so what do you think can be out there?

I don't think so...
It might only have Unowns in the other ruins in the new area.
There may be a few ice type pokemon here too, but it's more likely that this place will be small and empty.


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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4758746)
Ya Why not might feature a moss or ice rock or a place like mount coronet were u can evolve nosepass and magneton. Damn September seems like a year away I m so inpatient xD

It is highly unlikely for the Moss Rock to be here.
Even the Ice Rock isn't likely to be here, since there is a possibility that this place will be empty and small.
I'm not sure about the Mt.Coronet-like magnetic field being here.


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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4758757)
It is not in the ruins at all. Arceus is taken to the ruins to unlock this area. It is best assumed to be at the mount silver peak and for me its most likely with all that snow and how its a bit chopped off in the map.

Well, you can't be sure that it isn't somewhere close to the ruins.
The ruins, if you see carefully on the map, is on a higher altitude.
Then maybe, a little far from the ruins, there is a place with a very high altitude, that is a small mountain...

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Originally Posted by Dmartin (Post 4758919)
I wonder if you pick giratinia, would he be in land forme or orgin form.

Good question.
I'm guessing it will actually be in its Origin Forme, which it logically is supposed to be in at the beginning, and that it will hold the Griseous Orb from the beginning.

This gets me to think that they might introduce new Origin Formes for Dialga and Palkia too, maybe!


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Mitchman June 18th, 2009 7:20 AM

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Originally Posted by >Feelings< (Post 4759075)
I think this area will have multiple other ruins other than just the room where the Arceus event takes place.

Doubt it. I see this as just one ruin and thats it. Unless of course nah leave that thought Todoroki for later.
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I think it lies very close to the Ruins of Alph.
Find me snow near the ruins.
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I don't think so...
It might only have Unowns in the other ruins in the new area.
There may be a few ice type pokemon here too, but it's more likely that this place will be small and empty.
I believe its near a small expedition discovery camp on the summit of mount silver. Lead by the myth crazy Cynthia.
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It is highly unlikely for the Moss Rock to be here.
Even the Ice Rock isn't likely to be here, since there is a possibility that this place will be empty and small.
I'm not sure about the Mt.Coronet-like magnetic field being here.
Well if mount silver then why not for a magnetic field?
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Well, you can't be sure that it isn't somewhere close to the ruins.
The ruins, if you see carefully on the map, is on a higher altitude.
Then maybe, a little far from the ruins, there is a place with a very high altitude, that is a small mountain...
Only mountain that has snow is Mount silver very far away from the ruins.
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Good question.
I'm guessing it will actually be in its Origin Forme, which it logically is supposed to be in at the beginning, and that it will hold the Griseous Orb from the beginning.
That would be nice I have to admit.
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This gets me to think that they might introduce new Origin Formes for Dialga and Palkia too, maybe!
You sure you didn't read my other posts?


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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4759025)
I'm pretty sure that bringing in a regular Regirock/Registeel/Regice will still trigger the Lv. 1 Regigigas.

Platinum's me-first of introducing Level 1 Legendary Pokémon may turn out to be a concept we'll see more regularly, methinks. Funny we should see life be created this way.

No its not funny. Rape is never funny. What do I mean? Its all clear now. Arceus waits for your Pokemon to like each other. He then morphs into the male impregnates the female and sprinkles Unown Magical powder for an overnight effect then leaves. He is a sneaky one that Arceus.

>Feelings< June 18th, 2009 7:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4759103)
When you get a chance, examine the snowy areas around Johto in the map released on the official website. You'll likely see only one possible location (so far).

Well, I did see them, and before any of you saw them.
Maybe you skipped this line I posted earlier:

The ruins, if you see carefully on the map, is on a higher altitude.
Then maybe, a little far from the ruins, there is a place with a very high altitude, that is a small mountain...

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 7:29 AM

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Originally Posted by >Feelings< (Post 4759125)
Well, I did see them, and before any of you saw them.
Maybe you skipped this line I posted earlier:

The ruins, if you see carefully on the map, is on a higher altitude.
Then maybe, a little far from the ruins, there is a place with a very high altitude, that is a small mountain...

http://pokebeach.com/news/0609/heartgold-soulsilver-johto-map.jpg
The ruins are somewhere in the middle. In no way does it seem like there will be snow anywhere. Especially Mount Motar. No way will snow be there.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 7:30 AM

By hasn't anyone considered the fact that the Shinto ruins might be located somewhere outside the johto and kanto regions, maybe the guy from the ruins of alph gives u a ticket of some sort to go by ship to this area , but if it were in johto, it must be in mount silver since it's the only area were there is snow. If there is a patch with snow in kanto due to some changes in the kanto map then it will be another thing entirely...

Finnel June 18th, 2009 7:30 AM

I honestly don't care about this new area. So far, all they've told us is that you need an Arceus for it, and it'll give you a level 1 dragon. It's not like I'll be able to unlock it anyway.

If this turns out to just be a small, unimportant part of a new area that you can explore normally, great! Otherwise it's just annoying.

I loathe in-game things that require specific event Pokémon to unlock.

>Feelings< June 18th, 2009 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759121)
Doubt it. I see this as just one ruin and thats it.

I actually meant other rooms, similarly to how there were four rooms in the Ruins of Alph.


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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759121)
Find me snow near the ruins.

Nothing is impossible for a remake, you know...
Besides, didn't you read what I said about the small new mountain?


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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759121)
Well if mount silver then why not for a magnetic field?

Because I believe that it isn't going to happen at Mount Silver, since that's too far away.


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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759121)
Only mountain that has snow is Mount silver very far away from the ruins.

Are you sure? Just because it is a mountain doesn't mean it'll have snow. It never had in the past.

Besides, like I said, there are supposed to be many new areas.


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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759121)
You sure you didn't read my other posts?

I just wanted to tell that as an individual.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 7:39 AM

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/0c/JohtoII.png
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/thumb/6/64/JohtoMap.png/800px-JohtoMap.png
Mount Silver always had snow. We just never saw. I think finally we will. It makes the most sense now then anywhere near the ruins.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 7:39 AM

Really there's nothing that states this area should be close to the ruins , besides the new johto map doesn't show the existance any mountain or even the smallest spot of snow next to the ruins and trust me snow isn't suddenly gonna appear in the middle of johto betwen towns that aren't in a snowy area.

Åzurε June 18th, 2009 7:51 AM

Uh, yeah it does. xD Mt. Silver has indeed had snow for evar.

Who wants to know the translated name for the area? Surely they won't leave it as Shinto Ruins...

blueblur155 June 18th, 2009 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4759180)
Really there's nothing that states this area should be close to the ruins , besides the new johto map doesn't show the wxistance any mountain or even the smallest spot of snow and trust me snow isn't suddenly gonna appear in the middle of johto betwen towns that aren't in a snowy area.

you make a very good point with that. I mean besides mt. silver, the only other place with even a chance of having snow would be the Ice Cave between mahogany town and blackthorn city. And if for some reason the temple happened to be there, it would probably be like how the Regigigas event worked in Platinum (u could enter the area, but u couldn't activate the event). I know this theory has some holes, but, hey, it's a possibility.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 7:57 AM

Currently its known as shinto ruins, i you know the translated US name, please do meansion it, and Hiroshi, i think a drastic change has been done to the johto map specially in that location , and anyway it is still not fully clear, i remembered an area with snow in johto which is the icy path, and in kanto which is the cave where articuno is found (cant remember the name), maybe they can also be possible locations?

>Feelings< June 18th, 2009 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759178)
Mount Silver always had snow. We just never saw. I think finally we will. It makes the most sense now then anywhere near the ruins.

Well, it had snow on its artwork, but not in games.
But yeah, now it will have the well-deserved snow.

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759149)
The ruins are somewhere in the middle. In no way does it seem like there will be snow anywhere. Especially Mount Motar. No way will snow be there.

You're right. I forgot that the new map has already been published.
Therefore, the chance of it being near the ruins has all gone down, too bad...

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Originally Posted by Makku (Post 4759154)
If this turns out to just be a small, unimportant part of a new area that you can explore normally, great! Otherwise it's just annoying.

I loathe in-game things that require specific event Pokémon to unlock.

That's why hacking and cheat codes are there.
Even if the place was only accessible with this Arceus event, cheating would get you there anyways.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4759217)
I've brought this up in another thread, but at the foot of this snowy mountain, the Indigo Plateau seems to line up while the Mt. Silver foothill doesn't. Some rearrangement has been done, seriously.

I think they have done this for the sole purpose of giving mount silver an important role through Arceus not Red and you find red in a cave somewhere in the bumpy area next to Mnt. Silver.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 8:02 AM

Hey why are you considering this to be a fully locked area, like blueblur155 meansioned, it might be one of those areas with events u can enter without the event being activated, like Regigigas temple, were u would only see a still figure of regigigas, so i high think this area will be accessable, but this room will be locked if you dont have arceus.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 8:09 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4759249)
Hey why are you considering this to be a fully locked area, like blueblur155 meansioned, it might be one of those areas with events u can enter without the event being activated, like Regigigas temple, were u would only see a still figure of regigigas, so i high think this area will be accessable, but this room will be locked if you dont have arceus.

No I want that to happen. An excavation site of sorts where if you bring Arceus the missing link the area is unlocked. I presume this happens when the scientist at the ruins sees Arceus and gives em a call.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 8:17 AM

ya why not but i dont think a bunch of scientists will be sitting on top of mount silver just waiting for some1 to arrive with arceus, i think u will need to make it follow u, then when u et in front of the door, it will get close and the door will open or something on those lines :P, anyway, i started seeing that mount coronet and silver are very similar, they both have snow, they both contain important parts of the game, so most likely more similarities will be revealed soon. I guess the magnetic field in coronet is also going to be present in mt silver and it will have multiple levels like mount coronet did, ya now that ll be awsome xD

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 8:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4759290)
Mitchman Is, though some people have frequently stated that the area we've explored in GSC it may be at the "foot of", etc., it means that WE have never been on or around Mt. Silver at ALL.

Wait what? I really didn't get this sentence.

Artemis June 18th, 2009 8:41 AM

Basically it is shown that you bring Arceus to the Ruins, to activate the event. The sighting of snow matching the snowed in area of Mt. Silver on the map kind of relates to the two. I personally believe that Mt. Silver itself will become more expanded after the event is activated within the game. It wouldn't be a hard task to complete and it would also give Johto the needed expansion afterwards. At the foot of Mt. Silver, it does give off the different match-ups from the originals. So, it would probably be best to assume that some rerouting and relocation has been accomplished within the game. This could also mean that Kanto itself [if included] would be altered in routes as well and probably be another expanded area from what it was like in the originals. Honestly though, it is another event for the game, exciting for the most, and it'll definitely give players a chance to train their favorite Sinnoh Dragon legendary.

The location to activate it, as stated seems very likely to be at the top of Mt. Silver, which makes sense as it connects to the idea that Arceus was first situated at the top of Mt. Coronet. Over all, pretty nicely done, and Arceus's large sprite fitting neatly in one tile assures me that the other 493 Pokémon's OW sprite will be perfectly fine within the game.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 8:50 AM

Kanto is going to be included from what i see, or the magnet train will be useless and the path to the right of the map will lead nowhere. I am sure many new features are also going to be included in kanto, and yes i definitely agree that mount coronet and silver are of atmost similarity, they event look similar externally if you look at the sinnoh map, so there has to be some more common features like the magnetic field ...

Eggie Poo Poo June 18th, 2009 9:09 AM

Personally I always hated when Nintendo made places unaccessible unless you had a special event Pokemon/item. It makes it unfair to the large population of people who don't have these events. This looks like such a cool place, and its going to bother me that I can't get to it cause no way I'll ever have the movie Arceus.

On a side note, I don't think this is such a great move they did. Cynthia should stay in the game she belongs to, same with Giratina, Palkia and Dialga.

Mew~ June 18th, 2009 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4758757)
It is not in the ruins at all. Arceus is taken to the ruins to unlock this area. It is best assumed to be at the mount silver peak and for me its most likely with all that snow and how its a bit chopped off in the map.

wrong, this is the shinto ruins

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 9:18 AM

When it seems nintendo has been doin these events since platinum and they concern obtaining legendaries without having to obtain them from the original game, this was done with moltress, zapdos, articuno, and the regi trio in platinum , and now it has been done with groudon, kyogre, ryquaza, jirachi, and the three dragon deities of sinnoh, seems for some reason nintendo is moving away from depending on other games to obtain the legendaries, it might be that the new dsi isnt compatible with any previous device i guess since they're doing this, that would be just evil :P

Edit: powerruletheearth, Todoroki Is means they arent located within the Ruin of Alph and not that they arent the ruins themselves, its clear if you read the posts before it.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by powerruletheearth (Post 4759554)
wrong, this is the shinto ruins

You need arceus brought to the ruins of alph to unlock the Sinto Ruins part.

AJ™ June 18th, 2009 9:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759580)
You need arceus brought to the ruins of alph to unlock the Sinto Ruins part.

Exactly. Last time I checked a gigantic, snowy mountain isn't inside the Ruins of Alph.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 9:54 AM

till now the only possibility is mount Silver because:
1. It is the only area with snow on the map and it is clear through screenshot that the Shinto Ruins have snow.
2. The importance of mount Silver and its similarity to mount Coronet definitely makes it suitable for placing this event at the top of mount silver like the arceus u can catch in DPPt was on top of mnt Coronet.

Ayselipera June 18th, 2009 1:35 PM

Maybe you unlock a new pokemon, kinda like Deoxys in Firered/Leafgreen.

"Shadow Lugia" June 18th, 2009 1:43 PM

I think it's Mt. Silver. There's no other area covered in snow on the map. In addition, D/P/Pt's Arceus event was on top of Mt. Coronet, so it would make sense for this event to take place on top of Mt. Silver. If it is, then I really hope Red appears, if even for just a second. I can see it now:

-Egg hatches, Unown disappear
-Screen zooms down to the entrance of the ruins
-Red's there
-Red says "..." and then leaves

Haza June 18th, 2009 1:48 PM

On the map there is a cloud over a tiny bit over the mountain and Im assuning this is the location for it.

balkj06 June 18th, 2009 1:56 PM

shinto ruins
that name is alot like Johto and Shinoh

Artemis June 18th, 2009 1:57 PM

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Originally Posted by "Shadow Lugia" (Post 4760514)
I think it's Mt. Silver. There's no other area covered in snow on the map. In addition, D/P/Pt's Arceus event was on top of Mt. Coronet, so it would make sense for this event to take place on top of Mt. Silver. If it is, then I really hope Red appears, if even for just a second. I can see it now:

-Egg hatches, Unown disappear
-Screen zooms down to the entrance of the ruins
-Red's there
-Red says "..." and then leaves

/This.

Mt. Silver is the basic mountain that is seen with a visible ice cap. Not to mention, the image was shown with layers of snow around the area of the Shinto Ruins. So, this location only seems logical after activating the event from the Ruins of Alph. Like stated here as well and I've said before too, placing Arceu's event for the birth of one of the dragon's relates to the original idea of how Arceus would be found at the highest point on Mt. Coronet in Sinnoh.

However, if it is placed in Mt. Coronet, and we do happen to see Red, then I wouldn't assume he might appear, say "..." and then leave. I would honestly like to have at least one battle with him. Though, if this were to happen, then I can see it he doing that, and at a certain time in the game he appears once more. This is when he challenges us, and finally speaks [This is just an idea and speculation on what was said].

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 11:08 PM

u make a very strong point there Hiroshi, it looks like we re gonna see much more of mount silver this time, especially that we saw very little of it before, and it seems were going to be able to explore it from top to bottom

derozio June 18th, 2009 11:39 PM

I really think that this event will take place at Mt.Silver after I read the (rather) genuine reasons given in the posts. That Red idea also sounds cool but I think that Red should definitely challenge us(if not ON the spot at the birth of dragons, then at some other place in Mt.Silver).

(I voted without thinking and thus I voted for arceus event not taking place at Mt.Silver.So silly of me to vote before thinking lol)

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 11:58 PM

red is most likely to be in mount silver like he was in the previous games, but i say they will keep him in the sam spot, and i dont thnik he will be involved in the areceus event, since this event isnt available for all the fans, and it would cause a fan disapointment if u had to activate this event to be able to battle red.

Edit: I thaught i d give a pic of both mount coronet and silver to show how similar they look exterior wise, so here it is:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2rfq5jl.jpg

mount coronet is the one on the left and mt.silver on the right, they both seem to hold something on the top, and does someone see something on mnt silver covered by a cloud, what could that thing be?

>Feelings< June 19th, 2009 1:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4761059)
I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver.

That sounds unrealistic. Remakes can easily change around map placements.
Well, it could be something like the part we visited before was a different section of Mount Silver, maybe?
And now, another new section will be available to be discovered.


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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4761059)
If the name is truly a mix of "Shinou" and "Jouto" or "Kantou", then like Tohjo Falls, it'll keep a similar name. You're probably looking at something like "Sinntoh Ruins" or something. On the other hand, if it's NOT a mix, nor NoA's translation team doesn't see the coincidence, we'll see a different name.

No, not at all.
The name "Shinto" is not a mix of "Shinou" and "Johto" or "Kantou", though that's a clever one you came up with, I must say...

The name is actually directly derived from one of the most followed Religion in Japan.
The word "Shinto" is translated to be "Way of the Gods".
So, the chances are that they will not change it while they translate it.
But if religion issues come up, then they might be forced to, but I don't want it to be changed...

Wings Don't Cry June 19th, 2009 1:32 AM

I'm more interested in this getting one of the dragons and maybe you can actually get all 3 and you can find the orbs around Johto and Kanto and when you take them there you get the respectful dragon matching the orb like in Platinum when you go back to Spear Pillar for Dialga and Palkia

billi1000 June 19th, 2009 1:44 AM

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>Feelings< Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura
I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver.

That sounds unrealistic. Remakes can easily change around map placements.
Well, it could be something like the part we visited before was a different section of Mount Silver, maybe?
And now, another new section will be available to be discovered.



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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura
If the name is truly a mix of "Shinou" and "Jouto" or "Kantou", then like Tohjo Falls, it'll keep a similar name. You're probably looking at something like "Sinntoh Ruins" or something. On the other hand, if it's NOT a mix, nor NoA's translation team doesn't see the coincidence, we'll see a different name.

No, not at all.
The name "Shinto" is not a mix of "Shinou" and "Johto" or "Kantou", though that's a clever one you came up with, I must say...

The name is actually directly derived from one of the most followed Religion in Japan.
The word "Shinto" is translated to be "Way of the Gods".
So, the chances are that they will not change it while they translate it.
But if religion issues come up, then they might be forced to, but I don't want it to be changed...
At last someone gave the translation of the word Shinto, thanks alot Feelings, so its Way of the Gods huh, that sounds like one capturing name, well i agree that it ll be better of if they dont change it for the english version since it has a religious meaning, or may be they will to something like the ruins of the gods or the deities or something on those lines??

oh and Hiroshi, i remember the indigo plateau being behind mount silver from the east and not on it directly and was located in kanto so it isnt on the johto map, unless nintendo has remaped its possition wich is most likely because i can see the indigo plateau on the new johto map like the old one...
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HeartGoldnSoulSilver June 19th, 2009 1:58 AM

I think it's possible. Red was found somewhere left of the mountain, the pokemon league near mt. Silver, and what's on the top is where the shinto ruins would be.

"I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver." - Hiroshi

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Mitchman June 19th, 2009 3:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HeartGoldnSoulSilver (Post 4762130)
I think it's possible. Red was found somewhere left of the mountain, the pokemon league was past mt Silver (or now part of it), and what's on the top is where the shinto ruins would be.

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You basically hit the nail on the head. And to feelings Yaminokame and Hiroshi perfectly stated why its not related to shintoism and all. Its missing a key character and that makes your statement false. I doubt you even know Japanese unlike the people I mentioned so yeah.

billi1000 June 19th, 2009 5:05 AM

Hiroshi man thanx for pointing that out, i just watched the video of the shinto ruins and the music at the ruins seems similar to those at mount coronet, even the pillars infront of the entrance of the birth room seem similar to those on top of mount coronet, so i may conclude this has a similar mood to mount coronet, which basicly has a very similar event going on at its peak as well, even if other patches of snow in kanto or johto appear, it still would make the most sense that it is located on top of mount Silver.

yaminokame June 19th, 2009 7:35 AM

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Originally Posted by >Feelings< (Post 4762080)
No, not at all.
The name "Shinto" is not a mix of "Shinou" and "Johto" or "Kantou", though that's a clever one you came up with, I must say...

The name is actually directly derived from one of the most followed Religion in Japan.
The word "Shinto" is translated to be "Way of the Gods".
So, the chances are that they will not change it while they translate it.
But if religion issues come up, then they might be forced to, but I don't want it to be changed...

I would just like to point this out there. It is a wrong assumption from the start to assume that a Japanese person would single out the religion Shinto when coming up with a name. Sure, when creating things for the game they may throw in different elements from their culture, but it does not make sense to single out Shintoism. It is an easy practice for us westerners to label ourselves a certain religion and stick with it, but that does not mean that the whole world has to be like us. Japan has a mix, and most people practice what we would consider more than one religion. Along with Shintoism in Japan, there still exists Buddhism, which is also practiced. That does not mean a Japanese person would say "I'm not Buddhist, I'm Shintoist" or vice versa. They mix and match different aspects of both. If a westerner were to ask "Which religion are you?" They are more inclined to tell you "I don't know" or "None" rather than single out one in particular. Going on top of this, though some of the ideas show Japanese culture, which we tend to see as religious (like the shrines) they are fully aware that different nations share these games, and wouldn't dare to single out any religion at one point, or go as far to name something after it. There really isn't enough evidence to support that Shinto(u) 【神道】 solely equals to Shinto 【シント】 :P

joehat June 19th, 2009 8:21 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4761997)
red is most likely to be in mount silver like he was in the previous games, but i say they will keep him in the sam spot, and i dont thnik he will be involved in the areceus event, since this event isnt available for all the fans, and it would cause a fan disapointment if u had to activate this event to be able to battle red.

Edit: I thaught i d give a pic of both mount coronet and silver to show how similar they look exterior wise, so here it is:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2rfq5jl.jpg

mount coronet is the one on the left and mt.silver on the right, they both seem to hold something on the top, and does someone see something on mnt silver covered by a cloud, what could that thing be?


I definitely think the Shinto Ruins will be on top of Mt. Silver. The only evidence against that would be the cloud over the area at the base of Mt. Silver. I could see them covering up a special location..but if the Indigo Plateau is at the base of the mountain, I don't see any reason to cover that up.

I keep forgetting...isn't the Johto Pokemon League (Silver Conference in the anime) held at the base of Mt. Silver? So that wouldn't be the Indigo Plateau covered by clouds..I'm confused.

Åzurε June 19th, 2009 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4762350)
Hiroshi man thanx for pointing that out, i just watched the video of the shinto ruins and the music at the ruins seems similar to those at mount coronet, even the pillars infront of the entrance of the birth room seem similar to those on top of mount coronet, so i may conclude this has a similar mood to mount coronet, which basicly has a very similar event going on at its peak as well, even if other patches of snow in kanto or johto appear, it still would make the most sense that it is located on top of mount Silver.

I didn't know there was a video. Could somebody please tell me where, or link to it or some such?
Edit: Nevermind. just checked out the other topic.
Now, to contribute a bit...

The "Johto League" Is in fact, Indigo Plateau. Johto is unique in that (aside from just being awesome) it doesn't have it's own e4. The Silver Conference is an Anime-only thing.

And, regardless of the reason for naming it "Shinto Ruins", the word is still shinto, so they'll likely change it. The only decent substitute I see right now is actually naming it "Way of the Gods", or Origin Hall, etc., because the Game Freaks seem to like things with origin in them nowadays.

manga_meijin2 June 19th, 2009 8:43 AM

This game is going to be GREAT! I love all the new additions and this one looks to be my favorite as of yet :)

HeartGoldnSoulSilver June 19th, 2009 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4762195)
You basically hit the nail on the head. And to feelings Yaminokame and Hiroshi perfectly stated why its not related to shintoism and all. Its missing a key character and that makes your statement false. I doubt you even know Japanese unlike the people I mentioned so yeah.

Anyways I hope these will be one of the the best in the series.

P.S. I think it's on the top on mt. Silver :X

Mana June 19th, 2009 9:02 AM

I think saying it must be on Mt Silver just because there is no is probably pushing it, I would like to see changing weather in HGSS so perhaps a previously unsnowy area may get a layer ;).

I agree its likely to be a new location (outside of the usual map) like in Fire Red with the islands for some legendarys?

I don't want another place that I can see but not touch XD no events for me :(.

yaminokame June 19th, 2009 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 4762879)
And, regardless of the reason for naming it "Shinto Ruins", the word is still shinto, so they'll likely change it. The only decent substitute I see right now is actually naming it "Way of the Gods", or Origin Hall, etc., because the Game Freaks seem to like things with origin in them nowadays.

That doesn't even make sense... why on earth would they EVER change it from Shinto to "Way of the Gods" though this is just your idea of "what it could be," it would cause a hell-of-a-lot more problems than leaving it as Shinto... Sure, they may change it, but you don't know that yet, and what good is there in making up crap that they obviously aren't going to do... As I said earlier, (though I believe it was a different thread) Pokemon has already suffered enough on the religious front from the very beginning, they would NEVER do something that stupid... you're just going to have to face it, until the games come out in English, people are going to call it by the name it was given already, which is Shinto Ruins. When the English versions come out, everyone may revert over to the other, but for now, it's Shinto Ruins.

Artemis June 19th, 2009 9:19 AM

Shinto Ruins is the name given to it for now and that is why a major percentage of the fans are calling it so. However, if the name is altered in anyway, then we'd just have to wait to find out what that may be as it seems like a solid case at the moment. Though, when it is released in the English version, I wouldn't expect the name to stay as Shinto Ruins neither would I expect it to be changed to continue as "Way of the Gods," because that alone will cause controversy for the franchise. Now, I realized Hiroshi commented on the religion Catholic beings the major religion, it isn't. Christianity would fall under that place, and it is this basic group that might take offence us the use of such a thing, especially if it distributed to a younger age group. So, the name may be altered to something else for the English Version, however the Japanese release may keep the Shinto Ruins the same as we speak of it now, because it hasn't caused any problems thus for for the country. However, we'll see how things play out.

As far as the Pokémon League, it was situated at a location here, but with the new ruins because the Arceus event, I might expect something to be altered. I wouldn't say it is impossible, because it can very well happen for the game. If GameFreak sees a fitting position for the new area and makes it piece together well, then they might go for it. Nothing would major in the change besides a different area to travel to for the league. However, if the Shinto Ruins are located at the pin point top of Mt. Silver, then they can simply enlargen the area and keep the League not to far from its original spot or keep it the same as was before. It really depends on the situation how things play out really, and not to mention an addition to the map [if kanto is kept] is still needed to conclude the rest of most theories given.

billi1000 June 19th, 2009 9:51 AM

Nintendo defenitely knew what they were down when they covered up certain pieces of the map with clouds. This is the only thing that make what is on mount silver unclear . It is either the league or could be something entirely different. Shinto is simply a temporary name in my opponion , the same happened with many DDPt names before these games were released and the name will by all means change once these games hit America.

Kyledove June 19th, 2009 9:58 AM

You have to keep in mind that although all routes are shown on the maps, they don't add mountain routes. If you look at the sinnoh map with mount coronet, it never shows any routes on top of it, whilst in reality it had a whole bunch.

The same can be said for mount silver, just cos theres no routes drawn in the map (or things covered up with clouds) doesn't mean theres not more there...Mount silver is a pretty big place so you can be sure there's more to it than what's hidden (or not) under the clouds...

billi1000 June 19th, 2009 11:58 AM

there are several routes that dont appear on the map in addition to the ones not only on mount silver, but that might be on other obstacles as weel, and not to meansion the indoor routes and the way they may be expanded, we dont really know wat to expect as the clouds also cover up important spots on the map, and how about the yellow meadow behind the tin tower, i dont think that was just put there for no reason, so i expect huge route additions, and much more paths inside and outside mount silver, mnt silver is going to be like coronet from the inside and outside i guess , full of routes were u need rock climb and strength and other HMs to make your way to the top...

RockmanEXE June 19th, 2009 12:07 PM

Sinntoh Ruins would be an appropriate North Amercian name.

Since it's in the Johto region, and Arceus, Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia all originated from Sinnoh.

Artemis June 19th, 2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4763355)
there are several routes that dont appear on the map in addition to the ones not only on mount silver, but that might be on other obstacles as weel, and not to meansion the indoor routes and the way they may be expanded, we dont really know wat to expect as the clouds also cover up important spots on the map, and how about the yellow meadow behind the tin tower, i dont think that was just put there for no reason, so i expect huge route additions, and much more paths inside and outside mount silver, mnt silver is going to be like coronet from the inside and outside i guess , full of routes were u need rock climb and strength and other HMs to make your way to the top...

There will be a lot of new twists and turns within the heavy covered areas. Mt. Silver alone will have many differences compared to the older version of it that we traveled in once. So, it will be something new, however it wouldn't change the fact that it is the same location as it was before. The same thing applied for the Pokémon League situated within the lower situation of Mt. Silver. I do agree though, if the Shinto Ruins are fixed up upon Mt. Silver, then there will be more levels to explore and the HMs will indeed be needed. This is why it is something like Mt. Coronet and connects the relation between the two.

However, the area on the map that is shuddered in orange air. That is only a reflection to represent the trees by Ecruteak City. It isn't nothing more than that as many have speculated and said before. The town is known for its orange look because of the trees that gives off the color, so adding this into the map's art only makes sense to do so.

Åzurε June 19th, 2009 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4762955)
That doesn't even make sense... why on earth would they EVER change it from Shinto to "Way of the Gods" though this is just your idea of "what it could be," it would cause a hell-of-a-lot more problems than leaving it as Shinto... Sure, they may change it, but you don't know that yet, and what good is there in making up crap that they obviously aren't going to do... As I said earlier, (though I believe it was a different thread) Pokemon has already suffered enough on the religious front from the very beginning, they would NEVER do something that stupid... you're just going to have to face it, until the games come out in English, people are going to call it by the name it was given already, which is Shinto Ruins. When the English versions come out, everyone may revert over to the other, but for now, it's Shinto Ruins.

*sigh* Ok. Yamino, I get that it'll stay Shinto Ruins till translation (I don't need to "just have to face it" ;)), but I was saying there's still decent alternatives, and I don't really see any controversy with calling it "Way of the Gods" anyway. Hell, SquEnix, The dudes doing scribblenauts, and others got away with far more of this "religious" content. It far exceeds Pokemon in controversy. I'm also aware the word pronounced Shinto here is a character off. Don't call it crap, Way of the Gods just sounds cool to me.

Simmer down, mkay?

yaminokame June 19th, 2009 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 4763998)
*sigh* Ok. Yamino, I get that it'll stay Shinto Ruins till translation (I don't need to "just have to face it" ;)), but I was saying there's still decent alternatives, and I don't really see any controversy with calling it "Way of the Gods" anyway. Hell, SquEnix, The dudes doing scribblenauts, and others got away with far more of this "religious" content. It far exceeds Pokemon in controversy. I'm also aware the word pronounced Shinto here is a character off. Don't call it crap, Way of the Gods just sounds cool to me.

Simmer down, mkay?

You're the one b*tching about it, and to be honest, it's annoying. If Square Enix thinks that they can take the heat, then good for them. Pokemon went as far as to change the coloring for Jynx just because people thought it was too black. They get crap for a lot of things, and they actually do try to get away from it by trying to appeal to the different wants. Going around and saying stuff like "Who wants to know the translated name for the area? Surely they won't leave it as Shinto Ruins..." is quite annoying. That's nice if you think that, but do you really need to express that opinion? Everyone here is fully aware that the name will change once the English versions come out... If you are going to speculate on the English translation, then do so, but you can't talk for the rest of us, so cut out crap like saying "who cares" because you have no voice for the rest of us.

SDODC13 June 19th, 2009 8:51 PM

Though I'm not sure if this event is very befitting for Hg/Ss.... Maybe once we know more about it aka actual translations, it will make more sense to me. Again I know the unown and all but there were unown in solaceon too right?

viemortevolroc June 19th, 2009 9:05 PM

maybe theres a snow storm in johto when u visit the place,do any of yall think bout weather anomalies? or pracipitation? (yay i used a big word XD lol)
who knows,but its DEFINITELY NOT in mount silver,it may have snow but its not the ruins type cuz if it was theyd hav had it way back in g/s/c and the anime.
then again i could be wrong,maybe itll be like the southern island,navel rock,and that one island whos name i forget that has mew lol
id like that whole ticket thing again but instead of nintendo events,just in-game events or make nintendo events happen more than once

Artemis June 19th, 2009 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by viemortevolroc (Post 4765075)
maybe theres a snow storm in johto when u visit the place,do any of yall think bout weather anomalies? or pracipitation? (yay i used a big word XD lol)
who knows,but its DEFINITELY NOT in mount silver,it may have snow but its not the ruins type cuz if it was theyd hav had it way back in g/s/c and the anime.
then again i could be wrong,maybe itll be like the southern island,navel rock,and that one island whos name i forget that has mew lol
id like that whole ticket thing again but instead of nintendo events,just in-game events or make nintendo events happen more than once

The word is precipitation by the way, with an 'e.' ^_^

However, the location of the ruins can very well be placed ontop of Mt. Silver as it gives a good relation to the tip of Mt. Coronet as so many have speculated on. Not to mention, the ice cap and the area of snow gives this idea away pretty clearly, because on the map for now, it is basically the only area shown with much snow. And, just because the ruins weren't there in the original GSC it wouldn't mean they cannot make any alternations to the remakes, because they can.

The extra memory and added storyline with these events make it fit in place. It'll also give the players extra area to travel in Mt. Silver than what was provided before. The new areas back this theory up as well, because just as they added in these and the Sevii Islands in FRLG they can extend the area of Mt. Silver once this event is activated within the game.

By the way, the games [besides Yellow] never really follow the anime, so even if it wasn't provided there, it can still be brought to the games. Not to forget, in the anime they may make a return to Kanto and these changes can be applied afterwards as well, just as it was done in the Battle Frontier arc of Kanto.

billi1000 June 19th, 2009 10:21 PM

I really don't think a weather condition will change the tiles on any map in the game as mostly many weather conditions are limited to a certain area like in DPPt, the town which had the marsh ( I no I'm bad at remembering) u can see puddles on the ground due to the raining so if there's snow on the ruins , it ll definitely be snowing full time there , and for the Shintoism I edited the first post giving an explanation that Hiroshi Sotomura pointed out why the name of the ruins is not derived from Shintoism to avoid relating the name to religion.

>Feelings< June 20th, 2009 4:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4762313)
Last I checked, what was America's most followed religion? Catholicism? Given that so many names are changed by Nintendo of America, or realistically, "Americanised", do you honestly think if this had any relation to religion, that they wouldn't change the name?

I know that. That's why I said that it is most likely that it will be renamed if it actually turns out to have any relation to the religion itself. All I said was that, even if they'd surely remove it then, I'd still want the name to remain the same as my opinion. Read before you post.


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Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4762742)
I would just like to point this out there. It is a wrong assumption from the start to assume that a Japanese person would single out the religion Shinto when coming up with a name.There really isn't enough evidence to support that Shinto(u) 【神道】 solely equals to Shinto 【シント】 :P

First of all, you can't stop anyone from assuming anything. We're not saying we're sure about the matter.
Second, yes, I saw that potential mistake, but I only said that the name "Shinto" was taken, not a reference to the religion itself.


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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4764905)
All these posts are still under the broken assumption that "Shintoism" is involved. I have to say, this is one silly direction the fanbase is taking; such a shame.

I don't remember anyone directly saying that Shintoism is "involved".
Well, for my part what I meant is only the name was taken from the religion - to mean the words "Way of the Gods", not that it is emphasizing on the religion itself.

billi1000 June 20th, 2009 7:21 AM

I dont think a game can be used to synthesize on a religion because, first, that religious group will open a war with the producer of the game, second, i dont think any previous pokemon game had anything that related to religion, so why to do it now, besides, there are many names you can come up with that can be close to religious names u wat i think, i think that Shinto is like a combination name for Johto and Sinnoh like Hiroshi stated earlier because it makes perfect sense when you look at the similarities between the Shinto ruins which are situated in Johto, and the Sinnoh story background, we can also note the relations between mnt coronet and mnt Silver, so this name shouldnt cause any fan reaction concerning its relation to religion (because it ISNT), and i say it again, i edited the first post with the explanation given by Hiroshi Sotomura whay the name of the ruins is not related to Shitoism to avoid religion clashing here.

Jweeson June 20th, 2009 7:26 AM

Rumor has it...
 
I did hear a rumor that in Soul Silver you would be able to catch Groudon, and in Heart Gold you would be able to catch Kyogre. Maybe it's a way to get to them?

billi1000 June 20th, 2009 7:29 AM

no it most probably isnt since that doesnt concern an event, it seems they will be available at a certain point of the game, probably sometime after obtaining the national dex, so dont worry about that, u can get them with out obtaining the event arceus.

yaminokame June 20th, 2009 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by >Feelings< (Post 4765849)
I know that. That's why I said that it is most likely that it will be renamed if it actually turns out to have any relation to the religion itself. All I said was that, even if they'd surely remove it then, I'd still want the name to remain the same as my opinion. Read before you post.




First of all, you can't stop anyone from assuming anything. We're not saying we're sure about the matter.
Second, yes, I saw that potential mistake, but I only said that the name "Shinto" was taken, not a reference to the religion itself.




I don't remember anyone directly saying that Shintoism is "involved".
Well, for my part what I meant is only the name was taken from the religion - to mean the words "Way of the Gods", not that it is emphasizing on the religion itself.

I was not talking directly to you. I was stating something in general and happened to quote what you had said. Where did I say stop assuming things? I stated that that particular assumption was wrong... of course people are going to make wrong assumptions, that doesn't mean that they can't change them... Many people all over (including different forums) have said that Shintoism is directly involved (going as far to say it is the ONLY relation to the name)and I was talking to everyone at the same time. None of that was intended to be directed solely at you, I'm sorry that it sounded that way. :(

Artemis June 20th, 2009 9:59 AM

Okay, I honestly think everyone is starting to think too hard on this situation. GameFreak wouldn't be able to withstand an outbreak from the fans concerning religious beliefs nor religious location. So, as much as it may mean something, it may not directly refer to it as such. So, some have speculated on the name and some have speculated on the meaning. However, as said, it is a little sad to see everyone narrow down such thoughts and go directly to the thought of religion rather than the name itself and not what it particularly means. If the ruins are situated upon the top of Mt. Silver, then that leads a connection to Sinnoh's Mt. Coronet giving the two locations a relation with Arceus. So, seeing as this is Johto and there is Sinnoh references, then simply put the two together and you reach the point of Shinto [Sinnoh and Johto placed together]. GameFreak didn't necessarily have to bring the name into to refer to the religion Shintoism, but just share the connection of the two regions. So, before making assumptions, refer to the different outcomes and facts to it before leading to only one thought and then place what you think. However, thinking straight to a religion wouldn't be the only meaning of it as there are other possibilities too [which I have stated here].

Åzurε June 20th, 2009 10:11 AM

-_- IMO, this is old news, and I'm surprised you're still talking about it. Surely, with information concerning a new area, involving Arceus of all things, we can find something to discuss that's not the pronunciation of the name. One comment, and I feel like I'm on the verge of a flame war. No one getting on my back for "you posted it in the 1st place", etc., please. I get it. Thank you. We're all rational people. though I still don't see the problem with calling it Shinto...

I know I'll sound a bit like I'm flipping out, But for those of you who read it that way, I'm not. Just a bit disappointed that one comment made his happen, and that one commenter was me.
Please to be getting on with topic?

billi1000 June 20th, 2009 11:26 AM

well if the people here want to prove further why its not related to shintoism, then let them continue. Further proof will be positive and will stop this idea of relating the name to religion, and its ok that one comment led to all this, this isnt an argument, these are just different oppinions and then we finally came to a conclusion which i posted in the 1st post and i hope it makes everything clear, and to continue with the topic i was wondering how the 2 ruins in the game are connected (not concerning there position but their inclusions, the Shinto Ruins and the Ruins of Alph, there has to be a connection if you had to bring Arceus to Ruins of Alph before going to Shinto Ruins, all i can spot is that both contain unown as they swarm Arceus when you chose your dragon. so anyone got anythin?

Artemis June 20th, 2009 11:34 AM

The connection between the Ruins of Alph and the Shinto Ruins is a good question. I would believe this is something such as comparing the Solaceon Ruins from Sinnoh to them as well. Like said, they both have the inclusion of Unowns, which have been noted to live in their own dimension such as Dialga, Palkia, Giratine, and Arceus themselves. So, with the relation to time and space, this could lead the strongest connection to the two ruins by itself. However, I'm sure the new ruins were added in just to give the players an extra journey to feat. I mean, activating the event by the Ruins of Alph can easily be similar to activating the three locations of the Regiis in RSE. It is basically a chained link that opens one door, but leads to the next. So, together the Ruins of Alph basically opens the door to the top of Mt. Silver, which shares the same connection to Arceus and the top of Mt. Coronet, and then it opens the Shinto Ruins for the players to enter. It is a good addition nevertheless and just gives more story to the entire line of it. Not to mention, including Cynthia and bringing birth to the dragon of your choice just adds to the originality of the beginning story with Arceus and the three legends back from DPPt.

Rich Boy Rob June 20th, 2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4766221)
I dont think a game can be used to synthesize on a religion because, first, that religious group will open a war with the producer of the game, second, i dont think any previous pokemon game had anything that related to religion, so why to do it now, besides, there are many names you can come up with that can be close to religious names u wat i think, i think that Shinto is like a combination name for Johto and Sinnoh like Hiroshi stated earlier because it makes perfect sense when you look at the similarities between the Shinto ruins which are situated in Johto, and the Sinnoh story background, we can also note the relations between mnt coronet and mnt Silver, so this name shouldnt cause any fan reaction concerning its relation to religion (because it ISNT), and i say it again, i edited the first post with the explanation given by Hiroshi Sotomura whay the name of the ruins is not related to Shitoism to avoid religion clashing here.

There was that giant, yet pointless, church in Hearthome city ;)

But anyway I swear on serebii it said that when you take Arceus to the Ruins of Alph you just get "taken" to the Shinto Ruins, so I'd doubt if there was anything other than that Temple there. Oh yeah and probably is high up Mt. Silver.

Circuit June 20th, 2009 1:28 PM

I think, that the ruins will be on top of Mt. Silver, reason being that, on the map, there isn't a drop of white anywhere else. There could well be an Ice Rock there, but it will probably house the magnetic field to evolve Nosepass and Magneton. However I'd like to know a bit more about the ruins of Alf and Shinto, and what is Shintoism?

TheAliveTrain June 20th, 2009 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759178)
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/0c/JohtoII.png
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/thumb/6/64/JohtoMap.png/800px-JohtoMap.png
Mount Silver always had snow. We just never saw. I think finally we will. It makes the most sense now then anywhere near the ruins.

Plus, on G/S/C we never had storyline on Mt. Silver. There we just had an optional Boss (Yes, in GSC you go there if you want).
This is a good event to be placed there, I think.

SDODC13 June 20th, 2009 2:15 PM

You know I never realised and it was puzzling me till now that the league in the new pick looks like its part way up Mt. Silver unlike in the ld pick its to the side.

billi1000 June 20th, 2009 2:17 PM

We ll be seeing alot more on mount silver, not on the Shinto Ruins, i think many inner routes have been added, and it may look kinda like mount coronet from the inside, like u need many HMs like rock climb and strength ... to get the very top were u reach your target, it gonna be a hell of a journey in that mountain, and i most certainly think that it ll contain a magnetic field to evolve magneton and nosepass, but for the ice rock i m not sure...

Oяiginal August 12th, 2009 7:00 AM

I remember reading somewhere it was in Ruins of Alph

kingofjokers August 12th, 2009 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4759153)
By hasn't anyone considered the fact that the Shinto ruins might be located somewhere outside the johto and kanto regions, maybe the guy from the ruins of alph gives u a ticket of some sort to go by ship to this area , but if it were in johto, it must be in mount silver since it's the only area were there is snow. If there is a patch with snow in kanto due to some changes in the kanto map then it will be another thing entirely...

probably or they just expanded the originals ruins or you take the train we will just have to wait

zirico August 12th, 2009 7:39 AM

No the Ruins of Alph are different place, however they do apear to have something to do with it, because Gold can be seen with arceus near the Ruins.

yaminokame August 12th, 2009 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zirico (Post 4975417)
No the Ruins of Alph are different place, however they do apear to have something to do with it, because Gold can be seen with arceus near the Ruins.

You have to take Arceus to the Ruins of Alph to unlock the pathway to the Shinto Ruins (but the location of that is still at speculation :P)

Alucus_Of_Borg August 12th, 2009 1:24 PM

I will have to say that its most likely atop mount silver, but as far as any other stuff up there i highly doubt it, personally i think that it will be like the hall of origin in diamond pearl and platinum

lx_theo August 12th, 2009 1:51 PM

Well it has to be in a snowy place, which High up on Mt Silver could easily be.

Teapot Turret August 12th, 2009 2:20 PM

You don't need it at the top of the team. You just need it out as a partner Pokemon.

Llennoccm8 August 12th, 2009 4:34 PM

this kind of thing might be used in future games.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ August 13th, 2009 6:41 AM

Maybe, there will be a deserted island that has the shinto ruins there



:t354:TG

Ellie August 13th, 2009 5:33 PM

Mt. Silver seems like a possibility. I wonder, though, if they'd place them before or after Red's location? (assuming he returns). There's still other places they could go though. If the Sevii Islands are brought back, they could easily go near the Tanoby Ruins, or they could go near the Ruins of Alph.

HeartGold95 August 13th, 2009 7:11 PM

Anaybody thinking around ice path or by mt.moon?

Sarcastic Prince August 14th, 2009 5:38 AM

So, Arceus creates life... awesome! For that Lv. 1 Legendary, I'm going to use Rare Candies and Cheat it to Lv. 100.


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